use of banned u.k. made cluster munitions joining me from geneva is iran's ambassador to the united nations as well by her man and thank you so much ambassador for coming on the show we'll get to yemen in a moment 1st of all u.k. media says that your country is isolated there are some reports of japan and france offering lines of credit to iran as donald trump ramps up the sanctions what exactly is the state of iran's isolation i think it's better to leave it to all the public opinion which countries isolated president rouhani to travel to new york a week ago was that he was there he met so many leaders and everyone is concerned about extremist unilateralist approach by the united states administration i think are the truth tellers which country is isolated and that's a very telling our situation do you think the instep system of trying to avoid u.s.

sanctions is going to work i noticed more countries joined in russia this week many conversations in new york about the europeans have been trying to show that are they have done what to read the quote to salvage the d.c.p. way but unfortunately in practice our nothing has moved so far so we are still of a thing to see what would be concrete actions and measures by europeans of course the new york times is are there doing that your president left strumpet hanging when a call was set up between between them through president of france why did he not come out of his room at the new york millennium hotel last week they are talking about the new deal and that's what they are trying to achieve but you see estates do not conclude out of where we more on any ports any agreement is supposed to be based on reliable partners. to have

a purpose if they are looking for a deal b. already have indeed there is an existing the which has been working well and only one country reneged on its obligation and pulled out but as ambassador you must be aware of the way trump does business apparently in the past 48 hours or be in sources close to the white house saying there's going to be new conversations with kim jong un and north korea do you think donald trump wanted to speak to rouhani and claim some kind of diplomatic victory making a deal he's not a fanciful or a statesman do not conclude agreements just for a shake shaking hands or a foot or so or we have been doing this. for more than 12 years right now i think everyone admits that they were not serious in their consent they simply try to find any excuse between a nuclear program to pressurise iran otherwise they were not happy left are these very kind of i would not say perfect but a very working. as

a. nuclear negotiator what do you think britain's response has been to trump's decision how well do you think they've responded to the violation of the security council resolution that mandates the nuclear deal concerning iran that's the central point. unfortunately i should say that east responds to unilaterally breach of the deal by the us administration has been at best in effect to orange. i'm not worst i should say. their approach has been wholly submits the and even i dared to say. and that has emboldened the us administration to go ahead we dare radical unilateralism be to respect to not only be respect to j.c.t. way but also we do expect to many other international agreements well the u.k.

foreign secretary dominic rab says he's confident that iran was responsible for increasing oil supply prices by 5 percent because it drone bombed the around co facilities in saudi arabia pointing fingers has been unfortunately a pattern going to call habit by investor statement but each one changed. the realities on the ground is that 5 years into this conflict which has been fueled by suppliers of or principally u.s. and u.k. the people have been killed then main then a start to this on a daily basis now there has been simply a defense by these poor people after 5 years and there is no bigger than iran having anything to do with this that i can taste or the facilities well it's not only dominic of course the arabia's mom had been told or an interviewer in the

united states that it shows iranian stupidity that it even did carried out this drone attack on iran go and might bump a u.s. secretary of state called the actions of iran an act of war this is an outrageous distortion of facts. and i think they should big. not accusing iran of killing. i guess but have they tried their best to do the same you just speak to that heinous act so where do you think the british foreign office is getting his information i'm obviously the saudi spokesperson conal turkey maliki stopped short of directly blaming iran but showed the iranian missile parts when it came to the attack on saudi arabia which you're saying was actually by a yemeni who the community forces are a fish out of being very clear that iran had nothing to do with. but you see they have to recognize that people under such a very difficult circumstances in yemen after 5 years of bombardment and

relentless attack by the very few are supplied by u.s. and u.k. they simply reacted and these has been their weapons of choice britain of course continues as you say to sell arms to saudi arabia for use in yemen that's just by a year ago this washington post journalist shoji being killed by saudi arabia that's admitted by mom had been do you think there is an information war about iran today that has been a kind of or really young pattern of misinformation disinformation distortion of facts about iran and we have had to deal with that for a long time so this is not new just distorting the naked truth about iran and about what is going on in our in our region has now been proven beyond doubt but of

