now people who are criticizing him at westminster for his suspension of parliaments they're claiming it's democratic well on the one hand in the context that britain is a parliamentary democracy yes you could make that argument but on the other hand a prime minister in the u.k. has the power to suspend parliament also the deadlock the impasse over bret's has to be broken because it is an excessive will be for the u.k. economy to go into 2020 with bricks it's still lingering and let me at this is well regarded in the politicians at westminster who are claiming both for instance is that in an undemocratic way it's this is what i say to them and indeed once parliaments returns from the summer recess i will be saying this to them so the ones in the house of lords labor and conservative cheese in the prime minister will be an undemocratic whoa what are we despots see they have because members of the

house of lords have not been elected they are appointed minister and. so the house of commons her cheese and all stance on it being undemocratic i say this to them when they took their seats in the commons they swore an oath of allegiance to the queen well excuse me the heads of the british states the queen has not been elected so this arguments that boris johnson is acting in an undemocratic way can be turned on the very people who are choosing it will be an unsettling and secondly clinton glenn i mean one also i mean again irrespective of you like boris johnson's tactics i will even agree there a bit devious ok but it's within the bounds of law and tradition here and more and it's as marcus by quite correctly pointed out his claim to scalps prime ministers boris johnson now is and i think he's saying the people voted for breaks and i'm here to employ. amend it because the last 2 were not were unable or unwilling to do

it and he is doing the people's will ok has nothing to do with circumventing democracy no well they are claiming that this does not have the time anything to do with bricks and i don't believe so i do think it is the media's come out of politics is that only the most you know devious ok i think that's fair no but it is a good question whether or not the democratic because what is effectively doing now is the sidelining of parliament because the parliament is trying to undermine or reverse a referendum so the same parliament couldn't decide on how to move forward and know of enough of this argument i mean they can't move it forward ok we've proven that to astoria so may i wonder if she's out with hillary clinton in the in the woods taking a walk or something has to be done and go and i think that's where this problem is always have the same root as the people voted for bricks however parliament was overwhelmingly remain so this is where mark is correct this britain is

a parliamentary democracy that is usually sovereignty rests with parliament however in a referendum you hand over sovereignty to the people you allow them to make this edition but when they made the wrong decision the parliament decided to take it back to take back control so it will take for that you have to recognise a bit controversial to take back that decision making and walked or stones and i was trying to essentially cut off parliament because they're trying to. well he overturned a member of the parliament had its chance to prime ministers had their chance well i think this is just a travesty when people vote at the referendum 3 years bost and nothing has been done and then in order to feel the will of the people to feel that referendum the parliament has been suspended so i just had a look before coming here and there were quite an article by boris johnson for the telegraph that he pound on. june the 30th this year object into putin's

criticism of liberalism and their article is kind of the line will prove why i didn't put in a wrong by leaving the you by october 31st i think according to the news the telegraph should define this line yes we will prove what you are putting a right by suspending the parliament until october the 14th and just a mom called from this article from boris johnson ovadia mueller but there are some countries where capitalism is believed to be in the hands of order and very few who were doing this i've been short and liberal values i do write it but i can't respond to that that there is a country where referendums are not full field where the 4 year or so the destiny of not fulfill 20 years where the destiny of the general elected parliament is in the hands by the general who hoped and were actively draw of this i've been handed i've been actually it turns for pre-season from foreign embassy it's where they take the future then they go the others into that article ok let me go back to

marcus one of the interesting things there is there is still time i guess there's some part in total about 5 sitting days for parliament to actually do something to react legally i mean either they have to get a new new law or a new government both are very unlikely here the interesting thing is is how is brussels particularly the germans reacting to this because they have believed all along that they'd be as either a 2nd referendum or the article 50 would be revolved ok but now they have to sit up straight and listen to boris johnson because he's putting it out there a deal is still possible though it's rather unlikely but it's incumbent upon the europeans now to face up to the tactic as they've been using is not coming to fruition and it's not going to work out the way they want it what about this european angle go ahead marcus. well i am no friends to the european union me neither have fair but i have to be fair there is nothing else the european union

