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metropolitan elite but i mean so tiger tiger isn't just a nursery where i meet any of the even a poem like tiger tiger is and can be interpreted in lots of ways sets up this idea of a ferocious creature the kind of embodiment of raw nature and yet the design of the bomb that blake has printed on the page is looks like a domestic cat it's a sort of looking cat and you know either that means that they can't or cats very well to keep it he could if he wanted to or there's something going on between text and images. being a revolutionary jacobin symbol yes we'll have this thing that interpretation which is which. are open to interpretation and certainly have been radical sentiments and there are radicals present radical symbolism in sentiments in we're going to be talking later in the program about a friend of. the great british war hero. he's a radical william blake put the same term there's a painting of nelson here a picture of nelson here showing less sympathy for radicalism argument there really
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kind of key exhibits. for the exhibition dealing with blake's one man show 1819 the key exhibits we've got here are allegorical paintings of admiral nelson and the prime minister pitt and they're both shown as figures guiding biblical monsters and bring chaos on the and destruction to the world that's very true we know that blake was not a tory we know from voting records that he voted for the wake of the big opposition and 74 when he had the chance and he wasn't a fan of war he was a great pacifist and his opponent of war so these pictures are very intriguing quite complex and they seem to celebrate these national figures and what seems to be going on is that he's at presenting the idea of nelson war leader guiding the political monster who's going to bring chaos and destruction out of that there will be some kind of spiritual rebirth and whether you know whether you see that as a positive thing or a negative thing i think really kind of depends on your. especially not the
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american evangelical right well i mean yes you can't exactly i think that i think there is that aspect of course the left of long celebrated william blake notably from the poem london. chartered what is blake's relationship with private property versus public probably well i mean blake has been long been a favorite figure amongst the liberal the left wing intelligentsia and they see in him powerful social commentary and they see in him a commitment to spiritual values against materialism against capitalism but blake was also need to put bread on the table and i think it's a much more ambiguous and complex relationship with with with with modern capitalism so yeah i mean blake comes out and he observes the poverty in the struggle which is going on in the world and in london around him and he complains about tyranny and king merchants and big business men and the damage
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that slavery child labor slavery and child labor i mean that that's that's that's all in there at the same time you know he put it on the table and the people that he worked for the people that he aligned himself with to some extent i mean it didn't work because he died in obscurity and no one really liked his work when he. came there he was he was a shadowy figure but there were moments in his career was actually quite celebrated but yeah he's in the margins but by no means are quite as obscure as the mythology would have us believe he became england's one of england's greatest artists writers renaissance men after his death what was the need for leads to reclaim. the maybe the greatest you know i think blake's posthumous reputation as a really fascinating story in his life was a pretty obscure figure but the last 10 years based life he found new support with some younger artists. john varley younger men much more professionally successful who look to him as the art. type the model of the authentic artist and the
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environment being one of the key issues facing mankind at the moment just tell me a little bit about the newton painting i mean obviously blake didn't know about newton's interest in alchemy and how that shows with blake love the environment destroyed the importance of it there played lived in the city throughout his life apart from a short period in sussex the 18th hundreds there's a lot of nature imagery running through his his work leaves and tendrils and growing forms and new to this extraordinary very memorable image of the 17th century scientist shown is this new to figure in this in a cave or underwater that seems to be really an allegory about how reason and geometry and science might involve risks involving turning our back on nature if you look at the forms that he's sitting on and he would need to see the print in the flesh to get the sense of this incredibly complex organic forms that we don't know how he created this using the using is print media you can see their idea of