course the sanctions are in place israel just in the bus few weeks is bombed gaza lebanon syria iraq can iran really defend itself from israel there have been assassinations on the streets of your capital. after all and of course israel allegedly has nuclear weapons on fortunately this regime has been left on unfettered in our atrocities against palestinians for more than 7 decades against the neighbor can neighboring countries even beyond that that's really beyond disgraceful that these entity is using or rather using their reputation and the money the balance of our one of the biggest countries in the born to simply export terrorism assignation and or all kinds of. reason well the i.r.g.c. commanders and salami claims israel can be wiped off the map in the face of that

kind of action but isn't it the case that there must be voices in your country who say why did you personally ambassador why were you involved in negotiating a j c p o a with these powers who had no interest in the world peace why are you talking to neighbors that folding one by one as regards trade with your country why are you dealing with these countries as if they are truthful we are leaving. we the community or in the community of a states and we have to deal with all the countries in the board the only 2 countries or rather one country plus one entity that you have no deal are quite. clear which countries we are not talking to a point from that i think iran has always been for talks and dialogue and through that we have been trying to remove

a misunderstanding because there have been certain countries trying to sow division . among countries in the region we know we truly believe that it is our region we are your pitch your neighbors. and we have to resort to any dispute or any misunderstanding among ourselves there other than giving and any excuse to others to interfere and to simply. form and conflict or fuel the situation just finally and briefly is the real reason why president rouhani kept donald trump waiting there in his room with on the phone is the real reason because rouhani is responding to the iranian people and his popularity back at home in that he just doesn't want to talk to the united states i think president obama me himself through this speak. for he-man and the actions he took have been just a photo op or shaking hands we doubt any purpose i think it would be simply

. something that no one no response to can really agree to ambassador thank you thank you so much after the break as it emerges that a top twitter executive is an information warfare soldier in the british army we talk just information with one of david cameron's ministers in the conservative liberal democrats coalition norman baker and can boris johnson to forge a trade deal with india destroyed by british colonialism indian m.p. and former u.n. secretary general shushu through iran johnson's hero winston churchill one thing mahatma gandhi dead as the world's largest democracy today celebrates the 150th anniversary of the book of the civil rights icon well there's more coming up in part 2 of going underground.

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70 years ago this week china started down the path of communist rule over the past few decades china has emerged or rather really emerged as a leading world power rivaling the us the communist. party can rightly claim a string of stunning successes but challenges remain what's next for china's extraordinary revolution. in 2040 you know bloody revolution to the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be increasingly violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know here. in the new bill is that i knew pulling you to the former ukrainian president recalls the events of $24.00. those who took. this to do over $5000000000.00 to assist ukraine in these and other it will ensure

a secure and prosperous and democratic. welcome back to you now to go through some the week's top stories former liberal democrat m.p. and former minister of state for crime prevention norman bacon over welcome back to the show thank you new book out again i can different one of the 15th of october it's cold and what do you do it's about the royal family will have you on about that thank you serialized in the national newspaper we can talk about it here anyway let's talk about the tory party conference which actually is related to the queen and the monarchy room is the queen has been asking advice about how to remove boris johnson as prime minister how do you think the conference has gone well i think it's a bit bizarre to be perfectly frank with you we've had 10 years of austerity and george osborne his colleagues tell him to have been telling us we can't afford to spend money we have to save money out for the consequence of the system here we are

without a forest of money for us suddenly appeared money everywhere buses police offices roads because of the previous tory administration the administration. this is now the britain to do this. no i think i think it looks. to me like a classic pre-election bribe let's go to this story from the express yes express corbin's plot to actually develop a credit would be devastating says ian duncan smith the quiet man of politics is now turning up the volume no doubt a different universe of credit which most people arguably say has killed people in this country well i took it seriously and that's that allegation and undoubtedly 17000 is not well don't believe or 17000 undoubtedly is not being well handled and there are issues with the structure of it need to be replaced but the concept of it seems to me to be correct the concept being that you should never be worse off in work the new when you're on benefits this former tory leader seems to be saying yes

