go but i just don't think that fits comfortably with those of us who thought we had one referendum and democrats liberals would respect the outcome and we take the tempter from north of the border from national columnist and broadcaster ruth wishart the courts brought the scottish dimension to bret's it back to the center stage by ruling in favor of the case against procreation led by s. and p. m. picture on a charity q.c. our scottish politics going to be the real story of this epic autumn briggs' isn't just damaging to the u.k. as a whole briggs is damaging to scotland all kinds of coakley she's done about the job losses lately in scotland the last coal commission i think was 100000 jobs lost so i think the scottish government has taken the view that for in the short term at least stopping briggs or at least open a new deal breaks it has to take priority but 1st your tweets messages and emails and response to last week's show where alex interviewed michael sullivan the author of the leveling robert says we can't wait that long now this is in response to

michael suggestion the scottish independence will come within the next 5 to 10 years moreover says westminster now resembles alice in wonderland and it's not fit for purpose we need out not let's says again in relation to michael fantastic guest here i'll get the bit louis says professor bosch give a nice summary of the thinking behind the whole independence in europe idea that we've been away dobson's 1990 or so he also pointed out the threat to self-determination and equality of the sensualist empire like united states of europe and finally jamie says i think you should get nice a choice for your case where to me i quite like our chairs if you've got any suggestions for new chairs please do said the major now since our last consultation of the commentators political drama in the u.k. has finally reached the surreal stage this is the woman of the moment joanna chatty i say the supreme court on tuesday this is vice given to her majesty the queen was unlawful his position is untenable. and he should have the guts for wants to do the

decent thing and resign the government attempted a poor going against parliament and ended up facing a parliament you could against the government with the commons once again seizing control of legislation to rule out a no do you break that boris johnson dominic cummings latest snap election trap for the opposition who probably refused to walk into it leaving the prime minister hi i'm dry when parliament resumed earlier this month he had a bare majority now after a purge of a year to files it is in a minority of over 40 now johnson has become the 1st ever u.k. prime ministers to lead her majesty the queen herself into illegality his position as prime minister now heinz by a trade however as this week's conference is made clear the opposition labor party is also still full of the wool bricks it in contrast levels of the i think we should have a spring in their step but can they really stop breaks at the thought of the seams

the pull to be done except for the prime minister to buckle down and actually try and pull off are you to pin deal if he intends to meet the hard how low in debt like it is either do a deal or dive in the last ditch even for the high wire politician like boris johnson this would hardly seem the moment to rest defying the courts by ignoring parliamentary legislation survival itself will be difficult enough without jumping headlong into the void all these little parties technics resulted probably resuming unexpectedly yesterday with the m.p. who kicked off the court proceedings leading the debate answered by the attorney general whose legal advice to boris johnson landed the prime minister in this supremely court suit if anyone could tell us what happens next it is our commentators alex is joined by peter oborne and lembit of pick. i'm joined by our top political pundits ball again great city and labor opec a born again remainder of peter obama. guys lestrange all of you did not

forecast that the supreme court of the united kingdom and the unanimous decision was going to declare the prime minister under queen's actions unlawful whenever you think you. were could have predicted probably the most momentous day in modern political legal history something since something like the $688.00 revolution it's something which we will be studied for centuries to come it'll be in every legal textbook it will be every poster to tional work and at the say personally watching it i was so emotionally affected in the web only once been affected in that way before was the lord hutton inquiry when the what happened stood up and cleared john scarlett the j.i.c. guy tony blair from anything wrong in david kelly and the iraq war. was fought on the ground there and i almost on the ground here while i agree it's as the mentors

design it's a different reasons i think this is as big a travesty as what happened in the iraq review you're right maybe i am a born again dress a tear but this is about politics where being told by the courts that the prime minister hasn't got the right to decide when to paroch government even leaving aside the bricks of the building of government force that limits are eroding parliament and that's the key because the courts of surely up held parliamentary so ok you're right but really i just think they've upheld a new precedent one which says that just as we are meant to have fixed term parliaments numbers really mean anything at all so we're also the prime minister has to go cap in hand to parliament to ask permission to probe 3rd to me this is a terrible week for democracy and after. but you can ask what else needs to go to court before the prime minister or the government can act you are so wrong as a liberal democrat you should feel ashamed of yourself for saying that making that

kind of statement if you i followed every word of that suit the supreme court debate as it were discussion and what it was was a discussion about what comes 1st parliamentary democracy all the executive of legitimacy or all the executive and britain it was very clear you read if you listen to lord panix brilliant constitutional muster class we are a parliamentary democracy and the legislature is in charge and the executive does what it's told what while we can't see this at the moment we'll look back at this time and observe that this was the time when the executive began to lose power i don't know whether stands up but it doesn't end up in a more democratic system because i intervene as the referee your divisions reflect the divisions in the country perhaps who are the winners and the looser speaker who is a maelstrom these court judgments as big winners and who is looking a total loser the biggest loser is is the prime minister boris johnson who