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science and nature being opposed in in quiet and the risks of opposing science and nature being exposed to really thank you martin you're only speaking to me there the tate britain i'm joined now by peter lyn about the author of red round globe out burning the title taken from william blake about the struggle of 2 and the privatization revolutionaries peter welcome to going underground so we have a labor leader here talking about nationalisation we have an exhibition on william blake at the tate gallery just around the corner from this studio tell me about the title of the book read around a globe hot burning yes red brown burning it's from a poem by william blake a prophetic poem his response to the 1st successful slave revolt in 87 to 91 and read brown blog burning her 1st to the closure of census and this was at a time of the enclosure of land and the closure of the hand. but for blake it also
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is a mental kind of enclosure and a spiritual kind he was afraid that the red brown globe which was represented both his heart and the world around him was destined for obliteration and the ray sure the terrible few but one who was prophetic power i think helped me understand the time that we live in. i want to get to haiti in a bit of course a country now known for poverty or talking about it in the book is one of the richest countries in the world these 2 figures catherine and edward despond there's actually a t.v. series on the statement they did b.b.c. about them why do you find them such emblematic figures is when it comes to understanding the world today well they both were from different to european and british colonies edward s. barred from the oldest colony of britain ireland. catherine or kate from
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one of the richest colonies of europe haiti or sandow mang as it was known at the time she was a woman of color so this was a mixed race couple at a time when this doctrine of white supremacy accompanied imperialism and and and capitalism so to tell a figure the story of these 2 figures. who according to orthodox a premises opinion responsibly kept apart they were comrades in struggle for democracy and also for the commons believe in that privatization of land or privatization of of the hand and factories and above all in plantations was detrimental oppressive and miserable i'm actually surrounded here in the studio with images of the jacobin french revolution but you say that not only $789.00 but $802.00 is a crucial year the beginning of the anthropocene you claim the defeat of the irish
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republic victory in haiti and jefferson terminating native america tell me about 1802 and why you see it is so important. counter-revolution against the hopes of common people for seen property land and life in common in community. you know too also is a time of napoleon's corbet with the pope. so it's a time of sympathy or counter revolution in the name of a king and property against the hopes of a equality and fraternity that had been the international already know the world to slogans after the french revolution and indeed liberty or death was the slogan of the ations slaves who it inspired and will continue to inspire slave revolts for freedom throughout the americas in the coming century it is of course had in
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venezuela today and in cuba back to despise i mean how does he go from being best friends with nelson to end up being executed in london yes the nation's hero and the nation's villain had joined together in a imperialist plot of $70.00 to $80.00 to divide north from south america by going up the san juan river which is now in nicaragua separating it from costa rica desperate and became a minor figure in the british empire but he was not the white supremacist and so when he did invade it ups the city lots in belize where he was superintendent he did so equally and all through this you suggest i mean at the moment it was bernie sanders in the united states army kuhlmann as i say here in britain talking about a change in society in this book you say that the concept of the underground is so
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important i have to say that this shows cool going on the ground you say it's religious geological political and it's key to regaining the idea of common ownership. yes i do. first geologically speaking what lies underneath the ground was removed and became the basis of energy for the steam engine at the heart of mechanisation and of course that energy produces as a side effect c o 2 carbon dioxide which then goes into the stratosphere and thus is the beginning of planetary warming so that's one meaning of the underground another meaning of course comes from the religion at that time which was christianity where it was thought that jesus even went to hell underground in order in order to comfort those who had been but deviled on this earth finally the underground
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was that of union organizers political reformers and democrats who had been forced to a clandestine surreptitious life by acts the combination acts against trade unions of 7098 this so there is a 3rd meaning of the underground but if i think now. or perhaps with blake in a poetic voice we need to remove it from the land of metaphor and bring it back into our future so here in the states we are so deeply grateful to grandson byrd for instance who is calling us to think planetary warming not crisis is a crisis also of austerity because this warming comes directly from the capitalist mechanisation world people and stop you them all from peta plus u.k.