the under blair and brown it was terrible these anomalies showed up but i mean while people might accept that you can't possibly say that it was a credit of the un special rapporteur as in poverty have said the introduction of this is being a catastrophe for these doctors has not been well handled but the principle is right this is why you voted for it well i was a coach it was part of the coalition agreement ok let's go to the japanese owned financial times yes interesting story twitter executives british army information warfare unit reservist and people don't know so you know that the british army has had a policy of having information put out in a way that influences public opinion did you know about it when i got home i was a minister i'm a member of the 77 brigade the british army out there and we just didn't know a freemason so i mean that i knew about this from my days no position and i found what they were doing that and what did they do it easy using british army techniques but look i think i think every government in the world whether it's the

british or the americans or the russians or the chinese have got people who are pumping out messages and information to social media or through friends in the press that they want to have communicated to the thing you that's why we have dominic cummings that's why we had. alastair campbell yes good friend other tony blair is yes and that's why that's why the answer is 1st of all our diverse press so the doctor much power in a few hands and secondly the freedom of information act improperly so you can follow what's going on down the answers and the safeguards for that situation now there's nothing more with the british army potentially putting out messages there's nothing won't be covertly this is it has to be well i know i know but talking to could find out about them he's been tweeting if it is indeed this guy against jeremy corbett yes massively happens there leading politician well i don't know that but if he has been lost all right and quite clearly there's a potential conflict of interest between his position working for the british army and what might be happening on twitter and it's none wiser to ation which the army

should not be allowed to occur you don't think this means that there needs to be some going to review well i do think you need to be reviewed i do think that these to be examined and i think it's on one issue and somebody could be seen to have a potential conflict of interest thank you well as india celebrates the 150th anniversary of the birth of mahatma gandhi a global icon for civil rights the people of the disputed jammu and kashmir region continue to have their rights denied him it's an ongoing indian military enforced shut down joining me now is former u.n. undersecretary general and indian national congress. thanks for coming on the show before we get into any of that do you think basically the electoral success of. the b j p they signal the end of these dream of a secular india not really 1st of all because of course these victories are always temporary there for 5 years because though most of these party and his ideological forebears in the hindu thought movement have historically been very critical even

contemptuous of mark but. he has moved in a different direction to try and appropriate the gandhian legacy for his own government and he's actually gone out of his way to. you know in a startling repudiation. everything is his movement stands for in the past he's gone out of his way to hail mug on the to celebrate the 155th 150th anniversary big time to make mug on these glasses the symbol of his spirit india campaign and so on i would agree that he really cares about the symbol and not the substance but nonetheless the fact that we have now a prime minister from that political background which was historically hostile to gandhi and some of whose fault was notoriously celebrated the assassination of my gun the by distributing london's indian sweets on the occasion other that the movement is now embracing mahatma gandhi inhaling him as the father of the nation is a slightly encouraging signs say getting that old to me isn't because the muddy quickly

cracked down on fellow. prognathic or who had praised a gun these assassination or these gun these assassin is an indian patriot in about 3 months as one person cracked down upon the crackdown is a bit much because the she continued to be a candidate of his party won the election and is now a member for his party another gentleman another m.p. who actually said that every step bug on the in the country ought to be replaced by statues of his assessment not only remains an m.p. was related to the syrian chairs a parliamentary committee that is often asked to leave his party in debates so i have to say that they really can get away from the historical dislike him up bug on the whom they found to be too namby pamby for their taste with his fondness for nonviolence himself his emphasis on truth and truth force. his

modernism and above all as includes his his entire approach of inclusiveness when it came to india's minorities particularly our very substantial muslim minority and all of those things are are elements of the hindu 12 movement disk. likes and dislikes special plea and to the bone. and that's something we simply can't get away from we have a prime minister who wants to play down that legacy but it is legacy of course today these shares parliament square with winston churchill the hero of our present prime minister for a while boris johnson what do you make of the fact that churchill wanted to gandhi dead in the fact that of course birth johnson called churchill a romantic imperialist not much romance i can tell you to imperialism a view to the receiving end of it as we were in his gun he was churchill amongst his other denied for pronouncements wanted gandhi trampled to death by elephants he also when he presided over the deaths of 4300000 people because of his decisions

