and predictable and even contradictory there are no better examples than afghanistan and iran. krause talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow exam tomorrow he is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis trackball we also have dimitri bob h.-e. is a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project and in london we cross the charles to bridge he is a security analyst and a former u.k. army and counter-terrorism intelligence officer originally cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to charles 1st in london while this story with afghanistan and the quote unquote peace process is take a very interesting turn from what we've been told leadership members of the taliban were supposed to go to camp david and i guess maybe tie a bow on this again quote unquote peace process here i don't buy that story it was on the back of a taliban attack in one american was killed and 11 other people were killed that's

the story of the last 18 years ok was of the story of the last few days here my supposition is trump got cold feet because he doesn't know where it's going to go and it's not a political winner for him with this foreign policy blog not necessarily with the american people we can get into that go ahead charles what's your take. i think there's something in what you say here i don't think it's as it appears certainly i think trump has had misgivings as indeed as a lot of the us we can say foreign policy establishment of course trump is sometimes in not sometimes outside of that circle but i think he would share some of the views that he's been strongly pressured particular of the last few days and weeks even in the media a lot especially in the media as a result of. these talks actually approaching even if it wasn't widely known that they would be approaching in this form there's concern of course that if the u.s.

does indeed strike a deal with the taliban and the u.s. leaves that actually that will return afghanistan to taliban control it seems quite likely that would be the case but that's going to be the case whether america leaves today. if they had left 91015 years ago and so really i mean trump has got an election remember a manifesto commitment to end the u.s. war in afghanistan it's let's think back to a summary of that it's cost upwards of $1.00 trillion dollars over the last 18 years actually i mean even the pentagon puts it at $760000000000.00 it's cost $2.00 and a half 1000 u.s. lives another 1000 coalition lives not with and of course not to mention of course we will mention but so many won't mention $150000.00 afghans that have died since the u.s. became involved and it's led to a situation that at this current time the taliban is pretty much more in control of afghanistan that it's been any time since 2001 and so really i mean trumps

instincts i think as we often see and we often say that trumps instincts are right here but i think that possibly he has seen this attack as an opportunity to. clarify what the american position is going to be you know. this is just delaying the inevitable ok you know we should. i think intelligently. in in 2001 go in destroy al qaeda and get out it was should have been a police action a crime was committed then you do a police action and then you would draw from it the reason why the. u.s. allies agreed to join this operation but i agree. with that it's a big problem for trying because it was during his campaign between 2016 he was against the war in iraq and it was through. this time that you promised

a victory so it didn't promise deal with taliban but it's obvious that it's very interesting if you look what victories does he have ok deemer and i think this is exactly what thinking is is that he didn't he didn't see with what was proposed to him i don't think it was his idea this was a proposal he didn't see a win either way going through with the deal or abandoning it ok he's looking for a better option but for the last 18 years there hasn't been very many good options except for one get out several players well it's the longest war in american history and let me give you a precise figures even according to wikipedia 2410 american military deaths almost to solve civilian contractors killed in afghanistan this is just americans there were also or there are 9000 european allies operating in afghanistan getting killed every day or almost every day you know i especially feel for you to me and

says story and a lot of it is who went there with the soviet troops in the 8 s. who were stupid enough to go all the 2nd time with nato and the. reaction from the united states is just hilarious you know mike bell or said that it was a success today al qaeda doesn't even amount to a shadow always for myself in afghanistan yet. it was displaced by the so-called islamic state which is even more dangerous about now we did leave it what come you didn't last 150000 deaths 5000 in london so it's you know it's go back to charles in london charles it seems to me that trumps move is actually a sign of weakness ok because he's showing that the taliban has the initiative and they are calling the shots and they're calling the timetable his reaction you know this could last decades longer was a really a very lame reaction to it because it's not a proactive approach in resolving something that he said he wants resolved so i

