her cell phone she complained about it yesterday to president obama himself who told her the u.s. is not monitoring and will not monitor her phone did obama lied did he break the law when his agents brought down an airliner in pursuit of edward snowden who turned to wiki leaks for help before being granted asylum in moscow well wiki leaks founder julian assange just still alive as he faces extradition to the usa in a hearing in london on friday for revealing war crimes will speak to julian assange his father john chipped in and bought 2 but joining me now via skype from brussels is the president who gave asylum to julian the search for the president thanks for coming on the show let's just begin before julian is surge to what is happening in ecuador there in marino your successor accuses you of an attempted coup in ecuador we're getting reports of 3 oil field seized 12 percent of a good boy an oil output hit and he himself has fled the capital. thank you very much for this opportunity and for letting me tell through the world

what is happening in ecuador everything that is happening now is the government's fault he betrayed the program approved in the elections and adopted an extremely near liberal losing program they had a terrible agreement with the i.m.f. to the crisis by cutting the domestic financial sources juicing taxes for the wealthy and increasing use this expenditure and there you have the consequences when you had to set a very strong package of measures poverty had already increased 3 points after 10 years poverty started growing with this government is growing 3 points and the very drastic package of measures was the tipping point where amongst other things he doubled the price of diesel one of the main fuels and this tried people's patience that's the reason for the protests well i'll get through christine legarde i.m.f. or stare at the measures in a moment she's of course leaving the i.m.f. to run the defacto e.u. bank the c b but what do you think about lenin merinos chances of staying in power he's fled to kill and there are reports of him saying killings to come all the. the minister

of defense has said there are not tanks on the streets of your capital the camouflaged. condition let's start with the final part of the question believe me perhaps it is hard for me to be objective because i have also been persecuted by this government but i don't remember since i have political understanding having seen a repression of this magnitude in the seventy's we had military dictatorships i was a teenager but not even at that time i remember the people being so brutally restrained so he takes this decision by suppressing constitutional rights by bugging communications looting houses without a legal order and all of this they are also using their force even with lethal weapons against the protesters so this is something that has not been seen before i don't remember anything like this since i have political understanding in terms of government the government has already fallen moraine already fall and they have to look for a democratic and constitutional way of keeping peace keeping the country running otherwise they can lead us to a civil war more than a civil war

a brutal repression by the enforcing authours luckily our constitution offers those measures those democratic and institutional measures the article 130 allows the assembly in case of a social turmoil to 2 thirds of its members to authorize the election to be brought forward and the president himself in article 148 of the constitution has the faculty to bring the elections forward why isn't he doing this he knows that if he brings the elections forward he will be losing and we will win so he prefers the country to fall they prefer the violence they prefer this very serious situation instead of getting out by the measures that i insist a part of the constitution in a perfectly institutional and perfectly democratic manner do you think he wants to be the next pinochet no lenin moray he was a puppet of the oligarchy but he has been an instrument and he will stay. as long

as he serves the groups of power why former president do you not in ecuador now with the 10s of thousands of indigenous people demonstrating in quito and will you run again to become leader of ecuador i am not interested in that my plans for life or others i had to get back into politics because they destroyed my nation and mainly because of the past and great persecution we have been through and that could all crimes of hatred have taken place every day they say we have to chase the car easters we have to clean our government from the car which is not only allowed by the media but also fostered by certain press creatures that do hate us because they experience restrictions their privilege and their abuse when we were there from 2007 to 2017 was the decade of most progress of the nation in history we doubled the economic product we were the regional champions in reducing poverty in reducing inequality and this is not understood here in europe that is something that the elites do not like it bothers them because it is only in the vertical

direction of social relationships in the inequalities that they have that power and well being because they believe they are superior to others if you offer our elites to be 3 times more prosperous but equal to the rest of the people they will reject that well speaking of media your in europe why do you think the media arguably seem more interested in pictures of demonstrations in all call and previously demonstrations against the door oh in venezuela then would cause on the streets of quito in your country the answer is obvious it's because they play a clear political role it would be enough to see except for a few exceptions who owns the head demonic media the national ones within the latin american countries which is a very serious problem but on international level they do not belong to the pool that they do not belong to charities except for a few exceptions they belong to the big capital and they play a political roles. to defend the status quo the media at

