that culminate does not end with that getting marino to give up julian assange. also they have plans to let chevron start drilling for oil in ecuador's most important national park which is a travesty beyond all imagination but let's stick to judea and the lower in the united states. after the patcher tact and 10221021 the amendments to it citizens barely have rights anymore everything is at the whim of the commander in chief and the commander in chief is anything is allowed now there is no law there is no recourse to the law something i've written about in lots of my songs over the years because it's when the law goes. that we find ourselves pitched into.

wars and this team at the moment bolton abramson trump himself and pence and all the rest of them are desperately trying to pitch the world the planet that we live on into this war sorry i'm drifting of julian who we should all be focusing on because he is who the whole world should be focusing on him now because if we let the u.k. get away with allowing him to be extradited to the united states and we allow the united states government at their whim to torture him and to detain him possibly for the rest of his life we will have allowed them several steps further down the road to absolute tyranny and probably the destruction of the planet that's my view it's hugely important the british people need to stop their government from

allowing been let in marina who would say that there is nothing bribe about bribery here he would say is not the cia base it meant to be the i.m.f. in fact he had an exclusive in the guardian once wiki leaks media which claimed that actually julian is andras some kind of spy against marino in the embassy mary no the president of ecuador now. would say anything to make 10 shillings he this is a man of absolutely no substance and no moral center and no compass he is only interested in that and the clearly lies constantly and consistently there is a me told parliament here to welcome isn't just capture and. apparently 70 m.p.'s in parliament of signed a letter saying this is about sex allegations in sweden looked war crimes that's why he's in belmarsh prison in south east london he seems really. a sharp will

trump won't sing well that's absolute nonsense as we know those charges have all been dropped long ago there are no charges standing against him except some spurious very minor. barn door bail charge and u.k. lol which is completely prepared to face under normal circumstances of jurisprudence in the u.k. the only reason he didn't was because he was frightened that as lackeys of the american empire the u.k. establishment would have him extradited to the usa which is what it looks as if they're trying to do to resume comes from a long line of lackeys a long long line cameron before blair before him we we've

all seen what's happened. since the 2nd world war with the moving away from the welfare state that the attlee government put in place of to the 2nd world war 2 words more and more and more dependence upon the united states with nuclear submarine bases and scotland and so on and so on and so forth so we know that we are under the thumb while we the british people need to get out from under the thumb and say no this is wrong this is illegal this is a journalist and anybody who says no is no arjun yes he is all you need to be to be a journalist is somebody who has access to a press they used to be printing presses back in the day when the laws were written now it's access to the internet or anything where you give information to your fellow citizens of the world and information doesn't matter what it is but the most

important information that we julian the sun she's fellow citizens of the globe nate is information about this secret malfeasance and wrongdoing of all governments which. legend and julian a song which along with chelsea manning and edward snowden and the other whistle blows down the years of the heroes who help us to gain some of the knowledge that the powers that be would keep secret if they could this is in countries that call themselves democracy is where the government is supposed to be for the people not for the corporations not for donald trump not for the abrams not for mike pence not for pompeo not for the rest of those rabbit down

a moles who are in charge of everything but food we the people just to be clear obviously so we can leak doesn't sue was obviously that there were never any charges in sweden just allegations but they you call him a journalist why do you think so many journalists are attacking julian a surrogate is it a coincidence that those journalists often like the european union in the jump administration also say support the overthrow of the venezuelan government there's a intersection why journalists attacking shootin and saying he's not a journalist why does so many journalists by the narrative if that in venezuela which you just mentioned for instance that my doro is a vicious dictator and the people are big and blah and by the story to keep their jobs that's why because if they express opinions that go against the narrative of the powers that be a. word filters down in one way or another they suddenly find that they're not

getting the plum job they're not getting the promotion they're not getting that. your job is on the line if you stand up to them i'm guessing obviously i don't know some of them may just be so dumb that they can't figure out the truth. he collects information from sources which he protects he sometimes helps those sources to collect information or knowledge and then he publishes the information that gets if he believes it to be real and true and in the public interest for him to publish it and he's not a journalist what is he then what is june in the sun should he's not i'm a you're a journalist all of us this is journalism we are trying to find out the truth about

things and. no explain it to the public but to make it a vailable to the public school freedom of information and it is absolutely central to the working of any healthy form of government including democracies and is what they're trying to prevent because they don't want the secrets to come out they want to keep everything secret they go want us to know about their methods of torture or their incarceration of in some people all that's why they're going off to june in a son because he is a thorn in their side also what they're trying to do trump and the rest of them and to raise them a is they're trying to frighten would be truly in a son jeez who may provide this incredibly important service for the rest of us in society in the future that trying to scare them off so they won't do it that trying

to make an example of shooting in a sausage rather than doing what the us just done on told yesterday and give him awards for telling the truth for blowing the whistle julian julian as the released unconventional regime change policy documents from the united states obvious the secret plans to destroy syria little in the more famous us will crams in iraq a connection between all of these documents the wiki leaks distributed and how come you realize all of this when say as regards venezuela policy richard branson the live aid concert do support us in the you policy why do you know and people like branson dude bronson's not enter branson is not interested in the reality branson is interested in candyfloss and branson. he doesn't care about politics

