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tv   Interview  RT  September 13, 2019 9:30pm-10:00pm EDT

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there's i'm show business i'll see you there. with me i have the prime minister of pakistan mr eman can it's a pleasure to be here in islamabad and thank you very much for hosting me my pleasure my pleasure for years if there has accused pakistan of being lenient on terror groups what is your response to this firstly. pakistan since why i have been the prime minister. anyone any foreign observer. even when i spoke to prime minister modi i told him i said you can use your intelligence agencies do joke that any militant groups in pakistan we have taken action against we had legacy of the 1980s when pakistan was
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a front plate still fighting. against the soviet union in afghanistan when we when all these militant groups would be in groups or were trained in pakistan and unfortunately after the soviets left of oneness than we were left with these groups. you know maybe they should have been disarmed much earlier but my government certainly i can as i said you can ask any foreign observers we are willing to ask them foreign media we are the 1st government that has taken these steps to remove these groups not pleased to be offended by the question but there are some critics who say that pakistan keeps al-qaeda alive because doing so if it is able to continue getting money from the united states why why has pakistan not been able to defeat al qaeda and the taliban after all these years. number one
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guy that does not exist anymore. you know this idea that we would use that to make money i mean what. in the war on terror when we participated in the u.s. war on terror. pakistan lost $70000.00 people we had $78000.00 casualties in the war secondly this country lost over $100000000000.00. gone and we lost over $100000000000.00 the aid which we got was $20.00 to $30000000000.00 at most to fight this war the country lost far far more than any money we got and in terms of human lives i don't think any country lost somebody human beings as we did in this war on terror so this is just you know this nonsense that we would keep. and then the other thing about dollar bond you know.
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at the moment pakistan is playing it's it's it's rule in water trade always have played its role in and bringing peace in afghanistan unfortunately our government kept trying to you know. fight a war which was not war and in the end as i said we are the country that suffered i was the one who was always against fighting this war i never thought we should have participated in this war because pakistan had not done didn't do with 911 why were you part of this war why did we lose so many people and then we were blamed when the u.s. could not win in afghanistan we were blamed for it which i thought was extremely on just the former u.s. defense secretary james mattis said pakistan is the world's most dangerous country what do you make of that well had we not participated in the american war you know after 911 we would not have been the. it's
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a scam tree by participating in the war and i repeat i was against it because you see eighty's we were trading these mujahedeen people to do a job against the soviet when they occupied of understand so these people were trained by pakistan funded by the american cia and no a decade later when the americans the government of honest on the same groups were all in pakistan supposed to say that no not because the americans are there it's no longer job it's terrorism you know it was a big contradiction and i strongly felt that you know pakistan should have been neutral because by joining in these groups turn against us so we you know we lost $70000.00 people we lost you know as i said over $100000000000.00 to the economy and in the end we were blamed for the for the the americans don't see it succeeding of honest i felt it was very unfair on pakistan do you support the americans
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leaving afghanistan and how we could characterize the 20 plus minus years of the americans being there the americans. will have to of course leave understand and i think president tom wants the u.s. soldiers to leave understand this is the tricky bit how do the you know what is the manner of withdrawal. the dog between the americans and hopefully the a foreign government. you know the. the the whatever the political settlement. it has to be inclusive. and that's where the americans should not leave until the settlement takes place because when. the soviets left of one is the last time and sort of the americans packed up and left to kill still place i mean what happened and of of understand the civil war that happened. and then the pakistan followed
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the refugee problems i'm afraid. you know the people of understand cannot afford a similar sort of scenario so it should be a very planned withdrawal with a settlement of august on and that is what we're all praying for president trump announced the suspension of talks with the taliban what can pakistan day. is that you know this is not a lot more than pakistan can do than what it is already doing which is urging the. only who it has influence to sit down and talk to the americans which which they have done and also talk to the of one government which they haven't done as yet but the problem is. you know it was always going to be bumpy there's this thing about you know. fighting dog is always a very difficult proposition. i just hope that had there been
