partner of the chavez group as well as former president of d.c. young democrats here in moscow we have graham elwood he is a regular on the door show is well as host of the political bija lanty on you tube also in moscow we were joined by alex kristof he is the director and writer for the duran dot com all right gentlemen cross-like rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate kevin you're representing the democrats on this on this program so welcome as i said in my introduction it's very short and very straight and straightforward i mean other than the hatred of the current president donald trump in the white house what do the democrats actually really have because if you've been watching the presidential debates it seems to me in my opinion they're kind of out of step with the general public and the electorate i mean it's really a lunge to the left maybe i'm wrong go ahead haven't well there has been for a lot of can of this they've been trying to launch to the left as you put it but let's keep in mind of course president trump is one of the most unpopular presidents we've had with approval rating consistently in the low forty's.

disapproval rating is consistently in the low fifty's and among independents his approval rating is about $38.00 or 39 percent so this dislike for donald trump is not just limited to democrats or those running for president so that's why electability has been an important topic but i think the other topic and i'm sure will talk about it more is health care what will happen with health care which plan will be able to coalesce democrats to support one person will it be the bernie sanders medicare for all where you eliminate premiums but taxes may go up or is it joe biden's plan which says hey let's allow people to keep private insurance but we add a public option i think that will be the the main issue and has consistently at least in polls seems to be the main issue other than electability argument around defeating trump ok will graham if i can glean from what kevin said it's what corporatists version of medicare is going to be presented to the american. people

because that's what it sounds like it's it seems to me that you know even though there's a lunge to the left it's still very very this spectrum of what is acceptable no is what plan where it'll just be a repeat of obamacare all over again and we know what happened there go ahead i mean yeah look the health care industry gives the both parties equally so the democratic party is still trying to launch to the left is just so bernie sanders you know his policies are populist and they're the most popular platforms out there and so any time i hear somebody like liz warren or joe biden have this like well we've got to have something for the private insurance industry i know that they've been taken money from the private insurance industry because medicare for all is bad for the one percent you know i don't agree that there's a liberal media in america i think it's a corporate media and you know that's what's happening and so the democratic party as we've seen time and time again they would rather lose to republicans than let progressives take over the party because of progressive takeover they lose their

gravy train and they keep coming up with these crazy polls even though bernie sanders is the only guy that has gotten a 1000000 unique donors no one else has done that and so i just the democratic party almost like they want to rerun this whole we need a centrist to be trump like liz warren who in october of 2017 along with cory booker and 3 other democrats voted to give trump an extra $80000000000.00 for his war budget that he didn't even ask for i mean i can't sit here and listen to his or her she wants to green up the military that's her solution to climate change i dislike the people in the middle east are going to rest easy knowing they're going to get bombed by rockets powered by bio diesel. they've got to let me go to alex to finish out the panel here but alex that he can't can the democrats because i'm not going to budge from my introduction i mean it is the hatred of this president that the democrats are running on that's what they're really running on here i don't think the american public to actually understand what there is being said about health care is. separate will be free but of course it will never be free even we

how much everyone has to pay for it they never square the circle there but you know alex your the conservative on the program on the panel that is. i don't see any of these candidates having the grabby toss even to come near term when it comes to the general election i mean we're going to watch them chew each other each other up for the next few months but at the end of the day none of these candidates have the right stuff go ahead alex yeah i mean that in my opinion peter they're living in trump's frame and trump is when you're living in someone's frame you know you can't beat that person no matter what it is and trump is just you know he's dictating the narrative over and over again and the democrats played a very poor card and that card was russia gate the entire russia could hoax another pivoting to this ukraine hoax so i mean they spent all their time focusing on an issue that wasn't even real instead of actually talking about policy and i would like to hear some policy coming from the democrats i would like to hear some policy

some progressive policy because there is a lot of overlap i like it when told see gabbert talks i like what she has to say specially about the war policy and the noninterventionist policy the problem with candidates like liz warren and cory booker and kemal harriss is that they like to like to give a lot of woken progressive babble and double speak but they're not progressive they're neo liberals and they're just not believable and. everyone's trying to out woke the other person and it's just not working well i'll tell you alex it alienates a lot of people this woking it's ok because that's not part of solutions kevin you know i mean you know you're going to be the minority on this one i'm really happy you're here but i mean what's the difference between their policy suggestions and virtues signaling because you know you go from resistance to russia russia russia to racist i mean you the democrats could try. keep pivoting these things that just

