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latest but 1st us democrats are finding fresh wind in their sails in the effort to impeach president trump cross-talk comments about the evidence that. glowing welcome to cross talk are all things considered i'm peter lavelle it's always only been a matter of time impeachment has always been on the agenda settling on the issues in process was the sticking points the democrats and the liberal media aim to remove him from office over a telephone call to the ukrainian president what could possibly go wrong.

talking impeachment i'm joined by my guest rob how be new york he is a humorist as well as a newsmax columnist in washington we have a lionel he's a legal analyst and news decoder at lionel media dot com also in washington we cross to christopher he is the republican strategist and founder of the ny one group are gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it lionel let me go to you 1st here do you agree with what i said in my introduction it was only a matter of time they just were looking for an issue and with the election cycle upon us they want to get they want one more bite at the apple to see if they can remove him which if you look at the math and you look at the public opinion polls and this whole ridiculous business with ukraine it seems like it's a pretty bad idea go ahead lionel. hold east by their own petard and the reason for this is that the election is next year and rather than come up with a platform rather than come up with something idea of a vision

a dream something an idea something for the voters to perhaps maybe grasp on no instead they keep feeding this runaway train the law of this there's a giant there's a trump trump derangement syndrome cycle let me also explain that not only will the he remained unscathed this bolsters him it burn you sit him and the idea that you're going to start impeachment and they never say conviction or remove or i don't even think they understand that merely impeaching a president does not remove them so i thought waste of time per usual ok that's a very good point and i wrote on facebook i think it was yesterday is that removal is not the aim it's impeachment is it's all about a process it's about to control the news narrative to continue pressure on trump and there's many reasons to criticize trump as president i could give

a litany of them but the reasons that they're going after i find ludicrous we went through this russia hoax for almost 3 years and now they want to go down the path of another one how do they win by doing this except for keeping the pressure on trump and solidify it which solidifies his base in the process go ahead rob. oh geez well i don't agree with you on so many levels peter and lionel right now because i think that trump is the runaway train ok and he behaves like a 3rd world desk or as if he's the mayor of new york city which is kind of the same thing and he's got to learn that he cannot act in the interests of donald trump the president noted states must act in the interest of the people we the people of the united states of america and he does not so more than anything this is putting him on notice and saying donald trump stop it you can't do this and he knows he's done something wrong because based on the information that's coming out right now from

the whistleblower they've tried to cover it up ok well good that's such a spirited answer my friend this is the crosstalk liberal that's ok let's go over to chris right now chris who is the runaway train what is the runaway train i mean here's another person that he seems to have political bias leaking to the media. trying to find a trap for trump to go into i mean who in the world now is going to call donald trump on the phone maybe that's what the liberals want no one wants they don't want anyone to talk to trump but i mean he has you know here's a guy the most public figure in my lifetime has no privacy in his own administration is always. pushing him into potholes ok i mean again i am convinced that the his base will just get more angry how many times you get a wooden vest the gate this guy i read the transcript from what they have released from we shouldn't have said some things he was imprudent but it didn't seem like he committed any kind of crime and like maybe joe biden go ahead chris. well 1st and

foremost i want to know whether the job that joe biden's son had was competitively bid because there's a lot of drug addicts out there that would have liked to have had a fair shot at applying for that job sound kind of like a good time but you know i think let's do this peter rob what's the name of that whistle blower who is that i don't think we know yet the reason i and the reason i ask that question is what i'm going to have an unknown person highly political bias and it's recounting alleged secondhand statements from others in the national security apparatus for all we know it could be michael bolton who's souring sitting in a bar somewhere that he was removed from his position so i mean just again there's a challenge we have is john john but i say likable ok i you know it was the president thought it was michael bolton soon but we did again everything now is

politically charged and politically motivated so this is just attempt number x. for the democrats to impeach a popular president that's getting things done so once again you know there's no transparency when it comes to these it attacks to try to remove the president ok lionel jump in. peter imagine this imagine that the president deals right now with a looming hypothetically argue why it was so me a looming strike among the automotive business and the g.m. president comes in and he wants to sit down with the president as has been done before and you want to tell him things like for example look we're on shaky ground we might be able to pay our pensions and then he stops he said wait a minute are you recording this am i going to hear is this privileged you know i can't deal with you i can't talk to you i can't do my job now the next president the president after that democrat republican is always going to have to remember this and there's going to be some light that says loose lips you're being listened

