claim to put value value creation and that worked well for a while but now that some countries a whole new industry in the time it takes the e.u. to come up with a single policy decision is that create is still satisfying for the members to discuss that i'm now joined by. the president of the european economic and social committee mr year it's good to talk to you thank you very much for. you often talk about the idea of a reunion for europe while also praising the enormous success of the european project that's been so successful why does it have to be reborn. so let me see the tools to. be an enormous successful as many. historical period of time part of the been totally lost. and they need to a new start so.

that the end of the middle age. you know. many i used to say that the middle age was age it was exactly the opposite it was a. period . and there was a change of the east. changed. today with the u.k. . but it's interesting let me focus on this idea. because many historians. believe that. it was.

more. for. what i hear you saying is that. there was a need that. you are essentially driven by the. question is that. the 1st issue that. he was the need to come back to come back. to the. bank in the public space of. a positive.

change and this. to the technological. exactly what and where i want to take this conversation forward because many critics of the e.u. have absolutely no issue with europe's past they recognize the enormous success of the european union. conciliation and peace are its greatest achievements most of the people agree with that they take issue with the ability of the e.u. as a system as a mechanism to move forward to be as efficient as it has to be in present times can you really do the reunion without changing the way the decisions on made. be done. and exactly what happens. in these middle age with the amount of innovation. to element of innovation because the good the good in them and creation of. plastic

knology should have been closed only the clothes region the region of. the driving force of the society that i believe this time was a medicine and the 2nd. for the new world order mystery or you know that it happened many times in history that something that once was a blessing suddenly becomes a curse everybody agrees that it's certain point of time the consensus model that the e.u. has served it well but now it takes china less time to set up a whole industry for the european union to come up with a coherent policy don't you think that this mechanism of making decisions by consensus in this day and age when everything changes by the minute is a bit outdated to say the least. that is a bit about the you know but if you compete with china if you if it takes you years just to come up with a policy. that democracy is

a very critical system. the least of the ones that allow. to find. killing millions of people that has been the lesson that you know. because there's been a very difficult. decisions they don't have to be a drag. people. from the mental freedom to decide but. to decide to do. what has been promised by the. simple and they know just the very beginning. crucial democratic debate and they achieve nothing because they were. even to. the european union especially when it comes to technology the regulation of

innovation i are saying the europeans have essentially a choice between either having a democracy or have. a logical society. i think that this is a very good question and this is the main challenge of today because the main. 2 days. and is challenging to see. is the. reduction in the medium term of the workforce and the 2nd is what is called the human income. so there could be a summer following that perhaps tomorrow some will be delegated if. we became the executor and then it is much more in the west that we have to find a new way to monday in the human in command of these technologies in. your presidency specified 3 priorities sustainable development peace and culture and all

of them strike me as something that europe does better than others it's good at sustainable development better than many other parts of the world it's good that culture is the peace if you want to if there. is a moving forward why do you focus on things that you. focus on something that its troubles. but i think that the idea to look to the. is 1st of all i don't see that today europe is the one that is. better because for example china has not been a forefront of these ideas sustainability they were not to the situation of climate in beijing just to mention one but today we understood it is the future and they have been investing a lot in this so europe has been the inventor of this concept of being the main event. that has been approved by the. banning goes to the plastic single use the can create them. they

created enormous business in producing these but other country have understood that these called cities working can be a new wealth. but there's agenda of change. for finance for enterprise for me. how's that going to drive it because one of the reasons why china is such a leader in all those areas that you mention is because it has streamlined decision making europe again cannot compete with. i keep going to the same question can you deliver the win win without changing the way the decisions are made in the european union and the way they're implemented i think that. we can. foster. some longer but the mechanism and

when we've seen that we can bypass in europe. because also someone a stall to the center moment it was a knife in the. market in china would it change the system of china and finally we discover the market economy that is winning the world is another called very efficient as well in raising standards for its people lifting millions out of poverty. in europe will never work and also in some part of the of the west europe when there were because of. the prize the individual to look to the collectivity in their work in chinese working from 1000 is a concept that seems the foundation of china but. is there any middle ground i mean we are talking not a major infringements on human rights or putting people into concentration. camps we simply talking about streamlining policy on technical issues.

to compete with china which is not going to sit around and. look for example to the agreement to worldwide today you are. of trade agreement to right the united states . members they negotiate to. be to delegate to negotiate to today you are. in front of. the want to negotiate with the european union and the single county example the 2nd example europe has been. a unique case in the story. and the. security to buy many and even the chinese want so much to enter not. just.

example of enormous success. because just a few days ago your own country signed a memorandum of understanding with china an official. initiative at the time. even agreed formally on the. country. clearly. someone can criticize this but you know. very difficult. that does not being counseled between a european. national. playing is no different from the case of. the the big. every member of. china is

a by law to make. because there is definitely concern within the e.u. circles that. is striking out on its own here because it's. not the 1st country to sign that agreement but it's the largest one of the most important within the e.u. community. i seeing that this is a challenge. i seem to not all of the i think government that is open to this issue can remember the open of these. laws marco polo was. and was a. rod not all the italians and the european going to china models so there was this delegation if i didn't it was china camming to europe and to visit in rome and we have also to remember there was a lot of debate the need at the time of romano prodi but i mean that can not be accused to be an anti utopian as you would know for sure for the role that the u.s.

played and continued to play when there was in the past does is to open an agreement before opening the port of does he do cheney's i seem to test to be managed and understood you know european framework and sound. have to be criticised for. forward my government has done because i'm not so being been so tossed into a debate with the parliament that is not open held a document such a debate and a public debate but in any case in the agreement the duty felt too deep to deal frame or because of. the relation with china is very open these betty is very clear so is an ongoing debate i think that we have to find a way to cooperate with china well let me stop you right here we have to take a break now but we'll be back in just a few moments. to

