it's of problems bilateral problems that go back 40 years and multilateral problems that need attention so the mood in washington and the problems of present travel may have some nuances in as far as if u.s. is concerned on u.s. policy but the longer run or this strategy. u.s. policy towards iran in the form of job islamic republic reluctant i think at the very least we can say that both iran and perhaps saudi arabia i.q. me following the u.s. as political developments on both countries that calibrating them moves depending on what they think trumps reaction is going to be all what he is chances of political survival are is it fair to say of this point that the iranians definitely want trump out and the saudis definitely want trump in well i don't know what this

out is by by 2 or the iranians but what is important is that the islamic republic you know the islamic revolution in iran has put the united says at this center of its considerations its world view from the beginning you know if you follow you don't do enough is here to see that every morning you get up the media you know the people who speak even ordinary people they talk america america america and. he said today that is so the 12 year old boy and one of the most towns in iran and centrally iran who was sending american dollars. in fact the leadership of the islamic republic is has made many kind of position for all iranians and they need this in order for the news that he has said several times in order to attract were that tension because if the unit. as i read it probably just

stops being enemy of the united states know when you have to take any notice of it misses and says that if you're not out to meditate on the stunts because like pakistan even if you have nuclear weapons know where the ability to mr and mrs. to hear it don't you think that the americans or the trumpet ministration least has aided these attention seeking on the part of the leadership in teheran because i mean one thing is it's propaganda but economic sanctions and this tightening of the screws that the. trumpet ministration has pursued is something very serious i mean if we just look at that figure is how much oil iran has been able to export over the last couple of years the figures show a very very dramatic plunge from some 2500000 barrels per day a couple of years ago to almost 100000 and to live this is a very very dramatic decline and i'm sure the fact everybody into iran whether

people are in in the government or simply as you said on the street and yes you know the there is a difference in and usually for the past 40 years their patent had been established between the united states and the islamic republic according to this pattern and the islamic republic rules do some i guess if moves you know some mischief from their medicine point of view but then quietly if you treat then the united states would offer some concessions and then to go for the next phase but you know the 2 how to lead to do this dance to yet be dug going beyond certain limits for example the islamic republic has or has had i mean it's not a hostage or to not get over measure out hostages and the americans have negotiated for the release of this hostages but neither side wanted to go beyond certain difference and he said he was sorry in detention in. and the persian gulf if you

know in the gulf of oman that he said that tax on saudi arabia and so on extra care was taken into iran so that nobody's kid is not on the ship thought about the damaged north america and target is attacked and so on. but mr trump has changed this stance because he insists you know that the. islamic republic should in fact surrender to him he's done today there for a secret negotiations he wants to take a picture in tehran down the leaders as he did with north korea to say you know in the next election that i tamed i don't scurry as i bleed the chinese i. counted yes or 4 interlined i brought there by laws of tehran and so on so trump has changed the rules of the game that has been going on for 40 years but with all due respect is it the is it the only trump could change that because as you mentioned there has been some moves in counter moves from both sides over the last couple of decades

but it's been a couple of weeks since the absolutely brazen attack on the saudi oil facilities a few months since the still mysterious strikes against oil tankers in the sea of amman as you mentioned jeez think those advances have the same muster mind and do you think the street call for obscure he has but obscure but very profound very impactful kids that we haven't witnessed before is likely to continue. really don't know because you know the islamic republic was playing the 40 year old game according to this stablish rules but. now they see that it does have absolutely no impact trump is not ready you know to do anything you know in any form of concessions you know the 12 points foot by secretary of state usa could devastate from pill for it is over here. publishing they are in fact cutting them out into

iran but the united states is not giving them any of the wars for that is not telling them you know like for example president obama did or president bush did before about 3 gun did carter the clinton did all of them and then went islamic republic treaty to the little bit it did want to you 1000000 today the decider just sort of friendship even president obama smuggled money to today's driver here probably for president they got a smuggled officer to the islamic republic but you don't know so then the leadership in tehran says that there was a game have changed trump does not want you know to play the or game he's playing another game by the fact nobody knows what this new games rules are i gather it's from your writings that you put the blame for those attacks squarely on task or on something that the leadership into iran denies and something that i have to say the russian intelligence agencies also dispute if you believe the iranians are behind

