famously said shortly after trump was elected you take on the intelligence community they have 6 ways from sunday at getting back at you in light of the failed russia gate hoax and this nonsense with ukraine this characterization appears to be spot on should we all fear the deep state. crosstalk in the deep state i'm joined by my guest daniel mcadams include he's the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity in washington we crossed to richard goodstein he is a democratic strategist and a former campaign adviser to bill and hillary clinton and in new york we cross to john burnett he is managing director and founder of one empire group a business and political consultancy company all right gentlemen crosstalk rules and effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate daniel they got to me go to you include you inspired this program with an interview you did a few days ago and with this is what caught my eye this one sentence here it was

a great interview but this sentence stuck out the u.s. has ceased being a republic and has become a national security state elaborate on what you mean go ahead. well the national security state you know really essentially formed with a 947 national security act which created the cia the n.s.a. and really created a secret underground government that is not really is not really subject to democracy and i saw a lot of this when i was on capitol hill and in fact the term deep state was coined by a good friend of mine on capitol hill michael often but on capitol hill you had permanent committee staff 6 members who are not subject to democratic elections they wrote the legislation they worked together regardless of party they were beholden to special interests i remember sitting there and having a bill dealing with the middle east and one of the permanent staff or says don't worry about it this is a pact proved it happened all the time they were they were they were subject to special interest not to democracy these people you know politicians come and go

representatives or elected or unelected but these people stay forever and there's a real there's a lot of it on capitol hill but certainly as elsewhere in government as well ok well richard let me go to you i mean that and you know if you like the term or not deep state it seems like a lot of people in the intelligence community are at the forefront from front and center of these recent fake scandals russia gate now ukraine gate i mean it's all it's f.b.i. it's cia it's the justice department that they seem to be intruding upon the democratic process here and they can they seem to do with a lot of immunity at least up until this point there's some reports coming out maybe that will change but these people are you know weaponized thing their positions in power and i don't want to get partisan here because this happened during the obama administration these figures here and went into the trump administration i'm worried about institutions as daniel said politicians come and go go ahead richard. you know unlike perhaps some of you on this show i

tend to side with the u.s. intelligence community this is in contrast to our distinguished president over putin i tend to think that when our intelligence community and say the bipartisan senate intelligence committee concludes that the russians did indeed again present doesn't buy this but every other able minded person does did indeed interfere with the us elections i tend to accept that as fact not adult fiction about it implicit in which richard you're not really but you're not really answering my question here ok i mean if you look at the investigations that have been done with these scandals here there are people facing indictments people were fired for lying people were on our investigation for. a number of things that that should have been part of their their mandate i mean they're supposed to.

execute policy and not create it and we there's an ample amount of evidence that these people did this let me go i know you're frustrated here but let's get everybody in 1st john you want to react to that and then we'll make it a free for all go ahead john. i was never thought i would say this but i actually agree with richard in the sense that i think that we were stablished on law and order we're missing the order part with respect to some of our law enforcement agencies some of them lean right some of them lean left however we're in law enforcement you're supposed to protect uphold the principles in the safety and national security of the country and not lean to your own political leanings in thoughts and views and i think that's what we're seeing here with respect to the whistleblower and some other things that transpired in the past and listless actually be honest here i think that people were so used to business as usual and

under this president president trump he's not business as usual he's business. unusual right because he's saying you know what there are things that have been going on for so long and we have to correct that we have to make sure that there's fear ballots with respect to our economy with respect to our political interactions and so forth that's making a lot of people uncomfortable including the law enforcement community ok you know daniel but there's an ample amount of evidence that the intelligence community has gone after donald trump i mean it there's so much evidence out there it really boggles the mind and some of the behaviors of some people in high positions of government that are not elected as you pointed out here and what bothers me is that this is normalized then what sitting president can feel safe with the intelligence community looking over their shoulder i mean this is this is a chilling effect again i'd like to keep this nonpartisan here go ahead daniel well

