happened and the people overthrew the imperial power in china they said forget the debts but now the u.s. might revive that's because people have bought them buying them like e bay is a collector's item to address micron's comments and bill buckley's comments right that's plays into the dual theme we've been talking about for a few months globalization the dollar is a shoe right so the loss of western germany that steamy globalization this came in with trump and 2016 and he the idea of monitor is ation the global central banks cooperating to put out a currency unit of account that was better than gold is a 6070 year experiment that is now collapsing which is leading to d. dollars ation as b. countries like russia move aggressively away from the dollar and buy gold and big globalization simultaneously as far as these chinese debts that were issued 19 a leaven or 9009 $111.00 and are now being sought after for for repayment i would

imagine what would happen is that simply u.s. will default on some bonds to china. approximately a trillion dollars worth and claim that well we're just making good on the debt so you owe us to use to justify a default again de dollars ation well yes there are some weird people involved in this some crazy texan sort of pastors and stuff like that and they are encouraging that they're claiming that with inflation an exchange rates in history that is actually worth a trillion dollars with by the way happens to be how much debt that china owes that owns of the u.s. so they own a trillion dollars with the treasuries and like let's just cancel it out but you mention the localization and for thousands of years we've gone through globalization and then d. globalization globalization d. globalization we've we've gone through these constant cycles humans constantly do that assistance we do this in markets that. why technical analysis and sort of that

sort of thing also when you look at the history of globalization our empires rising and falling as happens we go through enlightenment and e.m.i. in meant so i think this is what you're seeing with what mccrone is responding to when he says it's the end of western hedge of money what he's saying is that like the sun kings before him before the us empire that we might not call them emperors or caesar's or our kings but they do act like it with caprice it become very capricious and random and ok we've worked on this you know huge nuclear deal with iran now it's gone forget it you can't deal with them like randomly assigning like enemy status to countries and saying no you have to end all your trade deals with them and destroy your own economy because you're going to use a dollar and we're going to shut it down so this is part of the what he's responding to de globalization is also the d.m.

lightman cycles are natural they happen historical cycles through a 100 year cycles 1000 year cycles the concept of having a central bank like the federal reserve bank is an attempt to neutralize these cycles and say look we recognize there's a thing called the business cycle and when things get hot we're going to raise interest rates and when things get slow there's a recession when to lower interest rates to mitigate the amplitude of the cycles to have a steadily growing economy with price stability that's the mandate of the central bank but what's happened over greenspan when the markets crashed then he was they went in they created the plunge protection team with a working group on finance to keep a perpetual rolling bull market and to get rid of the business cycle to favor a perpetual nirvana for wall street and this is. a supposed greenspan bernanke yellen here we have jay powell is now taking it upon them so. not only to get her

in the business cycle but to actually challenge the president by saying we're going to adjust our interest rate policies in to try to take you out of office so not only if they abandon their mandate of price stability and counter business cycle ball cities but they have been just decided that they are a 5th branch of government right so that's not in the constitution that's way way off the constitution that is to type tyrannical 1st of all when they since 1970 have the divine right of banks they've established this and it's now solidified that they are divine they have the right to exist beyond all others they don't have to abide by the laws of that common man has to abide by about going bankrupt and things like that the doesn't happen to the sun kings of wall street so it to be clear i know that there are 3 branches of government but i all i often clue the press is the stated force the 4th as i refer to them as trying to be the 5th ok construct and commenters you go go go ok since we're talking about the fed i'll say

this us president donald trump's trade war with china keeps undermining the confidence of businesses and consumers worsening the economic outlook this manufactured disaster in the making presents the federal reserve with a dilemma should it mitigate the damage by providing offsetting stimulus or refuse to play along if the ultimate goal is a healthy economy at the fed should seriously consider the latter approach and he actually goes on to say it like there's even an argument that the election itself falls within the fed's purview. but you know before you comment on that i want to say that because i'd like to compare it for what is going on of france and where we are were home here in paris and france and you know when the divine right of kings and it here and it was a very brutal ending to the divine right of kings will say when this sort of situation when france was on the verge of bankruptcy thanks very much france because they went bankrupt because we there was a gold standard then and they used their gold to finance the american revolution but that was good for us but they went bankrupt and why. what did john law suggest

they do open the books he showed the books of the divine casing to the people they publish and all the people of france read it and suddenly the king is like an ordinary person out you know he bought some toilet tissue he went. to safeway or tesco it you know there was an ordinary thing but also like the extravagance of his life and the courts life was suddenly so shocking to the people so here's that fed basically opening up their books it's like oh we're independents and we're like the clergy we're just you know funneling the messages from the economic gods but now they're saying no we're going to read the system we're going to overthrow the government we're going to like install our own puppet banker right the fed would like us believe that there is policy and economics behind what they do yes and they have dots and they get all of the dots yes and they get together these concepts like jackson hole and they discuss economics when in fact they're politically motivated hatchet guys who are there to protect the bankers and make sure that

