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for most of us in climate change elec tronics into ourselves still sounds like something out of the science fiction but not for him i guess i guess believes that human bodies absolutely without modern technology i guess today performance artists . stelarc it's really great to have you on our show so you're performers of performance art is actually blending biological body it was technology and you're doing all kinds of exciting stuff pushing the boundaries. i read you say on one hand the very exciting. on the other hand that you know we should be careful so which one is it are you embrace in the future or does it frighten you oh on noir the. utopian ode to stud been in my ideas i

think. the problem with technology is how to manage it new technologies generates unexpected information new kinds of imaging possibilities so we always extend out sort of comprehension of the world what a body is how body operates what it means to be human. so for me technology is is generally a plus but i'm on this. just to really have her send more about you there's this inventor in cannabis called steve mann. and so he is also experimenting with merging his body with machinery for quite a while now but he's more honest scientific this side of it like to see is doing it for the sake of science you know you you're an artist not a scientist it's for what it what you do right now is it just

a commentary to what's happening or is it also advancing science in a way well look you know i i am only an artist on the other hand i have a general knowledge of engineering of medical technologies because of my hands on experience with them. i see these projects as as 50. 2 new possibilities. are i think that we shouldn't consider them in any why scientific research on the other hand usually my projects involve studies of the. technology so for example when my hand was 1st state engineer it was sophisticated enough even though i'm only an artist to be invited by the jet propulsion lab in pasadena and the johnson space center.

and houston. to demonstrate the hand to the extravehicular activity group. and not just only. there is an interest in. the new technologies and sued around understanding of the body. i'm just trying to figure out where the general public is at at the moment in terms of understanding all of this because what steve mann and i know when he ran into trouble couple of times for instance when he was trying to pass metal that detector it was beating like crazy and the customs officer got so scared that they literally have to sort of you know . some. mechanical things out of his body when it comes to you are do you think it's little too far out for most of the people at the moment or not really. oh i mean it's very difficult to evaluate you know i think. new ideas new philosophies and contemporary art

practice often can only be value i mean in the near future it will not be fully understood now. so for example it took 10 years to find 3 surgeons. and to get funding to begin the construction of an iraq. and the surgeons never really understood. that it was a not project during the 2nd surgery one surgeon was. saying to the other. well you know if this is not we must be the artists. and we're going to actually get it here on your hand project and through it in detail before i get that stuff. i want to talk

a little bit about this facts of you know what is ation of human bodies what do you think this experimenting will have on lunch if it is i mean could that mechanical parts replacing biological body parts just saying it could enable us to live forever i mean this is something that humanity has longed for throughout its existence it will i think the idea of. immortality for example i mean. in the near future this is not going to be possible having said that if we're going to be able to through a deep print organs using living cells if we can grow. organs and parts of our body using stem cell technology if we can engineer prosthetic pots that can be components of the human body then we will have

a situation when we need not biologically dari. because we will be able to continuously reply yes mel functioning parts of our body and actually if we can engineer an artificial womb that can bring to big. an embryo tools to a healthy child then you'll read. again without. because your body will already be external and it and you'll your life will end without biological death so had need to fall on human existence without the without dish i it's interesting i got my i heard read you saying that you just talked about reproductive organs right now where some fundamental tenets of our

existence may be revalidated with technology like functioning of heart or reproductive organs that actually require you to be a man or a woman. have 2 questions how exactly would that happen wake why how will technology remove that necessity of gender. the necessity of talking technically the necessity of gender and it's fascinating when you think about it any all may come true what you're saying why would you want to do that why would you repeat. heart that beats fire or why would you not want to be a man or a woman on no i think i think with when i talk about the future all wise talk about a contest future a future 'd of contingency in other words a future of choice rather than of necessity with you know. some institution or some government. under tight some eugenic

kind of programs because what it means to be human is different for different people and it's a value judgement about enhancing your body ah i'm not so. convinced about transhumanism for example because there is this saw idea that. new technologies will improve that bodies now seem to see. simplistic because an improvement of your body is a value judgement. an improvement to human not be an improvement for me because like this whole thing it's just in code it and humans in our species. does drive to change and replace things because apple speaking to martine reasoner known few know is a very famous astrophysicist and he things that evolution is just going to turn

