he's scared to talk about it survival is really dependent on us addressing this issue and if we can even talk about it and we can't even have a conversation about it ready. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle continuing brags that saga is boris johnson a friend or foe of democracy and another saga russia gate is the way to treat peered justice system one for the protected and one for the rest of us.

cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest glenn deeson he is a professor at the higher school be cannot mix as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia we also have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor and you know so many internet media project and in london we crossed a marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics 1st magazine right gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to london 1st here let's talk about boris johnson i asked in my intro is he a friend or foe of democracy because some people are making very strong arguments on both sides of that proposition go ahead marcus. well these are exceptional slants the president the likes of which the city has not experienced since the 2nd world war and directs it which is a cool idea not as claimed the scouts of 2 british prime ministers david cameron and the reason made and there is no reason as to why bricks it could not end up

claiming the scalp of boys johnson however what is different now is that boris johnson has pledged has promised to deliver breaths it with or without a deal by or on the 31st of october now people who are criticizing him at westminster for his suspension of parliament saqlain minutes and democratic well on the one hand in the context that britain is a parliamentary democracy yes you could make that argument but on the other hand a prime minister in the u.k. has the power to suspend parliament also the deadlock the impasse over brett's has to be broken because it is an excessive will be for the u.k. economy to go into 2020 with bricks it's still lingering and let me add this as well peter regards in the politicians at westminster who are claiming both for instance is that in an undemocratic way this is what i say to them and indeed once

parliament's returns from the summer recess i will be sayn this to them so the ones in the house of lords labor and conservative cheese in the prime minister will be in undemocratic well what don't desart see they have because members of the house of lords have not been elected they are appointed to connect them to. the house of commons who achieves an all stance on it being undemocratic i say this to them when they took their seats in the commons they swore an oath of allegiance to the queen well excuse me the heads of the british states the queen has not been elected so. this argument always johnson is acting in an undemocratic way can be turned on the very people who are choosing it. and secondly glenn glenn i mean one also i mean again irrespective of you like boris johnson's tactics i will even agree there a bit devious ok but it's within the bounds of blogs and tradition here and war and

it's as mark has quite correctly pointed out his claim to scalps prime ministers boris johnson now is and i think he's saying the people voted for briggs and i'm here to implement it because the last 2 were not were ill and unable or unwilling to do it and he is doing the people's will ok has nothing to do with circumventing democracy no well they are claiming that this does not have the time and i think the with brakes if i don't believe so i do think it's going to come out of politics is that i must be you know devious ok i think that's fair no but it is a good question whether or not this is democratic because what is effectively doing now is the sidelining of parliament because the parliament is trying to undermine or reverse a referendum so the same parliament couldn't decide on how to move forward another of enough of this parliament i mean they can't move it forward ok we've proven that

to astoria so may i wonder if she's out with hillary clinton in the in the woods taking a walk ok something has to be done and i think that's where this problem us always have the same root as the people voted for breaks it however parliament was overwhelmingly remained so this is where yes mark is correct this britain is a parliamentary democracy that is solution to sovereignty rests with parliament however in a referendum you hand over sovereignty to the people who allow them to make this issue but when they made the wrong decision the parliament decided to take a rocket to take back control so whether they for or against you have to recognise a bit controversial to take back that. making in words or stones and i was trying to essentially kind of parliament because they're trying to. overturn the law but the parliament had its chance to prime ministers have their chance well i think it's just a travesty when people vote at the referendum 3 years have passed and nothing has

been done and then in order to feel the will of the people to fulfil the referendum the parliament has been suspended so i just had a look before coming here there were quite an article by boris johnson for the telegraph that he parent on june the 30th this year object into putin's criticism of liberalism and their article is headline prove why they were put in the wrong by leaving the you by october 31st i think according to the news the telegraph should redefine this line yes we will prove what you are putting the right by suspending the parliament until october the 14th and just one call from this article from boris johnson ovadia mueller but there are some countries where capitalism is believed to be in the hands of all the gods and very few who are doing this i've been short and the liberal values are derided well i can't respond to that that there is a country where referendums are not full field where the 4 years of the destiny of

