well it's a bit devious but then politics and being devious are synonymous so go ahead alastair in london well yeah i think that's that's correct that he's he's acting on a democratic mandate and he's trying to get to a situation where the u.k. actually leaves the european union the problem just now and the problem that he's got in terms of concluding any of these arrangements by the 31st of october is that steadily uneven and rapidly the rulebook has been torn arpan terms of how politics works there's all sorts of constitutional issues being arranged with parliament grabbing hold of the order book and determining the order of business the legal challenges to what to his capacity to get us out so i think 6 all bets are off just now in terms of whether he can get us out by the 31st of october and you know you could argue that and did i would argue that

those people who want to delay breaks it in fact want to do much more than that they want to actually stop that and right from the outset the mechanisms to stop or exit those are have always been posed in a kind of democratically friendly way but the mass the real intent which is really to stop or exit all the other let's stay within tensions i like that look this go back to admiral john i mean to resume was the worst person possible to negotiate because she didn't believe in it ok she wasn't she was the remainder now we have boris johnson which with very kind of a checkered past these really kind of grabbed this thing and made it his own and he's going to fall on his sword one way or another when it comes to bragg's it here but least he's in braced it it seems to me and you gentlemen in the u.k. are more familiar with it than i am but there seems to me legally there's not much out there that can actually really stop him he's going to get this done. ideal or

not go ahead john well they're out there to straighten the nation's political issues under way right no action is being wished to test the legality or at least trying to quotes. so we don't know that question egypt to be determined and of course essentially has added a bit of dynamism a book oddity of girls there are also a kind of took office that was severely lacking and not contrast to any realm that was treaties or me with his base but given what he's trying to do in the last week or so or that you will try to use a queen to give them permission to suspend parliament for 5 weeks early and get a new rx it that's all changed and i think. that opinion is an issue shall be against them i don't think there's huge appetite for going back to the me and i certainly someone who supported me in an election in the referendum purely because not because i support you but because i believe this is a case of computer be worse than it is east but i think this is a shift towards a new khushi a bricks rather than an axe i think that it's

a tuple which most people are standing on this issue at this current moment table of course there's a huge amount of bricks at the cheek in a country people want to see this resolved one way or the other tired of talking about it and i think he's i mean there's a lot of criticism for the raid that she dilly dallying along with her team or these past 3 years and he's feeling causations with the y. o. a let me go to you in paris i'm sick and tired of talking about brags it is well i mean from the president position in europe i mean this bill may delay a 3 months 6 months i mean you need to cut the gordian knot ok and i would suspect since boris johnson and his supporters are determined to have egg rags and executed then make it the 31st and be done with it i mean why i keep delaying it ok i mean uncertainty is the worst thing in politics go ahead in paris yes i think the one thing thing and putting them in the united kingdom is. throw the

world forwards all democracy but on your matters british policy and british. democracies are total failure they didn't want to go in the beginning you know in the confidence of missin the. confidence of roman $57.00 they didn't want to draw on the common market they tried to do something a competitor of the government which didn't work so when they realise it in work they are asked twice. to for a while they're going to the common market solve the goal refused twice then they insisted again and again and finally the and then they needed a new refund and and then thatcher came and said oh but i don't like the rules i have to change their own and so on and so we made you know they didn't want to and to you know so it's a wavering and now they decided by a refund under them to leave but even to leave it's complicated with them i mean

after 3 years they don't know what they want and the house of commons does not know what it wants and so i think at least with boris johnson we have. square policy i don't believe that it is the interest of britain to leave the european union but it is britain's problem and britain's decision but at least. in my view is doing square and the stand of all politics. let me go to alistair i reflect about what we just heard from our guest in paris interesting go ahead yeah yeah i think the thing to understand here is the shift that's taken place over the course of the last 3 years we have the referendum in 2016 the political class were overwhelmingly for remaining within the european union. and

the vote went against them so it came as a real shock to them the initial response from to raise the mayor's as been say it was one of fundamental a damage limitation in terms of how the how britain withdrew from the european union she wanted to moderate the way that we withdrew so that we could retain as many links as possible and stay in sync with with our european partners the problem that she's hard and the problem that boris faces just now is that the damage limitation he's faced with is the very existence of the conservative party because the people have taken against to raise amaze. poor attempt to leave and have continued to exert pressure on us to have a break from the european union so boris is forced into the situation of desperately trying to leave in the 31st of october because he has he has the challenge of keeping his own party together personally i'm not convinced that he wants a new deal breaks that i think this is a ploy for him to come back with some sort of moderated version of the withdrawal