think again weakness out of this white house go ahead charles yes and also in the background i think recognizes that his positions week i mean he's obviously a very transactional personality he sees it in terms of transactions as he sees so much from the security relations and he sees here that if there is a deal to be struck he's got to appear tough notwithstanding that actually his position on the ground the u.s. position on the ground is extremely weak the taliban know that the u.s. knows that trumps knows that and so therefore pulling out of the last minute it's almost as if he's saying ok you need to deliver more in other words stop these attacks on u.s. troops and coalition and afghan troops if i'm going to hold a meeting with you but the problem is that of course actually it's him that wants the meeting in a way more than more than the taliban do the taliban know that it's just a matter of time before the afghan government force and before the or that they get a deal with the afghan government which is very advantageous to the taliban and

they know it's a matter of time before the u.s. is going to withdraw and again will return to the steam of the time frame of events and how america sees things in very short termism short term this way not withstanding that this is now 18 years and yet the enemy for the u.s. is prepared to sit a much longer and i've got a much greater stake in this i mean it's their country let's not forget this. and the taliban of course and i made a point to make very quickly here is that it's being said of course yes america i've always said that america when it does leave will reframe the situation to portray it as a victory and we did we've seen this over the last couple of days as you mentioned it's been phrased as or framed as a victory over al qaeda i mean peter some extent that's true but that was true in 2 but that was true in 2001 to 2002 they've been fighting the taliban and you know. the problem for washington. what would happen was are we leave afghanistan because

look at the other country in it was because turn in into many. russian chinese influence so the good. there of course of not good relations with china and with russia so it means as soon as they will leave afghanistan they would have. the sun and it also you know i mean the taliban after all this effort fighting al qaeda islamic state the american puppet government why in the world would they want to get in bed with al qaeda again ok there is no there's a logical reason for the member that i mean he said that there is some basis for a state again it's done. by the us were by the u.s. so what they want the true the know exactly what they're doing and that their short

term is couldn't agree more well it seems to me that this is about the 2nd part of our program this is about iran they want to have a position inside of quote unquote keep their eyes on a red it's always about iran and their region they're ok again with what the administration is talking about their talking points in the media's reaction to it is really irrelevant to what's going on go ahead and. get it sooner. you know the point about the central asian states they're less concerned. with the royle than the european states than america already when russia you know if you listen to the statements from the biggest and they are. you know they fear american smaller than the us because they know that taliban are only strong. in every game exactly they're not order all in. these countries we're going to go to charles finish up this block here charles say i'm old enough to remember i wasn't very old but i was old enough to remember the fall of saigon this is what history

is repeating itself here because look the trumping ministration didn't even bring in the afghan government into these negotiations ok i mean because and we had a guest on card cross-like a few days ago an afghan himself and he said well we know the government will fail almost immediately after the americans leave but that was the 18 year investment in afghanistan finish it off go ahead charles yes and of course what trump and the us are trying to avoid. the scenes of people scrambling on to helicopters and leaving at the last minute which we saw in saigon and i trying to avoid that with kabul if the afghan government can collapse and the taliban take over with america out of the way then america of course can say listen we invested all of this money all of this blood and treasure into afghanistan just like they said with iraq and then the afghans as they said about the iraqis they let us down we gave them every chance to invest in democracy and indeed they did then most american way to collapse so in other words it's another issue where america is largely created the situation and

then when the inevitable consequence follows then blame the local people for it and that's what i'm trying to do here i suspect 20 seconds go it. couldn't agree more again to. work with that we find a way. to use a little cup to to to go from the u.n. to say because you know but no one will ever be held accountable for the. 5 seconds to mco yeah i just lost money as a lot of school meant is it going to be the same withdrawal as with syria the same but you just make a good point mark i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the real mistake with our. look. i played. such

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and a very warm welcome to you watching us in such. welcome back to crossfire where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok i want to go back to charles in london let's switch gears and talk about iran maximum pressure well it's not working very well is it ok and this is been the whole problem with the trumpet ministrations approach specifically. with regards to iran it doesn't ever have any other options in this is what's putting trump in a bind we are now behind with afghanistan obama in with john not buying in syria.