in my view he couldn't care less he's interested in making a splash for branson anybody who knows him will tell you that. actually he brought coast sit to be fair to him he doesn't hide the fact that he's a fluffy opportunist who really has no interest in anything real except his own eco but you are all you i was in touch with people in venezuela all the way through february who were with their reporting out of venezuela friends of mine and i was asking pertinent questions about what was actually going on and so if anybody did any research and didn't just listen to the narrative that was being repeated over and over again maduro is a dictator the people are starving the us is trying to help them with humanitarian aid. we have to pull up and then suddenly out of the woodwork after

a phone call. from who pence from pence wedo pops out of the woodwork and says hello i'm the new president mike pence says. hold on a minute wouldn't the people of venezuela say so shouldn't they have a some parts in this and by the way. maduro has not written rough showed of the constitution of the of venezuela the constitution of venezuela. is extremely important to madeira and to most of the people in venezuela it's not important to why dope because he plays fast and loose with it he lies about it a changes 8 takes it out of context roger waters i'll stop you there more from roger waters as well as the un special rubble term torture resident of liberated.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race in his own spearing dramatic development only i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to see. him tom. welcome back i'm still here with actress of pink floyd frontman roger waters but the sun does the front runner arguably of the d.n.c. to challenge trump in 2020 he complained about the door and said nothing about julian assange at all as far as i can tell politicians fearful of taking the kind of political positions you have of course they're fearful i actually use

twitter very little but after the venezuelan comments from its own sway he made sweeping statements about my door and he was repeating the narrative. and it doesn't matter what i tweet said he kind of discredited sim self and i'm really sorry to see it because in terms of domestic policy and bernie sanders says done a great deal of good in the united states to push the argument to more progressive position so i kind of feel free for bernie's son to sue i admire in some ways but of course he's scared. that he's going to make a mistake and that will be the end of his till to 2020 election you know you only have to see the way. some of you. progressive sin congress or even people who've been there for

a few years get attacked for making any kind of financial war statement well actually can only as healthy some of the new women you know about poverty as you go would a o c n a o c is now talking about palestine and is going out about julian isn't just being called an a d c my german cool been who kind of supported us on it didn't want him to be extradited doesn't want to be extradited to the us has been called in and he's in music racist how do you see palestine playing in on these issues we could have a long conversation about how smearing may and cobain and asuncion anybody else who criticizes the israeli government as anti's semites is absurd clearly and is such a blatant and cheap. tactic and we know why they do it we know why the ministry of strategic affairs in tel aviv. does it they do it

because they have no aunts. to the accusations of human rights violations and war crimes and so on and so forth so it's just a smokescreen to divert attention from the fact that our criticisms those of us who criticize the israeli government's policies in the occupied territories and in israel itself and support b.d.s. maybe it's a smokescreen to divert attention from the fact that we're right and they're wrong i was sickened by the way that was happening in the u.k. at the labor party conference and the attempted smearing of jeremy cole been coping he's a man of great principle he also has humanity he cares about people he empathizes with others cool cool. has said that and diana but the shot of exactly

is that assigns must not be extra dieted i just quickly actually i better ask you about how juliet is looming aged issues like palestine and yemen and britain now sending record levels of weapons to israel somebody like julian assange which willy nilly will be a progressive think fouts why he chose to do the job he chose to do that's why he's an activist that's why we mention him in the same breath as john pilcher because he cares about other people. he has some of the same qualities that jeremy kolb in as i'm going to ask you what you would say to the british prime minister and what you think about what will happen to julian here in london and whether indeed as some people say he might be killed but i was say to the british prime minister. i suspect that i mean i could say and i think 1st i'd say

resign but after that open for that i said before you resign think carefully about handing julian assange of a to the americans except i think that would be a waste of my breath i think i need to speak directly to the british people i cannot use to raise a mag as a conduit to them caray to resumes beyond redemption and beyond help of any kind certainly for me in my view. tory she's a dyed in the wool posts that tory i have no respect for to she's also provided oh presided over the greatest disaster is probably in the history of those set to dials and i'm talking about bricks it obviously would you say the subject the stakes here with that he might be killed or would you say that

what we should learn from this whole episode is the importance of information and facts they are killing as son do you see him when he came out of the embassy he's been living he hasn't seen hardly seeing daylight for 6 years having committed no crime just because donald trump the commander in chief once seemed dead he may very well end up dead that is why the british people he called them as he was taken by those special broncho for. says into that van and driven away he called upon the people of great britain to resist i heard him i watched on the t.v. they resist them and they should there should be a general strike in england to prevent them being extradited there should be millions in the street like there were before the invasion of iraq though the