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labor party advisor professor guy standing off of this break. this is a story about what happens auster a stray bullet kills a young girl in the streets. who happens to have family and daughters in florida know the mother daughter is buried in a cemetery meaning this is with your head what happens to the community the public was screaming for a scapegoat the police needed a scapegoat so why not choose a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to pin this on than him and what happens in cohen's. shot after shot smar office i feel. we don't know still justice for the. end of this trial unfortunately you. will
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still not know who killed justice for. the democrats want to recapture the white house in a bad way their hatred of trump with the help of the liberal mainstream media as witness presidential candidates say some of the most extraordinary things but there is nothing x. or. ordinary about their hatred of the president the question is do they have ideas to win. in 2040 you know bloody revolution to correct the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be increasingly violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it still or hiccup what if i mean you know let's put video put him in the news out on the political the former ukrainian president recalls the
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events of 2040. those who took. part in this state over 5000000000 dollars to assist ukraine in these and other calls it will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. welcome back i'm still here with peter of course we haven't established should still here in in britain you seem to imply that capitalism changed the woods of the lord's prayer you tell us a little bit about the ben franklin i think was shocked 57981768 general strike of the river thames which was accompanied by roma famine at the time as well we sued riots and he thought that the prayer to give us this day our daily bread expressed a kind of entitle not that that contradicted the free market idiology of that you
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had to pay to live. so he changed the lord's prayer but i think the established church need to know how to. i'm not sure they accepted this blake of course also had a version of the lord's prayer which more directly refers to all things in common so it's ok in a way that failed but the but the full spectrum attempts at trying to demonize the colemans you do say that in common parlance when people say that's a bit common and how that became pejorative an insult you trace that to spoons and cup 3 well yes it was no longer ate out of a common dish you're expected to carry your own spoon. and spruance and these refinements were new in a way of degrading and spartan prison was to deny him these simple implements of
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consumption this movement of enclosure is connected with the degradation of the body and the enclosure also not just of land and of the hand and of the streets and punishment but of the body itself and today we can find echoes of it even in sport you talk about the game of rackets yeah. you know it human beings are a cooperative species where kripke areas feces so even in the depravity and degradation of prison. prisoners were associates and and find ways of sharing or find ways of self-government and discard was there he had been in belize he'd been a mom going to mayan people and learn new games which are described in the pope to fool the ancient text of the mayan people and i think he brought this to to the
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prisoners and so the game of racquets which later of course becomes an upper class sport in britain or has this beginning within what we can say is the prison criminal population of england as lovely as a great importation from central america from indigenous peoples but this is just one indication of the enclosure of land so that even sport and life and and all activity becomes enclosed with the loss of the commons i'm going to tell you over here everyone's talking about something called the irish backstop and bricks if you trace social progress in this country where i'm speaking if you have room from those who have experienced english oppression and island tell me about the almost singular importance of britain's 800 year. coal in the oh i'm glad you put it that way almost singular it's the 1st the 1st colony of course of the many colonies
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afterwards and the experience of the of the english ruling class in ireland becomes the basis of conquest elsewhere as derry becomes londonderry the same people establish jamestown in virginia. so and that's in the 17th century but at the time and discard ireland becomes. becomes a place an experimental graveyard you could say as a periodic famines an english agriculture and food policy is 1st dealt with in ireland so our man desk part was of this minor gentry this anglo irish ruling class but he revolted against it there so many primary sources you know in the book telling us william wilberforce isn't the great man we're told about in the
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textbooks you talk about how britain and france come together to destroy a haiti what is the relevance then of the book particularly about property ownership in the news here today we have the future labor government might want to stop landlords from being able to permanent the own property and give rights to tenants what is the relevance of the book today the earth as a common treasury for all it is not so much more of a few this is an old if you know lessons for today from discards here is that we can make the world a new this is what thomas paine and thomas spence taught us we are not we don't have to be ruled by a few and we are capable of self-government i think these are the lessons for our times now even though this pod was executed in london because you say clearly napoleon the british prime minister then henry addington they came together to
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destroy the light of revolution in haiti we see today in fact your book begins with the zapatistas opposing the w t o whereas the hope up the hope is is all around us this neoliberal onslaught was is. is in response to the zapatistas to the movement of women up throughout the planet it's in response against father. feminization of poverty it's a movement against. against the hopes and liberation and demands for a wife not just to vote but to live and to live well to live happily with a roof with clean water with good food we have a place to play in a way there are modest plants from africa to indonesia from australia to to the great lakes of north america and collusion have been
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destroyed by the false idiology of privatisation be the little thank you well the arguable western european leader of the fight against privatization and for the commons is jeremy corbyn joining me now is an advisor to his u.k. labor party the author of the new book plunder of the commons professor guy standing guy thanks for coming back on so how can historic concepts i know your new book talks about the 1217 charter the force how can that translate into actual policy right now ahead of an imminent general election well of the charter of the forest that you just mentioned which was sealed in the bam of the 5th $1217.00 was a foundation stone for the british constitution and the constitution of other democracies and basically what it did was it said that everybody had a right to subsistence everybody had a right to home a right to work and the right to live in the commons and the commons was meant then