can do the european union and so he's a mate put together for a withdrawal agreements it wasn't great britain wasn't bad it was ok and british industry and british business sense so there is nothing else that rustles can do the ball is firmly in the cold all of london out boyish johnson's survival as prime minister depends solely on delivering breaths it by on the 31st of october he will script it he was propelled to power by the brits if he is in the conservative party if he does not deliver grex it then they will bring him down so i cannot save how bush johnson will secure a deal with the european union it is now more than likely that britain will exit

the european union is no deal the main issue is the irish backs up back out now now he is not going to give any more concessions on that i understand that but boys johnson is not going to give any concessions or one of the races is because if he gave a concession on the irish backstop then he risks losing the support of the day he paid in the commons and added one way one way the opposition could bring down the conservative government or starts it is holding up well it's of no consequence because as it stands now the government would win because that's handed the pm pays well i want to see what i want to say with the european angle here glenn but even what do you think the possibilities are because i think there is a you know there's a little bit of room there yeah down on this point i would disagree slightly with marcus because i don't think the backs of the them. theresa may was particularly good so i thought it was more than 3 times for good reason for good reasons and

part of the reason this once britain said ok we'll take no deal of the table and parliament affectively commit itself to we're going to block it no matter what that sent a very clear signal to the e.u. which is you know now it's either we can either give them a deal an awful deal or no deal or not necessarily often they want a deal that works more in the use favor so obviously in berlin and brussels now they have the impression you know brics it's not going to go through at least no deal because parliament will find a way to stop it so i think once they've miscalculated well you know they didn't you know. but i'm not sure at all so i think. they're panicking a bit more now than seems that this is the language here is sort of the more willing to try to find some compromise but where i would agree with marcus of course is that the u.s. has boxed itself in a little bit as well because they've been insisting that there is no way to compromise over ireland or there can be in the company other deal in this century

they only if there's going to be a deal may go to him if there is going to be a deal i say the ball is in the european court right well i think it's again chicken coming home to roost you know the e.u. has been using brutal tempted with so many countries until now and it always worked out so they're so used to not having a compromise that it would be the 1st time in many years of the other guy to blink exactly and that's what the 0 writes in their comment they write that the e.u. kind of got so used to having the other side blinking 1st that they're simply unable to compromise maybe johnson's brutal strategy may. be making the europeans and over the variance again. it is for the u.k. to play their bread should be all that terrible. bill in return for a trade arrangement well basically you know what it reminds me of it reminds me of

the situation before the ukrainian civil war how it was basically brought to the point of civil war by the new because the whole problem was on that note they were going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news staying with our. ready ready ready ready i

am sure need to stop at the continuing to grow. i just never know very good about the idea of bringing children into the world because i didn't feel like things were in very good shape that a life was just going to be a lot of software program. that. there's no reason the more. you take things that are to me the. movie is a myth something else that we need to get rid of some of everybody's scared to talk about it certifiable is really dependent on us addressing this issue and if we can even talk about it every chance even have a conversation or that it is then. we're in trouble ready. you know world of big part of the lot and conspiracy it's time

to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the path and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. dream agreed to pretty much all must remember that it was most of the family were people injured. it wasn't it was bad you know much worse objectively than today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america where shade by the 10 principles of concentration of wealth and power. reduced democracy attack solo down engineer elections manufacture consent and other principles

according to. one set of rules for the rich. that's what happens when you put her into the. narrow sector of will switch will is dedicated to increasing power virtue of just as you'd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real names. ok glenn in my introduction of the start of the program i talked about the saga of brags that now we have the saga of russia get what is with russia gate and now

because we have the report no collusion ok we but it still has a life of its own and it doesn't seem to be going away what accounts for that was the question also it much like rex at that's been going on now for almost 3 years. it doesn't seem to go away even after the mole or pretty much disappeared from the news keep in mind he was the hero of the resistance he was you know the one who's going to bring trouble everyone in handcuffs and now we see this isn't really panning out there now he suddenly. he disappeared so why are they still holding on to it i think because it's been almost 3 years now and the decided to completely go after trump didn't challenge its policies he said there and that's their biggest mistake they just went after him and what was the main thing or well he's an agent of the kremlin now. so effective it will have to go against the resistance focused

