khaliq foreign journalists to moscow characterize that as a green red or even green bro mating that this is actually the same social groups that support for example russian role in ukraine but they also care about the environment and in moscow for example it was pretty different picture it was yes it was not just what you call into intelligence it means old public noons those who have some source quotes additionally critical of there are is those who control sort of symbolic capital like the language the humanities and so on and so on but they were joined by 3 other groups 1st and them them the most interesting group in this protest moscow activist who participate in. different forms of when a signal governing they in war in actually in mayor's office agenda they try to make it better to try to fix things and they realize that actually. the state it

doesn't want them. and sometimes i think it's really about the city who doesn't want them and they are as mayors of mosco to number of stores as from when the simple government 6 years ago he initiated the law that sort of when the simple councils and his it was decided to be in a state the mayor of moscow who employed sides here disproportionate force on the streets of the city and then many many theories circulating in the capital about who and why made the decision to use force in much larger numbers than ever before what's your version of it was it was sort of a snuffle it wasn't present planned because. maybe july 4th until july realized that mayors of moscow just wanted to punish so-called opposition. for

spoiling his agenda of course one of his most one of his biggest interest was to see some group presented itself until a gentle like on the for the missed in the to do and author of the few words complained of. actually convey no hate speech in social media against her for for for for supporting the mayor's office she. left the race office at my has decided to punish the opposition he didn't realise he as far as i know they didn't do any political calculations that for example we can spread the opposition but i'm going to take it all due respect you cannot issue direct orders to. national guards by law there are 2 figures who are to give orders to nation guard. first its head off how they call it a regional and a terrorist both or it's a unit ofa nation lenda service committee and it's the head of f.s.b.

in moscow you know in general that if you had any 2nd person is mayors of moscow so you know so i did all of that he doeth said well of course you can you can not you cannot use such a poor results haven't got solutions in the security council not in kremlin i wouldn't say in kremlin because the all domestic politics departments of common trying to stay sight of all of the of the of the whole story so i think. as far as i know 0 mayor had some visits and graham and not just president but the head of his administration of course he asked for help he asked for help and i don't know whether he asked for political help or he asked for it for physical force in the end we saw what we saw now you yourself wrote about how the relatively low level of political event freshen is one of the redeeming qualities of the current absolutely system and. this is not because the people who operate dot system are particularly soft hearted i think that's because they understand you don't 3rd law very well

that any action is bound to produce an equal and opposite reaction why do you think they decided to side step this time around he didn't have public support the moment there's no news as it's there if you see that the house of population just doesn't just don't like the result of what this point down it means that you can go further it means you can not bring more troops and then more troops it means that you have to negotiate somehow what i see you know. what happened this could also have been a good it's a part of negotiation it's no win their negotiation it's sort of our own table where kremlin purdon moscow part and opposition are gathering together no but it's a some of them going to go sure we can if you if the shipping of case is important for you we can release in force to know if this is important they were going to release and it doesn't mean that they stopped the offense on the no one is infrastructure. they know they're playing politics now they're doing what they're

supposed to or they're supposed to do like 2 months ago spread intelligence or from the only spreading the word in from those more to risk actually don't support other than what they just show that they have their money. municipal representatives and then go out to interrupt. but even from knowledge playing politics defied elections produced such a counter productive result for at least for the most comair i thing is one silver lining in this whole story it also shows that at least as far as counting the votes goes it's relatively fair otherwise all those systemic apposition parties like outlook and the communist would have gotten into the city assembly isn't that actually a pretty conspicuous slap on the wrist of those who advocated the use of force especially on the eve of the 20212024 that is in doubt approve an early

task that if you try to employ force you will get the opposite of what you want. we i haven't heard i've never heard about any force can i was in front of 20 or i'm in a recent i've heard worse about the regular politics with the number of fugitive medic questions like future are going to approach the governing party. should we should be elect state duma as do most politics or is them off territories. did they do or how you design the bridge. force wasn't an option actually what they realized that. the technology of protest. sharing reputably and they are actually. they do waiting their action so like the smart folks won't know what to do and if actual business