what boggles my mind is seeing otherwise intelligent people repeating the mantra i trust the national community national intelligence agency is i trust the national intelligence and these are the people that have lied to us for 40 years they are. it isn't a war in iraq they've lied to us content that is their job even pompei was said to lie cheat and steal that is the job of the intelligence agencies let's drill down on the claim that they concluded that the russians interfered in the elections he's talking about the 2017 intelligence committee assessment not an i.e.e.e. assessment a whole new product invented out of whole cloth by john brennan who admittedly had a hand-picked group of analysts determined that russia interfered in the elections the same john brennan who says that president trump is a traitor he's a tool of putin this is absurd there's never been any proven evidence that the russian government interfered in our elections at all so you can believe what you want but facts speak for themselves ok richard go ahead jump in so let's let's talk

about facts let's talk about facts my comp aoe when he was who we now actually i guess trust a secretary of state i don't head of the cia i don't even let his voice he let his voice to the voice of the head of national intelligence and otherwise to say yes indeed the russians did interfere with the 26th elections dick cheney called ok i'd refer you to newark star yeah but richard you can excite stepping my question and you can see the deep state you can't have it ok but you keep sidestepping it here there you know andy mccabe was fired for lack of candor ok because he lied to his own people fired him it wasn't donald trump that did it ok and they want to look after you look at i hope they want you to pry i hope they do i hope i hope they prosecute all of them ok if you show that there is equal justice under the law and not because you have a special card in your pocket if you're in the deep state meaning you can do

whatever you want i want to protect institutions richard not people go ahead richard. there are 2 let's talk about facts deep state is kind of this religion that we can. kind of prey to in some quarters that somehow that basically covers over everything that maybe somebody who we support donald trump in some cases has done badly oh if the states well there are 2 north stars here paul and none of which came from the mainstream media or the deep state paul matter forte's lawyers acknowledged that their client matter for met with russian spy to give them the most innermost secrets polling secrets of the trump campaign in 21 he said that the trustee what i think you did for that right up there was a threat to the white house it was not a crime you know there was a crime why here's why not there's 2 witnesses to that there's 2 witnesses matter for them is a lawyer and the russian spy who presumably is in russia and is not willing to come over here to testify that's why they didn't prosecute him for that and the 2nd fact

is the transfer so-called transcript that the trump white house put out that said we want to buy weapons oh do us a favor though so those are the 2 facts for that that didn't say this i mean it's one way to you read that they say well i don't read it it's a quid pro quo i read it is well i think what i must say impost i think wagered roger and you should know as usual i just think trump was sloppy he usually is he very often is john jump in before we go to the break go ahead here's the situation i think it's clear that russia did meddle in the election however there are a lot of people especially in the law enforcement community here in the u.s. that don't like the way president trump is going about handling it he's trying to work with other governments he's also trying to say you know what there are certain things that the u.s. can work with russia on with respect to the middle east and other areas around the world so it's a delicate dynamic i think some on one side they want him to actually be more

forceful the other side the one who to be more strategic he's the leader of the free world he's trying to find that delicate dynamic i think he found it and i think he's also trying to work through ukraine and other areas to try to get. to the bottom of it to make sure that we can make sure make sure that we can actually protect our electoral process as well as of national security ok and a whole other world richard don't much budget one minute to go. don't you think it's really hypocritical i mean i'm not i'm going to give up on this they keep repeating it and they believe it's their religion that's fine i agree that there's been no concrete evidence of russian meddling but we can just put that to a side it we're not going to get me to make any progress on it i don't get any oh but daniel. you know you have american senators petitioning the ukrainian government for dirt on donald trump but when donald trump asked about. illegal behavior of a member of the american government former member that's called you know colluding and and being traitorous but other people do this all of the time or hear all of

those who may be into it and i don't daniel daniel go right ahead before we go to the burka. i mean anyone who sees a smoking gun in this phone call is smoking something let's put it that way and also let's make a distinction between russia and the russian government more was directed by a judge to stop talking about the internet research agency as a russian government because there's no evidence it's connected to the russian government that's an important distinction ok that was perfect they were brought out of time for this part of the program gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the deep state state with. radical from the. middle of the set of one of my what i would.

