a superior way but they have not been prepared to take the risks and to invest in order to maintain a great achievement of diplomacy now we talk about europeans because russia and china are totally different be continue to have x. excellent relations with both countries of course russia and china are also affected by the united states and by the eagle measures i don't call them sanctions but economic terrorism why the united states against iran was it but the europeans have not other than making general statements in support of j.c. pure have not been prepared to invest in it now it is important for them to implement their commitments the reason i've been to france twice and president rouhani has been talking with president mccrone and today while i'm here by deputies in paris with others discussing it with the printer officials is to see

how they can implement their own commitments it's not about renegotiating jacey pewit it's not about revising it but it's simply about implementing their political let me ask you a question about that because over the last couple of weeks you've been daring if not taunting the europeans to grow up and the banks that serve into the americans to respect international law. which includes formally the 83 didn't have any fact well i don't know because i'm not preaching anybody i'm simply talking about the realities you see all of us when we went to primary school and high school we had bullies in our class and bullies would not stop if people just look at them while they beat another student once they beat the 1st student or go to the 2nd and the said and the 4th do parents must know that the appetite a. the united states for breaking international law ever and wherever it serves to

really not stop with casey pure as it has not now everybody knows just your surprise visit to the g. 7 summit at the invitation of its host french president the money on the problem and americans very clearly i'm happy with that but for all the attention it got it's still publicity and it's a tiny little act of defiance on the part of the europeans do you think they have enough interest enough force and down to truly defy them merican will when it comes to the period and uphold and of the deal well i can only say that that's what they need to do how they want to do it they want to convince the americans or they want to defy the americans it's the decision i believe the americans will not be convinced under stacie a determination for the from the rest of the world to uphold principles of international law as i said a bully. his appetite this employee will only grow if they see lack of

reaction if defense of the we do not interfere in the way to your body and hearing your future depends on that directly and i think that one of the problem problems that they disappear in compliance is that it's easy to keep tabs on the round to see what iran is doing and what it's not but it's much more difficult with the compliance of the west and signatures because even during the obama administration there were issues with implementation american companies were wary of the geopolitical risks they bear ocracy was very complicated now the station is far more precarious how do you think the europeans can respect the deal i you're expecting them to force that companies to trade with you no i don't think they can do that but they can implement their own laws because j.c. if you it was a carefully negotiated agreement 1st of all our future doesn't depend on it we will build our future or without a superior we believe that j.c.

pure is an important achievement that should not be destroyed but i think the destruction of j.c. pewee would be a blow to diplomacy not a blow to iraq so we try but be have many other choices and over the past one year since the united states withdrew from tracy pure way we have stopped below start a condom me we have reduced the inflation we have reduced. we have increased our growth so all day i'm f. is also projecting that your economy will fall by 6 percent well it did fall it did fall but we are now recovering from that major fault it was a shock to our economy. it almost we lost quite a bit of our currency value we have recovered a 3rd of what we lost over the past. several months so it shows that we are not putting our life we are not relying on j.c. pure. for. our continued economic prosperity we want to

see this a cheap moment of diplomacy survive but if the europeans cannot do their part then we will all lose it's not that they will lose we all lose including the united states it's been roughly 2 months since instax this european mechanism for circumventing the american sanctions became operational and i'm sure the iranian leadership is eagerly watching those numbers can you tell us how much has been wired to or at least how many deals made use of that mechanism i don't know of any . and it's all important for me because in stakes is a european mechanism it's a european attempt to circumvent as you said it isn't is that no the measure of how no very aware of why it's a pity for the europeans is a prerequisite to implementing the 11 commitments that they made since the u.s.

withdraw they had a commitment a number of commitments before us withdrawal within which are independent of us behavior and they made 11 commitments after us regroup so those commitments were made with the knowledge that the united states did not will not be cooperated those opposed to implement those commitments and that's what we're negotiating about we're not to go sheeting about anything else other than implementing that commitment now they need to talk to the united states it well it is something that they have to take care of now by agreeing to the deal without the american participation iran is already taking a very substantial concession. have you do you have any understanding of how much these deal has to deliver in terms of trade for it to be worthwhile will the american participation. and was not an advantage for us.

iran has lived without the united states for 40 years iran has lived in spite of the united states for 40 years in order to remove security council resolutions the presence of the 5 permanent members of the security council required so we were not eager to negotiate with the united states it was a necessity once. that. objective was achieved for us the presence of the united states was not a major plus as you said from the very beginning even during the obama administration the united states was more interested in keeping the sanctions that it had not lifted than observing its obligations to lift the sanctions so this has been the case and we were never we were never. naive about the united states i've lived in the us for 30 years of follow the united states for the past 40 years so i know what i probably misread many of your interviews you stress that economic

benefits is one of the tenets of the stealthy economic benefits economic benefits are one of the tenets of the deed and the deed actually rests on 2 pillars not nonproliferation and normalization of economic relations but that does not require where united out and american participation end with active american counteraction khania gadd the economic benefits of they still not all of the economic benefits but i believe that the international community will have to come to its senses that unless they stop this trend then the next week terms will be others we have other options we are least dependent you know in 2008 we suffered the least from economic from the global economic crash because we fortunately or unfortunately have been. basically alienated from global economy so we are multiple. it is