into machines eventually you know since you know we're coming up with stuff that is more reliable and efficient than our biological south and sometimes i'm like are we really digging our own graves with this curiosity. may have perhaps sped up but i think what it means to be human is perhaps not to remind human toll because as humans we're very curious creatures and we want to explore of the cons of possibilities of the cons of of bodies machine bodies other kinds of biological bodies on the of always been interested in comparative anatomy so in evolution we see. different cons of bodies that perceive the world in different wise in other words one can argue that and then say it's an animal a human have different. you know different cartons of

wolves the experience you know we know that a dog only sees in black and white we know the bats navigates you know trust sound we know the dislike senses infrared. these kinds of perceptual apparatus and different cons of biological and large bodies experience the world in very different wise and with many different generations the lifespan no. of of some creatures is only a diy. some creatures and live much longer than than humans for example. so i kind of speculate that a future body might be. a biological body that is increasingly machine eak and machines that are increasingly biological. and they'll be this

combination but that beats us an upgrade of the human race and we wouldn't just b.c. humans the way we know us will bots you know the idea of wanted is to be human is a historical and evolutionary called instruct you know so for example. when we will hominids and finally developed by people locomotion to the limbs become manipulators and we can construct opta facts instruments machines in other words by peta locomotion allowed us to completely chinese what it means to to develop as as a as a human body and you know even a couple of 100 years ago the idea that you would have internal components that would no longer a biological. products would would have been inconceivable you know

now it's acceptable that. and then petey might have an artificial om that is a carbon fiber operated by so. connected to the users know the system so we accept this now. we accept the fact that the body that you are born with my not made the body that you die with. you might in the future have a transplant you might have an artificial. suddenly people will have out of joint. that's already happening so we still think the they human. but. this would not have been the case several 100 years ago we're going to take a break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to performance artist

talking about what it's like. stay with us. he said. that he should. go with the world's. most of those laws only call for the good old recall no culture when he does it's always been the fall so the soldier you can fight showmen view of them or the bullets of them some of them

some of them lost also lots and lots to know something about it it's a good video that the british wrote a song saddam you seize on that you moved down a soft spot the mouthpiece down this time i don't tell. the need to promote. only wonderful committed to defeat the continued police abuse of people pull the ripples for the way. but. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president i'm sure. more some want. you to go on to be cross with the like before 3 of them or can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters of my house. there should.

and we're back with stellar performance art is. your project the very famous one iran there are 1st of all can you show us through. the process of actually implanting that ear in your arm. and then connecting from what i understand it's still in a process. it was sort of related and have has been fraught with medical complications like i don't know from what i read the infection is. so dull choosing by getting

really sick. because of outside interference your body's trying to tell you something i mean usually but is resist something when they understand that they don't need it well you know i mean to do in a. challenging and sometimes risky. and we can't really generalise about this there was a serious infection. in the 2nd surgery when we planted a small microphone inside the econ struct and i had wires coming out of. and that didn't help because they were. in for about 10 days testing the marker fun but effectively at the end of the 2nd surgery the surgeon even though we had a a mosque a surgical mosque on even though my arm was wrapped in bandages with a partial plus the cost the surgeon could speak to the it is voice was picked up

and wirelessly transmitted so it's plausible and the idea. is still the intention is still to intimate tonight will the to electronically old men to a so if you're in simply to moscow and i'm in london new york paris wherever i am where the you are will be able to log in and listen to what my ear is hearing wherever you are wherever i am still correct me if i'm wrong but that is an exact replica right it's a shape it's purely as static why would you go through that trouble every you could have just asked the surgeon to implant a chip that's a good question you know as a nod to stymie interest in the all idea of. anatomical architecture is why do we have only 2 e is to ah is. too late 2 arms of the limbs so

for example i've performed with a 3rd and an extended on. a virtual. and i was always intrigued about a making a prosthetic part of my body. using my own skin using my own cells so for example the process for constructing this was to implant a bio degradable scaffold which is poorest and when this is inserted beneath the skin when the skin is suctioned over the scaffold over a period of about 6 months you have to shoe in growth and vest skill arise i should occurring in other words the cells in you'll in your body grow into the scaffold it grows its own blood supply so now this is wholly integrated as part of

