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and then yahoo loses outright in all the talks and everything when they go to jail for corruption it's too early to tell you know there are these 3 criminal cases that are against him he supposed to have a hearing and an october 2nd by the end with the attorney general following which there will be a final decision on the indictment in the charges that will include a chance if he's going to go to jail but what i can say is that even if he ends up forming the coalition and stays on as prime minister it's just difficult for me to imagine how he does that after an indictment when he's on trial i just don't see how that practically can work in the run up to the election you appeared to allege he was a i don't know bit of a racist using racist dog whistle politics why are you saying that ahead of the election i think that israel is not different than any other country right now we're sadly in elections we see that they bring out the worst in some societies what we saw throughout this election campaign were attempts by the way on both sides not just in time you know but also by his primary rifle benny gantz but
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natanya who in my eyes 2000000 plus israeli citizens these are the israeli arabs who old israeli citizenship are no different to citizens than i am and by warning the israeli public and his voters that the arabs are voting in big numbers i wonder what does that mean i wondered out loud and i treated and wrote about but imagine a leader of a european country standing in the capital city with a megaphone at their central bus station like natanya who did on election day and saying that the jews are coming out to vote in large numbers i mean the whole world would come down on that european leader and condemn what would seem like a flagrant act of anti-semitism on the other side of the political spectrum you had benny gantz you are lucky party together with a vidor lieberman who now is the kingmaker who completely diligent in my eyes the ultra-orthodox r.a.d sector of society saying that they are again. they're not
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scientists are not contributing to israeli society well hang on a minute before we get to kingmakers as you say netanyahu is warning about our botha's and he's kind of vindicated isn't he because i'm an ota of the joint list has indeed done better than expected that me i was right. i think actually in a 10 year who shot himself in his own foot by him attacking the arab sector i'm at remember just a week ago he wanted to pass special legislation through parliament that would have installed cameras specifically at every polling stations why did he want to do that because he actually wanted to lower the voter turnout of the arabs but the opposite happened the arabs saw themselves under assault and they came out 10 percent more voters in the arab sector than in the april election so an attorney who might have actually cost himself more bad than good on the other hand you are right that the arabs did much better this time and i think that it was a combination of a all the lists coming together as opposed to what happened in april when they ran
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as 2 separate parties but also the fact that they felt under siege and when they felt under siege they came together and they decided to vote which for them should hopefully bring about a positive result i'm not sure the season t.v. camera initiative got their legal go ahead but i don't know if they've seen this mockery of report story saying that who would try to use a an invasion of gaza to postpone the elections do you think there's any truth in the story i don't know it hasn't been confirmed i've read it i've heard it is much criticism as i could have for a new 10 year who i would still find it hard to believe in imagine that she would be willing to take his country to war to try to avoid an election but then again look anything is possible i would hope that that's not i mean how much of a racist is he in the sense that under him the jewish nation state will came through and now of course i'm an ode of the joint list who did better than expected
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says this this is this is no good at all and privileges jews over christians and muslims. i don't know that i would call him the 10 you who are racist i think that it's on you who is is playing a game of populism and popular politics right and sometimes does use and diligent. mises and uses terms in language that i would definitely a caution against but i don't think that he's a racist but i would also wonder what's happening in the arab sector the fact that this joint list is made up of parts like the bolide faction which completely denies the legitimacy of a jewish state in the state of israel i think that that's a problem i think that there's a problem when the joint list for so long and these arab parties have been working more for the palestinians then for their own constituents there's rampant crime you know many guns and illegal arms are held within israeli arab towns there's something that needs to change no doubt it's quite a coalition but. it isn't being played as clear as you want him to be about