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welcome back to worlds apart with the president of the european economic and social committee mr your i heard you say those who oppose the european project often do that without offering anything concrete and yet if we look at the euro skeptics in your own country italy they seem to be very raza loued about what they want and what they don't want they put. the supremacy on the national legislation they want to strengthen the tally in culture the italian national identity they don't want more immigration or more isn't that concrete enough i

would look to do is. eat to live without being part of the european union and that passed through the measure prize this economic and financial one of the last 30 years they were on the walls when there was a big financial speculation looked like in 92 against their lead us and they gave pounds and it's a list of why exactly thanks to you if there was not you are this time that we doubt belonging to a perspective to go you know that i should know more unification of more but in the glacial demand that 30 italy will be here less than that that's also a matter of debate because there are some who would tell you the. italian gains of membership have been much smaller than among other member states because if i'm not mistaken the average g.d.p. growth in italy since 2001 was only a quarter of one percent compared to the 1.7 e.u. average can you really blame the italians for trying to you know look at the alternatives for example cooperating with china. i think that when you speak about

it you have also to make from the mental distinction the. mental argument for part of the relation on talking about the current government who has the support of the monday from the population i mean. it depends how you word the theo and the demand of people. as well. as of course diligence because they were voted in the other were the opposition or as many european because that is that is a big transition as i was telling there is a problem of the middle class of. so that he is. blaming it on globalization isn't that also part of the problem isn't the e.u. the wage structure the way it's guided their way defines its priorities isn't that also part of the conversation. for the far right parties across europe.

to take. people off neo liberal economic perspective have been in power for quite some time everyone has a. very challenging time and of course there is a demand in our society due to the be good the normal that we have leaving and the fact that the past just. because financial crisis yes we. are going much more coming back on the sort of the 6 and the. but we came out to weed out the measure of these 2 options in any case one issue when i am saying that the many of them only say no and they you. know the magic example. they can buy all the popular the example the banks that they say no for 3 they do not succeed. and you see that from one e r.

or the. police and the. right wing parties are still despite. in power in italy in hungary in austria in poland there. in france it is expected that there are going to consolidate their presence in the. elections. what is it in the policies of the. driving the support. i am asking you to be critical. because you are ultimately in charge of. analyzing those trends and you have to take a. not only people also people you associate yourself with.

the. keep keeping. the media. simply. for. the speeches they see that. is not working is not even supported. by the voters and this is mainly important describing that they have. to make. the. most of the raising so much. busy as not being to work out. because

it. has been in the deepest cries for you because most of the class is the important part of europe's own decision joint forces of the united states. have. been decision taken. together some. consequences will be remembered is that fair when you are not partaking of your partaking in the decision but yet you all have to suffer the consequences is it fair. for the. opening such of this year. and the clear strategy to build up. any mandate from the international law.

it is not to be the next time international law can be a little more. to control and to prevent this. is not been the case in the last 25 with many of the. great many to be very resigned to international conflicts. saying that we need. to invest very clearly together. as a key to prevent the peace and also to. measure. the. ready national. that are making the. time is running out i still want to ask a question about value because the european union has long position. that.

based on to about a decade ago many central asian countries for example kazakhstan uzbekistan even russia to some extent wanted to deepen their cooperation economic cooperation with the european union but they were told that you know we care a lot about values you have to build your democracies 1st. the economic cooperation will depend they all turn to china helping china rise helping themselves certainly do you think it was a smart decision putting value of economic opportunities because china clearly have seized on those economic opportunities some some would say at the expense of the european union. do you want. to leave that is exactly what. you were was accused. conditionality to da that because you can i mean.

to say there is no country being cut off the investment of the. first european union members they. are saying that has not been a mistake because they need more money with conditionality they look china as an opportunity but today. not. that they want to be the new hat of corp or europe and they your puter will be fair enough to understand that these new challenge to build up a new joint i seem to some mistake it to be very honest has been done in a certain point not only for the economic issue and values but for the international geopolitics that has come back a very strong international space between europe and russia. and europe and turkey . in europe and the united states. in this case is much more the responsibility of

united states i think if i can say they'd yacking leaders you would decide. that europe is becoming the worst enemy if united states senator kerry ask you one more question about values because it's very interesting to me you've been very supportive of president call build a new european. would say that you have to kind of your own house in order before embarking on such grandiose plans when it comes to values what do you make off. wasn't in. keeping with. some discontent in the middle class from my point of view big mistake of managing a major decision about taxation on them specifically asking about. you

when you have people that are breaking out destroying everything on the other hand also have the use of explosive grenades and. mains and kills people we are not seeing that even in authoritarian societies. not seen in the. at least 10 fatalities and several 1000 injured. and people losing eyes people losing their limbs. you know. but they've got to defend that it's fake news i mean. those protesters have been have a hand that they can defend. such a violent explosion. that they are very proud of the police

is managing this has not been the case in general. 20 years ago where the south is up and i want to just exactly do to praise the italian police force i'm asking about the french police force because it's a very important question when you're debating values whenever something some street action happens in other countries authoritarian countries in the european book there is always a very harsh criticism on any use of the police but here we are not hearing that forthright. as we have different sorts of information. because when there is of course there are also people who enjoy them. but they are not so you are not a little concerned about how. we have a. city as we had in the past for example you need to order ready the european level of the space to put in just

a. decision that over the rules and not the least but i think. that we have also said that. that it should be overweight aided to prevent. the french and security forces to work with. some lesson from. there it's been a pleasure talking to you thank you very much i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and hope to see you again same place same time here on worlds apart.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race is on the spear in dramatic development only mostly i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. over. the minutes but even.

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