fizzle or have no substance whatsoever and that the democrats say it's good for the public it's quite exhausting what's their next little trick out of the hat i mean. there is the perception that there is just this the only thing you need to do is hate trump in a world will be a better place but we all know that's not going to happen go ahead kevin. well that it can't just be about that but lying to ourselves if we don't mitt that this president has given us a lot of chaos to talk about most presidents haven't had from day to day so many different things that occur that give people fodder to talk about whether it's rush or whether it's different financial improprieties he's committed whether it's other embarrassing things he said or done so in some ways even though i don't think he necessarily plans all these things it does keep democrats off balance and we do have to make sure to focus on policy objectives that are important to people that's

why the health care debate is so important and even with gun control we're starting to see more people come around on maybe restricting access to some of these assault weapons and these semiautomatic and automatic rifles that are decide designed to kill as many people as possible said obviously hell yes i'll take your a r 15 and i don't think that is necessarily helpful because they have like a have and so what happens to the state of texas now when you have bedo rever is real name is talking about taking your guns away confiscation i mean the folks sitting at home haven't broken any laws whatsoever and now you've got to have you know knocking on the door and compensation you know they call it a buyback while the government didn't sell it to people this buyback is even it's a misnomer gram again for me this is just give it to me got a grammy and this is just diversions it just to versions they are for the for the corporate class to get the white house back for themselves i mean that is. i'm not

i don't i'm not i'm not carrying water for donald trump here ok i have my own criticisms of him but in watching the debates i think the watching the democrats a baby they're going to give him another 4 years easy go ahead oh you know what they bring up the other guy's guy brought up a great point like tolson gabber talks an anti war anti interventionist stance and all suddenly she didn't qualify for the last debates despite the fact that she had you know the democrats have this crazy byzantine on purpose primary they want to talk about russia russia russia for 3 years one of they talk about the own cheating they did in their own primary in 2016 the superdelegates are a joke they're obviously using the lives warren who's a fake progressive she's a capitalist and she's a war candidate. to steal votes away from bernie sanders you and what they need to do is policy when you talk about somebody that says who spends bernie's been saying this for 3 or 4 decades medicare for all student debt forgiveness free college tuition and the wars and a comprehensive green new deal and rules how are you going to pay for it nobody

asks how we're going to pay for the f. $35.00 nobody asks how we're going to pay for these 9 wars where you know what when we got to go to war with iraq nobody asked what's it's going to cost so the democratic party is deliberately keeping like people like bernie and told see quiet so they can put their corporate is back in there if you want to go after donald trump you can't just say he's bad go after things like he gave a $1.00 trillion dollar tax break to his millionaire buddies talk about the fact that he ran on an anti interventionist stance and hasn't held true to that talk about the fact that his tariffs on china are hurting american farmers go after specific things he's done you can't just say trump russia bad bad bad it's not a kid's not a campaign i'm with her was the dumbest campaign i've ever heard in my life she didn't get my back i have to get the back of a rich white lady and that's what i want to go back to your point and i. am a conservative big gramma's a progressive and we have a lot of overlap there and you know. and i'm really glad he's on the program but

alex i want to go back to your point about living in donald trump's frame you know and that's what he's been able to do i mean every time he says something there's a triggered reaction haven't they learned by now that that's all done purposely they don't seem to get it do they go ahead alex well they actually do get it i think it away because it's the corporate media that has made a lot of money off of donald trump yeah you know i remember during you know the bernie sanders was campaigning they didn't give him any airtime everything was focused on trump or hillary clinton trump or hillary clinton no one knew what bernie was was talking about if you were watching m s n b c and c.n.n. and so now you have bernie once again trying to be the democrat candidate but now you have liz warren and kemal harris and all these fake progressives trying to out bernie bernie but they're not believable that's the problem but bernie's problem peter if i could just say it is that he had a chance to start a revolution his message was was understandable i understood his message i may not

have agreed with a lot of parts of it but i understood it but when push came to shove and he was cheated he was cheated out of the democrat candidacy and my example of it and he expects it did ok alex i got to campaign hearing i got to jump in here we're going to misstate we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of the democrats saying with our. this is a story about what happens auster a stray bullet kills a young girl in the street. what happens to her family and daughters in florida. with my other daughter is very innocent and terry. messes with your head what happens to the community the public was screaming. for

a scapegoat the police need is a scapegoat so why not choose a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to pin this on than him and what happens in court the be. shot after shot as far as society we feel. we don't know chills just for the. end of this trial unfortunately you. will still not know who killed just. you know world a big part of the law and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that made history media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for