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guns and the coalition what do you make of the fact he said that donald trump support for israeli occupation of syria's golan heights and the support of a complete documentation is cheap and cynical provocation will that be something that will negotiate with benny gantz over if he wants to become the leader of israel's opposition but i don't see i'm a new to joining a coalition maybe he'd become a leader of the opposition but i heard members of the faction of his party today who said that they wouldn't even support their own party leader becoming the head of opposition remember that the head of opposition has to be voted in by members of the opposition so it's not just your the automatically the largest party you get that position and by a lot which is a proportion of his party does not recognize the state and therefore they wouldn't want their leader to be a symbol of the state which is that about position ok but in the run up to the election israel bombed iraq bombed lebanon and of course bomb syria now you have
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a special knowledge quite apart from being editor in chief of the post shadow strike i understand pompei oh may have read it and it certainly comes in to us by dick cheney do you think this election will change the status. as far as trump has the status of the golan heights in syria but i had no i don't think so you know trump has recognized israel sovereignty over the golan heights that was done back in march on the eve of the last election in april no one of their country has recognized israel's sovereignty and rule of law over the golan heights but you know i would say that ultimately israel yes did hunker the golan heights from syria in the 68 war now and see 67 but i'm unclear as to who exactly will the world who want israel to give the golan heights to would be to bashar a law side who is massacred and butchered half a 1000000 of his own people would it be to the isis which is still operating inside parts of syria would be the rain ians that are in trenching themselves in syria
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would be to the russians that are in syria so for all the criticism that people might have about the golan heights israel is keeping not just israel safe but it's helping to keep it safe what israel did in my book and try to shrink by taking out a nuclear reactor that bashar al asad was building together with north korea and destroying that reactor built inland near the euphrates river in a region called heroes your rich in 2014 was taken over by isis imagine for a moment that isis got its hands on a nuclear reactor a nuclear material a nuclear weapons this would have been a nightmare for the entire world israel saved the world when it took out that nuclear reactor back in 2000 so i mean i should say i'd be did there is or i want to say to her that presumably russian turkish iranian officials will say far from helping isis day yes in syria it was israel it was britain it was the united states that was defacto helping those islam is groups and their support for the
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overthrow of assad of syria that's absurd that's completely absurd not true israel to not help isis israel its participation if at all in the war in syria was to actually absorb thousands of syrians who were wounded taken into israeli hospitals and give them. western level medical care that's how israel played a role in what happened in syria otherwise it stayed on the sidelines now it continues to ensure that red lines are not crossed and weaponry is not transferred to his ally and he runs us not establish bases from what we're to launch rockets and attacks like the drones that were laden with explosives and wanted to fly into israel just a few weeks ago would be ron is doing trying to create a sheer crescent between iran iraq syria and lebanon is not just a threat to israel although it's immediate for us because it's along our borders this is a problem for the entire world well i we hope the iranian ambassador to london will be coming on the show soon i just going to have finally ask about the israeli lobby
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because you may have heard the jeremy coleman the labor leader here in britain is a favorite according to the bookies to be the next prime minister how is this general election in israel going to work reserving the israeli lobby here in britain because presumably you have the jerusalem post alone whatever government happens in israel not too fond of jericho but i'm not sure about the term the israel lobby it sounds to mischievous and like some sort of conspiracy theory that i might have read back in the 1930 s. but put that aside for a moment the israel's position and jimmy corbin israel doesn't get involved in the elections of other countries what it does do though is it tries to make sure that anti-semitism is fox anti-semitism is thrown away and at a summit is not his mates be saying that's not tolerated and not acceptable sadly jeremy corbett is champion and to etch empennage anti-semitism i know you've had him on the show and that's perfectly fine but this is a man who not only turns
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a blind eye to anti-semitism to gets into bed with some of israel's worst enemies enemies not just of israel but of the united states and of the united kingdom enemies like hizbollah like hamas like the rain ians that seek only the destruction and death and. pain throughout the world if that's if that is the person who will be elected as the prime minister britain so be it but i think that we should all be aware of the danger that comes with someone who like someone of that caliber jeremy corbyn becoming prime minister what does that send what message does that send to the anti semites around the world and what end message does that send to the enemies of the western world in other words the rain ians hizbullah muscle kite and others it will if a man like that can lead a country like him yeah we'll visit him vijay mccovey on the show again thank you very much. thank you after the break.