advised the queen to perogue parliament and she did what she was asked queen victoria was not amused but queen elizabeth the circuit will be absolutely furious and then we come on to the matter of mr mr johnson's cabinet jacob riis mark is an honorable man he went out more or as a privy councillor to tell the queen to do this is he going to it's astonishing to me that he's had the audacity not to resign 66 years on the throne and queen elizabeth queen of scots could was with the 2nd of the united kingdom and no one has a prime minister who's led into unlawfulness you can't really say the forest. and deliberately miss that the queen the supreme court in scotland said exactly that the supreme court of the united kingdom said that didn't need to go into the

because the judgment stood in italy ok i don't think he did it on purpose but that's a moot point the fundamental issue for me is that there's almost no way out for bars to escape the promise he made that we would leave on the 31st of october he has to try to do that and if you play's clever here i think you could line him self up with what is definitely a junk bond risky strategy for a general election but a strategy that could actually propel him into majority and that's because this only works against boris johnson if the country is against him my feeling is this is causing the rage amongst the blacks it community which is far more motivating then the comfortable smugness of the remaining people but when you've been a member was a fierce critic of potus johnson but unusually you've always believed that he actually wants to do a deal would dispute the impetus if you can't get an election let's see that the only thing left is to do a deal with the johnson story of free choices at the moment to

a parliament as returns he will kind of bay the orders of parliament and go on the 19th of october and then ordered by parliament he will then deliver this request for an extension that would be the ultimate humiliation he can't do that politically or he can refuse that request in which case he would quit as prime minister. or he will go all out for a deal my view that he will go all out for a deal all the more so because now he's in number 10 he's seeing the warnings from the civil service about the calamity of no deal it's an absolute nightmare mr bob johnson those that i've had reports i've spoken to senior civil servants i mean go his goes why. with fear now they know that if they go for no deal it's going to cause utter chaos so your floor is good all that sort of deal but you think you'll go all out for an election but how does it get an election when the opposition has

them dying going on a highway. he could get a deal and that deal isn't defined although parliament has to approve it of course he could make a very simple a one page deal theoretically fulfills that condition now the election point i think is the big gambit here and i feel that the opposition parties have got themselves into a mess here the lib dems who are riding high to the extent almost level pegging with the labor party because as so clearly remain they say they want an election they want the not so keen but boris needs to clear the stance and is actually a much stronger position than is being implied if you had the breck's party vote to the conservative party but it's in the forty's even touching just over 50 percent now this is difficult and unpalatable for many people in the conservatives but faraz has made clear that he would do a sub deal with boras if he doesn't do a big deal with the european union so actually if we are delayed after 31st of

october he can appeal to the country and can join me couldn't really walk away from their next opportunity for a general election how damaging it could be for labor i don't think you can well lively so far joins us after the break for some more fireworks from our political pundits. this is a story about what happens after a stray bullet kills a young girl in the street. what happens to her family and daughters in florida. no mother and daughter is buried in a cemetery in communing messes with your head what happens to the community the public was screaming for a scapegoat the police needed a scapegoat so why not choose. a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to pen the sun than him and what happens in court.

shot after shot was fired off a side deal. we don't know just for the. end of this trial unfortunately. still not. sure just. to make this manufacture consent to public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves. in the final. listen to the one percent. nor middle of the room 6.

welcome back let's get back into this discussion guys the admission of a phrase to be greatly to blame. greatly to blame in this situation as dominic cummings the number one villain of the piece well mr cummings is one of the most unappetizing figures ever to play any role in number 10 downing street it was a great mistake by boris johnson to appoint this out of control bully who has behaved in an appalling way and it does obviously given dreadful advice to the prime minister surely you can't blame a meal at pfizer for the actions of the prime minister mean just not just appointed and he followed his advice is that lee said the person who made the decision people who are calling for cummings to basically use him as an. air raid shelter is a way of not calling this a license and go to medieval courts you didn't call for the removal of the moderate you settle get release bad advice yes you could dominate behavior as well. mr comey

has a leg up we too have a happier face as far as i'm concerned for this bad news wave singlehanded war everything is decent said one of the defense for honest accounting and i want one of the feds to signal to its behalf to us short memories we had peter mandelson we had alastair campbell we had andy cools and i think he went to present the piece written about the mole yeah and you know very well cummings hasn't actually committed a criminal offense he may behave in a question where but this seems to characterize senior advisers in the prime minister's office and here's the other danger you're making assumptions about how this plays out but if i'm right and boris johnson gets in the electoral bounce because the country on balance thinks this isn't fair then actually coming to come out so i want to use it well i should say that since before listing the whole the these dreadful special advisors they aren't here to defend themselves in my view of the world estimable people and of course come on this program any time to have their say that i want to look at the state of the past is in this remarkable

