thank you very much for your time thank you for your interest in the. first day forward the important event for all of us. especially its general assembly but expecting more than 100 different. presented this ministers was ministers from $157.00 countries and this is one of the most important event for all of us and this year we have it in russia you are a relatively new to this job i mean about a year and a half as far as i know and you came to the letter ship of this organization at a very interesting time on the one hand the global tourism industry is growing faster than ever before but on the other hand there are increasing concerns over and not only sustainability of that growth but also whether or not it's it may be damaging for the world as a whole is more still better as you mentioned that started last generation and that is my 2nd term 2nd year and. way more ahead

a lot of challengers of course sustainable growth but we're working with each member states because the states are different the challenges are different so for that. proposal we had several but interesting meetings one of them i remember we had been meeting for mayors from all over the world because our idea was to collect and to invite them in to discuss with people who are daily in the world in the in the problematic issues as you mention and there are some problematic issues regarding and because we are growing very fast. towards me flows. in europe especially in the idea was to talk with the people who knows and who. had some kind of decisions on how to manage it and again the most important thing we're mentioning many many times it's management the coming back to the question to ask is the more still better because i mean given last year's number is international tourism there i was grew 6 percent to 1400000000 that's almost 20 percent of the

global population and it's clear that somebody travels a lot somebody doesn't travel at all but how far do you think it could go well expect that the growth will continue because of the. report regarding and according to the world economy growth of the month eclipse goes to tourism implosion too has its effect immediately directly and we're expecting the next year next the next 23 years. it's better or not i think that it's good because. it was a possibility to rest for employment is one of the. useful instrument to create new jobs and our main objective is to create new jobs worldwide and there's still a little space isn't for that reason we're going to in those. rural tourism year for next year to expand and to support new destination rural part of the world and

all the weather and states there will be raised outside of capitals and i would say the big cities and this is another kind of motivation and management so we want to . decentralize tourist flows from the big cities to live every cardless of the north whether those fellows go to big cities or rural areas they leave enormous environmental impact tourism industry is now bigger and bigger polluter than let's say the construction industry if it continues to grow at the current rate can you be sure that any environmental agreement rather this paris climate deal or whatever can be fulfilled how can you do that when you house. such growth the climate change . paris declaration was made many years ago but no d.c. area especially the day after tomorrow we're going to issue a 1st. climate change impact on tourism and the declaration and it's not the clinicians report which we work more than 2 years and

with a very specific and very interesting research is regarding what is the impact of climate change. and what is the impact of tourism climate change i think it's very interesting and i would have a probe that would have. very detailed. research and i'm sure that we would use it on the ground and on the field with the member states and to see the recommendations to see the solutions of this program but the key issues and again to support and to see these grow can be managed but the secretary general if you support the growth in john in general that means that the environmental impact is going to be more substantial that it is now i mean one can meld travel from the u.k. to france for 20 pounds if you bring that kind of keeping ability to africa if you bring that kind of chip my ability to south america how could the planet sustain that. regarding. south america again there is

a huge opportunity to create new jobs and new places a new destination and when we're talking about sustainable growth this is the brother sustainable development it's not only to grow the number of tourists this is the abilities itself in the world which is the month aim balance between iran meant to be between culture and. conservation again of nature and conservation of cultural heritage this is a world in this is to support countries how to manage and hoe to see to give up their population so to do it. a few years ago there was a. similar city. with the production people used to be proud that that their food comes from all over the world but now you have a growing movement of. people around the globe trying to localize food production specifically to minimize environmental impact do you see the same think would ever happen to tourism when people would actually decide that i would rather travel

laclede go across the globe and leave a normas amount of air exhaust just to get some sunlight the. one most thing that goes through me is really important part of tourism to the it's. growing in pro the food production is growing to tourism flows in the of course the impact for that reason we started last year and will continue next to 3 years to support and to help. hold tooling better and hope to have you know way to gross alou shows for food production and total link it with tortillas and when i was last year 1st petitioning us to i'm into has been the idea as to the best start ups and best projects to manage better the need to manage better. to show the probity or you were mentioned well but my question was not so much of august trying to me my question was about taking

a decision to go across the globe and leave an impact that for the most part these unaccounted for because me going to value this hasn't and in fact not only own people in venice but also in people in the caribbean who are feeling the effects of the climate change in terms of the harrington's and nobody's. giving or compensating down for that is that something is something that the global tourism industry could address because from my understanding it's very good at calculating the profits but it's not very good at calculating and compensating for the impact once you are creating new your toes or me or cities or maybe destinations immediately and you need to support and help. i recall to report another very interesting project regarding that issue we were going to launch knowing as we went to lincoln to create platform it's all over the construction to support all for most and those individuals who have there are small and medium

enterprises especially in our go. production to help them to link with the companies with big chains and special interest sector and to help them to sell the . productions and. all over the world that with this plot that we are going to support and promote again small families and small and supreme nurse now from what i know at a number of large tourism destinations are now becoming victims of their own success people in van is in barcelona in dubrovnik are no longer the have decided about tourists and many of them complain that these you know these mass tourism in particular house is is changing the character of the neighborhood it's making their own lives worse rather than better it's changing the quality of their lives do you sympathize with those kind of complaints of our headquarters located in madrid and we're very close touch with barcelona mother the grandmother more. in spain with