to has anybody understand the devastating damage that was done to the institution and the notion of the executive privilege irrespective of the president this is something that is going to staying is going to actually infect this the article 2 aspects of our constitution from now on and nobody's talking about it but it looks like i don't have to ask any questions because i know rob wants to jump in so go ahead rob. yes please please please 1st of all lionel you're if you're working under the wrong assumption that donald trump is a fair and proper president i would tell you what he would say to the president of g.m. he would say that cadillac is a really nice car who would mud fairly really like to have a few of those that's how donald trump rolls that's his m.o. that's why he has to be scrutinized and can't just be allowed to run amok as he has done in his private business career because yes he doesn't understand the difference yeah doesn't understand the difference between running a private real estate concern you're not letting me finish he does not understand

the difference between a private business concern like his little real estate operation and running the united states of america fairly for the people not for donald trump that's here ok . i have a real real quick real quick how bluhm yeah that's my answer i'm not me with that said problem do you have any substance just curious shtick yeah that's a little nonsense ok all right you made your point lana let me go to chris here chris we had rob oh you would you really are a very good friend of crosstalk and my friend too we disagree with him that's why we have him on the program chris i want to go to you rob brought up the runaway train but the media's the runaway train here i mean look what i've been watching the cable news they simplify they grossly. exaggerated things they talk about things that they have no idea about and you know ukraine is one of them a country i know very well and it's politics and when you get it you go into

ukraine politics you go into corruption and everybody is dirty by it biden is finding that out ok the d.n.c. or finding that out too all right so chris the media i always look at the media and see what they're doing and they're playing a very destructive role it's obvious they don't like donald trump but they're doing a disservice to the country go ahead chris. well i agree with lionel to the extent to that again rob's perspective is just sort of like that generic liberal sort of perspective look you could make the same statement that president trump style his offhanded running things like a business is why he's appealing why he tends to get things done and looks at the legislative process is just sort of you know let's let's get towards the big picture and secondly you know we can talk about constitutional provisions and how. these things are such issues the democrats it's all about power they'll destroy the 2nd amendment they'll destroy the 1st we've seen that with big tech i mean this is literally president trump is on the road to victory again and the democrats can't

have it peter they've got to find something so they've got these dishonest insiders that are afraid to show their name that want to jump down the entire legislative process looking into him because he was successful so people that what you can criticize president trump all day long he's still the president he got elected so when we the people went and voted for him and he won and we the people are going to put him there again is specially if this lunacy continues of trying to destroy because to tional moments whining about supreme court nominees the list goes on but the point is these are far left subjective liberal views and it doesn't really answer the question of who is this whistleblower and why are they so desperate to continue to keep to trying to do these sorts of things let me go back to rob let me go to back to rob real quick here because he's the odd man out on the panel here i mean is this whole push for him impeachment is virtue signaling it just feels good but there's no substance to it is that is that is that that's politically dangerous for the democrats right now particularly since russia gave blew up in their face real quick rob. i think that they have no choice frank bernie wrote an article

recently in the new york times about this there is a trump continues to be trump and he continues to flagrantly flout the rules and so there has to be a reaction to it is impeachment going to happen no it might not and certainly not removal from office but there has to be an a a a backlash and a reaction to trump's behavior ok lionel real quick before we go to the break. do you do you hear do you hear what this says it's always about it's kind of like a rorschach test this collective his behavior his his his imprudent ways his afaik his demeanor it comes down to simply this they hate the man i am waiting i've been waiting to hear one think why has he done now how do you realize that if he hadn't made this call 2 days after he won reelection nobody would be talking about this it's the timing of this because just like with greg

a fun bird whoever these people are deep state left they will throw anything out and just to see what happens it's like throwing a smoke grenade to see how the crowd have advances but that isn't quite what dad said that's the boy that cried wolf and that's why i don't think people are going to go this is going to get any traction here whatsoever and i think it's just tomfoolery what they're doing ok gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on impeachment stay with heart. disease. he's like.