the attacks on that on call on oil tankers why do you think they would do something like that well 1st of all i didn't say that iran was behind this and it's i've that you know i and if if i believed it i would write it so you don't think that's the case i don't know but what i'm saying is that it's looks like a james that has been playing for deposit fortius you know the. u.s. embassy in tehran was clear you know it was the beginning of all the patton you know the attack on the americans stationed in beirut you know i don't think of hostages dying over the head of the cia in beirut where the does the recent attacks maybe they were done by jinny's or by i don't talk about j.t. i don't know but what is clear is that oil does this and that are exactly following the old pattern. they have not worked well mr to harry you said that there has been

a long established pattern and yet i think many people with claim that. we have never seen before something like the attacks on i'm a facility i know that you suggested that whoever planned those attacks was more interested in testing the waters and see how far it was possible to go without the making a crushing response inevitable but taking out half of the saudi oil production even temporarily strikes me as more than just asking the what is it's actually taking a pretty deep plunge do you think that hackers actually aiming for such massive damage could they have imagined that this crucial facility would be left so nakedly unprotected and with similar things have happened before you know and i teed. it is he said the 7 days i made it public in truck to flow of oil from kuwait by fighting

under thank yes the americans reflect the tankers and exported the world as as a medicine or. maybe it was a bit of that i cannot i'm cool but it comes in the context of. a different context of oil or trade because a united this is no longer dependent on the persian gulf for it it doesn't come to be just a producer of oil itself and the saudis have huge reserves in. which they have closed because they don't want the price of oil to come down and attack on. recent attacks will be compensated tour rigid if you reach so you know it's not going to have a long term effect that does or can't see the price of oil has not jumped as expected and i don't think there's i mean he probably wanted the price of oil to jump or this i would be ordered to be interrupted only. i wanted to do was to do

the exactly the whole game to say you see if you press prevented me and they said open it is a fish can't explore thought or that nobody else would be able to export our or so please pay attention to us but we need to do a bit of mischief to keep our position as a revolutionary movement as a successor to the soviet union as a challenge to capitalism and imperialism and western domination of the world the things they say you know all of this discourse is centered on that please let us have that discourse we are not going to do to go beyond the set and i don't that you also believe that with the trumpet mr ation tightening the screws on iran the status quo is becoming increasingly unsustainable for the reigning letisha but isn't that also true for the saudi leadership don't they also have reasons to kind of shake things up because it's clear that donald trump is not rushing to that defines this is clear that all the billions that baseband on those. air defense

systems are sensually. a waste of time and money so don't you think that the saudis would also have a motive to get some attention from the united states and particularly donald trump yes but you know this i would haven't done anything to gain attention or not and then by repeated this i would destroy the law on their own resources and deposit in the past 40 years if you are talking about saudis all of it is how did on policy views of you know on their allies of the united states but they were not complete followers of the united states so we did. islamic republic in tehran to organize the islamic summit even paid for it iran had very good additions are the president rafsanjani the. highest number of places for the hatch visit image. which is not many to. by his 4th relation they did

a lot of favors of the divisions between the 2 sides they improved but as i try to to do in this conversation the pattern of the game in the past 40 years has changed there was a start to school in reach nobody was happy but nobody was to on i.p.i. that but now that this started school is being destabilized don't know what is great to displace well mr to hear what we know for sure is that we now have to take a very very short break but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. but if she warned you and i do the dishes at the bottom or those jeans nudist beach and

see me we do you. know about that some of them when you guys e.t.s. . in the news i mean that so that infants involve. a lot of people as it fights about truth and it's out to both sides. as if. that god that they would basically. people who support you. and 2040 you know bloody revolution to tell you the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful flew. the protests to be increasingly violent revolution is