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a ceasefire and then talks took place it would have been much easier no deal all this bloodletting taking place and of honesty and at the same time these talks or what i thought were going at a pretty good. rate they were progressing pretty well. so. i don't know whether it's a temporary hiccup i pray that it is or it is you know going to impact the. in the medium long term i hope that it is just a temporary ago and the talks resume because whatever happens that people of understand want peace for 4 decades there has been bloodshed and you know we all pray that this. these talks bring in peace keeping the americans will leave i think that's what the talks would be other words if the americans did they would always
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be. the be of on history they do not accept foreigners pakistan tehreek milo now abdul as he has recently called for jihad on india previously this man has openly talked about supporting assad or bin ladin can you say without inhibitions that this man does not speak for all of pakistan if you want to call people like him let me just quote a b j p this is the. chief minister of the biggest province u p u p is the biggest province the chief minister of the province apart from the language he used against muslims about you know how they should be dauntless and so on. and the chief minister of the province the muslim women should be dug out of the graves and raped. this is a cheap minister i mean if i start ordering you know members to sort of the jew
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let's go to these fisk and really women i mean they get the sort of governments that are frightening point is i can speak for the government and i can tell you that the government this government of mine. we have to we immediately when we came we took a step that we would not allow any militant groups to operate from pakistan you spoke about russia playing a potential role what do you think what do you expect from russia as a good ally to both pakistan and india but historically closer to india yes i hope . russia will get closer to pakistan. i had a very good job with president putin who we talked about everything under the sun. and i fell and i did tell president putin that you know forget about the cold war when we ready were on different sides the world has changed. and. you know we should develop
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a new relationship and i hope we do because. you know russia you know the man was in the world america russia china. and if these 3 people was just. they can dissolve most of the world issues and specifically the squishier issue which which which potentially is is the most explosive issue in the world today and if these 3 people always get together i think they can resolve it arms deals are being provided by russia to both india and pakistan is this a double standard when it comes to resolve an issue specifically as you say of kashmir will certainly the arms deals all of. question of demand and supply you know we shouldn't expect too much we're ality when it comes to selling arms. but but you know i repeat this is very serious to school all go very wrong in this conflict between pakistan india simply because you know we are 2 countries who have
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nuclear weapons and that's why i think there is a big incentive for the world to step in what is pakistan's nuclear strategy that was recently misquoted is it no nuclear 1st strike policy or does it depend on the circumstances. look i can't. you know i never in my life did i ever imagine that i would have to be thinking in this terms nurit rational human being can think of a nuclear war i'm talking about russia. what is the government in is not rational it's not a rational government racist fascist government ought not rational who do not consider other human beings the equal what the nazis did guessing jews is not a rational thing human minds don't think like that so. because of this government for the 1st time i am i also think that what if we have
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to have this choice. you know. what if you ever reach that stage of a country it's possible one country would win one but in this case what if you are left with a choice of surrender all or fight to and for a nuclear country to fight to death you know this is as implications for everyone no one wins that war. there are growing indications the west's anti russia's stance may be softening a case in point is the recent visit of france's top diplomat and defense minister
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or take for example the new york times editorial calling on trump to better relations with the kremlin as a way to block china an important question remains can moscow trust the west anymore. this is a sticker for the water bottle phone in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers there are the bad ones there the litter bugs are throwing this away industry should be blamed for all of this waste the company has long promised to reuse the plastic. that's. their plastic. special projects funded. on the. fun now the mountains of waste only grow heigho.