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as access to common resources which belong to all of us social amenities and common in the practice of sharing in activities sharing with wealth and sharing in life and it established a theme that runs all the way through our history which is that the commons is needed to give society you can't have a good society unless you have. rich commons even when jerry corwin makes searingly models proposals to national israel water malin electricity there's an outcry from the society that you call it saying this is extreme it's not traditional well of course the idea of the commons was that it referred to natural resources land water air sea beds all the natural resources the minerals under the ground but it also referred to social abilities and social services that were
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created as a commons if you take water for example water is always been part of our commons water is owned by all of us and by nobody and yet margaret thatcher in 1909 privatized our water system and created 9 regional private monopolies that had control of our water tends water for example which was privatized part of that system have been convicted of pouring 1600000000 tonnes of untreated sewage into our water system and other water companies have also been the record levels of completely none of our rivers are now safe for drinking or swimming if that is a legitimate process i'm a duck again plunder of the commons you you also explain how the london of blake
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and i know it can be applied to cities all around the world but the london of william blake who we heard about earlier in the show privatisation of kings cross railway station to headquarters battersea power station is it too late when you advise the shadow chancellor is it too late to untangle little or no i think we need a reversal of the privatisation of our cities and towns boris johnson when he was campaigning to become mayor of london said it terrible that the corporatization of london has gone too far. ok we're breaking into the program because today looks set to be a historic day for the united arab emirates it's all because a 3 month crew of a stroll to set to embark on their journey to the international space station in the coming minutes and indeed if it all goes the plan it will be historic day for the u.a.e. which will see its 1st ever astronaut launched into space alongside counterparts
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from the u.s. cosmonaut from russia the soyuz rocket will be taking off from baikonur in context any moment now so let us cross right there to the plains of kazakhstan where saskia taylor r t correspondent is baikonur for us exciting stuff lots of anxious times especially in the build up the few moments before a launch what do we know saskia. well here i am on the steps of kazakhstan at the historic baikonur cosmodrome and in just a couple of minutes so use m.s. 15 will last off launching 3 people as part of expedition 61 to the international space station now flying today russian cosmonaut an american astronaut just to come in and. months away from the united arab emirates not this you want has drawn in a bigger crowd than usual y. while full military pilot tons of elements where he will become the fust amorality
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and indeed the 1st arab to ever set foot on the international space station so obviously a very exciting passing voyage but also an important day and a day of national pride. and even though of course he is undoubtedly under great pressure on this historic day for his country he still managed with his back up at the press conference on tuesday to recall some of the like to moments during that training. in the final stage for training we had to. mock up the isis mock up and. we were doing. that simulating that's what you are going to do in board the station and i was a little bit alerts because they know ideas would be up emergencies you know you so i caught that 1st and i just. got up to my command that i don't have pledge our pledge which is reply and russian. and he does the he said just mug it has a m
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t just to ask between us and it was like fast reaction and. i think we did that time. now he's only going to be on board for 8 days but he has an action packed schedule apart from participating in several experiments he's also going to give the fussed at the arabic language 2 of the station as well as several live interviews with people here down on earth now this is also unique because it is for the fast times the i assess will be a bit cramped usually power just $3.00 to $6.00 astronauts on board and now that will be and 9 so everyone here and huge anticipation at baikonur the eyes of the arab world and of course the rest of the world as a man soria alongside his cosmonaut and fellow astronaut jessica take to the skies and i believe it's going to be any 2nd now that's telling us that it's going to be
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within the next couple of seconds. and we can see that the engine has ignited. an. listo. sing a spectacle. a spectacle of the light of sound and of course all of that movement really does have that old just so you can understand
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what it feels like to be standing where i am i'm around 2 kilometers away from the launch pod known as the garden star and the ground underneath me you can hear the people polled say the girl. around underneath me is just ribs rating this is not a trauma but the shaking from the last of its going through my whole body combined not of course with the deafening roar as those engines kicked into action imagine the power that is needed in order to propel that 15 me to tool 310 ton rocket into the and then of course you have that beautiful the mesmerizing flame of the fuel that ignited it really is almost indescribably dramatic so what happens now well if they've been flying for around 30 to 40 seconds they're around 11 kilometers above the earth and travelling at an amazing 1600 kilometer says hour at this moment that bodies feel twice as heavy up there as they do down on earth
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and a couple of minutes that capsule is going to come out of the dog because the casing around the nose in which the capsule sits off and so sunlight will stream through that window so they'll see light for the 1st time in several hours and then the next big moment is around 9 minutes off to launch 3 they'll get into the right orbit the last engine will cut out and they'll be on their way to the i asked us they're going to orbit around 4 times and that's going to take about 6 hours before they enter it's exactly also at that night minute point that for the fust time that going to feel microgravity which is of course the famous feeling of weightlessness in space so what are they going to do once the up while they're due to come down in march 2020 and they have got lots to get on with not only have they got to conduct over 300 experiments with a focus on astronauts health problems with vision.

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