which population of which it was some programs and again we're meeting with the mayors who was recording off that situation and of course we are supportive and were looking into ways how to manage these inflows and behold to make more sustainable growth through. sometimes it's in some cases it's not so easy but we want to use it again you know variation in. the nations like persona venison dubrovnik and disappointing and now we pull was not expecting the growth growth will slow for us and so that but again always there is a decision and. it's a matter of management and i'm hoping to see that all different countries and cities. have some local style of management for example for barcelona. directly to the mayor she was directly involved and she knows that she want to stop

the tourism there this was her message in case of the destination is starting to promote the close this nation to the city and to experience again from the central part of the city so. to create new destinations and to promote new activities culturally to which is. all of them out again different but many jubelin . who are very close with them and the working that we're discussing we will have another meeting to discuss in more detail so the general the you asked recently said that or threaten to advantage to you it's least of endangered cultural sites don't you think that it's perhaps a little bit too had to discuss the things why has this iteration been allowed to progress to a point when you have i made sure your own cultural body to threaten such an action i mean isn't it a little bit to wait for disaster it's already too late maybe no one expected this

kind of. growth again back to. where we are located spending. right 23 years ago 50000000 tourists and the last day it was 80 no one expected expected such. growth of inflows so again i ask you as a hog of the top u.n. tourism body how would you describe or define a conscientious tourist is it somebody who travels long distances or on the contrary somebody tries to travel as little as possible is it somebody who spans and consumes a lot or somebody who on the contrary is very conscious about spending and the environmental and social impact that he or she would have a different kind of consumers let's say in tourists like to the question was that how we can differentiate and lose on chances are asacol turns because even at this conference you talk

a lot about ethics but what it would never. it's difficult to him is to respect 1st of all the environment respect the culture of respect the. hosting countries where he's going to and of course it's not that it's not the case over the number of. people how many countries they visited. or less or more but we we see that the number of tourists are growing with more than 1400000000 resistors last year and. so you still see growth as a good thing. ultimately because that's a that's a very important question many people would say about growth and consumerism in terms ms a detrimental thing growth is a good thing but sustainable grocers management it's really important that education is really important quality of service is really really important there are many many. things which. we need to improve improve and we need to support that

it's not only growth that's what i mentioned that it's not only about growth it's about education it's a boat you know vision again it's about many many components which we need to improve and we need to support of course to diverse and to see on the world there are lots of opportunities and we are supporting this opportunities and especially in africa and continue to have a lot of space tools to support and to promote tourism and we have a very concrete and interesting plan an agenda with africa minister o'toole. support to growth because again i will be old a bit to create new jobs for africa clinton i think we're talking about the region it's crucial to create new jobs and we are economy that the growth of flows of tourists will create new jobs you know what to do we need to create.

the growth of tourism we need connectivity we need. more connectivity we need more investments more investments in infrastructure security beezus i mean these are companies which we need to improve with them and again africa is huge going into a whole different countries and all of them they have a different stage of development so there is another. to promote and to support them branding promotion and other issues for the continent support well secretary-general we have to take a very short break now but back in just a few moments statement. on. this and. the bad news in yemen the united states deems to be a threat. to. the cia and u.s. military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. where they

were assassinating populist leaders they were backing up right wing military funding an army of death squads there's no. because there's always a small. cut. off. the world is driven by. thinks. we should ask.

welcome back to worlds apart in the secretary general of the world tourism organization secretary general i heard you say in one interview i think a year ago that in a day could maybe in 2 decades people will forget what we are still sure about that because from my perspective governments seem to be becoming more restricted if about who comes and who go. for all over the world need 20 percent. when it was a took 10 years that is ago 10 years ago so we're working still individually with all member states and congress to support novis of course and. understand what it will that there are different issues and different internal over 40 policies for

each country and but again. for coasties to decrease the number of. to facilitate the traveler some to make their. life and troops more comfortable there number of countries who are using the tourism outflows as a political leverage i think russia would be one example china would be another you can see a correlation between the number of tourists visiting certain countries and political relations with those countries what do you think about this was i. informed russia is going to open and to give reason for the regime more than 100 countries thing is going so the already had to do it through the next through it's not always about. these say you know if you come from a regional or from georgia and you know that russia for example introduced. a freeze on direct air travel between russia and georgia that has

a direct impact on the on the number of russian people traveling to journey. do you take that as a as a political as a use of tourism as a political tool or do you see different. messages all those 2 don't mix politics. between them because. i think that sometimes and in many cases these politico looking dynamic the decreasing. facilitation very optimistic and we think that this group and this possibility will be in many countries and again it will affect them to respect number of visitors let me ask you one india to become citizens of these countries they still have. and many countries they don't have by the throat facilitation with with china and india and there was