always spontaneous or is it you know hiccup what if i mean you know let's put pity would put him in the neighborly is that idea of pulling you over the former ukrainian president recalls the events of 2014. those who took. invested over $5000000000.00 to assist ukraine in these another call that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. welcome back to wealth apartment and we have to haiti and there brainy and the writer and the chairman of the gates to an institute in europe mr to here we have been discussing the americans the iranians the saudis let's talk about the europeans now because just the other day the leaders of the united kingdom france

and germany came out with a what i thought was a very strange statement blaming the attack on iran and that's after weeks of kind of trying to seethe on the fans and trying to keep their neutrality what do you think happened to the e.u. 3 well you know the it is live between a rock on the hearts place they don't know what to do because. they don't want this tension between the united states if you publish to go beyond said to him it's because if something absolutely disastrous happens in the region the europeans would be defers to suffer you know days i mean the public has a record of terrorist activities in european countries especially in france 117 people have been assassinated in the past 40 years but in the past 10 years the islamic republic has be quiet and. it's not been doing any mischief in europe it

doesn't trading with europe so the europeans want to keep that i mean i talked to the european as policy measures it is etc this is to have 3 preoccupations that the 1st preoccupation is that. if this situation in egypt and i did if you probably goes beyond certain limb is out of to be going to have a systemic collapse in iran like you have in syria the 2nd problem is that. just tension is spread through the whole of them and that is because it a shiites in various. other countries apart from iran it would become a big mess the feds. problem or can send the europeans. have you know i just think it goes beyond the set and limits. try to clear this mess is there somebody to run it on off the islamic republic force because their plan is i think the public has many many open and some argued i mean as are

many groups many parties but that isn't you know under her eyes and i know it's tentative so does of the european because of it but if they have so many concerns as you mentioned what's the point though for essential abandoning iran when it needs them most and siding indirectly siding with the americans because this is essentially what they did they not only didn't deliver on diet part of day scipione but they are now putting the blame for everything on their run and doing it in a very very strange way because that the statement that i mentioned it doesn't cite any evidence it makes no mention of a television source as it simply says that there is no other plausible explanation as if it was an exercise in formal logic rather than intelligence collection if if we're talking about an act of war which is what the attack on iran could was doesn't it war and a harsher response than these retorted coag. i think well i don't know because i

don't said the european policy but today i'm just stand there situation and i don't justify it but you know do they really think that if the site completely redesigned here probably really lose all influence re trump on this issue and it is better to keep some influence ritter and this is why i present my cronut france talk to president trump about accepting and an official visit to be at his during the g. 7 summit by us is that if the foreign minister and the americans accept it so you know the maybe it's an illusion i really don't know because president trump is a very complicated to lead and i've never met him you know i haven't talked to him so but the o.p.'s think that he's a state influence about it so you have to give him something every now and then for example about these attacks doesn't cost anything but on the other hand be to date

on the as that look you know we are working for you we are trying to. negotiate a credit facility for us $15000000000.00 this loving the public's needs $60000000000.00 a year in order to pay these essential. expenses you know the saudis over the syrian services military so the europeans savey are working on that president michel and he's really a far as i can think dedicated to helping islamic republic assemble this money and so 5 until at least offer them any kind of position lection receive trump is that if trump is not there so you know they have a short term policy of templating both sides giving a little soap to the americans and they need to stop to the you know only has so that the 2 have influence on both size and that influence is that please don't.

gobion set the limits now you know i had a chance to talk to foreign ministers that have just after his trip to france and there are that interview he was as usual mocking the europeans all for not being able to stand up to the american pressure but that was also clear that he was still holding out their hold that the europeans may come around b.j. c.p.o. a big nuclear deal may still be salvaged or that iran at the very least may be able to exploit this rift between europe and america don't you think that with this european turnaround the europeans may gain some influence with trump whatever it's worth but they may lose that influence with the would they ran eons i don't know because you know the i understand the position of that you found who on the outside done it in a very bad situation not to due to their own faults you know you you don't really do you don't then media to see how did attacked every day but the center of their

policy has been this and you did you did so if you does debt you know that you have really nothing. to feel that told of it and their last hope is european so that it has to walk to utopia so that he retained his openness and you don't you see i'm also mocking the the europeans but the same time quietly to talk to the europeans to try to assemble their money as i suggested. if that is. salvaged or floating just for another year or 2 on to the end of their marriage and preserve the lection that or so that action is and islamic republic itself next march which is very important if there is nothing you know if the present situation continues if the european hopis or so does just that rouhani is that he found their groove and be wiped out soon after they see you the statement.