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we want a catalog republic because we think it would be geared to our people and we want to contribute to the welfare of europe into the european values of democracy of equality of dialogue of peace and we think that we are ready to contribute on our own with this new europe but as part of the euro me the european community and constituency what's the big deal what's the problem why can't we accept that possibility in the 20 percent. the issue of kashmir is back in the headlines this is
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a territory that is split between india and pakistan and has been since 1947 and numerous clashes and skirmishes has been for there why is the issue so sensitive to pakistan its probably one of the most militarized area anywhere in the world per square foot as more security personnel than any were now the there are almost 900000 security personnel that the united nations reports of human rights abuse. of torture of guns. the boys being blinded. in their in political leadership is under arrest taken out of course we buried there some 4000 people have been picked up from kush we haven't taken out so it couldn't get any worse. what they have what they're doing what the beach it big government is doing in kashmir is not only have they violated the international law
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. the united nations resolution the other bilateral agreement between pakistan india the similar agreement that's been violated they've gone against their own constitution the indian constitution guaranteed the people in kashmir a special status that status has been taken away they have actually gone against what the founding fathers of india. narry narrowed the 1st prime minister what they had promised to the people of kashmir they've gone against that what we've. is that . this is governed b.g.p. government is not going to use force. we fear that they will be oppression unprecedented already as i said $370200.00 fair that this is out of our genocide why why have the clampdown on media they don't allow any media to get in there nothing is coming out of what is happening in the time they've imposed
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this curfew and these extra. security personnel there they did not even allow the leaders of the opposition parties to visit the dinner allow them there so what are they trying to hide. sadly i would have expected the world to react much more than it has the united nations rights chiefs called for an international commission of inquiry to be set it almost suggests that the situation there is as bad as it was or has been in syria would you say that it could be that bad well it could it could be much worse because all we know is 8000000 people are under siege. and no news is coming out of what is happening to these people let's just look at the beach if your government which is doing this you would not expect in a normal democracy was a thing like that to happen but my fear is that india has been taken over by an
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extreme ideology the r.s.s. ideas. no for your viewers that it's importer understand what is r.s.s. r.s.s. was a political party which came out in the 1920 s. inspired by at all fetlar and was leading by the nazi party this party believes in in racial superiority in the racial superiority superiority of hindus it does not consider other minorities. as equal citizens this is and this is the manifesto the ideology of the founding fathers of r.s.s. this r.s.s. was an extreme organization. and as i said it believed in the final solution what hitler did to the jews. but this r.s.s. ideology is what assassinated mark mark gandhi probably arguably india's greatest
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leader the freedom the free the who played the biggest part of the freedom of india gandhi was assassinated by an r.s.s. idealogue this r.s.s. was banned in india 3 times as a terrorist organization and unfortunately this has taken over india you see every human society has its extremes its liberals and then majority of moderate problem happens in a human society when an extreme takes over that society this is what happened when the nazis took over germany this is exactly what is happening in india right now they are being governed by this extreme ideology would does not recognize that their constitution international law human rights what the promises were made by the 1st prime minister to the people of kashmir they don't recognize anything because they do not consider other people equal to the to their idea of the.