their friends do not obey the rule of law and not sure it's about the king being shown his true accounting so much as opening the kimono oh yes they are revealing that this kooky theater of central banking is a very unpleasant looking gangly before so you know how each nation has a unique cultural sensitivity to things that have traumatized them in the past so germany germans are very sensitive to inflation because they know where it took them as a people russia is very insensitive to invasions they've been invaded by napoleon by by the nazis they don't like it and in france they're very sensitive to the people rising up and bringing out the getting so finally ending on mccrone he says the world order is being shaken like never before it's being shaken because of errors made by the west and. in crises but also by the choices made by the united

states in the past few years and not just by the current administration and he then went on to say pushing russia way from europe is a profound strategic mistake essentially suggesting we're doing this because of us politics and not about pushing them into the arms of china which is going to be a disaster for europe but we don't live in paris many years you know there's more statues sirup thomas jefferson maximillian robespierre don't find anything max millionaires now he won the 19th or something and yet he's the architect of the revolution the reign of terror some could say he went a little bit too far he did what had to be done. he equated. read it read his work and the will is you lay tional pick up the mantle of war that's the rub spear that's my question that's what matt ront that's what macro on is worried about and that's what he's seeing and yes you should he's having to plan his own survival so this was going off saying i mean you know get

a get out the you know either leave the country or face the consequences i mean that everyone here is on the cusp of this type of revolution god bless them i support them i'll be won't be here of course he'll be rope spear modern day blog but i support oh you got to go take a break and when we come back it'll be like a drop of a good scene on this and then we come back in a roll and through the 2nd row. and crosstalk started 10 years i think it's time to shake things up maybe change the branding maybe the format here is what i've been thinking about next season related episodes filmed on an island with 10 experts cited out for it what do you think. ok

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just contact these folks of the increment welcome back hi nice to see you again let's get into part 2 here i wanted to touch briefly on the interest scene in rivalry between the gold bugs and the crips the bugs versus the crips and you know you have folks that are hardcore gold bugs and they don't like the big crowds some and big throwing rocks or whatever at the gold bugs that you are straddling both worlds what are they getting wrong well. i try not to be dogmatic in the sense in this debate at least so. i think bitcoin is obviously a great invention it has done a lot for men con already in my view at least if not. at least if not it will become perhaps in like one part of the extreme scenario a new global reserve currencies but if that shouldn't materialize and it goes to 0

because there is something better comes up but we go back to gold so whatever it did least has brought up a huge conversation into the young people what for your money is what money is and i think ideas actually form future so it's important that people really think about their ideas so so that i created a lot well let me play devil's advocate for a 2nd or in this case i only play peter schiff the advocate cell peter chef who's a prominent anti bitcoin and gold bug person will say well of bitcoin is just another fee at money he doesn't see it as hard money as commodity money at all so and you are business think big quite an institutional accounts i mean they're buying a lots and lots of it in the institutional money is pouring into because this is not no it's not a hobby for. cypherpunks anymore this is becoming a factor in global finance it's changing the global financial architecture so

what do you what do you say well i think in both cases like an alternative store of value is kind of the final insurance policy for central banking system which has going crazy so if if if you have negative rates and never negative for you then bonds more and more 17 trillion and increasing but they then you need some place to hide and then people really i think think about what is money what could service money. in terms of stock the flow rate should both it's really very hard money. people realize ok this this could serve a spot of store over the and i won't be from a put for your management view want to be dogmatic i would be pragmatic and i think one can play this very well in the combined book folio one other than have to bet

the house an idea of these so it's actually quite. easy thing to play and i think these debates look goes back to austrian school of economics doesn't mean it's calm anger as an idea of money what is money if it it's all subjective anyway and if the market says because it has money and it has the attributes of gold and that's it's a limited supply people use it as money and it's fungible is tangible it's divisible it has every quality you want of gold then it is money it's just a fall if he claimed i don't understand how austrian school economic honest can not see this as money yeah i agree so many to say exactly what you just know told to you so i think sometimes mieses regression theory mistaken as like a counter argument because mrs kind of stated that you need. a commodity 1st something that which is often called in my view falsely called intrinsic value you

need some some good which has a value 1st that then it can perhaps become money but i think the main garion argument actually trumps that i think so too darn it i like to go on record that mrs argument i think a short sighted and clearly he didn't see 2 things there was no such thing as negative interest rates during these this time right and there was nothing called pick on and based crypto currencies so he is he's been trumped by big quine now let's move on so russia russia's central bank has been buying gold quite aggressively month after month year after year what do you think's going on there well it's very interesting i mean that's developed that this development has been going on for 10 years now they feeling this very on the consequent basis and they're actually going to overtake italy and france is number. 3 and 4 of international gold hold us in within the next month and there's very little

debt and they have very little of us doubt that titchy d.p.t. right so so that's quite an interesting busy development i think that will be big news when russia becomes the largest gold hole this probably at the end of the year beginning of next year some time then you have really us germany and russia china is not that transparent obviously with with their holdings there could be a little bit ahead already knows the big story with the globalization and the dollar as asian people are russia are saying look we don't want to be in the dollar because it's. we're tired of the censoring you know we want to do business and there's a school that was thought that tells you that putin's main objective sense of taking the presidency in russia is to do deals he's a pro-business he wants to do deals around the world that's his primary objective because he realized that's how to grow g.d.p. in that. everything he does reflects that and if he's censored by the spurious