on him being a russian i just wrote this fall in line everyone has bought into this the problem is we're not tough enough on russia you can't sit down with them so essentially criminalizing diplomacy and now they all again they will put himself in this one position even though it turns out all of the story was a flop how do you reverse 3 years ago this month and so i have said that on this program so many times we go to markets is that you know when you sometimes it's impossible to take back words that you say because you said with such force and you just don't want to admit that you were wrong i mean the interesting thing here is that you you have jim comi the former f.b.i. director essential given a slap on the wrist and his. associates around him may not be as lucky because we have more investigation into the investigators but the remarkable thing is is that you have the assistant director of the f.b.i. and you make a he's under investigation but now he's a contributor at c.n.n. but you know james clapper is others are our contributors with the mainstream media

i mean they continue want to continue to want to control the narrative in a fact free environment go ahead marcus. well hostility towards russia suspicion off russia racism towards russians hasn't been going on for free it's it's been going on in the west for hundreds hundreds here that if you have a look at hand sought which records all the discussions in the house of commons in the house and in the house of lords if you go back to the 1600s to the 17 and it's the 1800s it's almost identical to the language that's coming out from westminster today about russia indeed if you go back to america and see what was being said about soviet russia in the 1920 s. and ninety's 1st season in the non-secure states in the one $960.00 s. once again it's almost identical to what's coming out of americans a day concert in russia now to go to george bush jr barack obama

and donald trump with those 3 individuals sincere when they say they wanted to improve relations we don't know we really don't know but what we do know is this that today in 2019 because of let the mere coincidence lead ship with russia is a certain a power game gusher is a resurgence force and americans know in washington that russia is not just the only country capable in the wells of literally destroying america but and russia is capable of limits in an american expansionism or defeat an american aggression therefore what we have seen in the last few years is just simply a continuation of great power riflery between america and russia and remember american generals and the hopes of support and be the conservatives on the liberals on capitol hill they need an enemy in order to get up just like that the friends

budget you know what it's just like a place in one place or the number of hours ago infants or concerts or back to country today. yes let's just. then. but i think i think there is also another element here demon is that this is a form of projection everything that they say russia is doing in the world they are doing the misnomer and i think that that's the it's the inability to any kind of self reflection i mean we saw this with the political classes in the media as a result of the 2016 election presidential brags it will go to mars also in the u.k. i mean this is just a glorified form of projection marcus is absolutely right it justifies the defense budget so there's a material end of it but there's a there's a deep psychological thing because you project all of the negative things that you were doing under someone else absolutely. i think now it's march towards the end in

the 19th century or even during that time so because all the differences in the great there's a you know we have to define our terms great power politics you know that's up time in memoriam now in but now it's being beyond what ideological ideology being weaponized because of the star and one of the great powers namely the states and the you to believe that they represent a very progressive for your dear that is destined to win that has proven itself to be better than anything i've seen before they're basically acting like the soviet union you know you're in their early 20th century and then followed their enduring legacy of russia just days ago again. in the guardian russian how to target toward a day again in 2000 claim to be and i was xander you find out about it and you know what is interesting is that there is a brand and santa for justice which is provider which is iranian and election

reform at the state and here is a quote from one of their experts or be afforded it will be a critical state in 2020 and 40 election officials should assume they will be targeted to gain. said larry norden who professionally runs this election reform program but our viewers there is no evidence that was a need meddling absolute russian mentally and florida election 2000 austine i would i would i would refer our listeners our viewers to just a great conversation between glenn greenwald and our own martin on you tube the great it's always a great zone gray zone and in that you know that is headlined very rightly rashi gate skeptics are vindicated but conspiracy theorists on russia gate are reward it let me remind our listeners that the new york times about 2 pulitzer prizes for something that actually write in a bold can be doing trump and russia something that the military well you know exist our viewers should take a look at a google ad about the you know the right answer talking editorial just one fact

just one interesting fact in this conversation between greenwald and our own mark there 15 former u.s. intelligence officials are now working as analysts at c.n.n. and ice and b c not only james clapper who rightly said is now hired by c.n.n. also also will. keep all sort of you know talking about previous experiences jeffrey goldberg who was very important in spreading of the law that led to the iraq war about weapons of mass destruction he is now read 3 knobs on the most important issue remember. so these people there is complete impunity these people who are who basically perjured themselves like james burgett before the congress they gave him a position in the debate that goes back to my introduction this is 2 tiered justice system here because you know we we we have someone like jim comey for now off the hook but the new. papadopoulos in union you have. mr stone roger

