sure i don't think it is inevitable no i think it may be more inevitable it will see the end or distortions very short term in government it's a general election does come to pass that his statement that you know say the commons and i'm seeing is planned for parliamentary procedure to ascertain whether he will get as we get breaks it delivered on a technical support or what it reminded me of neglect church issues and to missed last speech and because. the illusion it years of the protests was almost succeeded in germany and foresters eventually this is a tory establishment in complete and utter traces unable to loot and the all we and i think to create is no maturity but it's beyond directional remain and even beyond you don't know about this corny a relic of the british state and i don't really stand on the ground of socialism or solidarity with jeremy gordon john mcdonald at all or only get over this but. john i mean it respect about we feel about it it's still on the agenda here let me go to reno in paris i mean what what could boris johnson get from the europeans from

brussels that to resume couldn't ok because he's saying he's still open for a deal even if that window is only a matter of days that are open go ahead in paris. no i don't think that he will get anything because for 2 reasons number one the big countries are really fed up with this brit this is it the sions that as it is in that you know are like 60 years old so they're really fed up and they're 2nd think it's too complicated to have like 27. countries agree on the new proposal because for foreign affairs matters you need the. so technically the techniques of a european union it's too complicated so boris johnson well not get an. thing more

he has been told that by. and by emmanuel mccourt in paris ok the same thing to you i mean it respective of how democratic or undemocratic the tories gambit is here it is ramming it through it but boris johnson and his associates will say but this is what people voted for and he's just doing the will of the people irrespective of well it's a bit devious but then politics and being devious are synonymous so go ahead alistair in london well yeah i think that's that's correct that he's he's acting on a democratic mandate and he's trying to get to a situation where the u.k. actually leaves the european union the problem just now and the problem that he's got in terms of concluding any of these arrangements by the 31st of october is that steadily uneven and rapidly the rulebook has been torn arpan terms of how politics works there's all sorts of constitutional issues being arranged with

parliament grabbing hold of the order book and determining the order of business the legal challenges to what to his capacity to get us out so i think all bets are off just now in terms of whether he can get us out by the 31st of october and you know you could argue that and indeed i would argue that those people who want to delay breaks it in fact want to do much more than that they want to actually stop that and right from the outset the mechanisms to stop breaks at those are have always been posed in a kind of democratically friendly way but the mass the real intent which is really to stop the exits away other let's say with intentions i like that look this go back to admiral john i mean to resume was the worst person possible to negotiate briggs because he didn't believe in it ok she wasn't she was there. remainder now

we have boris johnson which with very kind of a checkered past he's really kind of grabbed this thing and made it his own and he's going to fall on a sword one way or another when it comes to bragg's in here but least he's in braced it and it seems to me and you gentlemen in the u.k. are more familiar with it than i am but there it seems to me legally there's not much the out there that can actually really stop him he's going to get this done deal or not go ahead john well they're out there to straighten the nation's political issues under way ready right no action is being wished to test the legality or at least trying to quotes. so we don't know that question egypt to be determined and of course essentially has added a bit of dynamism a book oddity of girls there are also a kind of to a caucus that was severely lacking and not contrast to any realm that was treaties or me with his base but given what he's trying to do in the last week or so if you will trying to use a queen to give them permission to suspend parliament for 5 weeks really get. it

that's all changed and i think. that opinion is an issue shall be against them i don't think there's huge appetite for going back to the me and i certainly someone who supported her being in the election and the referendum purely because not because i support you but because i believe this is a case of computer be worse than it is east but i think there's a shift towards a new khushi a bricks rather than an x. i think that it's a tuple which most people are standing on this issue at this current moment take both course there's a huge amount of breaks at the key in a country people want to see this resolved one way or the other tired of talking about it and i think he's i mean there's a lot of criticism for the way that she dilly dallying along with her team or these past 3 years and he's dealing causations with the well iowa let me go to you in paris i'm sick and tired of talking about brags it is well i mean from the president position in europe i mean if this bill a delaying 3 months 6 months i mean one. you need to cut the gordian knot ok

and i would suspect since boris johnson and his supporters are determined to have brakes it executed they didn't make it the 31st and be done with it i mean why i keep delaying it ok i mean uncertainty is the worst thing in politics go ahead and paris yes i think so the worst thing and put exam in the united kingdom is admired throw the world for its old democracy but on european matters british policy and british. democracies are total failure they didn't want to go do the beginning you know in the confidence of missin the. confidence of rome in $57.00 they didn't want to draw on the common market they tried to do something a competitor of the government which didn't work so when they realise it in work they are asked twice. too for

a while they're going to common market solve the goal refused twice then they insisted again and again and finally the and then they needed a new refund and and then thatcher came and said oh but i don't like the rules i have to change their own and so on and so we made you know that didn't want to tell you too so it's a wavering and now they decided by a refund i'm to leave but even to leave it's complicated with them i mean after 3 years they don't know what they want and the house of commons does not know what it wants and so i think at least with boris johnson we have. square policy i don't believe that it is the interest of britain to leave the european union but it is britain's problem and britain's decision but at least.