the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. skies are financial survival. when customers go by you reduce the price. to now well reduce a flower. that's undercutting not what's good for markets it's not good for the global economy. in 2040 you know bloody revolution to tikrit the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know lawyer here i mean you know liz put video through to me in the new bill is that i do split needle the former ukrainian president recalls the events of 2014. of those who took both invested over 5000000000. dollars to assist you in these and i think it will

ensure secure and prosperous and democratic. welcome back to across not where all things are considered and peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the democrats. ok let's go back to kevin watch and i'm going to give you an option i'll give you 2 questions you can feel whatever one you want because i think they're both equally important here i don't know how much does the squad's so-called so-called run the democratic party at the expense of nancy pelosi the speaker of the house or this is

like a game show now how how is how is the a possible impeachment process going to benefit the democrats if they continue down the path in light of quote unquote biden's. actually said it right biden's ukraine gate but it's going to be called. a or b. take your choice kevin go ahead. take a stab at both one i'll say is pretty easy out say palosi runs the party until the democratic nominee is selected she's the most powerful democrat and she's gotten the squad to fall in line pretty pretty regularly especially when they voted for speaker and she's gotten them to sort of tone down some of their statements on a lot of things they show a lot of sisterly love on social media and things of that nature but the squad obviously has a lot of influence especially with the more left progressive wing with younger voters with minority voters because of their historic sort of demographics that they represent the 1st muslim women in congress so for now with the. question about

impeachment. it does seem like palosi is reluctantly starting to come around i still think it is politically risky i think trump deserves to be impeached you don't need to necessarily commit official crime you can commit conduct unbecoming of the office i think he did that when you signed the check to storm ok so that but that's not a word i'm sorry we're not in the constitution that's not in the constitution ok we're going to stick to the letter of the law ok and that and then that's that ok he's a loser for a reason. you don't say well no but it isn't in the constitution the federalist is not law ok the constitution is ok high crimes and misdemeanors but it is what it is you know graham same. mr peter kay ok mr peter you know you are how you behave badly in public that's not a mr meaner ok it's just behaving bad in public brand let me go to you but i don't mean you know that. i'm a liberal that's why i'm saying it ok i don't give people

a pass for saying fluff things like they do on c.n.n. and it's n.b.c. 247 every single day graham let me go to you here this impeachment thing is a complete diversion because it doesn't talk about what's really happening in the country again the democrats don't learn the lessons of 2016 the lessons of this failed hoax run the russia hoax and now they're going to continue to do it i mean under obama till 2016 they lost a 1000 seats across the country they're going to keep losing seats graham you know i would i like to see trump impeached yeah i think that be fun i think you could get him on the amalia's clause but ultimately it is a waste of time because most of the 60 percent of americans don't have 501000 dollars in savings all right there are 40000000 people living in poverty in america when obama was in office we went from 2 wars to 7 ok we need to stop the 22 vets a day commit suicide because of p.t.s.d. from all these ridiculous regime change. all the neo liberals on the left talking

russia russia did they want world war 3 so this is another distraction because the democratic party cannot go wow look at how corrupt we are because again if they point out it's like a drug dealer pointing to another drug dealer going you're corrupt both party we don't have a 2 party system in america we have 2 classes we have the ruling class which owns both parties and all of the media and then you got the 99 percent so if the democrats actually were the party of f.d.r. they would go with policies that will help people's lives like free health care like student debt forgiveness millenniums can't buy homes like 30000 people a year dying because they don't have health insurance the number one cause of bankruptcy is health costs so i don't and if you and the people on the left theirs they hate trump so badly which i don't like him i'm not a fan of him at all but let me tell you something trump is just an egomaniac you get an idealogue in there like mike pence what's he going to do if he's president how shocked the gay out of people and outlaw lunch with women. go do you have an

opinion there graham well said. let me go back to you about impeachment and then this whole thing going around joe biden i mean joe biden is a. it seems the allegations that he had some wrongdoing in ukraine and least abuse of power here so the alleged abuse of power again i am always careful with my words the alleged abuse of power is somehow donald trump's fault can you explain that to us. yeah but biden bragged about it video peter and we've all seen that video so i mean you know we can't forget we have to go back to to ukraine and once again and graham was mentioning the regime change wars you create it was a regime change war that was a coup initiated once again by obama and we can criticize trump all we want but up until today at this very moment trump has not taken the us into

a war he's going to be the 1st u.s. president i believe about 30 years who has not taken the us to a war at the end his 1st 3 years in office obama took us to libya he destroyed syria he overthrew the government in ukraine obama obama bogged down the u.s. in so many useless and ridiculous kajal innocent and wars and obama brought russia we can't forget that all of this stems from that failed coup in ukraine it was a failure because you destroyed a country split the country apart and you created absolute chaos and here you have biden and his son hunter making deals in ukraine and biden bragging about it he bragged about it on video we've seen the video this is bad news for biden ok kevin tell us a governor's name was already mentioned in this program is the d.n.c. really out to get her i mean to pull another bernie on her because you know you you