in iran and we do there are there are there is gossip and there are some whispers that trump obviously isn't satisfied with it or let me throw him in venezuela to satisfied with what's going on he was promised all you had to do was put on the sanctions cut off the oil and the whole thing will fall apart will be regime change we all knew that wasn't going to happen trump may seems that trump does want to make some kind of direct contact but for obvious reasons the who are amiens have no interest in talking to donald trump about anything because his policy is a failure what do you think charles yes he's trying to i think he's trying to engineer situation similar to what happened with career where. he will put on maximum pressure one way or another particular course economically in the case of iran causing great suffering by all measures amongst ordinary iranian people not necessarily amongst the leadership. in an attempt to turn against the government just as he's done of course in venezuela and at the same time then think that

there's going to be some caving in and then some. big some. he can then present himself as the peacemaker particular of course with the election coming up but the thing is that he's not in a position to be had to offer anything. actually even reverse what he left talents people like bolton and pence and so on have actually driven and that is that of course this is a policy that isn't driven by american interests this is a policy against iran that is overwhelmingly driven by us by the interest groups not of the united states but of its 2 main allies in that region which is saudi arabian of course israel and therefore it's not in america's interest to pursue this policy particular because and i know we're going to cover this i'm sure we will the fact that of course in the same way that american policy towards russia over the last few years has driven. made the drive towards better relations with china and russia inevitable so that's happening now with iran and of course even

the statistics we don't have sound and so on through got that trump has chosen to place or play this is a 0 sum game in a way with all of the powers that all the same time been perhaps a bit more tactical he would have taken on iran 1st and then look to tackle china in the way that he wants to but no he's decided actually i'm going to take on the whole world at the same time so much so he's even apart from the u.k. of course the good old faithful u.k. he's alienated even most of its european allies as well in the process and so american at the moment largely because of iran stands as isolated as it stood in many many years in the past you know you know we use over the last few days the high level chinese officials visiting to around talking about investment buying oil ignoring the american sanctions threats here i mean just like it is charles said you know when when by alienating russia for so long russia is moved looked east to china and now the iranians say we have partner see the trumpet ministration

and the american foreign policy establishment in general can't conceive that iran. could have friends actually has a lot of friends in the region and in further afield and you know it was the motive busy is there anything that the tension to washington put on iran and on the venezuelan oil gave 1000000000 profit to the. oil at the same moment so in my opinion there is and as i pointed out i think that trump wanted to destroy the only diplomatic success of obama. for him and it's important if you know what i mean it's a weird psychological thing and i won't be surprised if maybe in one year someone says before the election it will find maybe the same agreement telling its completely new it's a good agreement this time with iran so that's what i hope because as you said. actually there are some figures the detainees are ready to invest 250000000000.

they don't care about the washington sanctions. they don't care anymore you very much are you were saying that the this ancient regime it least in the united states it's slightly different than europe but once you put sanctions on they almost never go away i mean and actually congress mandates that it tice the hand of the president even if he wanted to do that and so again i you know why why should the uranian speak to the americans now they have nothing to offer there is not a week without any threat of sanctions a few ascensions against any country in the world so old all the countries used to that and the know how to react to to cooperate together to know when what they're doing is the u.s. is devaluing its own currency the dollar in the process going well i agree with salvia there obviously trumps policy towards iran. and doing what all it would

think that obama did but despite all of that trump is the 1st president in 30 years not. have started a war during his 1st term so far so ok so it just shows you it's not because drama such a nice person is because there is a quarrel there is a cold flicked between him and the corn grass in between various factions in the us administration so it is this the reason why the new war has not started but left me a call to. show us some of his push you towards iraq he said about afghanistan if we wanted to fight the war in afghanistan and win it i could win that war in a week i just don't want to kill 10000000 people and wipe them off the face of the and after that they could just say that they remain in leadership irresponsible statements about destroying the state of israel isn't that a much more rabid threat you know and trump just said that in past and you know in