a promoting to be to be more flexible than to open for example the so somebody which is where if or. 2 years ago they announced one reason for people or training is. the number of trainers there is increased china has from what i know the world's largest congregation of tourists that's a very big force that the could also be a very big resource and every time china has somewhat difficult political relationship with a country you can see the number of tourists drop for example it was with south korea recently taiwan. in the united states the number of chinese tourists is now is decreasing is that something that happens naturally or you suspect some political interplay there and they truly care happen if there is some natural disaster but if something is happening between countries politically of course it's politico issue again before the trial disasters and also we have in many cases

when the number is that it decreasing security issues it's another important thing we saw what happened in egypt in tunisia 56 years ago syria where as it was. so it was really collapsed the number of tourists decreased more than 50 percent but you know we have absolutely big change and we're very happy to see that the situation is becoming in 2010 which was one of the best year for this country's. small let's world these issues are playing a lot of political. conflicts will natural disasters and security issues this there are 3 factors which affect a lot of tourist flows from one country to another i want to ask you one more question oh perhaps 2 more question about russia and georgia but you know because i think it's a very interesting case for the industry. the reason it interests me is because i think it raises a question of what where hospitality begins and where the ends and if you receive

where there is if you're foreign visitors from one country how. derisive for disrespectful you can't afford to be towards that particular country what's your answer to that. i was the minister of economy in tourism in georgia and starting from that day and this believe me that it was really difficult for me because it was just 20092002 the year after general conflict starting from day 2 till tomorrow i don't remember when one tourist from russia who was. in who felt himself. in all of them and would have and these are facts and these are numbers that number of russian visitors increasing every year. increasing numbers more than from 5 to 10 percent of course if tomorrow we don't have it naturally the number of visitors will decrease way because according to the tourist

needs accessible fastest way no one will come to the flying to we stumble on from what we will hear a lot of people there will die there is a lot of them because we have many. traditional cultural links that with all due respect mr berger is also getting a lot of benefit from russian tourists is it ok for the droege and society to have those and to russia not just on to kremlin but and to russian rallies in the center of the leases sparked by nothing i mean there the recent war horse was totally unprovoked it was over deputy obscure deputy sitting in the wrong place in parliament in the grand scheme of things this is nothing in the other provoked such a major reaction doesn't change your definition of sustainability when you can lose in a 3rd of your tourist over something like that how you build a sustainability after that sure that there were some mistakes there were hopes

that this program will be so i don't know oh and when but i hope and. really be happy if tomorrow we'll have gained. more than more tourists will coming george and more tourists will come in russia as well and tourism is one of the best instruments for peace. knowing the government of georgia and russian politicians but i hope that. only dialogue and only. collaborative. so this problem and i hope that again the flights will be back do you think these situation this whole situation offers any lessons for your other member states in what to do hope perhaps what not to do when it comes to tourism because again we have never well i may be mistaken that we have never seen something like that because i think we had a similar situation between russia and turkey if you years ago while there were political instability of political differences. direct flights were suspended that

is it something that you think countries may. start doing more and more if political or geopolitical situation in the world the best i think it's not the best way of protest and it's not the best way to express your views very painful i mean it makes you sense a little again. i'm sure that it will be become and starting position and don't mix to tourists with. with politics but politics and trade a mixed all the time how is tourism this for us it's another issue but tourism i think it's more important to close people and to to have more more closer relationship between people that affect tourism more than the trade there are other issues another interesting example of this interplay between politics and tourism is the united states and i know that their formal you know the member of your

organization yet but i wonder if you are watching what's happening there in tourism wise because there are a lot of conflicting information about how. president trump stands on migration is a fact not affecting the tourism industry regarding last year was so that the decrease of. the rebels and united states was it was decreasing going to a percent which is not so big big number there are still number one receiving tourists from over the world and. presence french polish too. if the fact i'm a tourist but as was so the last 2 years i mean we don't have a big change just because people still are going to the united states we already have been. on earth to see that the united states is becoming again member organization and decided now. was to need a strong partner with us and the united states is number one today into respect to

many many things another patient again an innovation investments one of the biggest ever the funds and companies from the united states and we want. more why do you in the united states is showing interest in your organization at the time when they're withdrawing from many other un bodies what i said special about this is an interesting question because they believe in tourism and they see the opportunities and that's why i'm sure that for them it's it's interesting to to to know more and will be closer with the $158.00 member states and to support the organization which is doing i'm seeing quite interesting projects on things one of the concerns that the years tourism industry repeatedly voice is it is labor shortage in particular when it comes to bringing in seasonal labor sometimes undocumented labor and having to pay more to the locals and i think this is $11.00 of those examples one of the interests of the industry and the interest of the state at least as defined by the

current administration. do not coincide when you have such a conflict of interest which side are you on the side of the administration which wants to decrease the number of workers or on the side of the tourism industry which wants to increase. or a more in line with the industry of course and more enough looking. for something to turn the. political decision. that was rule for some. gold in the us between. those who. support of course the industry to upgrade to getting the job so this is our fearless over the top number one priority for us is to create new jobs in the lower notes is a no 0 addition no feminism no this you know. getting something from a tourist. or supporter while secretary-general we have to leave it there thank you

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