in my view is doing square and the down the ball politics norm's let me go to our dear i reflected by what we just heard from our guest in paris interesting go ahead yeah yeah i think the thing to understand here is the shift that's taken place over the course of the last 3 years we have the referendum in 2016 the political class were overwhelmingly for remaining within the european union and the vote went against them so it came as a real shock to them the initial response from to raise the mayor's as been say it was one of the mentally damage limitation in terms of how the britain withdrew from the european union she wanted to moderate the way that we withdrew so that we could retain as many links as possible and stay in sync with with our european partners the problem that she's hardened the problem that boris faces just now is that the damage limitation that he's faced with is the very existence of the conservative party because the people have taken against to raise amaze. poor attempt to

leave and have continued to exert pressure on us to have a break from the european union so boris is forced into the situation of desperately trying to leave in the 31st of october because he has he has the challenge of keeping his own party together personally i'm not convinced that he wants a new deal breaks out i think this is a ploy for him to come back with some sort of moderated version of the withdrawal agreement which i don't think will be overly different but which he can hold up and say well this is what i've won we're going to leave so i think you know his problem is a tricky one and the situation we're in just now is that in a way the middle ground the more moderate positions fall apart there remain us have become ever more confident that they can push towards a situation of revolt and those that want breaks its. being forced by the remaining

pressure to avoid leaving to go for ever more radical solutions which has ended up with the desire for a clean breakfast or no bricks or however you want to phrase it ok well it's there it's very interesting here i like what you said you went with the you have the in the moderate views on both sides of the issue kind of fading away but that's what makes october 31st they are due were die in a many ways for both sides here are a gentleman after a short break we'll continue our discussion break stay with us. i'm

. ready ready ready ready sure need to stop at the continuing to grow. i just never know very good about the idea of bringing children into the world because i didn't feel like things were in very good shape that a life was just going to be a lot of software program. there's no reason the more. you take things that are already made the. move is a myth something else that you need to get rid of to everybody's scared to talk that is certifiable is really dependent on us addressing this issue and if we can even talk about it every chance even have a conversation or that it then. we're in trouble

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on that i knew that that is the end of it for the team but for now the mountains of waste only grow higher. welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to mind we're discussing bragg's it. let's go back to john in edinburgh ok let's work under the assumption that brags it occurs it's on october 31st or january 31st of next year it's happened outside our supposition right here there's a lot of talk here that the you know we do you k. will drift into the us or bit because we have people like secretary of state mike pompei are just essentially drooling over the possibility of a new trade agreement with the u.k. which of course will have all those political attachments to it with

a deal with foreign policy i mean is this something that's going to happen because i think a lot of people on both sides of this issue say britain can't stand alone it's going to have to choose one side is that really an outcome that a lot of people that voted in the referendum are interested in seeing happen go ahead john no i don't think it is and i think that's why it was a lot of opposition. to route through new directions because of the trauma administration you know the children initiation and both antipathy towards multilateral institutions and multinational taken blokes look at their studio and by led to the no biological basis no the all seeing rules that only the strong can compromise at all it equals can reach agreement does come cold and shivering out of the e.u. are there any deal that it will be evil no. to any day tasks that trump causes on and you see from this past week he slipped out as not only your america's adversaries but also on its allies canada and france so ready everyone's greatly

worried about what this would intil for britain going forward clearly what is about the future of the n.h.s. a national health service which is a free health service at the point of it was introduced by the course for liberal government and is a shining example of social solidarity and action and people are worried about how this survived its trunk gets his hands on it because we know that the us corporations are see the n.h.s. as a glittering price and johnson has given guarantees bearable guarantees of the n.h.s. we see it but how can he do that for sure conditions on the cheap deal with us in the e.u. he of course predicts. future will be imposed by us more than we buy and so yes i think people are rightly concerned about donald trump's. intentions towards britain in the event of a new direction i think that is feeding a lot of the opposition even on it wrecks it sent to the prospect of and you gregson of course or no let me go back to paris here i mean i really appreciate how

you characterize the u.k.'s relationship with the euro you were european union for during and i want to go out after what kind of relationship what kind of constructive relationship do you think the e.u. will have with the u.k. post bragg's it i mean i'm sure that between france and britain the defense cooperation will go on because it's very important you have to realize that britain and france are the 2 only nations in europe that are ready to fight that have thought to the ready to get killed one to kill because an army is done for that you know and we saw it everywhere we threw it in both now for instance. and other. armies in europe unfortunately use that for for some foreign operations if you like you can rely only on

britain and france who are 2 nuclear powers who have a corporation in all fields of military including the nuclear field so i think that britain will remain a very strong partner in defense 2 fronts as far as the special relationship with america of course it will go on but you have to remember remembers something that they's a big difference between some and boris johnson that you saw in ballots boris johnson said openly that is pro free trade when of course is a protectionist and then also boyce would have to remember that british people is a proud people and they don't like when it's too open to clear that britain is the pool of the united states and when it became too poor to clear you know in you