june this year almost no one noticed and what a lot of people that i don't think people get 0 and want to mention what's paid to any stupid statement from mark my dinners or you know when he threatened israel basically oh your world in that mistranslation yes i do it is a good idea is to is really very much of a crucial statement that the united states will bury you it's an ideological inertia from that time so that iranian revolution very few actually no one believes that iran because iran is the weaker in this. possible confrontation with these are going to protecting its own here gentlemen i want to talk about another topic before we leave we go back to charles we had a prisoner exchange with russia and ukraine with the new president's olinsky in ukraine what is the significance is it a putting a marker down to move forward or is it just kind of like putting a flag up the pole and see if anybody salutes go ahead charles. that's

a good way to put it peter because it's possible in a way to be both. what we've got is a situation where i think. again we've often seen in the past not just in ukraine but in other areas careers are perhaps an example of this where once the big powers stay out of things where all the or the west particularly let's say for example when we had the minsk agreements that was largely done at the behest of russia ukraine france and germany they excluded for example the u.k. and the u.s. from those negotiations and from that process and a peace agreement or cease fire not perfect but one was able to be achieved and we've got a similar situation here where russia and ukraine together have got their differences put aside on this particular issue and have produced some progress which is sunny's producing humanitarian progress i suspect both sides will use this as. a negotiation point they will pretend that they are going to make further concessions but i think both sides particular with the new ukraine process president after he's

got a election commitment to this want to put the ukraine situation to bed and resolve it one way or another of course that isn't necessarily what many countries in the west want and some of the interest groups within those and we're talking about the u.s. for example where there are so many interest groups that want to stoke this conflict the arms industry and so on to constantly present russia as a threat and it's significant i tell you what's really significant i think is the fact that ukraine one of those people that ukraine sent back to russia the prisoner swap was somebody that the west particularly holland britain america had almost begged ukraine not to send in other words that person that was wanted in connection with the team down of m.h. 17 hours is right and it's interesting that all really groups object to this progress in the relations between russia and ukraine where 40 european politicians who urged the president not. this guy who is accused of being complicit in the union m.h.

70 interruption well 1st he was not complete it because if he had been. he would be. krohn witness. he was an old man kidnapped. you know he was good given an injection and kidnapped by the ukrainian special forces from his home and then yes he walked. a physical exercise teacher but what is even more important for us russians besides this exchange the other important news is that america is not given $250000000.00 water of military equipment to create every dollar of that equipment can kill a ukrainian or a russian citizen any moment because so who is objecting to it you know with the prisoner swap it was the europeans but it's now we have basically the washington post question in this decision by trump not i would create money and saying that 1st mr trump is catering to mr putin and 2nd marriage. and the like jen that

he isn't tempted to force me to intervene or that 2020 u.s. presidential election by the launch in any investigation of the leading democrat that created it joe biden broadly is that george biden is involved in corruption in ukraine his son became a billionaire or gas deals in ukraine when mr biden was ordered to be there if you look general we know the steel dossier came from you exactly right you know it's about time that your 40 seconds ago it was really interesting the way. talk about to putin it was like a partner we agree we're meant to no agreement we we promised we did it pronouns were important there yes. i mean. i think it's a new step no let's see what would happen because there is. a list. for instance of a minister of interior it could be dangerous but. i'm satisfied i

can tell you everything starts with one step. politics. it's a it's a it's a really good news in my opinion and. the russian side on the inside everybody wants such a side and we should look out what up front it's. hold is probably so he was elected by almost 75 we'll see it's almost people that are in this program on a positive note but we did with you all the time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t.c. unix time and remember. this is a sticker from the water bottle phone in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles

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simply an issue of tower and violence male sexual predators for the large part of target whoever is there to prey upon. whether that's a man or woman. but i'll try and confirms that the peace talks with the taliban also stopped the militant group that came to responsibility for terror attack which left one american soldier dead. and yet another blow to british prime minister boris johnson parliament has rejected his latest move to call for a general election as the u.k. appears to long course for exiting the e.u. next month but with the status of a deal in doubts. and the russian journalist he was part of an historic prisoner swap with ukraine speaks to us about his detention and hear. such stupid to deny that it's a political process and my release.