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supremacy of the hindus so this is why i fear not just for people of kashmir i fear for what is going to be happening to do almost 200000000 muslims who live in india to the christians who live in india i fear that this ideology will be in in past whenever it has taken over a country it's extremely destructive but because it excludes other people it's not an inclusive ideology india has a huge country 1000000000 people plus taken over by this this month i think it spells danger not just for mary's not just for. the minorities this big m 200000000 people muslims living and this is not a small number i believe they're all a threat and what is happening in if you you can. verify this the
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people the journalist in india you can verify what this is not the india i knew i knew india very well i used to play cricket this is not the india i knew and i'm afraid this is not the india of ruin gandhi the founding fathers of india what we're talking about in kashmir is actually happening in india controlled kashmir what i understand from what you say is that there's a fear that that's just really the beginning and it's ultimately going to spread and that's why the international community needs to pay more urgent attention wife . of just racist ideology has taken over india. it specifically it is anti muslim. it. and if you read the accounts of the founding fathers they openly considered the muslims as who should be. trickly clans from india they believed in the
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racial purity of hindu and the hindu civilisation could not reach its peak because of. hundreds of years of muslim rule they openly talk about teaching the muslims listen i'm afraid the prime minister modi belongs to this r.s.s. ideology when the good drug rights took place i believe in 2002 he was the chief minister for 3 days the daughter law that they are allowed the mobs of free reign to spread terror to kill thousands of muslims 100000 muslims were made homeless so my life this ideology will not just stop in kashmir i feel that. you know pakistan is a threat they will try to take the world's attention from what is happening in kashmir by diverting attention to pakistan by some sort of a false flag operation by that i mean. you know blame pakistan for some incident
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that might happen in kashmir and divert attention by like they did before in february their tact us when some took place in the kashmir they will do i fear they will do the same again india also says that what's happening in kashmir is an internal affair and and i guess and an argument that supports that is that one doesn't want international community continue gauged in conflicts elsewhere what would your response been to that well it would be it internally if we was part of india but according to the united nations security council resolution $1048.00 and there were 11 resolutions it's a disputed territory it's between pakistan and india. and then those resolutions give a right to the people of kashmir the right to decide their own destiny through a plebiscite self-determination that right was never given to them and they so they
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can't say it's an internal matter whatever we are 3rd party mediation ready when for instance president trying to mediate between pakistan and india india said it's a bilateral issue so when we try to talk to them this is the reason internal issue so i mean they have that we are going round and round these circles the fact is that. what india is doing in kashmir is going to have consequences way beyond the borders of india will be on the subcontinent because you know this is going to become a nuclear hot sport if this becomes a flashpoint of a conflict between india and pakistan this will be the 1st time the 2 nuclear armed countries come face to face and this is after the cuban crisis and this is why the world should act they should this is a this is
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a disputed territory the united nations has a responsibility to act now and it's it's not good enough to just make statements they clearly they have to go further than that it's just it means the world community has to act and do what what we want to see the world community the world community has acted before it puts sanctions it. put sanctions where it hurts trade i mean to eat but inaction is not an option because this as i repeat this will have consequences this is not a good finish of the year if we if we ignore it it's not going to disappear there at the moment the 8. 1000000 people who are threatened by this this extreme ideology i think people would be hard pushed to disagree with you that there's a role for the international community to play that it's not stepping up to but what is pakistan doing right now to actually bring relief to those people who are
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facing this crisis in kashmir there is nothing pakistan can do. you know there's no relief we can see the borders are closed secondly the only thing we can do is approach the international community of course we will use every forum human rights we are thinking of the international court of justice united nations general assembly every forum we would use who we were we would knock on every door. the problem is no one should expect that no any bilateral talks between india and pakistan are going to solve anything that that stays as long gone do you think president had he not been blocked by india and the stands the problem and is able to solve it. russian ited states i mean you know. they are the most powerful country in the world if anyone. you know solve which is is the u.s.
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but the u.s. if it puts its weight behind the united nations and then you know. the other countries the. russian russia china the european countries they have i mean they have to understand look it's very important to understand this problem could spiral out of control and spiral out of control i mean you hope for the best but people should be prepared for the worst the worst in the scale is the un an unimaginable doodoo clear on countries getting into conflict. mr prime minister what do you think is the solution for kashmir there is . only one solution. what the united nations security council that brought us the people of kashmir the right for self-determination let them decide what they want this is what democracy is all about whether it's the americans or the russians if
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there was a mediation taking place no doubt both sides would have to sacrifice something what would pakistan be prepared to sacrifice we would go to the extent whatever the people of kashmir want we will go along with that. we will stand with the will of the people of course we. do believe there are good terrorists and bad attitudes the bad terrorists and those in yemen who the united states deems to be a threat the good those who work in syria the cia and the u.s.
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military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. where they were assassinating populist leaders they were backing up the right way military funding an army of death squads there's no. because there's always a small. cut. off. eat ah
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