and think that the state did numerous number of what is it isn't that actually no vile me who did that because. 'd we have to explain our viewers that why is my smarts boding we we mean his call for his supporters to support any known crime manderson aligned to support but to killer candidates with the you know the airlines with the crown land. too. high probability 0 win and north eliza's human of on is created or is it part of a broader trend in russia of the growth of progress it's purely i suggest to you it's purely in the light of the credit goes to keep build the device or for using the what we call affect the effort to action or using it in the racial way but you can see it the same exact happening in other regions when of ollie's. activities not dad friends and i think that maybe also occur weighted with the growth of

fashion all because it's not sure how it's going to same thing in regional politics the part of the brands such as brands like the governor can can be elected as a member. sure enough the party turned to united russia then turned to communist then run as an independent i mean in regions it's not it's not about the party brands it's about the place within the federal center and local it in moscow it was a pretty different thing because no one has to ask was to say that i can be a broker or your protest i can build a frame i can build a device that your protest would have a real result not in terms of electoral being off your candidates but in terms of hurting mayor's office of the mayor of personally and for actually one of the valleys tactics and i think he's very transparent about that is to diligent demise all existing institutions both local and state institutions as far as he's he and his supporters are concerned there's absolutely nothing good about the current system it has to be destroyed and built from

a blank slate given the russian historical context isn't it inevitable that such a stance will be perceived as not just a threat to the security of the state but a threat to the whole survival of the state there are 2 there is on the table there is considerable what we call go blue groups who say that we're supposed to organize so sore over. back to a phone call like it happened in spain which most of the other together you have position is all of the out of the witness court and so on and so on it was supposed to draw a. road that. new liberals liberals their agenda is simpler because they said that the whole system is rigid corrupted and should be replaced. you cannot say that replacing belittle system means. to medically replace the state it brings him on the age but if you if you are what we have we have legal

mechanism of changing constitution. we haven't used them for 20. 6 years but actually we have in the constitution i don't think that no one is agenda diligent there must be elections are as old as yourself since i'm talking about diligent amazing all state institutions there is he doesn't recognize anything but just proportional use natural force is the same thing it for it's the same with deliberate because you see there's a there's a there's a gap between something which is legitimate the something which is legal listen there's actual force is legal but it's not legitimate according to a hopeful for instance population i think law enforcement would at least claim that they're acting within the bounds of the law reach which is quite questionable my question is different i agree that the vollies extremely helpful in terms of keeping tabs on corruption and holding politicians feet to the fire but when he

calls for burning the entire house down for the change of the constitutional order i think he actually does call for that it's not illegal to it's i would say i think i was very close to leave behind bars i would say that loud and clear until we have in constitution legal window to change that constitution it's not illegal to call for change the constitution i'm 100 percent sure that the existing law enforcement management he's a major threat they see him as a major threat not just as a disruptor as an existential for yes somebody who can bring the stay down my question to use them why is he still go walking free when the same system is doling out very harsh test sentences to people like populist in this i would like this person. he has an ability to mobilize. support when he's in personal cars so they let you know if you're. soliman bill is

a shows in so yes putting him behind the bar would bring you now on my estimation to $60000.00 men on moscow streets in 34 hours consent and we have to take a very very short break but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. our. world .

she don't. go away. that's for sure. blog on the full day on the recall now when it is it's always you know the fall so it's all just like you're just gonna you can sleep. with someone that's a muzzle blast as a lots and lots you know such a good idea to let a video of the condition of the song sit on me she saw that you know sound a soft spot will not keep you down at this time i don't. need to make. only wonderful school even if you think the contingent committees of the police reports for the way.