churchill's in the grid being told famine of 94344 when conscience stricken british officials wrote to him as prime minister asking him to reverse these decisions all he could bring himself to do was to write in the margins of the file why hasn't done the died yet i don't consider mr churchill here of anything other than oppression racism and slavery and certainly not a man of any more own but you fit to be mentioned in the in the same breath as mouth my gandhi and in that probably b j p m b's would share your opinion so do you think ironically then gandhi as a is a unifying figure even today or do you think that neo fascists are goal welker and so walker ideologies are going to shape the constitution going forward well that was my fear and i expressed that fear some years ago and i'm beginning to think there's some hope now because the r.s.s. the party that russia is why i'm so exciting the the new organisation which go in

welcome preside it has just really shouldn't collected works of which have been completely expenditure that was more outrageous pronouncements and this kind of editing down of their. our own group is quite a startling indication of their willingness to change attitudes to conceal some of the worst and most unsavory things of their past we find that more and more people in mr movies on to rush appreciate the value of mahatma gandhi as if you like a symbol of india abroad the soft power benefits that accrue to those who hail mahatma gandhi and so i think that is a willingness to come around indeed to see him as you suggested as a sort of unifying symbol rather than somebody on whose whose life and record there was a division of opinion between the mainstream political parties and what was once a fringe movement in the hindutva politics espoused by mr moody today mr movie

center stage he is the is the is the ruling ideology of the ruling party which has a majority in the indian house of parliament and is heading for one of the upper house and therefore suddenly a lot of people who have spent their political lives assailing mahatma gandhi have the respectability of high office and high influence in the ruling party and that is the other side of the coin that's what many of us on my side of things politically worry about ok here with more optimistic about the constitution what about kashmir how extreme is the b j p imran khan one of the un general assembly of the threat of a nuclear war between pakistan and india and do you think you'll change his mind to allow trump to mediate over kashmir and don't trump was offered neither of those i think has been has gone over very well in india with all shades of political opinion imran as somebody have known in the past i think he was ill advised to make

the speech he did because i don't think the world is ready to hear this kind of talk about a nuclear armageddon being unleashed because of what's happened. we should be on the indian side of kashmir particularly since it merely mirrors what had already happened in the past on the pakistani side of kashmir where not only is is is the constitutional status of good bond no the the question of direct federal rule in the pakistan occupied part of the mir long since settled by the authorities as lama but the demography of pakistan occupied kashmir according to pakistan's own census is no 97 percent punjabi speaking there isn't much kashmir left didn't pakistani me or so i think it is behoves mr khan my good friend imran to speak as he does and i think that was an unfortunate and not terribly statesman like speech on his part ok i asked for i have to say that i have to say that no fairness.

he does sometimes tend to blunder in where perhaps angels fear to tread and mediation between india and the neighbor which was once a possible india and with whom there is no linguistic beria and not to mention other means of communication is never been has never been a particularly welcome aid in india india feels that. we don't need anybody help us talk to pakistan as long as baucus on puts the gun down well of course we invite the pakistani ambassador on the through again to try and refute that but just finally then obviously there's another anniversary this week the 70th anniversary of communist china a country that brought 850000000 people out of poverty do you think it's gone these fault that india still has a subsaharan rates of poverty 30 percent of all the world's extremely poor children are in india today well i wouldn't blame gun this year because he passed a wizard he was shot in assassinated just

a few months off the independency he had no room in the decisions and policies that followed had he not be assassinated he had announced a decision to go and live in baucus and say he might have had a greater influence on that country than it would have had in the policies of this one who knows. what what for face might have had in store for them but as far as they can money policies are concerned we were going through a rather good phase for 10 years before the present government came to us in which i am proud to say over 100000000 people were pulled out of poverty well short of the chinese figures but well on the right path a number of disastrous decisions have been made in the last 55 years and a bit which have set the indian economy back but i do believe that it would take an even greater degree of incompetence and folly to to prevent endeavor in pulling its poor out of poverty there's a tremendous tremendous commitment across political divides and the old sections of

india society to fight poverty and overcome it and i believe it's just waiting for since similar policies of the kind that the octomom moons in pursuit for 10 years to help india come out of its recent right to heathrow thank you. thank you rob that's it for the show we're back on saturday with a going underground world exclusive we fly to berlin to speak to moammar gadhafi spokesperson was that you bring him now of the green resistance movement 8 years to the month since his neither was murdered in the u.k. back destruction of africa's riches pick up in a country that the shorter subscribe to you joe johns you don't miss it's you that's. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line to get accept the reject. so when you want to be president i'm sure. you somehow want to.

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