not fulfil 20 years where the destiny of the general elected parliament is in the hands of an individual with fluffy hair who was not elected by the general who hooked and were actively doing this i've been handed i've been actually it turns for pre-season from foreign embassy it's where they take the future lead to good advertising to that article ok let me go back to marcus one of the interesting things there is there is still time i guess or support in total about 5 sitting days for parliament to actually do something to react legally i mean either they have to get a new new law or a new government both their very own. likely here the interesting thing is is how is brussels particularly germans reacting to this because they have believed all along that they'd be it's either a 2nd referendum or article 50 would be revoked ok but now they have to sit up straight and listen to boris johnson because if he's putting it out there a deal is still possible what though it's rather unlikely but it's incumbent upon

the europeans now to face up to that is the tactic this they've been using is not coming to fruition and it's not going to work out the way they want it what about this european angle go ahead marcus. well i am no friends to the european union me neither have there but i have to be fair there is nothing else the european union can do the european union and so he's amazed. a withdrawal agreements it wasn't great britain wasn't that it was ok and british industry and british business sense so there is nothing else that can do the ball is firmly in the cold all of london out boyish johnson's survival as prime minister depends solely on delivering threats it by on the 31st of

october he will script it he was propelled to power by the brits if he is in the conservative party if he does not deliver grex it then they will bring him down so i cannot save how bush johnson will secure a deal with the european union it is now more than likely that britain will exit the european union there's no deal the main issue is the irish backs up actually now the e.u. is not going to give any more concessions on that i understand that but boris johnson is not going to give any concessions. one of the races is because he gave a concession on the irish back still that he risks losing the support of the date you hate in the commons and one way one way the opposition could bring down the conservative orthodoxy is hold in a no confidence because as it stands the government would win because the heat

and pays well i want to see what i want to say with the european angle here glenn what do you think what do you think the possibilities are because i think there is a you know there's a little bit of room there on this point i would disagree slightly with marcus because i don't think the bracks of dale theresa may was particularly good so i thought it was more than 3 times for good reason for good reasons and part of the reason this once britain said ok we'll take no deal off the table and parliament effectively commit itself to we're going to block it no matter what that sent a very clear signal to the e.u. which as you know now it's either we can either give them a deal an awful deal or no deal they are not necessarily on their way out of the deal that works more in the use favor so obviously in berlin and brussels now they have the impression you know brics it's not going to go through at least the deal because parliament will find a way to stop it so i think once they've missed calculated well you know they didn't you know boris sarah but i'm not sure at all so i think.

they're panicking a bit more now because of that this is a language i hear sort of exactly they're more willing to try to find some compromise but where i would agree with mark is of course is that the u.s. has boxed itself in a little bit as well because they've been insisting that there is no way to compromise over ireland or there can be a comp in the other deal and essentially they all if they're going to be deal me go to them if there's going to be a deal i say the ball is in the european court and right ahead well i think it's again chicken coming home to roost you know the e.u. has been using brutal tempted. with so many countries until now and it always walked out so they're so used to not having a compromise that it would be the 1st time in many years of thinking the other guy to blink exactly and that's what the 0 writes in their comment they write that the e.u. has got so used to having the other side blinking 1st that they're simply unable

to compromise maybe boris johnson's brutal strategy may. be making the europeans an over the variance again. here is for the u.k. to play their bread should be all that terrible bread should be all in return for a trade arrangement well basically you know what it reminds me of it reminds me of the situation before the ukrainian civil war how it was basically brought to the point of civil war by the e.u. because the whole problem was on that note they were going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news staying with.

