new technologies generates unexpected information new kinds of imaging possibilities so we always extend out sort of comprehension of the world what a body is how body operates what it means to be human. so for me technology is is generally a plus but i'm on this. just to you really have your cent more about you there's this inventor and cannabis called steve mann. so he is also experimenting with merging his body with machinery for quite a while now but he's more honest scientific this side of it like doing it for sake of science know you you're an artist not a scientist it's from what it what you do right now is it just a commentary to what's happening or is it also advancing science in a way well look you know i i am only an artist on the other hand i have

a general knowledge of engineering of medical technologies because of my hands on experience with them. i see these projects as as 50. 2 new possibilities. are i think that we shouldn't consider them in any why scientific research on the other hand usually my projects involve studies of the. technology so for example when my hand was 1st engineer it was sophisticated enough even though i'm only an artist to be invited by the jet propulsion lab in pasadena and the johnson space center in houston. to demonstrate the hand to the extravehicular activity group.

and not just only. there is an interest in. new technologies and pseuds around understanding of the body. i'm just trying to figure out where the general public is at at the moment in terms of understanding all of this because what steve mann and i know when he ran into trouble couple of times for instance when he was trying to pass metal that detector it was being seen like crazy and the customs officer got so scared that they literally have to sort of you know. some. mechanical things out of his body when it comes to you are do you think it's a little too far out for most of the people at the moment or not really. oh i mean it's very difficult to evaluate you know i think. new ideas new philosophies and contemporary practice often can only be

value item in the near future it will not be fully understood now. so for example it took 10 years to find. and to get funding to begin the construction of the need. and the surgeons never really understood. that it was not a project during the 2nd surgery one surgeon was good. to the other to say. well you know if this is we must be the artists. and we're going to actually get here on your hand project top through it in detail before i get that still want to talk a little bit about this facts of you know what is ation of human bodies what do you think this. experimenting will have on lunch it i mean could that mechanical

parts replacing biological body parts do you thing it could enable us to live forever i mean this is something that humanity has longed for throughout its existence it will i think the idea of. immortality for example i mean. in the near future this is not going to be possible having said that if we're going to be able to 3 d. print organs using living cells if we can grow. organs and parts of our body using stem cell technology if we can engineer prosthetic pots that can be components of the human body then we will have a situation when we need not biologically dari. because we'll be eyeball to continuously reply 6 mel functioning parts of our body

and actually if we can engineer an artificial womb that can bring to bear. an embryo to a fetus to a healthy child then you'll rigzin students will begin without. because your body will already be external and it and you'll your life will end without biological death so had need to fall on human existence without the without dish i have centrist i am i heard read you saying that you just talked about reproductive organs right now were some fundamental tenets of our existence may be revalidated with technology like the functioning of heart or reproductive organs that actually require you to be a man or

a woman. i have 2 questions how exactly would that happen wake why how will technology remove the necessity of gender. the necessity of talking technically the necessity of gender and it's fascinating when you think about it any all may come true what you're saying why would you want to do that why would you replace the heart that beats fire a why would you not want to be a man or a woman on no i think i think. when i talk about the future all wife's talk about a contest will future a future 'd of contingency in other words a future of choice rather than all of necessity when you know. some institution or some government. under tight some eugenic kind of programs because what it means to be human is different for different

people and it's a value judgement about enhancing your body are not so. convinced about transhumanism for example because there is this saw idea that. new technologies will improve their bodies now i think this. simplistic because an improvement of your body is a value judgement. an improvement to human not be an improvement for me because like this whole thing it's just in code it humans in our species. does drive to change and replace things because apple speaking to martine. is a very famous astrophysicist and he things that evolution is just going to turn us into machines eventually you know since you know we're coming up with stuff that is more reliable and efficient than our biological south and sometimes i'm like are we

really digging our own graves with this curiosity. we may have perhaps sped up but i think what it means to be human is perhaps not to remind human their goal because as humans we're very curious creatures and we want to explore other cons of possibilities of the cons of of bodies machine bodies other kinds of biological bodies on the of always been interested in comparative anatomy so in evolution we see. different cons of bodies that perceive the world in different wise in other words one can argue that and then say it's an animal a human have different. you know different cartons of wolves the experience you know we know that a dog only sees in black and white we know the bats navigate see notre sound

we know the dislike senses infrared. these kinds of perceptual apparatus and different cons of biological and insect like bodies experience the world in very different wise and with many different generations the lifespan know. of of some creatures is only a diy. some creatures and live much longer than than humans for example. so i kind of speculate that a future body might be. a biological body that is increasingly machine eak and machines that are increasingly biological. and they'll be this combination but that beats us an upgrade of the human race and we wouldn't just b.c. humans the way we know us will bots you know the idea of wanted

is to be human is a historical and evolutionary called instruct you know so for example. when we will hominids and finally developed by people locomotion to the limbs become manipulators and we can construct opera facts instruments machines in other words by peta locomotion allowed us to completely chinese what it means to to develop as as a as a human body and you know even a couple of 100 years ago the idea that you would have internal components that would no longer a biological. products would would have been inconceivable you know now it's acceptable that. and then petey might have an artificial om

that is a carbon fiber operated by servo motors connected to the uses no the system so we accept this now. we accept the fact that the body that you are born with my not made the body that you die with. you might in the future have a feist transplant you might have an artificial. suddenly people will have out of joint. that's already happening so we still think the they human. but. this would not have been the case several 100 years ago we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to perform and. stay with us.