stone i mean it seems to be i mean what would be equitable when this is also. when done if there's any kind of ending is it gives trump should give immunity to all these people give a pardon to everyone and get this behind us. i think a triumph or. 2 and it goes into the election because it's so many. weaknesses there which they wish the democrats build so much of their legitimacy on so i think one key consequence of this will be they might as well be handing 4 more years. by following this strategy they. have to be it's the deep state it's hollywood it was academia the media they elected donald trump in 2016 by insulting half of the electorate ok and they're doing it again and again in fact it was a very good point i think another guard in the article came out a week or 2 ago it's just the. proposal to buy greenland put in have put him up to

it to get the distance in the guardian and of course the needless to say there's no evidence there but even more important there was no logic in there like why in the earth would the reporting want donald trump to buggery that i was wrong to the smallest and then walsh important role this week that it was. there that helped build he is inadequate well if you're going to go back to the earlier time to go back there if you go back to marcus in london i mean this has a life of its own and it seems to be part of the genetic code of many parts of the political left right now it just it is gospel right now because it unifies their side ok it's a very important element to keep their side of the aisle intact because you all have to be anti russian that keeps them unified it's a unifying element unfortunately markets go ahead. paisa as long as.

the mains the country it is today an independent sovereign one which will battle down to america then these accusations coming out of washington will continue goats for bait. ever has laid a lot mikhail gorbachev or boris yeltsin and then the accusations will stop but very quickly the soviet union was a russian states and remains the most powerful russian state in history and secondly it's all good but it's worse today what's coming out of america and structure than it ever was was untenable you're forgetting mccarthyism you're forgetting this is not here let's it really is a continuation of ingrained hostility yeah and the incident did that's very much part of the d.n.a. the political d.n.a. of how that can be can be it's very interesting here you know i think you know very quick you know in the conversation by greenwald and mark today they wrote that with basically weakness in a repeat of the cold war when no one is allowed to advocate for better relations with russia or for field being accused an apologist for russia or russian agent but

they would say that before it was their prerogative what conservatives accusing the democrats and the liberal side of the russian movement split now it leapt it completely and that just a small margin you know it would give us some seconds to go and go now also so being a bit of an optimist i thought maybe a good russia good could have maybe changed the narrative between us not because they learn from their mistakes but whether other yes it's true that russia has kind of been the other now for centuries however there's a new development which hasn't been around for centuries and thus the rise of china and obviously seems that america is waking up to the fact that china will be their main rival going forward so in lieu of that i thought maybe you know i would start to really think that glenn that's why you're an academic because you think logically incoherent is my curse you would expect that from politicians all the time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d.c. . exxon remember us.

well you know the cars they were kind of adopted because we were called pirates for so long. of being there in the small boats next to the hard pool of ships and it's still. coming down to. the little self to be told fish already 90 percent of the dot and it won't recover. qantas 15 scoops 17 tons to not do it several times a day with a big cleats and no you get an idea why. we have to understand we can all stay still and just. be with this he does

feel more users. i'm doing this because i want the future world to the future can generations to have and enjoy the ocean we have. chose seemed wrong when old rules just don't hold. any new world yet to shape out these days become agitated and engage with equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or

rejected. so when you want to be president i'm sure. most somewhat want to be rich . but you'd like to be prosperous like the full story of the boy can't be good but i'm interested always in the waters of our. first sit. for a day or so thinks the. leap day or 2. she

stressed to make sure that the british and the bill of voted out that you know that our. job was to you she didn't taste a piece of shit she's a c.e.o. which quite a long. time and now look what you've seen the member states future economy for sure you. want to talk to me short of your my it's your bonus for should be. good to mr hazlewood support of. spirit with all 3 of you seem to be an arguable piece to teach the student actually a person a personal believe one could or should still stick him spinning. headlines

and say u.s. immigration officials have been granted permission to use fake social media a kind someone is a people seeking to enter the country flying in the face they were of efforts to rid online networks of false pride funds plus i. the alternative to germany party celebrates 2 of its best local election results yet to be financed immigration euro skeptics coming 2nd in both brandenburg and saxon a and i think you'll commemorating the great sins of the deadliest terrorist attack in modern russian history enters its 2nd day relatives of the victims and survivors share that i mean for memory of the minutes of the school siege 15 years ago.