was published president rouhani indicated that he is now open to a madman's to the nuclear deal provided that the united states lifted sanctions is that the little to lay did do you think there is still a chance for these if a deal to be resurrected yeah you know this. amendments rissa just said even before trump became president for example and you don't how do i get it to do these additional protocols and you know 2 of the $52.00 sites that i'm not nuclear sides or lead 22 have been open to inspection but they don't have probably is to open the other 2 have as well but the problem is read the american side you know will trump and his group be satisfied. or not and even if does satisfied do they one does iran have said and to be advertised you know to be photographed to future to be on t.v. to be on russia today t.v. and every other t.v.

or not that would be very difficult for the islamic republic to accept islamic republic is ready to do become citizens but quietly not to lose face it's interesting you say that because i was watching a delayed as interviewed the generosity of dave to c.n.n. and he still strikes me as being a little bit similar to the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov who has this habit of sort of talking around trump whenever there is a negative development he tends to attribute that to the american bureaucracy some mid-level saboteur within the administration but not the commander in chief itself and i thought that that he was pretty much playing the same game do you think the iranians are still hoping to leverage mr trump albeit indirectly. i hope not yet and i'm not you know blame me everything on. american bureaucracy or anybody you know the u.s. has by lots of problems in iran i don't know whether there is time to talk about these. or not these bilateral problems john to be solved very quickly is there

multilateral problems that are difficult to solve and then you know you need regular diplomacy and at the moment the president trump diplomacy seems very difficult for me that he through our new you know whoever it is and place and in tehran they know how to play just one game you know if you're know how to play chess you don't necessarily know how to play poker so sudden this somebody comes and plays another game and they don't know what to do with it you know their best hope is to temporize and they continue on to the next american election if trump is out there a sigh of relief because the democrats are better disposed towards the islamic republic and if trump is dead he would no longer need to be people i think for to get off syria read them in order to be done election so you know maybe they can go

back to their old game. quietly give you concessions i quietly you had a living pressure on us and finally let me ask you a question about the arena in elections i know that you believe that the divisions between belabor ols and the hardliners in iran are more theatrical than substantive in the us given that to me a month away from being a parliamentary vote in iran would you really want the or all jaime's every faction to be on to mind in my opinion the know it is better to you know to the to lead this revolution it is a republic to go to its logical conclusion but you know the problem is in the does not make it public is that neither side neither of these rival was are allowed to order and they built to carry out their policies so you know the whole country is paralyzed and despite alice is against the interests of iran as a. nation and they just seem to serve you down as

a vehicle for the who may decide that evolution is so. you know if for example before i came to see you here i passed in front of the british house of commons read out but for and against demonstrations and i talked to some participants they are as divided as. in the islamic republic at the moment they hate each other they are not even ready to talk to each other but then of the list they are bound to by a different set of values down by the institutions down by history and in the end you know they can manage the differences through elections and is that he probably has done possibly you know how many of the hostages were not kept in these islamic republic are people who have been campaigning for islamic republic have been campaigning for islamic revolution in europe and the united states

because dad been encouraged by rouhani is that he faction and people. before that you know there are many pro islamic republic you don't need as outside you don't who did not go back to you know well i missed it here i suppose you are probably one of them i'm not one of them yes really you can go back to run no no i don't i don't plan no i don't want to go back to you know what i'm saying is that because i'm not the support that i was driving to the public i've been open and those are your public i'm saying that out so forth as of islamic republic we did not go back because there would be at instance you know this is because the islamic republic leadership is divided if that is one day the ship reach one strategy then you would know that who is well in this to to hear you have to leave it there nonetheless thank you very much for being with us today i really enjoyed i got told i'm sorry it is finished while our viewers can definitely keep this conversation going in our social media pages. as for me and the team we hope to see you again same place same

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