taliban were supposed to go to camp david and i guess maybe tie a bow on this again quote unquote peace process here i don't buy that story it was on the back of a taliban attack in one american was killed and 11 other people were killed that's the story of the last 18 years ok it was in the story of the last few days here my supposition is trump got cold feet because he doesn't know where it's going to go and it's not a political winner for him with the foreign policy blob not necessarily with the american people we can get into that go ahead charles what's your take. i think there's something in what you say here i don't think it's as it appears certainly i think trump has had misgivings as indeed as a lot of the us we can say foreign policy establishment of course trump is sometimes in not sometimes outside of that circle but i think he would share some of the views that he's been strongly pressured particular of the last few days and weeks even in the media a lot especially in the media as

a result of. these talks actually approaching even if it wasn't widely known that i would be approaching in this form there's concern of course that if the u.s. does indeed strike a deal with the taliban and the u.s. leaves that actually that will return afghanistan to taliban control it seems quite likely that would be the case but that's going to be the case whether america leaves today after 8 if they'd left 91015 years ago and so really i mean trump has got an election remember a manifest a commitment to end the u.s. war in afghanistan it's let's think back to a summary of that it's cost upwards of $1.00 trillion dollars over the last 18 years actually i mean even the pentagon puts it at $760000000000.00 it's cost $2.00 and a half 1000 u.s. lives another 1000 coalition lives not with and of course not to mention of course we will mention but so many won't mention $150000.00 afghans that have died since

the u.s. became involved and it's led to a situation that at this current time the taliban is pretty much more in control of afghanistan that it's been any time since 2001 and so really i mean trumps instincts i think as we often see and we often say that trumps instincts are right here but i think that possibly he has seen this attack as an opportunity to. clarify what the american position is going to be you know. this is just delaying the inevitable ok you know we should. i think intelligently. in in 2001 go in destroy al qaeda and get out it was should have been a police action a crime was committed then you do police action and then you would draw from it the reason why the. us allies agreed to join this operation but i agree. with that it's a big problem for trying because it was during his campaign between 2016 he was

against the war in iraq and it was through. this time that you promised a victory so it didn't promise deal with taliban but it's obvious that it's very interesting if you look what victories does he have ok deemer and i think this is exactly what thinking is is that he didn't he didn't see with what was proposed to him i don't think it was his idea this was a proposal he didn't see a win either way going through with the deal or abandoning it ok he's looking for a better option but for the last 18 years there hasn't been very many good options except for one get out several clearwell it's the longest war in american history and let me give you a precise figures even according to wikipedia 2410 american military deaths almost 2 solvent civilian contractors killed in afghanistan this is just americans

there were also or there are now or 9000 european allies operating in afghanistan getting killed every day almost every day you know i especially if you're doing and historians and a lot of it's who went there with the soviet troops in the 8 s. who were stupid enough to go all the 2nd time with nato and the. reaction from the united states is just hilarious you know mike bell said there it was a success today al qaeda doesn't even amount to a shadow always for myself in afghanistan yet. it was displaced by the so-called islamic state which is even more dangerous about now we did leave it what have you lost 150000 deaths 5001 so it's you know it's go back to charles in london charles it seems to me that trumps move is actually a sign of weakness ok because he's showing that the taliban has the initiative and they are calling the shots and they're calling the timetable his reaction you know

this could last decades longer was a really a very lame reaction to it because it's not a proactive approach in resolving something that he said he wants resolved so i think again weakness out of this white house go ahead charles yes and also in the background i think recognizes that his positions week i mean he's obviously a very transactional personality he sees it in terms of transactions as he sees so much from the security relations and he sees here that if there is a deal to be struck he's got to appear tough notwithstanding that actually his position on the ground the u.s. position on the ground is extremely weak the taliban know that the u.s. knows that trumps knows that and so therefore pulling out of the last minute it's almost as if he's saying ok you need to deliver more in other words stop these attacks on u.s. troops and coalition and afghan troops if i'm going to hold a meeting with you but the problem is that of course actually it's him that wants the meeting in the white minivan more than that the taliban do the taliban know

that it's just a matter of time before the afghan government force and before the or that they get a deal with the afghan government which is very advantageous to the taliban and they know it's a matter of time before the u.s. is going to withdraw and again we'll return to the steam of the time frame of events and how america sees things in very short termism short term this way not withstanding that this is now 18 years and yet the enemy for the u.s. is prepared to sit a much longer and i've got a much greater stake in this i mean it's their country let's not forget this. and the taliban of course and the other point to make very quickly here is that it's being said of course yes america i've always said that america when it does leave will reframe the situation to portray it as a victory and we did we've seen this over the last couple of days as you mentioned it's been phrased as well framed as a victory over al qaida i mean pleased to some extent that's true but that was true in too but that was true in 2000 to 2002 they've been fighting the taliban you know