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the mother daughter is buried in a cemetery meaning this is with your head what happens to the community the public was screaming for a scapegoat the police needed a scapegoat so why not choose a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to than him and what happens in court be. shocked shocked as far offside we feel. we don't know the struggle. end of this trial unfortunately you. will still not know what children. welcome back to crossfire we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle reminder we're discussing impeachment.

ok let's go back to chris in washington you know christie really irrespective of how you may feel about donald trump as a person his politics his presidency move you know all those things here but one of the things that's bothered me all through this process with the advent of the russia gate hoax all the way to the present is the roading institutions the media no longer is acting in the public interest they're just advocates for their own ideological ideological possession i would even call it it's outrageous and it's really shameful and then we have a deep state or whatever term you want to use that is constantly undermining and when elected president and once this is if this is not dealt with in a reasonable way quickly it's going to become the norm and and i think a lot of liberals are going to really regret what they have done because they destroyed institutions that people had a modicum of respect for and now it's no longer there and it's only getting worse

as we get closer to the election here so a lot of damage is being done to institutions and ideas but i worry cannot be repaired go ahead chris i think you're right peter and i think it's unfortunate but that is the reality when you look at people that are in high level positions and agencies agencies for example like the f.b.i. that it's been very sort of highly esteemed over time throughout different areas of of american criminal justice and beyond and now it's like you know you you leave your political person and then you go and you're working for c.n.n. and you're you're out there and you're a left wing hack and it's like the cycle and that's what they're doing so that is the problem is when things are said and done how much damage and trust has been done and i think the public stage i think that's why president trump let's just assume you don't like him personally he still comes through with results so it's going to be hard to talk about better employment numbers lower unemployment getting fundamental things through getting criminal justice. just getting all these things

done when you're out of everything what do you do and i think that's where the democrats are at now they don't know what to do ok rob how would you respond to that because the thing is is that there's always this focus on trump and i think everyone everyone under the sun would say the man has terrible flaws but that's not a campaign but that's not what you run and you run on something else you can't run on negatives you have to run on positive you never win with the negative go ahead rob. we have we have a good stock market i'm not going to argue that we have good employment numbers that doesn't mean that he can break the law that he can do things that are against the constitution i mean so if he does go and shoot somebody in middle of 5th avenue what will he say it's ok because that wasn't a good person but he and he's had a good employment numbers was how what. lionel jump in how has he brought how has he broken the law how is he committed high crimes misdemeanors

of perjury treason how has he done something so egregious that the that under the article one of the constitution they have to remove him a base of the subvert the franchise something that cannot wait until i year from now for reelection what is he done ok you know asking the foreign government to come in and act in his interest not in the country's impulse come on little rob i have to read that last happened i have to read that you know how many governments that we have influence peddling in washington d.c. ok you know how many and they're never fly ok i mean every other person you bump into washington should be. a foreign agent because they act on the behalf of others and not the american people so going after the individuals and why didn't what is wrong to giuliani doing with all this ok and that's exactly where i want to go thank you rob let me go to chris let me go to chris now chris chris now we have

giuliani talking to the electorate only here and i don't know this is interesting i'm actually if you listen i might agree with you a little bit here chris i mean the whole biden story so why they're looking at this unknown unnamed whistleblower that has bios apparently you have a history of biden and his son in ukraine but it is actually been public knowledge for a long time we definitely didn't get a lot of traction and until the former vice president had to open his big. and brag about how he did something ukraine having a prosecutor fired that apparently and i'm stressing my words here apparently investigating his son on the board of a ukrainian energy company here but that the left doesn't like to talk about that so there seems to be grossly illegality on the part of biden but it's somehow donald trump's fault that's what c.n.n. will basically tell you if you boil it down go ahead chris. well i think the democrats they do like doing that in primaries when they want to destroy each other

and bring all these things out and lose all their values and then try to get back on track with you know being the kings of ethics but i think lionel asked a fair question it's very simple what is the crime and then the responses well he's broken the law is interfering you weren't there i mean that's the thing i mean what are we going to have uniformed principals of of of the law for protected due process you know the presumption of innocence i mean is there are so desperate to get him will destroy the country to do it they've done it with the 2nd amendment they've lied about brett kavanaugh they are the lowest lives out there the whole democrat. slate of candidates they'll trip over each other destroy each other and when they're out of everything now they're looking at a hidden person who is alleging that other people were upset by things and a transcript has been redacted it's been modified and remember this whistleblower also says they weren't sure about the guidance we've seen these reports it is it is a smokescreen and it's not going to work it really isn't ok jump in go ahead the