a resilient economy that can withstand pressures from outside we have been the subject of pressure for 40 years not just in the in the area of economic relations but in other areas we did not want iran relations with the rest of the world to be governed by security council resolutions and it and now it's not government if anything the rest of the world are obliged under security council resolution to normalize the economic relations with iraq and in order to get that we needed the united states to be a part we are not naive about the rest of the world we are not naive about the influence of u.s. economy but let me tell you one thing insistence of the united states on the weaponization of the of the dollar on developing is ation of the economy in order to wage war against others will lead to its demise excessive use of any means of power will eventually between its demise now we see the united states

is using the same measure against china the same measure against russia not maybe as intensively not maybe without as much vengeance but the same type of measures are being used against china against russia against others this didn't meet 2 d. not not tomorrow but the eventual decline of a u.s. economic model and well minister let me stop you for a moment we have to take a short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments. on an. so we've got to do is identify the threats that we have its crew. confrontation let it

be an arms race is often scary and dramatic developments only i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful betty came to kill time to sit down and talk. things. we did hear. during the great depression which i'm old enough to remember there was most of my family were unemployed working. there wasn't it was bed much worse objective listen

today but there was an expectation of the things were going to get better. there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america was shaped by the 10 principles of concentration of wealth and power. reduced democracy attack solo doubt engineer elections manufacture consent and other principles according to know on. one set of rules for the rich opposite set rules for. that's what happens when you put her into the. narrow sector of will switch will is dedicated to increasing power for chills just as you'd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america.

welcome back to worlds apart where iran's point affairs minister about that this is just before the break we were talking about american bullying as you put it and iran's response to u.s. pressure historically has been a counter threat related to the strait of hormuz and the freedom of navigation there. which i think there americans are now trying to negate even theoretically by putting together a group of countries that would do the maritime patrols of the persian gulf what do you think about this initiative well the persian gulf and straight a whole most narrow bodies of water increasing military presence in in this narrow body of water will not increase its security if anything it will increase in

security iran has 1500 miles of coastline on the persian gulf about the same in the sea obama and controls the northern part of strait of hormuz so without iran you cannot have security and certain be you will have tension if you bring naval fertilised to the persian gulf in order to attack iran or in order to threaten iran reduce a force this will increase in security freedom of navigation any other issue of international law and international relations is a global commodity you cannot have freedom of navigation in the strait a world most are not free the navigation in the suez canal or the strait of gibraltar all of this together and the danger with us wide asians of international law is that it's destroying international law in general. all the countries that have so far subscribed to this initiative are close u.s.

allies there are some reports that israel and potentially even saudi arabia have interest in this proposition do you think the united states can go beyond insuring just the freedom of navigation and use this initiative as a and forcing mechanism for the american sanctions do you have any concerns about being locked physically locked within the sea of a man no we won't be physically locked because if it comes to that we have the greatest power in the region we are the coastal states no no amount of foreign firepower that comes through this region will be able to change that change only at insecurity but there's usually a passage is a very narrow can they block you know they can be not engaged in a threat to block them the issue is freedom freedom of navigation. energy

security should be put everybody who cannot pick and choose who can be benefiting from freedom of navigation from energy security and who carol well that leads me to my next question perfectly because freedom of navigation is pressing not only in the strait of hormuz but also in the south china sea and just the other day india together with germany france and the u.k. a voice there and these over the chinese poster there the iranian government has never been too straightforward about its position on the issue do you consider the south china sea part of the global commons well we respect the position of china and we have always wanted. to see stability and tranquility in the south china sea but we believe stability and tranquility in the south china sea can. not be achieved at the expense of china as the stability and security in the persian gulf and c.e.o.

woman cannot be achieved at the expense of iraq i sense some equivocation in your response minister and yet as he just sat freedom of navigation is a global come on to commodity i'm sure you genuinely believe that after your interactions unpleasant maritime interactions with a with the brits do you take those few incidents with the seizure of oil tankers as a sort of i won off. event or do you think that perhaps is there is a new trend in global trade no unfortunately i see that as a u.s. attempt to make freedom navigation a one sided commodity and to deprive iran of that i see i see the seizure of our ship in gibraltar as a clear case of piracy because it was quite clearly and quickly resolved. it was resolved through a great deal of diplomatic efforts and other efforts we've made it clear that if

the united states. uses its economic influence with other countries to deprive iran of sending gifts or officially and transparently reviews all other methods to sell our oil because the united states is committing an act of aggression and not the warfare against iran by preventing our traditional customers to buy oil from us and that does not mean we will simply succumb to u.s. pressure historically the united states has tried to deprive us of the means of defense we built our missiles it tried to prevent us from having access to nuclear fuel we build our own nuclear fuel now it's trying to prevent us from selling our oil review said our oil one beauty and the united states will not be able to. prevent that but we see an attempt by the united states and the seizure of our ship in gibraltar was not in response to e.u. sanctions but it was in response to u.s.