. the problem for washington. what would happen was we leave afghanistan because look at the other country in it was biggest turn in into many. russian chinese influence so the good. there of course of not good relations with china and with russia so it means as soon as they will leave afghanistan there would have been. and it also you know i mean the taliban after all this effort fighting al qaeda islamic state the american puppet government why in the world would they want to get in bed with al qaeda again ok there is no there's a logical reason for the members of that i mean he said that there is some basis for islamic state in afghanistan. by the

us were by the us so what they want the true the you know exactly what they do with their short term is couldn't agree more well it seems to me that this is about the 2nd part of our program this is about iran they want to have a position inside of quote unquote keep their eyes on a red it's always about iran in their region they're ok again with what the administration is talking about their talking points in the media's reaction to it is really irrelevant to what's going on go ahead me well indeed it's your. but you know the point about the central asian states they're less concerned. with the royal than the european states than america or you will russia you know if you listen to the statements from the. start they are. you know they fear americans more than the us because they know that taliban are only strong. in every game exactly they're no longer all in. these countries we're going to go to

charles finish up this block here charles say i'm old enough to remember i wasn't very old but i was old enough to remember the fall of saigon this is what history is repeating itself here because look the trumping ministration didn't even bring in the afghan government into these negotiations ok i mean because and we had a guest on card cross-eyed a few days ago an afghan himself and he said well we know the government will fail almost immediately after the americans leave but that was the 18 year investment in afghanistan finish it off go ahead charles yes and of course what trump and the us are trying to avoid. the scenes of people scrambling on to helicopters and leaving at the last minute which we saw in saigon and trying to avoid that with kabul if the afghan government can collapse and the taliban take over with america out of the way then america of course can say listen we invested all of this money all of this blood and treasure into afghanistan just like they said with iraq and then the afghans as they said about the iraqis they let us down we gave them every chance to

invest in democracy and indeed they defend america with 2 collapse so in other words it's another issue where america is largely created the situation and then when the inevitable consequence follows then blame the local people for it and that's what i'm trying to do here i suspect 20 seconds good. couldn't agree more again to. work with that we find a way. to use a little cup to to to go from the u.n. to say because you know but no one will ever be held accountable for the. 5 2nd statement yeah i just. meant is it going to be the same withdrawal as with syria the same pacing are going to jump in here we go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the real news state with.

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welcome back across the uk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok i want to go back to charles in london let's switch gears and talk about your rand maximum pressure well it's not working very well is it ok and this is been the whole problem with the trump administration's approach specifically. with regards to iran it doesn't ever have any other options in this is was putting trump in a bind because in a bind with afghanistan obama in with john not in syria bind in iran and we do there are there are there is gossip and there are some whispers that trump obviously isn't satisfied with it or let me throw him in venezuela to satisfied with what's going on he was promised all you had to do was put on the sanctions cut off the oil and the whole thing will fall apart will be regime change we all knew that wasn't going to happen trump may it seems that trump does want to

make some kind of direct contact but for obvious reasons the who rain ians have no interest in talking to donald trump about anything because his policy is a failure what do you think charles yes he's trying to i think he's trying to engineer situation similar to what happened with career where. he will put on maximum pressure one way or another particular course economically in the case of iran causing great suffering by all measures amongst ordinary iranian people not necessarily amongst the leadership. in an attempt to turn against the government just as he's done of course in venezuela and at the same time then think that there's going to be some caving in and then some. big summit that he can then present himself as the peacemaker particular of course with the election coming up but the thing is that he's not in a position to be out to offer anything. actually even reverse what he or rather what he left talents people like bolton and pence and so on has actually driven and

that is that of course this is a policy that isn't driven by american interests this is a policy against iran that is overwhelmingly driven by lobbyists by the interest groups not of the united states but of its 2 main allies in that region which is saudi arabian of course israel and therefore it's not in america's interest to pursue this policy particular because and i know we're going to cover this i'm sure we will the fact that of course in the same way that american policy towards russia over the last few years has driven. and made the drive towards better relations with china and russia inevitable so that's happening now with iran and of course even the statistics we don't have sound and so on true got that trump has chosen to place or play the 0 sum game in a way with all of the powers or all the same time been perhaps a bit more tactical he would have taken on iran 1st and then look to tackle china in the way that he wants to but no he's decided actually i'm going to take on the whole world at the same time so much so he's even apart from the u.k.