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we're back with stellar performance art is. your project the very famous one iran there are can you show us through. the process of actually implanting that ear in your arm. and then connected it from what i understand it's still in a process. it was sort of related and have has been fraught with medical complications like i don't know from what i read the infection is. so dull chasing by getting really sick. because of outside interference your body's trying to tell you something i mean usually but is resist something when they understand that they don't need it would you know i mean to do in a. challenging and sometimes risky. and we can't really generalise about this there was

a serious infection. in the 2nd surgery when we planted a small microphone inside the econ struct and i had wires coming out of. and that didn't help because they were. in for about 10 days testing the marker fun but effectively at the end of the 2nd surgery the surgeon even though we had a a mosque a surgical mosque on even though my arm was wrapped in bandages with a partial plus the cost the surgeon could speak to the it is voice was picked up and wirelessly transmitted so it's plausible and the idea. is still the intention is still to intimate tonight will the to electronically old men to a so if you're in simply to moscow and i'm in london new york paris wherever i am

wherever you are you'll be able to log in and listen to what my ear is hearing wherever you are wherever i am sill correct me if i'm wrong but that is an exact replica right it's a shape it's purely as static why would you go through that trouble every you could have just asked a surgeon to implant a chip that's a good question you know as a not to stymie interest in the all idea of. anatomical architecture is why do we have only 2 e is to ah is. too late 2 arms of the limbs so for example i've performed with a 3rd and an extended on. a virtual. and i was always intrigued about a making a prosthetic part of my body. using my own skin using my own skills

so for example the process for constructing this was to implant a bio degradable scaffold which is poorest and when this is inserted beneath the skin when the skin is suctioned over the scaffold over a period of about 6 months you have to shoe in growth and vest skill arise i should occurring in other words 'd the cells in you'll in your body grow into the scaffold it grows its own blood supply so now this is wholly integrated as part of it's a living part of. the box what's interesting will be to intimidate the ear of this other project that you have rewired great mics basically out of sort of outsourced your body senses to others right to understand the concept.

that from afar as long as we leave people who want to communicate and they do it through literature through i don't know painting then later on film photography of it is this how all this forms of expression will evolve into a people tapping directly into each other senses do you think it will come to that . it's not something that will happen definitely but it's plausible and it's possible i mean the rewind remakes performance for 5 days 6 hours every day i could only see with the odds of someone in london i could only hear with the ears of someone in new york but my body goes in. and anyone could access my ride through the exoskeleton that i was wearing and remotely moved my body suffered was this idea. you said of outsourcing my senses my visual an acoustical senses to

people in other bodies and sharing my i didn't see. people in other places were controlling the movements. so the idea of a distributed body of an extended mind this concept is really something that's already happening you know we all have wireless media we communicate remotely. i can see your face on my telephone that australia for it is there and when you physically experimented it's completely. the difference is that. you yourself experiencing it in a more intense why. there is that that difference but what i'm signing is that these actions these performances are in fact already happening in some why or another. if you take that idea to the

max like this whole intent interconnectedness right where people in theory connect to your feet and vice versa that really. you know grows into the whole species becoming one with each other isn't it that all these. gurus and people who are telling us all this time that we actually won all the argument it will in a kind of general sense. but what we're talking about here is. physically machine equally electronically being connected to each other. by choice. so for example you can switch on switch off you can be on law and you can be offline. in fact now we share 2

columns of worlds we share online will be where we distributed interconnected and we still experience our flaw in worlds where with private biological individuals. and this is something that. is happening all the time and will continue to happen but even in very different whys so for example another possibility in the future is that all technology will be invisible because it will be inside your body with my current skyll. senses with nano robots. now body becomes the host for the technology technology now is existing external to the body but in the future monte consists in downtown skyline inside the clinic but the way i see it what you're describing is knology that is in style inside of your body and you

being connected to the internet or biological with this because i mean if i am connected to internet anyone pretty much can and any point happen to me. i mean why would i want to i suppose myself so he decides from their ability well i mean hacking your body is all why it's possible. especially anyone with a chip in the body a simple chip is vulnerable to being hacked and as we have an artificial hearts as we have. or meant. to have brine then that's something that we have to manage but you know that kind of an argument doesn't negate. experimenting with these things because you know if you want to just be a big. logical body then you will have no. machines to assist

you you'll have no media devices to communicate with you will have no heating system still different if you know if i have media devices and internet is all around me i do that very often i choose to cut myself off completely because i know that there's no privacy now well you know if you talk on the phone if you go online everything you're doing is being watched and listened to but we still choose to you know to give up our privacy for the sake of facilitating silly chatting our lives i feel like we'll ready our living in the internet and not having internet biology is exactly that choice then when i want to switch my ass off. i go off but if i have it in me yeah but the problem is if you don't want to have it and someone forces you to have it that's a problem but people will choose to have chips implanted to have the cortical

capacity expects spend to have an artificial have to keep a lot of. so if we do into laws and technologies if we have implanted chips or if we expand our cord in cool capacity or decide to have something like an artificial hearts now bodies to study a lot of. we still have to. engineer them saif and be eyeballed to manage them in why. people. intervene externally well that and also just to make sure that our bodies and brains and minds can cope with it because most of the nearest scientists i talk to right now are saying that with the amount of information we have. right now accessible to the internet we our brains are just going crazy because it's too much

for it we're not custom made for the kind of information so if. if we're talking about you know having a chip in our hat constantly being upgraded and updated with information that does it mean that we're all going to be slightly insane in couple of generations. and will again i don't type dystopian view about that there might be advantages there's always some disadvantages it depends on. where the new technology is over rule of benefits and law i personally experiments i think suggests that our bodies can manage being. distributed being fragments and. having additional limbs to perform with and i think that want to do best is

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