pressure and if you don't believe me look at the tweet by ambassador bolton he said this was the best 4th of july presents a present that the that the united kingdom could have given to the united states so it's clear that it was done under request of the united states since its release the united states has been interfering with freedom of navigation as for interfering with the selling of iranian oil which is perfectly legal actually it is required we are we should be selling our own not that the international law is silent about it security council resolution. requires others to work with us for economic normalization so the united states is just like a bully trying to prevent others from respecting the law minister with all due respect that's not a new development is it i mean that's pretty much the way the united states has

been behaving phone many decades is just a little bit more transparent with donald trump and let me ask specifically a question about him because you've described your style of policy in diplomacy rather as the pursuit of constructive engagement do you believe that donald trump would be in gauge constructively in his own very special way but could be leveraged in the way that would deliver the results that you would find beneficial for your country. as a diplomat i cannot rule out diplomacy. i have to work for diplomatic solutions it's my job and i will continue to try but what i can say is there is a negotiating table we are at that negotiating table with 5 other important countries. p 4 plus germany and the european union the united states decided to leave that negotiating but i'm not asking you only about the nuclear

deal you have this very interesting phrase that you like repeating about the proposed non-aggression pact that you sat iran is eager to sign with all its neighbors and you said several times that a known aggression pact can't trump reliance on extraneous actors and this is where president trump may actually agree with you because under his command the u.s. navy is no longer looking into men taining it's carrier strike capabilities in the gulf on a full time basis of there is some. roof room for agreement there do you think that could be a lab or it's. well as i said the negotiating table is this is a ticket to get to that the goetia 18 table and that's for compliance with j c p o a now we spend a lot of time negotiating that we have already said that we are ready i mean we put

the suggestion on persian gulf security on the table a long time ago i made that suggestion repeated that suggestion here in moscow during a conference a couple of years busy ago and i'm very happy that russia has taken up that suggestion and is now proposing a major initiative by russia which is very close to our thinking about the future of security in our region so these are these are all possibilities but we would never negotiate under pressure we would never negotiate with the knowledge that the outcome of those negotiations would only last for one presidency and the other i think there have been some reports in the media that. you mean that perhaps not negotiate and the pressure but you may reach out even though most hostile enemies there have been some reports that during your recent trip to kuwait you. brought some proposal for the saudis including

a proposal for an unknown aggression pact is that true well the non-aggression pact has been on the table for all our neighbors in the persian gulf including saudi arabia and including the rest of them they would negotiate with them after all be obvious be that hesitation we will mean we have no absolutely no problem discussing security in our region with the saudis what exactly within the non-aggression pact with the saudis look like because it crankily involved in a number of proxy conflicts with them and it's not only about attack iran and riyadh but also many non-state actors in your vision. of that document would those non-state actors also be included it would include any coalition against one another that would mean saudi arabia should not be a part of a coalition against iran and iran would not be a part of any coalition against saudi arabia we will not take aggressive measures against saudi arabia and they should not take against us they should all support

any terrorist organization unfortunately they are supporting many terrorist organizations many separatist organizations we should resolve our problems peacefully we should try to help each other in resolving regional problems we proposed to saudi arabia 6 years ago that leaders of the syrian problem peacefully we proposed to saudi arabia 6 years ago and again 4 years ago to resolve the problem in yemen politically unfortunately daily life fully on the united states and they believe they can fight their wars we did our until the last american soldier this wouldn't turn to the united states is no longer willing to go all of it at that so that brings us back to the to the issue and to the plaza now i think that all trump i think that could call conative rearrangement in our region would be extremely important for. bringing people to the negotiating table as soon as. people in our region realize that they cannot buy security from outside they can

buy a lot of weapons and donald trump will be too happy sending them a lot of buttons but i do not think as you correctly pointed out donald trump will be prepared to spare the lives of americans in order to fight their wars and as soon as they realize that they come to the negotiating table and they will negotiate not they will succumb we do not want anybody to succumb to pressure we believe that the era of hell germany in the at the global level and at the region around level it's got saudi arabia in my view is still interested in head germany. it's briberies incite the region and not limited to iraq i mean iran is not involved in north africa we're not in the bia we're not in the suit that what saudi arabia is there because it's seeking catchment it's seeking to germany and yemen that is why we have just war going on even between saudi allies in yemen

that mentality has to changed too. necessary changes no but you could have had your money into beach or you come out while your security problem outside i think that cognitive transmission in saudi arabia we can have peace and i understand the same applies to iran as well of course of course if i say that there can be no hedger monic power in the region i mean iran what we understand we do not want to exclude saudi arabia prompted egypt is from saudi arabia that has tried over and over again to exclude iraq and the reason you have this problem in the region is just obsession that they can exclude you from anywhere in the region that will never happen i think the sooner our saudi neighbors come to the realization that they need to live for ever with their neighbors in the region the sooner we

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