of course the good old faithful u.k. he's alienated even most of his european allies as well in the process and so american at the moment largely because of iran stands as isolated as it stood in many many years in the past you know. over the last few days the high level chinese officials visiting talking about investment buying oil ignoring the american sanctions threats here i mean just like it is charles said you know when when by alienating russia for so long russia is moved looked towards east to china and now the iranians say we have partner see the trumpet ministration and the american foreign policy establishment in general can't conceive that iran could have friends actually has a lot of friends in the region and further afield and you know it was the multistory busy thing is that the tension. washington put on iran and on the venezuelan oil gave a 1000000000 profit to the. oil at the same moment so

in my opinion there is another point is that i think that trump wanted to destroy the only diplomatic success of obama. for him and it's important if you know what i mean it's a weird psychological thing and i won't be surprised if maybe in one year someone says before the election it will find maybe the same agreement telling its completely new it's a good agreement his time with iran so that's what i hope because as you said. actually there are some figures the detainees are ready to invest 250000000000 on the under iran. they don't care about the washington sanctions. don't care anymore you very much are you are sure that the this ancient regime it least in the united states it's slightly different than europe but once you put sanctions on they almost never go away i mean 8 and actually congress mandates that

it ties the hand of the president even if you wanted to do that and so again i you know why why should the reigning in speak to the americans now they have nothing to offer there is not a week without any threat of sanctions a few ascensions against any country in the world so old all the countries used to that and the know how to react to to cooperate together to what exactly is the us is devaluing its own currency the dollar in the process going well i agree with salvia there obviously trumps policy towards iran. and doing what all it would think that obama did but despite all of that trump is the 1st president in 30 years not to have started a war during his 1st term so far so far ok so it just shows you it's not because trump is such a nice. person is because there is a quarrel there is a cold flicked between him and the corn grass in between various factions in the us

administration so it is the reason why the new war has not started but left me a call to. show us some of his supporters here towards iraq he said about afghanistan if we wanted to fight a war in afghanistan and win it i could win that war in a week i just don't want to kill 10000000 people and wipe them off the face of the and after that they could just say that they remain in leadership irresponsible statements about destroying the state of israel isn't that a much more rabid threat you know and trump just said that in past and you know in june this year almost no one noticed and what a lot of people i don't think people get 0 and want to mention what's paid to any stupid statement from mark my dinners or you know when he threatened israel basically oh you will do that and mr translation. is against israel is very

much of a crucial statement that the united states will bury you it's an ideological inertia from that time so that iranian revolution very few actually and no one believes that iran because iran is the weaker in this. possible confrontation with these well it's protecting its summit here gentlemen i want to talk about another topic before we leave and go back to charles we had a prisoner exchange with russia and ukraine with the new president's olinsky in ukraine what is that significance is it a putting a marker down to move forward or is it just kind of like putting a flag up the pole and see if anybody salutes go ahead charles. that's a good way to put it peter because it's possible in a way to be both. what we've got is a situation here i think where again we've often seen in the past not just in ukraine but in other areas korea is a perhaps an example of this where once the big powers. they out of things where all the or the west particularly let's say for example when we had the minsk

agreements that was largely done the behest of russia ukraine france and germany they excluded for example the u.k. and the u.s. from those negotiations and from that process and a peace agreement or cease fire not perfect but one was able to be achieved and we've got a similar situation here where russia and ukraine together have got differences put aside on this particular issue and have produced some progress which is sunny's producing humanitarian progress i suspect both sides will use this as. a negotiation point they will pretend that they are going to make further concessions but i think both sides particular with the new ukraine process president after he's got a election commitment to this want to put the ukraine situation to bed and resolve it one way or another of course that isn't necessarily what many countries in the west want and some of the interest groups within those and we're talking about the u.s. for example where there are so many interest groups that want to stoke this conflict the arms industry and so on to constantly present russia as a threat and it's significant i tell you what's really significant i think is the

fact that ukraine one of those people that ukraine sent back to russia the prisoner swap was somebody that the west particularly holland britain america had almost begged ukraine not to send in other words that person that was wanted in connection with the team down of m.h. 17 hours is right and it's interesting that all the early groups object to this progress in relations between russia and ukraine where 40 european politicians who urged the president not around. this guy who is accused of being complicit in the union m.h. 17 for russia well 1st he was not complete it because if he had been. how he would be the. second was an older man kidnapped. you know if he was going to give any. action and kidnapped by the ukrainian special forces from his home and then yes where he walked. say physical exercise teacher

but what is even more important for us russians besides this exchange the other important news is that america is not given $250000000.00 water of military equipment to create every dollar of that equipment can kill a ukrainian or a russian citizen any moment so who is objecting to it with the prisoner swap it was the europeans but it's now we have basically the washington possed question this decision by trump not door with great money and saying that 1st mr trump is catering to mr putin and 2nd marriage. gender he isn't tempted to force me to intervene in that 2020 us presidential election by the launch in any investigation of the leading democrat that created it joe biden. probably at least joe biden is involved in corruption in ukraine has became billionaire or gas deals in ukraine when mr by that was ordered to be there look at the general we

know this steel dossier came from you exactly right you know it's about time that your 40 seconds ago it was really interesting the. talk about what to put in it was like a partner we agree we're meant to no agreement we we promised we did it pronouns were important there yes. i mean. i think it's and you know let's see what would happen because there is. a list. for instance of a minister of interior it could be dangerous but. i'm satisfied i can tell what i'm going to do everything starts with one step. politics. it's a very good news in my opinion and. on the russian side on the inside everybody was satisfied. and you should look out what up front. hold is probably

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