agreement which i don't think will be overly different but which he can hold up and say well this is what i've won we're going to leave so i think you know his problem is a tricky one and the situation we're in just now is that in a way the middle ground the more moderate positions fall apart as remain as have become ever more confident that they can push towards a situation of revolt and those that want brakes that have been forced by the remain pressure to avoid leaving to go for ever more radical solutions which has ended up with the desire for a clean breakfast or no breaks its or however you want to phrase it ok well it's there it's very interesting here i like what you said you went with the you have been the moderate views on both sides of the issue kind of fading away but that's what makes october 31st day or do were die in a many ways for both sides here or a gentleman after a short break. continue our discussion on the break stay with us. tries

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a lot of talk here that the you know we you came will drift into the us or bit because we have people like secretary of state mike pompei i just sensually drooling over the possibility about a new trade agreement with the u.k. which of course will have all those political attachments to it would they deal with foreign policy i mean is this something that's going to happen because i think a lot of people on both sides of this issue say britain ok and stand alone it's going to have to choose one side. is that really an outcome that a lot of people that voted in the referendum are interested in seeing happen go ahead john no i don't think it is and i think that's why there was a lot of opposition over into part of johnson's attempt to root through you know the overexert because of the trauma and ministration you know the term their mission has been in both antipathy towards multilateral institutions and multinational trade in blocks and they prefer to deal in by lead to the on a bilateral basis no the all seeing rules that only the strong can compromise and

all of the ready equals can reach agreement look good and does come cold and shivering out of the e.u. are there any deal that it will be vulnerable to any day tasks that don't trump then pushes on and you see from this past week he slipped out as not only on america's adversaries but also had it on its allies canada and france so everyone's greatly worried about what this would intil for britain going forward clearly what is about the future of the n.h.s. a national health service which is a free health service at the point of need was introduced by the course for liberal government and is a shining example of social solidarity and action and people are worried about how this survived in the trunk gets his hands on it because we know that the us health corporations are see the n.h.s. as a glittering price and boris johnson has secured get given get into the spare will guarantee that the n.h.s. would be see it but how can he do that for sure conditions on the cheap deal with us in the u.k. of course predicts a future will be imposed by us more than we buy and so yes i think people are

rightly concerned about donald trump's. intentions towards britain in the event of one of the direction i think that is feeding a lot of the opposition even on objects that sent to the prospect of a new and your predecessor of course or no let me go back to paris here i mean i really appreciate how you characterize the u.k. 3 nation ship of the year you were european union for during and i want to go out after what kind. of relationship what kind of constructive relationship do you think the e.u. will have with the u.k. post bragg's it i mean i'm sure that between france and britain the defense cooperation will go on because it's very important you have to realise that britain and france are the 2 only nations in europe that are ready to fight that have soldiers ready to get killed to kill because an army is done for

that you know and we saw it everywhere was to it in bosnia for instance and other. armies in europe unfortunately are used for of or for some foreign operations if you like you can rely only on britain and france who are 2 nuclear powers who have a corporation in all fields of military including the nuclear field so i think that britain will remain a very strong partner in defense to front as far as the special relationship with america of course it will go on but you have to remember remembers something that they's a big difference between some and boris johnson that you saw in bed it's boris johnson said openly that is pro free trade when of course is

a protectionist and then also boyce would have to remember that british people is a proud people and they don't like when it's too open to clear that britain is the pool of the united states and when it became too poor to clear you know in you remember this summit in some part of the book when when w. bush called blair or your. ask him to pull to his seat remember that scene and because of that. the labor party actually and britain fired tony blair as the prime minister because they cannot british people is a proud people and they will not be the poodle of america and you have seen that in the broad our prices in this grace one iran and ship that. america for another you know.