it's a living part of. the box what's interesting will be to intimidate and i believe the ear of this other project that you have rewired. basically out of sort of outsourced your body senses to others right to understand consequently. from afar as long as we leave people who want to communicate and they do it through literature through i don't know painting then later on film photography of it is this how all this forms of expression will evolve into a people tapping directly into each other senses do you think it will come to that . it's not something that will happen definitely but it's plausible and it's possible i mean the rewind remakes performance for 5 days 6 hours every day i could

only see with the odds of someone in london i could only hear with the ears of someone in new york but my body. and anyone could access my ride through the exoskeleton that i was wearing and remotely moves my body suffered was this idea. he said of outsourcing my senses my visual an acoustical senses to people in other bodies and sharing my i didn't see. people in other places were controlling the movements. so the idea of the distributed body of an extended mind this concept is really something that's already happening you know we all have wireless media we communicated remotely. i can see your face on my telephone that i know australia for it is there and when you physically experimented it's completely. the

difference is that. you yourself are experiencing it in a more intense why. so there is that that difference but what i'm signing is that these actions these performances are in fact already happening in some why or another. if you take that idea to the max like this whole intent interconnectedness right where people in theory connect to your feet and vice versa that really. you know grows into the whole species becoming one with each other isn't it that all these. gurus and people who were telling us all this time that we actually won all they were going to weld in a kind of general sense. but what we're talking about here is.

physically machine equally electronically being connected to each other. by choice. so for example you can switch on switch off you can be on law and you can be offline. in fact now we share 2 columns of worlds we share online wounds way way distributed into connected and we still experience our flaw in worlds where this is something that. is happening all the time and will continue to happen but even in very different whys so for example another possibility in the future is that all technology will be invisible because it will be inside your body with my current skyll. senses with nano robots. now body becomes

the host for the technology technology now is existing external to the body but in the future monte consists in downtown skyline inside the can and broadway i see what you're describing. knology that isn't stahl inside of your body and you being connected to the internet is a witness inside of you more severe than any other physical or biological witness because i mean if i am connected to internet anyone pretty much can and any point happen to me. i mean why would i want to post myself to such from their ability well i mean hacking your body is all why it's possible. especially anyone with a chip in the body a simple chip is vulnerable to being hacked and as we have artificial hearts as we have. org meant. to have brine

then that's something that we have to manage. but you know that kind of an argument doesn't negate. experimenting with these things because you know if you want to just be a ball. logical body then you will have no. machines to assist you you'll have no media devices to communicate with you'll have no heating system still different if you know if i have media devices and internet is all around me i do that very often i choose to cut myself off completely because i know that there's no privacy now well you know if you talk on the phone if you go online everything you're doing is being watched and listened to but we still choose to you know to give up our privacy for the sake of facility so soliciting our lives i feel like will be our living in the internet and not having internet

biology is exactly that choice then when i want to switch my ass off. i go off but if i have it in me but the problem is if you don't want to have it and someone forces you to have it that's a problem but people will choose to have chips implanted to have the cortical capacity expects spend to have an artificial have to keep a lot of. so if we do into laws and technologies if we have implanted chips or if we expand our cord in cool capacity or decide to have something like an artificial hearts now bodies to study a lot of. we still have to. engineer them saif and be eyeballed to manage them in why. people.

intervene externally well that and also just to make sure that our bodies and brains and minds can cope with it because most of the nearest scientists i talk to right now are saying that with the amount of information we have. right now accessible to the internet we our brains are just going crazy because it's too much for it we're not custom made for the kind of information so if. if we're talking about you know having a chip in our hat constantly being upgraded and updated with information that does it mean that we're all going to be slightly insane in couple of generations. who will again i don't type could be in view about that there might be advantages there's always some disadvantages it depends on. where the new technology is over rule of benefits and law i personally

experiments i think suggests that how bodies can manage being. distributed being fragments and. having additional limbs to perform with and i think that want to do is speculate about contestable few choose possibilities that can be experienced possibilities that can be evaluated sometimes appropriate to most likely discarded deller thank you so much for this wonderful interview and good luck with everything thank you very much thank you.

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