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big floyd's roger waters may have sung for him but the world's most famous publisher julian assange will not be released when he finishes his london prison sentence tomorrow we told her weekly and after a summer of fracking breaks in northern england the director of a new film about fighting environmental degradation thirst for justice showing at london's raindance film festival 2 more. through going underground. negative interest rates are telegraphing a drop in population if you look at forest consumption in the present to feed the body's game that means you've got this generation will have to be sacrificed and so you know humans have not really psychologically evolved from the days of just outright. children for the gods of their books that generation see the policy gods
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. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president and you. want to. have to go right to be cross with a white woman for 3 of them or 10 people. i'm interested always in the waters of. course should. the. tensions between the masses and clauses have existed ever since modern states came into being but often serve as a drive a political change with russian civil society growing and louder and. against the excesses of the governing elite what does the future of the political system look
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like. welcome back to more of the world's most famous journalist publisher was supposed to be released after a 50 week jail to have a jumping bail is they were refusing to release the revealer of major nation war crimes julian assange even though the u.n. claims he has been tortured in london joining me now via skype from iceland is the editor in chief of wiki leaks christian reference and kristen thanks for coming back on the show before we even get to all of that how easy soy a few days ago a couple of weeks ago i understand he's been denied correspondence is he still in the hospital wing. is still in the house for the winter storm or 2 weeks ago it's the 3rd time i've seen him. since he was all in there and here in april 11th
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is somewhat improved but the conditions there are opal and i always lose a little bit of mankind when i walk out of there at that horrible place and is it true that is subject to something called controlled moves. yes underpinning cases and she's really was what went inside to the mars the and to the corridors when he hears water from one place to another and so he that everything is a 100 to 2 increases isolation is been spending most of the time in a cell in de facto soldiery confinement which is horrible this is somewhat changed in the last few days for a couple weeks it's still a very severe situation so from tomorrow you'll be able to say as an organization that your founder is imprisoned not for alleged allegations in
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sweden or for jumping bail appointment you believe he is being jailed by u.k. authorities so only because he revealed war crimes. yes i would have said that about the entire time that the years and mars because it's all linked together is sort of refuge in there with an embassy because of threats of tradition going to states that has now been proved to be concerned that he was just so it was justified but formally now serve their sentence for jumping bail the most severe sentence for for that crime in the u.k. or probably in in lot of days. and now he is formally on remand to waiting the actual issue here in late february that the extradition hearing from the united states of course u.k. media here has been saying why didn't his lawyers apply for bail when district judge vanessa wright gave him an opportunity to do so his lawyer said no he didn't
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want to apply for freedom. a little absolute farce. and astonishing that this is. discussed in this manner the very other day when this judge came into the chambers he basically admitted that he had just been assigned to the case and was not the media with the details of its is going to be the extradition case judge this was not supposed to be a bail hearing there be no preparation for that this was a mere formality this is day in court so this is a extraordinary of course the lawyers were not there prepared to actually. put forward arguments for his bail that was supposed to be a later states so in a very biased fashion z.t. clears that that he had asked absconded before and therefore was that i'd been very it yeah he said she said you know your former colleague has a history of
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a squandering and i have to say his opinions are just lawyers they don't submit themselves to any media scrutiny that appear on any t.v. programs so you're saying the legal team were not prepared for the bail hearing well i mean not with the arguments or with with that with the fluid support bail hearing that there were there was supposed to happen later this was not a day in court where this was supposed to be argued but this goes to show i mean what and so of course what news meltzer the united nations pressure up or toronto or to set up how corrupts and how in stress that the entire system in the u.k. including the judiciary and the media has become when it comes to julian our sons and we've seen it before u.k. courts earlier this year and this sort of was a confirmation that what neil smelters said seems to be true that julian assange. does not have a chance of a fair trial into this fire as you understand it at the moment kenny
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a. he'll the continuing detention on remand ahead of extradition to the united states who want him for alleged crimes that would imprison him for a 175 years well actually lawyers to answer but i am certain the it has been discussed that it is a is of a little importance for julian to get out of jail marcella least or at least to get out of this this situation how on earth is a person who is in solitary we were almost the entire day. with very little access to information. how can we prepare for the biggest most important court case in his lifetime the extradition hearing in late february this is a question of life and death is hearing and only and i can inform you here that that about 2 weeks ago was this was the 1st time that the lawyers were able to leave documents with him to read and study for 5 months he has not had that access.