interrupted card for the season but let's just have a word 1st wherever our views on the matter of these 2 remarkable women from north and so for the border john kerry the m.p. q.c. for the s.n.p. and of course the miller who both brought successful court cases before them of no pulled off again one of them procedurally they have played a blinder whether i'd like what they've done or not they saw an opportunity particularly up there north of the border before it even became obvious to us and played the cards perfectly and i didn't ever followed that up i'm still surprised by what happened but i've got to credit the fact that she knew how it worked but it's got there's only that i say more the model be much more generous than you i think joe nocera and gina miller have now earned themselves a footnote each of them in british history. looking back over the whole sweep because they made a massive important pat on the constitutional legal political world we live in that

admirable women that heroes and i'd say the same or so i think lady justice holmes they did one of the point here what we've seen over the last 2 days is a blizzard of hatred aimed at the supreme court judges that remain as that out of touch that metropolitan they know that lets me say jacob riis mob it's an arrogance boris johnson eats an arrogant lady in a state educated a woman elderly a northerner now this is a real person with real experience in life unlike these arrogant old etonians who grooving this out when i was one son michael and came on real communication skills i want to go through very clearly as very clearly very specifically no you must agree that leave the heels of males as the head away of the hour you have put to start talking about the state or grammar or private school background simply illustrates how divided and distracted the whole debate is peter who's really upon

the going to remain a here loves what happened because he loves the outcome i'm not so keen because i don't like the outcome but objectively speaking is not what we think that matters it's what the country thinks and i think pete is in for a rude awakening that all the lead but you weren't you were one sort of mean as well as so let's hope your old lot when you were mean when you work part of the liberal democrat firmament i mean they must be walking on air no we're not i was remain a but i'm also a democrat not hasn't changed my frustration is as a river referendum nobody said oh well best of 3 and we're heading down that path lib dems in fairness totally consistent have been for 3 years they've actually become more militant and they remain they want to now say if joe sensor becomes prime minister she probably won't but if she did they wouldn't even have a referendum they simply just. remain so there's somewhere for remain as to go but i just don't think that fits comfortably with those of us who thought we had one referendum and democrats and liberals would respect the outcome last the guys who

had a great record as a panel over the summer didn't predict the supreme court but then who did but just about everything else to predict as i want to shorts freeze weather breaks. yes to breck said probably delayed leading to a general election which boris johnson can win as long as he does a deal with nigel for our peter i think that mr johnson will strike a deal with europe and i think he will probably take britain on a deal which looks almost identical or is almost identical to the one he trashed i.e. mrs may's deal bitter over when but thank you so much for that we turn to the north for the bottle and we talked to ruth longstanding outstanding columnist and broadcaster the she think that scotland will emerge as the big political story the sort of. rufe welcome to the alex salmond chilled thank you tell us about the boat

john of charities imagine someone that this is the the 2nd major court victory that she has won over the u.k. government in the most dramatic terms what is behind the imagines of this formidable woman but of course she's in her own re a formidable lawyer even though when she's sitting in the house of commons as a scottish m.p. and. mean ever used to call her rate on are born learned friend as is the custom but she is in fact a very learned friend and and she said it and absolutely cracking job she's a very good performer she's very articulate she's very determined and you take are only your peril i was very interested where she came out of the supreme court on tuesday immediately moved the spot way on to bottles johnson's continuation as prime minister or not as the case may be moving from the legal side to the political but no intervening step whatsoever that was pretty impressive it was and

it was and it's also very pertinent because here in scotland there are a full of boris johnson a number 10 has meant that the case for independence has gathered some momentum and indeed the s.n.p. pulling is gathered some momentum and it was generally thought that he was going to be a very unpopular figure and that of course has proved to be still but the events of choose to have magnified that greatly and i'll be very interested to know if boris johnson is still a factor the next election because i remain unconvinced that he can he can stay on i suppose you could argue that her majesty after 66 years of her distinguished reign as though been led into illegality by her prime minister the that is a unexpected claim of events. it is and it's something of a world 1st but let's remember that all this is happening against a backdrop of previewed one of her previous prime ministers say david cameron having let slip that to him he. her majesty the queen to give some indication for