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back. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm remind you we're discussing the deep state. ok let's go back to richard in washington i think the they recent russia gait. and this whole nonsense with ukraine does show there's an existence of a deep state we can argue the terminology of it but it's there richard concrete question ok. do you find it bothersome again i'm trying not be partisan here i'm a very partisan person you know that but i'm trying not to be on this program here because i'm interested in institutions and ideas not just the fate of certain politicians but richard do you find it disturbing that high level members of the

intelligence community leave the intelligence community and instantly get a job on cable and they still have these security clearances and one has to wonder when you think of clapper and brennan and people like that they have a security clearance they get information then they can leak it to their employer and then they're asked to rate to report on it i mean i find that extremely uncomfortable because it's very circular and it is for their own. to their own personal advantage ok i mean because they have animist towards the president of the united states and we're going to do you good to use all their access to top level information that none of us have to use against them and for their own personal profit do you have a problem with that richard go ahead. i'm wondering whether you're as equally disturbed of the people have left the proper administration who've had security clearances who've gone to fox news who use it to their benefit and i agree with you

i agree with you i agree with you completely absolutely agree with you and i'm saying. you know and i'm saying that if any one of them disclosed classified information on the air or in some inappropriate way that that clearance would be yanked and now. i do i i don't i don't buy your premise which is they get something they shouldn't have and they put it out on the air i mean that's i mean yeah but i mean what are people want to believe but richard don't you yeah i think you would kind of agree that these former officials tend to go to m s n b c and c.n.n. or you know in by large measure really ok very high level people here but i mean in principle i think if you're using your security clearance to profit from it personally and for your career i think that's disgraceful i think that's dishonest and it isn't something that was it was normal wasn't normal a few years ago now it is the norm now look at john bolton he's going to go around selling all his secrets and leaks and all that disgusting behavior from

a disgusting human being you know john the same thing to you i mean we have this co-mingling of the of the state the deep state and the media and i think i'm very uncomfortable about it because they send out a very mano. political culture message all of the time and i think it's a distortion and i don't think the american people are very well informed by this at all it's self serving for these cable networks and for these former officials go ahead joan perhaps the most surprising thing is all out in the open where all 'd of serving it and i'm not sure why richard cannot agree with the fact that they are profiting from it and also that they're not disclosing the information and the confidential reports and top secret reports right but they know how to craft a message they know how to craft talking points around it to to actually push a certain narrative and they're doing that on the media platform not just regular media prominent media platforms and that's it's pushing propaganda the same thing

that they accuse. other nations for doing and i think that that is the most detrimental thing throughout this whole thing and as you pointed out there are actually profiting from it and it's a disgrace you know daniel is there any remedy for all of this at all because a it seems to me that we had you gave the lineage of the of the of the cia and the intelligence community here but you know there is a marriage now with the with the media and political elites and it seems to me there is there in less we there's a lot where it what you have a top a top secret clearance you can't. personally benefit from it for 5 years or something like that which i may be a remedy right there but it seems to get just worse and worse i mean this recent quote unquote whistleblower but by any definition it's not a whistleblower at all ok but this seems to have been crafted by members of

congress shift and these people like this and it is a functionary in the cia again all of these all of these scandals coming from from within the deep state these are the characters that are creating it or generating it because as far as i'm concerned i know richard's going to disagree with me and that's fine that's why we like having him on the program but russia gate was one big coats ochs the most report showed he didn't even know what was in his own report i mean what it what an embarrassing failure and now this thing with the ukraine gate in this quote unquote whistleblower i mean it's not even under the terms and conditions of the whistleblower he doesn't fit the definition or she ok but they change the rules they change the rules they keep changing the goalpost here and it's so it's transparently obvious richard i was i was sorry daniel. i think it may be bolton of pompei or who knows but you know in a free society the media has an adversarial relationship with government with the regime that is how it has been had been in the us for