remember this summit in some part of the book when when w. bush called blair or your boss asked him to come like a poodle to his seat you remember that scene and because of that. the labor party actually and britain fired tony blair as the prime minister because they cannot british people it is a proud people and they will not be the poodle of america and you have seen that in the g brought our prices in this grace one iranian ship that. america asked for another you know. british action against the iran. in britain well yeah but. it will not be the top of the. it's a really good example let me go to alex that's an excellent example but if and as i

mentioned if a new trade deal between the u.k. and the united states is dictated by the united states then you're not going to have that kind of freedom here i'm thinking about iran for example where france has the european position and the u.k. would be open to a lot of pressure by the united states to side with it when it's a very unpopular policy around the world the british the british would be reduced to having to have to follow orders and i think again that's something that's not really been discussed very much i'm on the brakes it's i don't get me wrong ok but there are a geo political implications of it go ahead allister. well yeah the huge geopolitical implications i mean i think though the thing is that if we come out of the european union with anything approaching a clean break where we have the ability to make our own policies are and then to enter into negotiations then we're in a better position than the decisions been handed down from. which we're

part of but which as a people as a demo swedes never really hard any possibility of contributing to the making of so there's lots of scare stories yes but i think we should take. we should we should look at the positive side of this of being able to interact on something approaching our as a starting point on our own terms and obviously compromises will need to follow and all of these things but ultimately if you're talking trade then we've got companies in britain and companies in america and throughout the european union that want to make products and want to sell them at a profit so there's a certain logic in that which will lead to compromises we shouldn't be afraid of that on the political side i think we have we have some big decisions to be made but the important thing i think to remember is that even within the european union just no it's not all harmony is good from parts of the european union the think

different things it's a league wants with china that germany was honestly where i want to go here that's exactly where i want to go john what the what are the things that brussels is so infuriated by briggs that is because it sets a precedent and always a tappy in the european home ok and i think all of us would agree with that but once one gets out it creates a model for others to think at least start thinking about it and i think that's one of the reasons why brussels was so rigid with the u.k. and they were actually quite fortunate to have such a weakling is in may so but the president will be there and it's something that the mandarins in brussels certainly have to be thinking about go ahead joe. oh yeah touching on woman nor scent of a grown being are a coon in x. that's a rare in europe over the last 4044 years of us involvement in european union it's been a mutation but also source completely also missed under this process because it's

stuck to a rigid of shooter lane and not making any low end for the side of the little skepticism crush it up as nodes become a mainstream political current. when it is always on the margins only the savini course in government which is indeed in italy or by and only the rise of marie le pen and get rollers and all and then of course bricks or so brussels has advanced norse anal of willing to perform its institutions or form its practices and democratize and sorting is a case of that when well will monetary an absolute right you don't suffer a lot of damage if you came or to leave the 6th largest economy or 1st but largest economy 34 percent of all you keep imports are from the e.u. $46.00 of all you can export judy e.u. so that would be a sizeable chunk taken out specially in germany come manufacturers who have a big stick and what happens with this breaks it process so and also has

a lot of prestige around the world and its and its potence would be under we we know that people that mccrone want to see the e.u. politicized and to move towards being a super state i think it's part of the reader never largely because of the e.u.'s handling of this process and here as for the uterus on which we're not to touch the point that was one of the best things that britain did was not to enter you know who that ended up not that's testament to the foresight of court and brown who recently a chance to look 10 years ago and made that decision not to enter leaders or pursue medical contradictions that are you know one does not lead in order to begin but it's to be a little model that sustains your opinion that is incomplete and not ok russia let's talk about that little or no that's go back to you in paris what is the biggest lesson from this whole brave group it's for experience from the continent perspective go ahead. you know. i interviewed the friend secretary last he had was when he go in on the lawn of his embassy in paris and you know what he told me at the end of of the individual finally.

charles the gold was right yes it bothered us like 60 years of that i finally saw the man was right. i'm not. you know it's amazing. when you find other jobs ago was right but. no i think that. the. your opinion is not in such a bad state you like it or not you know is a really good competitor for dollar it's a very strong currency it's used by everybody is getting stronger and stronger people said 5 or 10 years ago you know will die i don't see the death of you at all you are you are telling us that. europe is not united yes there is fights among you know but not so so such big fights because i remember that the

italia in the said funds and on the on the on the sanctions was russia that they would they would they would they would vote against the sanctions and you need only one you would have been a country to say we don't want the sanctions to go on and you have no most european sanctions against russia they the talents did not do that so you still add some kind. of unity and politically i think that the your opinion union is actually in a better state than the you like it or at river aren't you gentlemen would by iraq that in spite of the run out of time and i don't want to realize that i want to repeat the most important sentence of this program goal was right ok many thanks to my guest in paris london and. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. unix i mean remember. during

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