views on independence in the last scottish independence referendum 5 years ago so she's been dragged into politics but not by one prime minister or a conservative prime minister but in fact by 2 though of course there boris johnson's behavior is much more egregious as i think i may have had a better part and that last last story if i think you did but i think we really did it's not an argument from some people that in a way that's great court victory and by joanna chatty rather contradicts the s.n.p. aren't with doesn't that indicate the scottish institutions in this case the court of session the supreme court of scotland as actually been respected by the supreme court of the united kingdom part scotland should be a bit more comfortable in the united kingdom well i don't i don't take that from a cold i mean let's let's remember the supreme court of course has judges on it sitting on it from scotland and there is an argument i think for there being

a supreme school court in scotland without having any recourse to a supreme court in the u.k. but that's something that would have to wait for eddie if and when scott to becomes an independent nation there was a distinction between the 2 judgements of course that the court of session and of chambers said that and the prime minister's more troops were under suspicion whereas the supreme court in the u.k. and the estimable leader here will say that the only matter what the prime minister's mortals were taught what was that the cat from the a difference of emphasis between the the courts of scotland and south of the border well there was a slate difference in that regard but nevertheless i mean in some ways the supreme court judgment of shoes he was even more robust than anything that was said by the 3 judges at the court of session some came before because she made it quite clear a lady he was. that not only was johnson's action not only with the unlawful but in fact him parliament wasn't proved to toll and please hurry back to work folks and

that was i think a step further than even the scottish court went so i think the other thing to bear in mind is that it was the high court in london which said as you rightly see the high court london said it wasn't a matter for the courts the court of session in scotland and indeed lady in the supreme court of the u.k. big to differ and i think this is what has triggered in anybody's language a serious constitutional crisis so i'm going to protect what have no 4 brats and when life of the united kingdom are moving into tomorrow to us month of the deadline of halloween looming where's blacks are going to be and where scotland going to be well to take these in the order that you post them makes the situation in westminster as i understand it is that the legislation that was passed by parliament when it took control of the agenda in the u.k. the legislation that was passed was specifically passed to outlaw any suggestion that the 31st of deadline could stay in place if no deal had been made in other

words new do you had to be off the team but i expect in the next few days and the next week or so that you harden up and i expect boris johnson to be faced if he's still there to be faced with the prospect of either getting i do you can get through parliament or going back for an extension or throwing in the tell reporters you're one of the most experienced journalists and scotland in your estimation as the going to be a bracks others are going to be scholars on the panel well i have i don't know whether there's going to be a break so i really don't i think probably the smart money no is and boris pulling some kind of deal of the hat and some kind of deal that will be dressed up to look different from today's amuse me as do you but will probably be much the same with some fiddling around the irish backstop i think that's what might happen he might get with it so far isn't. pendants is concerned i happen to think that the stars of our lane to you got briggs it which is very important in scotland it will take 62 percent to remain you get boris johnson who is very unpopular in scotland and

you've got the gap in the pools between the 2 for years a beautiful new consistently narrowing so as you will tell the 1st flush of use but i would expect to be living in an independent country before all 4 of my pitch reform for glasgow thank you very much indeed thank you in the drama of the last month it's been easy to lose sight of an underlying trained the prime minister has lost every battle lost his problem actually majority lost in the supreme court to scotland and neither the u.k. but still leads in every opinion poll hence his previous anxiety for an early election however an election on his timing and on his terms no longer appears within history which therefore in order to cling to office this seems the full choice but to buckle down and try to resurrect reason is once despised to deal with a few cosmetic changes to the irish back strong even then the prime minister's short term survival cannot be assured with

a problem it is thought to provoke now rampant the only other options asking for an extension to the how the mean deadline or resigning as prime minister forthwith are even less palatable and what's more we tested the very limit his remaining poor stakes however we are now moving through the conference season that into the month of the brics it failed to do more former u.k. prime minister howard wolfson once said that a week was a long time and politics in the back seat drama this coming month will be an eternity. next week we turn from the houses of parliament to those who have no house a tall homelessness still stalks the land we talk to some of the people in the capital city of london who are offering practical help but for now from alex and me and all the show it's goodbye and we hope to see you all next.

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a long track record of being a very strong polemical bursary man who understands how to make the government work but very much polarization it was. various times arguing for invading iran for invading north korea etc and this was very much not what the president wanted to go so why he pointed there's a bit of this. in a world of big partisan through things a lot of things and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the path and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time

is now for watching closely watching the hawks. in your. complaint which sparked impeachment proceedings against president trump is released by the whistleblower admits not being a direct witness to most of the events described while rival democrats are sticking to their guns. we were presented with the most graphic evidence. that the present the united states has betrayed his oath of office. betrayed to defend our national security and betrayed us to defend our constitution. reiterate his desire for investigate the alleged corrupt activities of former us vice president joe biden and his son which he now claims that.