sanctions based on extraordinary thin political grewal he's like ok forget it we'll just dump the dollar will be used gold will be like gold will seek other ways to do business we just want to do business you would think america being pro-business there would be a natural alliance but america seems to be really kind of reverting into a shell of no business but you know i know when people on the 1st. episode that we did you know of course there are going to be comments in there that says this guy sounds like arnold schwarzenegger now you must get that a lot and why is that correct yeah. some comas somebody even said i'm out so they go for strong economic so i'm ok with. it did with achieved quite a few things so you have to get a that's not a bad thing. all right so not only did mark carney call for a post dollar world right so mark carney central bank said he said get out of the

dollar ok this is after russia's been accumulating gold and position themselves for a post dollar world at the good dollar rise world now mark carney at the bank of england saying we need to get out of the dollar as a world reserve currency and he's looking at crypto what do you make of this idea that in america the federal reserve chairman jerome powell no you know it was bill dudley the former new york fred he wrote an op ed he says you know we got to stop trying from winning we can't lower rates so this is beyond activist fed this is gone cuckoo my personal view is that the independence of the central banks really hasn't existed. for at least a few decades for instance going back to george herbert walker bush him blaming greenspan for not being reelected because he didn't he didn't lower rates in one. and so and so so nixon even going back to nixon this is this was always like

a little bit of a game which now is. busy very obviously going on in one can just follow don't tweet easily so the president always wants lower rates generally speaking and sometimes the fed resists and sometimes it doesn't so in my view i think this whole discussion is overblown because i think. at the end of the day the market is pushing the fed so if the you could in which a test. the this is a much higher pressure than than any president pushing for lower use because really the main target of the fed or 4th of all the central banks is to keep the party going on and you really can't keep it going on if you have an inverted yield curve it's really flashlights going on so so so i think this is this is politics and a lot of power structure going back and forth but the end of the day the market has

to see right well on that point i must interject my thought here so to some degree the the central banks are a bit of a pullup bureau you know they're setting the price of the money and they have their thought was if we lower the price the money will create some inflation and that will create some tax revenue it will all pay off our debts instead they created deflation and they are sinking the global economy as now pundits are recognizing that negative interest rates and low interest rates are causing deflation not fighting deflation so it's not necessarily a market signal that they're getting it's more of a panic signal or let's say the minsky you know i'm in minsky and hysteria that markets start to feed on each other and you use the plated ass about you to borrow money to inflate the ass again until you have that minsky moment of a crash where was 1900. in the bond market 93 dot com in 2001 subprime mortgage 2008 and i think we're at

a minsky moment right now do you agree with that and if so where will it pop up or will we see it we and others have been talking about the everything bubble and everything bubble is perhaps the ha stage of a series of bubbles which. a few of them you mention just know that everything bubble is probably in its sent to the bones the bone bubble and if you have 17 trillion bones with with negative feuds what if not that is a clear indication of a bubble right so i mean. austria-hungary empire going back a few 100 years that the interest rates have not been this low in the bonds or at a higher price than they've ever been in 300 years so lichtenstein's been around for what 300 years you've never had a bond bubble this big in your entire history as a country where you think about that well the good thing about it doesn't have that so. there's a lot of people live there 38000 was the average. for capita that were.

high higher than cut cut cut or i guess oh wow we're moving similar anybody to enter the u.s. you know i just go there go when there is a brick and think and regine anyway look this book here has a lot of charts it has so many charts that mitch firestone called me in the middle of the night and said rush me a copy immediately because i'm dreaming about all the charts in this book to get back to kind of a global talk about rates and economics and things just cover briefly imagine stock to flow ratio in this kind of a cross crosses between big gold what is it how is important and in the house important because in a particular way of that's a good point and that's perhaps one of the very central points of off why we view gold to. frankly than for instance mainstream banks mainstream banks if they arrived in though this is about gold they usually have it in their commodity

commodity analysis department and this is just like supply and demand and allies supply and demand but the big difference is always the. gold supply is huge the. grown supply is huge that's basically the stock you're referring to. where is like oil or any other commodity you really just produce to. consume right so you hoard your hoards gold and the really good thing about gold is when you when you hoard it you keep it keeps its. prize i got above ground stock. in because i'm because the happening coming up in 2020 that the mining output is which is the flow versus the hoarding stock that people have the 1st that goes through a significant event correct brought it hops every 4 years and basically it's the

inverse of inflation i think that's a purpose and easier way to to realize it it's like 1.5 percent in with gold and austrian economists dream this is dream currency not to mention high it steady inflation everybody loves it even at lunchtime they love to coin now that's why we're moving there and getting a chalet in shots of these kind of pay for and because you can like this guy well we have to say goodbye but thanks for being on the counterpart place where we are that's going to focus this one of the cars reports me max kaiser stacy herman marc valid but our guest incremental get this book you get it for free and catch us on twitter account as a report or kaiser report dot com and we'll have a link to this book where you think about that it's all next time.

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