but if she warned you i do the dishes at the bottom or those jeans nudist beach and if she me we didn't you. can use i mean that without infringing ball. a lot of you will see sawing you're in as if parts of 2 kids each other both sides. as if. these. they were days doing. a thing people who simply knew

she would include him to. welcome back to worlds apart that constantine gaza nonresidents color at the carnegie moscow center consented as we already mentioned all the climbers surrounding the moscow actions is only partially about it's primarily about the upcoming elections and transit transit of power in 2024 year old dad the final dad president putin owes to the country is to free the as much as possible from putin is the system that he himself created ave or any signs of dot already happening now. marc rich. marc rich.

proving that a liberal is. used to be for us 20 is 00 what you see in politics it's texaco's shift mostly reaction the situation we still don't see couldn't as somebody who can relate to somebody who 10 shots or the image of the future like nicole and her mother but at the same time a new one of your recent articles you sad that on the one hand putin has been using brute force to rule the country but on the other hand he also. claimed that no one fears the presidential administration any more brute force that no one's yours isn't there a contradiction of terms no of course not because ministration is are going is a fish and a presidential of sorts is. go much for the worth of ministration can do ministration as a political broker is broken we don't see any form of cord or nation between the government

and the presidential administration that all can also call direct that all can of all yeah which was. brought by the ministration and. didn't have any clue about that law it doesn't work is about equal rights activists of the government is one thing how people relate to that is another thing and in russia traditionally the presidential administration is considered demain political institutions as well the wish opposition bolitho not sure that you're right i haven't seen numbers i mean in russia we have the subtle institution that's the president personally the figure the face then we have a number of proliferated images we have popular ministers like lever for example foreign minister or short we have a number i think like sure a percent of russians it is they just don't know what presidential administration they have ok even with these sexual fig. as you call

a depressant you also claim that president putin quote has lost he's let a ship now there is a decline admittedly there is a decline in his approval ratings we each some would say was to be expected given the very unpopular retirement age reform but. has lost his leadership isn't that a bit over the top for a statistician like yourself i mean you have to base it on the numbers and the program is not interesting though the. problem is that it was doing glistening from the for us in texas and the original i used the tour it's very street concept i got me he is not the person who's not the figure who can assure the russian society that we have a future and we're going there 1st the main 3 groups that see in main shifts in public opinion lack of trust declining of trust all public institutions short there

too of period of planning the period the standard period of planning for for example european family even us eastern european family 5610 years in the in the russia you know what i could damage is to compare societies to the russian society i mean given they said if you're serious these eastern europe and russia you can compare the it's not just in europe that is part of the european union is saying it was part of the european union just for 15 years now come on you're comparing apples and oranges consider. this tell you that russia is much better than russia theirs and you need this in russia they are there with those bigger 3 or 4 years ago you also rode for putin the period of time since 2014 has been characterized by and i'm quoting you here the gradual loss of strategic initiative and this is a very common assertion among the critics of the kremlin but i don't understand what. initiative is supposed to be making live better or at least managing it as it

is a good example of the people for that is masses doesn't that qualify as there is no inside interests as people can drink a real. what happened because well it's so cold russian middle class before the crisis and i was in a we saw growing. middle class office managers freelancers those who work general in service know who's a russian middle class. civil servants celebrex social work. on a budget payroll those who have early retirement like celebrex considering this is changing the fabric of this is very well but it's a broad try and around the world let's do this living standards are falling in the united states in europe including old europe in turkey when i haven't i haven't seen you know us a story that is trying to replace the. book or or or or american worker

is american cause i haven't seen this i haven't seen that for example a pentagon or president from goes publicly saying that they want to. like double the number of f.b.i. employees that what happened in russia. happens in scales where the very nature of so chill for break is changing by the house is wondering just $42000000.00 people and it is true that per capita russia has more law enforcement officers than most of the of the large countries but you cannot replace everyone in russia with law enforcement i mean that you are exaggerating not exaggerating in terms of who are the russian middle class now but let's let's go back to 75 percent of g.d.p. produces state controlled or parra states or part of states going to preach and it's not my stimulation it's just a nation of invention the minds are a far more away and so on top there's too much state in social for breit and