a national level in our countries and other global levels plays a political wrong but at least at a global level to keep certain limits more professionalism as you said there is a totally symmetry in the information double morality if there are demonstrations in hong kong then not even sorry if they're against the chinese regime they'll be shown every day right i want to ask you about julian assange in a moment but i've got to ask you because today is the anniversary of the washington linked killing of che guevara imagineer liberalism why do you think his face is on the flags probably of flags in your capital city certainly from on flags of the liaison in paris and across france what does he mean to you on the anniversary of his death. well again. they talk about democracy and respect of human rights when it is convenient to them so the killing of che guevara is a good example of that he was captured while he was alive and he was executed extra

judicially while he was in prison it was a crime he was sanctioned for that crime and ordered by the actual cia they have the names and nothing happens it is like the case of julian assange they chase the ones who discovered the war crimes but not the ones who committed them here and these crimes are still unpunished as in the case of che guevara what is the meaning of sake of our we could agree or disagree about the ideology of che guevara but no one could deny his authenticity and his attitude to go through extreme sacrifices even to leave his family and give his own life for his ideology and that is something that should be respected by everyone but well you gave asylum to julian a son just your embassy in london he's facing a court hearing on friday for extradition to the united states for espionage what did you make of the el pais revelations that your embassy was actually being bugged urgently by cia link security services including the bugging of his lawyer geoffrey

robertson queen's counsel. remember they said exactly the opposite from the embassy chilliness and used to spy there is evidence that they have been spying on me and my families and spying on julian songe even the sacred conversations but client with his lawyer so is extremely serious and take it as granted that julian assange and will be extradited to the united states always from the beginning that was the agreement you said you may have been the subject of surveillance to do you think that came from washington and do you think that whistleblowers of war crimes by nato countries bars johnson told trump who previously said he liked wiki leaks he loved wiki leaks they want dead as a lesson to other whistle blows so you see the international double morality and the asylum granted to julian assange is not because we agree with whatever julian assange just done i believe the nations in terms of national security certain information should be confidential for war crimes cannot be hidden but the asylum

was granted to him because there were no guarantees of the fact process and because he was to be charged with laws that allow for the death penalty that threaten the interim american system of human rights only human rights treaties at a global level are against the death penalty of former president greg thank you you're well after the break julian assange just father said the world's greatest journalist publisher is close to death as he battles for his life while facing 175 years in the u.s. from experts and is about the u.k. minority leader boris johnson is hit by a wave of scandals alleging everything from corruption jim more attempts to break the law and we really believe the polls ahead of an imminent general election all this of all coming up about to have going on the ground.

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week he thinks founder julian assange faces a friday london court hearing certified by boris johnson's minority government the court declined to tell going on the ground who will preside over the case is by delegations of m i 5 links to his prosecution joining us on his father john chipped in joins me now thanks so much sean for coming in person to the going on to go and see if you use you've seen julian in the past 24 hours how is he is he face is one of 375. i view is in an american prison sort of drove in this morning for. a as you would expect it's a big down in the dumps. and just by the. ceaseless and and intensifying persecution of him that's going on now for 9 years so. i presume that he's seen still in the hospital we. have and there is. activity in action to

improve his circumstances he still spends 22 hours a day in solitary. and only recently has been given court papers to prepare skies does he know what's going on because of course he said in the bail hearing when the asked by a judge here do you want to take the opportunity to apply for bail he said the lawyers are handling it i don't know i don't understand what's going on that there's a technical hearing where in the judge. magistrate briefs are in the extradition court took it upon herself to hear a case that wasn't before and having heard because she concluded that really in order not to receive by. my view it says again but in fairness julian's lawyers didn't apply for bad or they didn't apply to talk. judge the judge right

applied herself by all and then refused you know very aware that we could leaks revelations changed the lives of millions around the world they've discovered the truth about their governments what sort of support is your son getting today as well as your appearances trying to make the public at large understanding the plight of your son rohan still come i was there last week the support there is strong particular. only among. a section of that society. and we did a macho down the main street 300 office and then i went to germany the support there is very strong in berlin we did a vigil at the brandenburg gate there was a vigil in cologne in one and though from another one in frankfurt on the same day and that will be the same on wednesday does your son think that maybe president donald trump could intervene famously who said he loved wiki leaks who is he