issue is what my good friend ron is talking about making is wonderful discussion in this pile of questions what we're talking in this pile the issues the gravamen the focus of this is what has any president done that is high crimes and misdemeanors so egregious that he has his election that the that the franchise has to be subverted and supplanted what what what can not be dealt with with the reelection the political process that is the issue because we have confused impeachment with saying i don't like the president you don't remove the president or anybody rip say they were bill clinton because of an indiscretion or maybe even a crime that does not go to the core of the constitution. and pavement and remove all we're not talking about it or ron this say may be true and you may agree that

had different issue apples oranges 7 plays people focus ok romney i mean at the end of the day is just all because of 2016 but you somehow have to damage the president so much that his legacy will be whatever they wanted to be he was impeached but not removed but that's also the case with bill clinton ok i mean it seems to me that they're missing the purpose of this of impeachment here i mean we i'm i can i'm going to you know rob is a good friend i can understand why a lot of people are inferior aided by trump i understand that but by going down this path that they are they're destroying institutions and then i mean how many are we going to keep every single president now is going to have to go through through some kind of impeach because you don't like the guy that is terribly dangerous i don't think every single president will behave like donald trump. well

i mean but that but that's like a half glass every person and we know that what you know but rob but that's your perception here i mean i have said ever since trumpets elect this he does goofy wacky things he says he says things that he shouldn't do but that doesn't measure to the point of illegality where it should be impeachment ok it just doesn't measure it doesn't make it better about way and i think the way the democrats are doing it they're going to taint the process in the future we have to worry about what precedents are being created right now and there's still time before there where you can't go back ok let me go to chris here go ahead chris i mean what's the next step here i mean because it seems to me they're even confused procedurally how to move forward. i mean the next step is the president is going to continue to focus on the agenda of the executive branch which actually does get things done in terms of that's their constitutional duty while the congress continues to expend time and do all congress really cares about as press releases now it's let me get

my statement out there and again it doesn't behave like donald trump i mean that sort of just embodies our whole point here the guy behaved the way he behaved and that's why he won the primary enough voters were like i'm so sick of phony politician one phony politician 2 phony politician 3 we're going to give this guy shot and he's gotten a lot of his agenda items done so no one said he was murder anyone in 5th avenue that was sort of the extremes but he's continuing to focus on key agenda items so i guess what's next as the president keeps going moving on to other items the media cycle will look for something else to look to but it is about the election i don't think the democrats are looking good right now and i wouldn't put it past the war and campaign or others to have really got this ukraine thing sort of moving out there i mean i hate to well you know the who is at it at the end of the day the biggest victim of this is going to be joe biden because when you start peeling away what he was doing in a lot of other people were doing in ukraine it's going to look very very bad so the gleefulness that they have going after trump it just it was

a bust it's hitting in slow motion on biden lionel as usual you want to jump in go ahead. for those people just around the world under the constitution if if the majority of the house of representatives vote to impeach the president on his hair color hear me out can do it you can do it cannot be reviewed it can be done it has been on reviewable by the supreme court because it is a political process number 2 that's the majority in order to remove him after a trial a supermajority of 2 thirds of why not a 100 senators have to vote to remove him it cannot will not be done and nobody has ever been a president removed so what we're talking about now in this initial stage nancy pelosi the speaker of the house said i don't have anything to do with this whole

jerry madam of the house back off but because of this insurgent a.l.c. led via vive guess a contingent of the left has had to do something to calm them down so she has a house impeachment inquiry 6 different committees working together it's like impaneling a grand jury it means nothing she did it to throw a bone to appease this left contingent of her house because she doesn't want to do this a line of lying all lying or if you know what this may be her lasting legacy how she'd destroyed her legacy by going down this path she's certainly not showing any kind of leadership or a gentleman this process is only started and i'm sure i will see all 3 of you again on cross like that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in new york and in washington d.c. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. you next time and remember crosstalk.

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