economic for breed there's too much state and there were going back to my question about the strategic initiative. i think for what putin sees as he says he can issue. a couple of national projects that he put forth as sort of the at. gins of growth and i know that you. view them with i guess quite a lot of contempt is that i'm sure most of them some of them pretty important. don't they qualify as strategic initiatives. some of them. are supposed to change the way. work. for all the states works how people leave i think that that was what doesn't work. why is that not working because we have this sluggish growth over income for us. we

know and then know pretty well that when you pull one group book money from state verge into record i mean how much do we get in g.d.p. lessons. from my own life i don't know if you're aware of that but if you days ago older vaccination records for most children were digitalized and that's very unlike a big thank you but it's a huge thing for me as a as a mom over of a small key if it's freeing me off the rest tape if i ever end up with my kid in the emergency room doctor will give doctors a chance to assess his health better isn't died a small dot is making you live. there regular work of the government with the national priorities and our experience our feelings about the future because when you're saying about there hold the same if i always i know if i say that it's normal that you have a digital right to operate your ex and your kids direction nation online it's

pretty unlikely you may be pretty normal but it took a lot of time and a lot of money to put that in practice yes no it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't say the government doesn't doesn't deserve the credit for that it's normal for government may deserve the credit for 2 things but i mean this is just one example damn inequality and poor people that's that's the agenda over the actions of 20202024 so forth they built pretty modern state they have. but and. they all of very smart people deputy prime ministers it is full of and so on and so on and they locally they can make things better why should they give me give them credit for small improvements the big improvement is. still a rise of a living you know this is this is big improvement this is important to everybody and it's just 7 or whatever well you know it's other can kick in here can he fight for it it can fight in equality can he boost economic growth which can do.

well the 1st of the 2nd of the sort it doesn't mean that state is fully unaffected i've never said that she state can be effective they can do very effective reforms but it's not an agenda well i guess it's a difference between seeing as half full or half empty russians will tend to be more risk averse than the westerners and i think many people when you and counter something that wasn't there before you tend to appreciate that a bit more than perhaps something i mean that you're smiling but even you know on the for the master who whom you manage she's a non-state actor who managed to put in an entire system of palliative care that beach was never in russia and she's now given a mandate to expand across the whole country is that also a little thing i mean that's absolutely because it doesn't since he doesn't change

the way how you treat all minority groups says nothing about their weight how you treat the general population how you see the whole of the general population that ends up in those hospice is that the general population sends up and those hospices because of many many reasons but the general population re is a lack of income and huge and more must. absolutely dramatic and equality and then you say the state oh yes somebody maybe so and so that it's a question of what i'm saying is it something ok thank you thank you to saying thanks to a person can fix that but it's not it's not it's not the reason for a pledge so the reason for all plus but i think it's a reason for a cautious optimism and i think what i've been trying to argue throughout this program is that the decrease of authority on the part of the presidential

administration may be compensated by the increasingly empowered civil society not only on the streets but also taking part in the you know in the fabric of social life but consenting that we have to leave it there because we are a short time i really appreciate you being on the program thank you thank you i mean here is kim keep this conversation going in our social media pages as for me and the team we hope to see you again same place same time on the worlds apart. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy going

foundation let it be an arms race in this on off and spearing dramatic development only i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the country's military. every came to a complete. the day that i was right. there to kill me and i see how it destroyed my life many screamed at me and he made me come in and he grabbed my arm and he write me. if you take into account that women don't report because of the extreme retaliation and it's probably somewhere near about half a 1000000 women have now been sexually assaulted in the us military is a very very traumatizing tat happen but i've never seen trauma like i've seen

women who are veterans who suffered military sexual trauma reporting rape is more likely to get the victim punished and be offended and almost 10 year career or chose very invested in and i gave. the founder who was not even. on the registry this is simply an hour in violence male sexual predators for the large part of whoever is there to prey upon whether that's men or women. the tense situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been faithfully implemented for inside venezuela things look different we're going to announce sanctions against petroleum to venezuela associate. famously have a supplement. that outputs that. data to see on the technique

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