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this is this is absurd thanks to julia sanji obviously when people are talking about an imminent war with iran we know about tens of thousands of people killed by the u.s. military the collateral murder video chelsea manning as well of course is also in jail in the united states what's it like running we can leak now without julian assigned next to you as regards facts and leaks that might be able to prevent nato countries going into another war in the middle east well of course we're still open for business and. you know people want to give us information that could stop the escalation of the situation for example now in the middle east. on we can restart or could there is a drop box for information it's hard for me as a journalist basically to see this unfolding in my close circle to see my friend in this situation not just because of him or lloyd's really difficult for him but for
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sure all the journalists and for. unless i'm a general because as we've talked about frequently extradition case will sort of precede. was with. journalism in the future christian robertson well wiki leaks revealed to the world the dirty mining war in africa and to more london's raindance film festival screens 1st for just as it reveals a catastrophic drinking water contamination grazes affecting millions in the most polluting country of all the usa the film's director who's here joins me now they are welcome to going underground so even before we start talking about the film which happens in the film we hear about it you were arrested whilst making this film just tell me about the arrest of we get on to the issues in the film sure i was arrested yes and i was very surprised about it because obviously i was in wisconsin america so you know freedom of speech is in the constitution and it wasn't what i was expecting i was filming a very small pipeline protest and there was one man who changes have to the digger
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in about 15 other people who are sort of just holding plaque cards and but i was just you know i was there filming and the line 3 pipeline which is built by enbridge temperature the biggest pipeline company in north america they are building this pipeline to go from the bakken oil fields in canada or the way down through minnesota wisconsin to meet up with. lake superior for a refinery and actually then to carry on and there is actually a pipeline at the bottom of the great lakes so there's this aging pipeline there and obviously this is coming on the heels of the big standing rock protest up in north dakota where you had some 10000 people camped out and bridge or a big investor in that pipeline company they didn't want to see the same thing happening around line 3 so i think you know they really wanted to you know kind of have a commuter rail to do when it took you
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a long time to actually get out of this legal case. it's pretty hot and dry according to our you've got it the film and you're going to see tomorrow yes i mean i was arrested i said i was a journalist immediately it didn't matter i spent a nice. day and it was actually very stressful because though i made bail it carried on for a good 6 months and at one point and bridge wanted $85000.00 in restitution. probably need the money i mean let's start at the beginning that the film begins with you re me i'm mining because uranium used for nuclear weapons nuclear weapons all talked about at the moment in relation to. middle east wars tell me about the uranium mines on native american land it's all down in the southwest there was a lot of uranium mining for the bomb but they left piles of waste they left
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abandoned mines up 2000 abandoned uranium mines some of them were open pits filled up with water people drank from that water as you said 1300 burning uranium mines of neverland 15000 was the worst and you say why do you think we did. i mean people knew about chernobyl fukushima they do not. use the term with the answers then a cover up that you. well know the biggest spill by volume of radioactive materials in 1809 the church regularly a mine spill up in new mexico and a lot of that radioactive material flowed down into sanders but you know at the time people were saying you know environmental experts and looks the same we need studies you know we need to track these people over time and they were kind of labeled as you know. it's all communists and kind of everything was sort of quite made up in every you know oh everything's ok i actually you know there are now they've they've mapped out at least the environmental protection agency says 523
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abound and so. but there's more than one minute tyson i went out with a geiger counter and i maxed out her geiger counter at this one abandoned your rainy a mill in cameron which is actually near an entrance main entrance to the grand canyon where a lot of tourists go but people live in these areas you know people are living around the area doing you are safe because you're right there as you say with the geiger counter i think one of the more interesting things about the film specifically arguably is that anyone thinking this is about the prejudice against native american people you connected up to and perhaps better known the flint michigan water to have a nation's capital right yeah i wanted to see if something else bigger was going on so you know when i heard about flint you know i went and investigated you know i found a lot of the sim and i followed my carts from the navajo to flint and they found that they're facing the same kind of stonewalling in both saunders and in flint
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they kind of residents got together with scientists and proved what they knew all along that their water was contaminated but the authorities had similarly. denying basically and and stonewalling them so they had to prove it themselves and they proved it around the same time that the navajo been suffering for a lot longer there is another there's another water graces right now in new jersey with water sell by date water being handed out that contamination in the water in in new a in chicago in i also did a piece of the intercept. and in this in every place this seems to be this path to playing down the problems what happened when you actually talk about water bottle prescription water bottle as if to only allow some people to have bottled water in the face of kids when they did water that was what the city officials in flint they
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wanted to start handing out. this bottled water and so they suggested to the doctors infant the physicians of flint and said well you know maybe not everyone needs bottle water you know maybe some people you know need more like reagan can we can give them prescriptions prescriptions for clean water and then they can go down to the water collection points and there's a line in the film that the colorado live river has water resource implications or less vegas for los angeles so we were. just finally moved home grown look like a picnic the way you filmed it. was going on the rubber bullets tanks were all the personnel carriers well basically over a period of almost a year you had they call themselves more to protect and they camped out in the part of the pipeline to stop the pipeline but yes i mean there was a lot of confrontation and one of the infamous night when they used. water
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cannon in subzero temperatures in a number of people had hypothermia i interviewed a man who got shot in his eye and i met him actually a year later and he sort of developed a kind of cataract in that eye so it was what human rights organizations called excessive use of force but then you know i did speak to the sheriff and he said it wasn't excessive use of force he says that you know he faced a lot of it was just a fun bash well that well yes it was just a fire hose but also he said that you know the protesters were throwing burning logs and missiles and it's that's not something that i saw but that's what the police position was that their response they were trying to protect the areas of film relevant to this week's limit global gloom which is very there's going to be a lot of protests you know i think. protests is only growing around the environmental contamination and climate change. thank you
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