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welcome back to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok glenn in my introduction the start of the program i talked about the saga of bragg's it now we have the songa of russia get what is with russia gate now because we have the moeller report no collusion ok we are. but it still has a life of its own and it doesn't seem to be going away when it counts for better or worse the question also is much like the exit that's been going on now for almost 3 years and it doesn't seem to go away even after the mother of pretty much disappeared from the news keep in mind he was the hero of the resistance he was going to bring everyone in handcuffs and now we see this isn't really panning out

to know he suddenly disappeared so why are they still holding on to it i think because it's been almost 3 years now and the they decided to completely go after that into challenges policies there so that's their biggest mistake they just went after him and what was the main thing or well he's an agent of the kremlin now. so effective it will have to go against the resistance focused on him being a russian i just wrote this fall in line everyone has bought into this the problem is we're not tough enough on russia you can't sit down with them so essentially criminalizing diplomacy and out it all again they will put themselves in this one position even though it turns out all of the story was a flop how do you reverse 3 years ago is a month and so i've said that on this program so many times and we go to markets is that you know when you sometimes it's impossible to take back words that you say because you said with such force and you just don't want to admit that you're wrong i mean the interesting thing here is that you you have jim call me the former

f.b.i. director and sensually given a slap on the wrist and his. associates around him may not be as lucky because we have more investigation into the investigators but the remarkable thing is is that you have the assistant director of the f.b.i. and you make a he's under investigation but now he's a contributor at c.n.n. but you know james clapper is others are our contributors with the mainstream media we continue want to continue to want to control the narrative in. fact free environment go ahead marcus. well hostility towards russia suspicion of russia racism towards russians hasn't been going on for free it's it's been going on in the west for hundreds hundreds here that if you have a look at hand sought which records all the discussions in the house of commons in the house and in the house of lords if you go back to the 1600s to the 17 and it's

the 1800 it's almost identical to the language that's coming out from westminster today about russia indeed if you go back to america and see what was being said about soviet russia in the 1920 s. and ninety's 1st season in the non-secure states in the one $960.00 s. once again it's almost identical to what's coming out of americans a day concert in russia not the govt in george bush jr barack obama and donald trump with those 3 individuals sincere when they say they once it's we improve relations you know we don't know we really don't know what we do know is this that today in 2019 because of lead to me a clue things lead ship with russia is a certain a power game gosh it is a resurgence force and americans know in washington that russia is not just the only country capable in the wells of literally destroying america problem russia is capable of limits in an american expansionism or defeat an american aggression

therefore what we have seen in the last few years is just simply a continuation of great power riflery between america and russia and remember american generals and the hopes of support and be the conservatives on the liberals on capitol hill they need an enemy in order to get up that's the point that the friends budgets you know it's just like place in one place or the number of hours ago. from or country they. just spent then. but i think but i think there is also another element here demon is that this is a form of projection everything that they say russia is doing in the world they are doing the misnomer and i think that's the the it's the inability to any kind of self reflection i mean we saw this with the political classes in the media as

a result of the 2016 election presidential and brags it will go to mars also in the u.k. i mean this is just a glorified form of projection marcus is absolutely right it justifies the defense budget so there's a material end of it but there's a there's a deep psychological thing because you project all of the negative things that you were doing under someone else absolutely. i think now it's march towards the end in the 19th century or even during that time so because all the differences in the great there's a you know we have to define our terms great power politics you know that's up time in memoriam now but now it's being held what ideological ideology being weaponized because of the star and one of the great powers namely the states and the you to believe that they represent a very progressive for your good that is destined to win that has proven itself to be better than anything seen before they're basically acting like the soviet union you know you the century and then all of the enduring legacy of russia just days

ago again. in the guardian russian how close ally target to order to gain in 2000 claim to be and i was xander you find out about it and you know what is interesting is that there is a brand and santa for justice which is provide which is iranian and election reform at the state and here is a call from one of their experts or be afforded it will be a critical state in 2020 and fall. election officials should assume they will be targeted again said larry norden who professionally runs this election reform program but our viewers there is no evidence that was a need meddling absolutely mentally and florida election 2000 you know i would i would i would refer our listeners our viewers to just a great conversation between glenn greenwald and our own martin on you tube the great it's always a great zone gray zone and in there you know that is headlined very rightly rush to