know you talked about the squad without using the democrats favorite word diversity my favorite word is unity but the democrats prefer diversity which i have no idea what you mean when you talk about that but there is a diverse opinion about foreign policy coming from the congresswoman from home y e and it seems like nobody in the d.n.c. or the mainstream media wants to hear about it why is that. probably because the voters don't honestly look she can't get 2 percent in may. in 4 major polls so to me she's a non-factor that's why those are qualified 002000 you're not going to. see those are polls picked by the d.n.c. career right major hold your the end of their message only an economist's right she can't get 2 percent so she's not a threat to o.c. gabbert will not be president she never had a chance and i think best just to get out there somebody on the ground she did not have a chance does she bring diverse ideas yes she does and i like that she she is for

anti-war anti interventionist and a lot of cases but this idea that she's getting raw but what about it on there her bernie. bernie since you like to see other candidates take a point of view that is a against the mainstream in the status quo when it comes to foreign wars would you like to hear liz worn say that or spartacus whatever his name is would you like him to say something like that would you like if you were like you here would you like to hear more diversity in from your party when it comes to foreign policy yes that be a good idea look i will i will say this yes i would be and i think that is something the president deserves credit for he has not taken us into another war itself like we've gotten close but he avoided doing so even with john bolton in the white house so that's a that is a credit to him because he's one of the biggest warmongers we've we've had in an ministration finally if we could agree on at least we can agree on that let me go to graham graham because your domain is you tube also alex that's your domain as

well. i don't know graeme maybe i'm wrong but i've seen a lot of telsey up on you tube but the mainstream media doesn't like to talk to her but a lot of alternative media loves to talk to her and look at those eyeballs and heads it's quite amazing that's the thing that they keep that they does the kevin just all the major polls the polls run by the corporate media the polls run by channels they get funding from boeing and raytheon and all these other defense contractors you know when. 2 debates ago when tulsi took out harris and called harris out rightly so under fact 120000 people of color behind bars is the attorney general of the state of california kamaal was like what you can't talk to me that way i'm the anointed one i said 2 things one i'm glad he did that and 2 the d.n.c. is not going to let that happen again and no matter how much she meets the number of donors and they still find all this poll they tell take this poll but not that one this is how they rigged the system this is how they weigh the scales they are

not a big tent there are 10 for the oil lobby because if they were really if they really wanted to go after trump they would talk about his whole cabinet is climate change deniers and we're facing complete climate collapse but then you have joe biden say we need a middle ground on climate policy oh man i love corporate centrism it's so such bold thinking like joe biden was alive in the sixty's he would have told rosa parks don't move to the front of the bus it's too crazy it's too big of a purity test why don't you move to the middle of the bus and move up in fact one row at a time wait a couple years get bipartisan support wait for the right polls to line up and then we'll try to figure out and doing that thing the democrats aside from tulsa and burning have no bold leaders they have corporate mouthpieces and lap dogs to power ok alex alex it seems to me this is this deja vu all over again the d.n.c. learned nothing from the 2016 election they're still going through the same process

of selection and it's you know it's the media that drives it you know the the cnn's and m.s.m. b.c.'s in the d.n.c. i mean it's not really much about democracy it seems to me it's about who privileged annoying to go ahead. yeah and illusion of democracy especially on the democratic side of things because at the end of the day where you're going to have our super delegates we're going to choose the candidates just like they did in 2000. and 16 and once again i go back to the fact that bernie had a chance to create a progressive party and he didn't take that chance he had that opportunity he didn't take it with the united states needs is what you're a pass peter and you know what i'm talking about more parties a diverse group of parties you want a progressive party they need a progressive party bernie had that opportunity he didn't take it well hear the crowd and you know we haven't i'm part of he was denied it he was denied it in any

detail i was denied any law if you take the opportunity to take his movement outside of the democrat party instead he said i'm going to work within the democratic establishment that doesn't work i agree with alex wholeheartedly he should have in 2016 he had a moment chris hedges said. he had a moment there in 2016 to just go let's start our own party and he could have brought people like nina turner and told to gabbert who stepped down from the d.n.c. and could have started this 3rd party and all of us progressive that belled lied to and cheated in 2016 we probably would have gone on board with him ok on that note gentlemen we've run out of time fascinating discussion many thanks to my guests in washington and in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember.

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