british accident again the iranian ship and britain well you. will not be a total prudence i mean legally it's a really good example let me go to our excellent example but if and as i mentioned if a new trade deal between the u.k. and the united states is dictated by the united states then you're not going to have that kind of freedom here i'm thinking about iran for example where france has the european position and the u.k. would be open to a lot of pressure by the united states to side with it when it's a very unpopular policy around the world the british the british would be reduced to having to have to follow orders and i think again that's something that's not really been discussed very much i'm on the brakes it's i don't get me wrong ok but there are a geo political implications of it go ahead alister. well yeah the huge geopolitical implications i mean i think though the thing is that if we come out of the european

union with anything approaching a clean break where we have the ability to make our own policies are and then to enter into negotiations then we're in a better position than the decisions been handed down from norbanus ation which we're part of but which as a people as a demo swede never really hard any possibility of contributing to the making of so there's lots of scare stories yes but i think we should take. we should we should look at the positive side of this of being able to. interact on something approaching our as a starting point on our own terms and obviously compromises will need to follow and all of these things but ultimately if you're talking trade then we've got companies in britain and companies in america and throughout the european union that want to make products and want to sell them at a profit so there's

a certain logic in that which will lead to compromises we shouldn't be afraid of that on the political side i think we have we have some big decisions to be made but the important thing i think to remember is that even within the european union just no it's not all harmony good from parts of the european union that think different things it's a league wants with china germany more that's where i want to go here that's exactly where i want to go john what the what are the things that brussels is so infuriated by briggs that is because it sets a precedent and always a tappy in the european home ok and i think all of us would agree with that but once one gets out it creates a model for others to think at least start thinking about it in i think that's one of the reasons why brussels was so rigid with the u.k. and they were actually quite. or to have such a weakling is in may so but the president will be there and it's something that the

the mandarins in brussels certainly have to be thinking about go ahead john. oh yeah touching on one nor scent of a grown b. in our akun initializer where in europe over the last 4044 years of us involvement in european union it's been a mutation but also source completely also missed under this process because it's stuck to a rigid object lighting not making any alone for the sight of the little skepticism across europe as noted become a mainstream political current. when it is always on the margins only the savini course in government which is indeed in italy or by and only the rise of marie le pen and get rollers and all and then of course bricks are so brussels as events norse anal willing to perform its institutions or form its practices and democratize and sorting is a key source that when well will monetary an absolute right you don't would suffer a lot of damage if you came or to leave the 6th largest economy or 1st but largest

economy 34 percent of all u.k. imports are from the e.u. $46.00 of all you can export judee e.u. so that would be a sizeable chunk taken out specially in germany come manufacturers who have a big stick and what happens with this breaks it process so and also has a lot of prestige around the world and has and its potence would be under we we know that people that mccrone want to see the e.u. politicized and to move towards being a super state i think it's part of the reader never largely because of the e.u.'s handling of this process and the us for the units on which we're not to touch the point that was one of the best things that britain did was not to enter you know who that ended up not that's testament to the foresight of golden brown who recently but chancellor 10 years ago and made that decision not to enter leaders on american contradictions that are you know one does not lead in order to begin but it's that if you have a little model that sustains your opinion that is incomplete and not ok russia let's talk about that little or no that's go back to you in paris what is the

biggest lesson from this whole break for experience from the continent's perspective go ahead. you know. i interviewed the friend secretary last he had was when he go in on the lawn of his embassy in paris and you know what he told me at the end of of the individual finally. charles the gold was right yes it bothered us like 60 years of that i finally saw the man was right. i'm not. you know it's amazing. when you find other jobs ago was right but. no i think that. the the your opinion is not in such a bad state you like it or not you know is a really good competitor for dollar it's a very strong currency it's used by everybody is getting stronger and stronger

people said 5 or 10 years ago you know will die i don't see the death of you at all you are you are telling us that. europe is not united yes there is fights among you know but not so such big fights because i remember that the italia and said funds and on the on the on the sanctions towards the russia that they would they would they would they would vote against the sanctions and you need only one you would have been in country to say we don't want the sanctions to go on and you have no most european sanctions against russia they the talents did not do that so you still add some kind. of unity and politically i think that the your opinion union is actually in a better state than the you like it or at river aren't you gentlemen would buy a rocket out of china who sparked a run out of time i don't want to realize that i want to repeat the most important

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