get skeptics vindicated but conspiracy theorist on russia gate our reward it let me remind our listeners that the new york times about 2 pulitzer prizes for something that you actually write in a bold can be doing trump and russia something that the military well you know exist our viewers should take a look and you can google it about the you know the right answer calling editorial just one fact just one interesting fact in this conversation between greenwald and our own mike there 15 former u.s. intelligence officials are now working as analysts at c.n.n. and ice and b.c. not only james clapper who you rightly said is now hired by c.n.n. also also will. keep all sort you know talking about previous experiences jeffrey goldberg who was very important in spreading of the law that led to the iraq war about weapons of mass destruction he is now read 3 knobs on the most for

important issue remember there are plenty so these people there is complete impunity these people who lie who basically perjured themselves like james perjured himself before the congress they gave him a position in the debate that goes back to my introduction this is 2 tiered justice system here because you know we we we have someone like jim comey for now off the hook but the new. papadopoulos in union you have. mr stone roger stone i mean it seems to be i mean. what would be equitable when this is all said and done if there's any kind of ending as it gives trump should give immunity to all these people give a pardon to everyone and get this behind us. i think a triumph or. 2 and it goes into the election because it's so many. weaknesses there wish they wish the democrats build so much of their legitimacy and so i think one consequence of this will be they might as well be handing 4 more years.

by following this strategy they. have to be it's the deep state it's hollywood it was academia the media they elected donald trump in 2016 by insulting half of the electorate ok and they're doing it again and again in fact it was a very good point i think another guard in the article came out a week or 2 ago it's just the. proposal to buy greenland put in have put him up to it to get this also in the guardian and of course the needless to say there's no evidence there but even more important there was no logic here they're like why god's green earth would the reporting want donald trump to buggery that i was wrong to the smallest and then walsh and port over all this week that it was. there that helped build he is inadequate well if you're going to go back to the earlier time to go back there if you go back to marcus in london i mean this has a life of its own and it seems to be part of the genetic code many parts of the

political left right now it just it is gospel right now because it unifies their side ok it's a very important element to keep their side of the aisle intact because you all have to be anti russian that keeps them unified it's a unifying element unfortunately markets go ahead. paisa as long as. the mains the country it is today an independent sovereign one which will battle down to america than these accusations coming out of washington and will continue to go for it. ever has laid a lot mikhail gorbachev or boris yeltsin and then the accusations will stop but very quickly the soviet union was a russian states and remains the most powerful russian state in history and secondly it's already does its worse today what's coming out of america that ever was was untenable you're forgetting mccarthyism you're forgetting this is not here

let's it really is a continuation of ingrained hostility yeah and the incident did that's very much part of the d.n.a. the political d.n.a. of how that can be can be it's very interesting here you know i think you know very quick you know in the conversation by greenwald and marty they wrote that basically we can see in a repeat of the cold war when no one is allowed to advocate for better relations with russia for feel being accused an apologist for russia or russian agent but they would say that before it was their prerogative what conservatives accusing the democrats and the liberals would be not a little bit split now it leapt it completely and that just a small margin you know it would give us some seconds to go and go now also being a bit of an optimist i thought maybe good russia good could have maybe changed the narrative a bit in us not because they don't learn from their mistakes but whether either yes it's true that russia has kind of been the other now for centuries however there's a new development which hasn't been around for centuries and thus the rise of china

and obviously seems that america is waking up to the fact that china will be their main rival going forward so in lieu of that i thought maybe you know i would start to really think that the glenn let's why you're an academic because you think logically incoherent is my curse you would expect that from politicians all the time we have many things to my dance here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d.c. . remember crosstalk. she stressed to make sure that the british and the bill of voted out that he had to . stop the show so here she didn't taste the taste to she's ok so i push quite all shall. see them

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