a long time that as you point out has broken down this is more like what you see in a banana republic where your media is up there to bolster and support the positions of the regime and if you are opposed to us one policy for example try getting on the mainstream media trust me i know about that you talk about the marriage between the government and the media that is indeed a fact you also have a marriage between the national security state the military industrial complex the arms manufacturers and the government they're all in bed together and peter there is a word for that and it's an f. word it's not the one you're thinking of but it's fascism and that's unfortunately where we're heading where ideas are themselves are constricted in the not allowed to be expressed and if you even if you express them in alternative media or social media guess what you get new and that's what's happening now well that's what happened to you on twitter ok i'll leave it to you to give the details at another time here ok i know the all about it here richard is it is it fair game to

investigate joe biden and his son in ukraine is that fair game in your mind so if there was any basis we now have everybody who is anybody in ukraine and everybody in the international community everybody tom boss or the president's own in the white house adviser saying this was all baseless so there is as much basis for investigating joe biden if there is for going after of and john jr and everybody else in the trump family from the president on down and i would suggest that there's actually more basis because we know if it's getting all these trademarks in china where guess what her father is dealing with the chinese all the time so. i just think this is a bunch of smoke you know. we saw the last poll out of michigan had joe biden beating donald trump by 9. points yeah that's exactly why they want to take joe biden out because they can't abide the notion that there may be somebody going to

run against who was going to basically make mincemeat out ok i'll say so and written thing ok but when you call propaganda other people call facts what when you say that that sheriff had something to do with drafting this donald trump said that peter you have 0 basis for that i think it's a little unseemly to put something out on the airwaves where you know there's a regurgitated now that's been really getting down and reported in media it's been reported in mainstream media just not media you watch richard and he held until after anything you know ok but if he had help where he had if he had would have been wrong but he influenced it richard if yeah richard you richard you're looking at it congressman there is a serial liar a serial liar for 3 years ok so and adam shift is somebody you better stay away from kids he's a very tainted person i mean under normal circumstances he would have been removed from congress for such you know brazen behavior but i don't you know it's not waste

our time on someone of such little significance here you know john let me go to you i mean. just because joe biden is running for president he can't be investigated for malfeasance and his son that he might have been traduced and helped with it is that hands you can't touch that because he's running for president they go ahead john. maybe one name me one senior role in terms of job applicant where there's not a thorough background check this should be part of the background check which is talking about you and so forth doing but they were doing business around the world before president ran for office right so this is part of the normal that their father was a president doing business with different countries when it went whoa whoa whoa whoa. when it when it comes to know they've always done business but with that when it comes to bided his son has 00 experience in the energy

industry gets a $50000.00 per month contract then he gets one and a half 1000000000 from from china this this is fraud this is this is abuse of power this is what we're talking about from the top of the show you leveraging your connections to profit from you know what's going on in terms of commercial activity political activity and so forth this is absolutely connected and we've only touched the tip of the iceberg you know what mayor giuliani said the prosecutor that was fired under the pressure by vice president biden he said you know what that prosecutor is driving around in like a pen to write he's the he's the most broke. if you will if he was corrupt he's the most down here when it apparently lives while the current prosecutor as well is riding around and apparently this is nonsense it is best to hang on here hang on you know i think serious about metally it should be investigated ok i mean daniel

and i studied a lot of ukraine and i warned people american politicians should stay away from ukraine because there's a lot of stuff they can stick to you ok and a lot of people are finding that out right now it's an incredibly corrupt place ok i'll let daniel finish out the program 40 seconds go ahead daniel. well all of these regime change operations are by nature corrupt you go back to cost of 0 when you had albright and wesley clark getting involved in business right after the smoke and barely cleared you saw the french passionately attached to the oil in libya driving the libya operation the ukraine coup d'etat that the us supported was also a corrupt endeavor and you ask who benefits what we see who benefits biden's son kerry son in law or whatever he was all of the elites benefit from this the us goes and throws bombs and destroys entire societies and then goes in and rapes millions

of dollars this is a scam it's a scheme it's an attack on the american people and american values this is the deep state the elites benefiting the parasitic class benefiting off the labor of the rest of us and enriching themselves all right it's anti-american ok on that note gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks and i guess include washington and in new york and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our d.c. you next time and remember across the rules. than in the end by north and the people because they comprehend is so good that even such a backup be sending. i'm not here to tell people to get killed or find the next guy.

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