powers that be probably wouldn't take any notice they didn't of that so as sarge we were store to everything that we can to protect him roger waters thank you well ahead of the forcible removal of julian assange by british authorities professor in the old melt the un special rapporteur on torture was due to visit the wiki leaks founder in order to assess whether his conditions amounted to cruel inhuman or degrading treatment he joins me now via skype from geneva neal thanks so much for coming on so the u.k. prime minister trey's i'm a minority government leader said in parliament we should welcome the arrest of julian a son zhu a political refugee identity card and obviously she knew of the u.s. extradition request should we welcome it. and expressed extreme plans to expel an. ready embassy. because i would be arrested and possibly that actually it's united states so i don't think that is

a good development and should be extremely concerned about it you wanted to see him when he was inside the ecuadorian embassy just like your colleague the special rapporteur on previously just tell me why you weren't able to see him and now whether you're going to perhaps visit him in belmarsh prison in south east london known to some as the kind of guantanamo of britain. well the 1st time mostly visit to the embassy and to assign in the embassy and areas for a look or a sort of kindness of april now that's what we're a long way from now and was surprised and shocked to see the arrest and before we could actually visit him there yes i heard another process of making an official request of the british authorities to be able to visit him in his career as a detention but so far you can't say there's been any obstruction of un special rapporteur to witness the conditions in which an innocent has been kept in what i

cannot do it was to make your case and i certainly many requests and i have not been able to visit him at his place of detention and the concerns the appeal that i have a lot and the 5th of april to suspend any and visits to the steps of expelling him have not been respected and you intend on applying that to come in sam out of bell much president. well saluki yes because his doctor or a medical doctor examined him in the ecuadorian embassy said the humanity in the humanity of his treatment and the flagrant denial of his universal rights by a quid or the u.k. are unconscionable. well you know perfectly obvious the name of her consort is not about past conditions. but it is to fall it's 1st of all his current medical conditions and where there is apparently a traditional liberal is proportional to support ready that you lack of his clinical condition and secondly the risks you expose true to the united states are

different for a country because we now have revelations about what was going on when jeremy corbin's now breakfast secretary shadow brecht secretary once the head of the crown prosecution service we have messages showing that they apparently attempted to persuade swedish authorities not to drop sexual assault allegations saying don't you get cold feet. you know certainly it is obviously difficult to make a definite statement on the whole of the precise connection between areas you know the scenes there seems to be some material there and some questions that are literally asked what we certainly cannot who are is that this is an extremely cold case and therefore also ready there is a great risk that if you market for your trial that there may be a public prejudice against you of course the papers are full of allegations here that this was about cleanliness in the embassy and the former media partner wiki leaks the guardian saying that lenin merino said that sondra spying from the

embassy as a political refugee with a refugee card under the $151.00 convention can can an embassy just chuck someone out after previously giving them asylum. while others assign maliciously zurab is based on the risk of persecution. also the. current quarter have to say that there is an absolute right to be protected against any risk of truth or ready all treatment so if due to the senator's expulsion or transfer could. treatment there is absolutely no possibility for state under all circumstances even a national security concerns are not sufficient to allow to deny expelling a solution absolute duty to offer more specific law and when you bring up the torture context i am building on that work of your predecessor mendez who said the

chelsea manning was treated inhumanely and cruelly by the us military when she was in detention of course he's now in solitary again for refusing to give information to a grand jury about joining us. well obviously we're not you know the united states has not proven to be known so if they've got a provision of quarter in the past 2 decades since that whole war on terror and the cia. policy on torture but an awful detention practices that is indefinite solitary confinement and other ready types of extremely harsh detention conditions do not include planes of international ready law so that certainly it would raise my concerns when we were dealing with the case that is clearly politically very very real but but why do you think with all that context the prime minister and m.p.'s and journalists of a same britain are all saying this is all about justice being served not the risk of just as not being served. well that's

a question you would have to consider prime minister i cannot speak for her it certainly raises my go on to see the government insists very much on street justice if you serve and you've got to someone judge will for a case that hasn't been suspended as it's known but there's not much just as being served with regard to you know torture has happened in unitas those you know prosecutions happen to all who you know there has been a systematic policy of quarter of 4 to the prime minister that so far answered our cause to come on the show and we understand obviously the u.s. must have given some kind of confirmation that the death penalty could not be used in in many case again through he has just part of britain's extradition with the united states is your understanding of the united states could change the charges in the united states if he was extradited to the u.s. . will obviously what is going to happen if that were to happen and if

then charges would help wolf can actually go to. be extremely constrained and usually i think he'd be united as they would give a political assurance that he would not. poles i don't expect him to actually respect. but that's not a deal lee concerned but if someone gets the t.v. out of his liberty for the rest of his life were for really years under very harsh conditions for basically having done with it mystical if journalists do around her . that certainly. would be extremely alarming and undermining for ready freedom of press around the world because he was clearly because if you're against his his own human rights. both of you enjoy that episode of going underground will continue showing your favorite episodes from this season to a back for a brand new season on wednesday the 11th of september until they keep it out via social media and don't forget our you tube channel these.

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