holding out hope for in this maze of legal problems and hearings i magine you know i don't know a concept big for julian but i imagine that. the united kingdom's government asserting its independence in the setting that the independence of the judiciary which up until recently had a very great reputation you don't think the prime minister just wants your. son to die and receive the the institution's concern the manage this process. the crown prosecuting service at the behest of. the foreign colonial office which acts at the behest of the united states department of justice and say i that i would be delighted if julian collapsed

under the pressures that they've put upon him but the judiciary is independent and maintaining their independence is one of their prime concern is also if the reputation of the united kingdom is to mine a mine time it would be best to. by international covenants and loads that they've signed on to and you tell and talk to julian about that in prison. presumably he doesn't have as much faith as as you do in the british government has attacked un reporters and obviously his asylum was breached we'll use that that's what they have done and it's both them nothing but obviously an accusation and so. we presume and we hope that i can realise it's to their benefit to establish the independence of action and that's

the benefits of the u.k. to support international covenants and law which cover the people of the united kingdom presumably he doesn't get newspapers or access to the internet but he said he got some legal documents is he aware of the story in the spanish papers about the fact that he was being bugged by cia linked curity contract as what did he say about i haven't discussed that with a minute that's. several ongoing court cases involved there but i mean it's you know they were with they had 3 fades one for them so which they tried to sell $3000000.00 another one for the space at the dorian government and another one which was called a swiss we can. which according to david morales who ran

the country the company. according to him it went to the cia there's a further difficulty they have because. i is part of 5 or as of the leading. intelligence institution in 5 as a striders a member so we have 2 problems they one if that was being fed into our stride in this information then it's a scandal as they knew was happening to julian. if they didn't it's a scandal because this is supposed to share. information in both cases it's came from the australian government they're not helping this is. the government and malcolm turnbull. sent instructed foreign minister bishop to rise the matter with jeremy which she did. and. said you know

he's facing serious charges well at the time there were no charges whatsoever he just lawyer. the week before and take that yes then the week later from mr bishop. approached pump in sacramento california at a meeting with from pio said we're not interested in talking about that and i know you know worlds forums if you are not saying to act independently your voice is not heard i just simply said well you know that a strike that will just say what it's told to do by the united states similarly the united kingdom if it's perceived that the united kingdom doesn't stand up for the laws the. conventions that it's signed to then its voice becomes weak in will form. the emerging emerging multipole lera he requires you to have

a. voice in will for him to get that you act independently and forcefully transshipped and thank you thank you. well u.k. labor leader jeremy corwin appears to have said little or nothing in defense of julian as sunday as he faces us extradition this is corbin the flounders in opinion polls ahead of any imminent general election so how teflon is no bricks it deal boris johnson it was just corruption scandals and unlawful attempts to shut down democracy joining me now is labor prime minister gordon brown's pollster and founding partner of britain thanks deborah madden's and deborah thanks for coming on the show the last time around it has to be said the 2017 goal winning greece labor's share of the vote by more than anyone since clever that mean that i did it 5 government can you do it again you didn't win that crucially and i think it's very important when we say that to remember that he didn't win it was very unusual . stances it was particularly unusual that the 2 main parties polled as well as

they did because they both collectively they polled more than 80 percent they hadn't done that since the 1970 s. so that was a bit of an outlier it was very unusual it is not what we're going to see in the next election i mean that's what we actually can make what should we believe the polls i mean this week in the past 10 days or so we had supreme court decisions in johnson acted unlawfully we've had him throw out 21 m.p. now the corruption scandal over funding yet and yet he's doing better if he is rating went up 2 percent after the corruption investigations yeah you know i mean you have the right to have a because of that 2 percent is obviously within a margin of error so you need to make sure you're looking at and also you need different posters are giving different scores to the main party leaders but one thing is for sure that however you look at it right now boris johnson has a fairly comfortable lead over jeremy corbyn and that certainly isn't changing and

it may well be that it's increased a little bit and sort of shored up his view shored up those views of him over the last few weeks what they think of him is that he is determined and energetic and there is a characteristics that they very much like in a leader it contrasts between may and certainly contrast the journey corben so with a mismatch between if you go to. any of the betting shops in london or around the country corbin is odds on favorite to be the next prime minister by a huge deal and has been for weeks and then as you say ok that one was there a margin you govern opinion so the tories went up in polls by double digits after the court said he acted on law and people complain about posters but actually i'm not sure the betting markets have been any more accurate in recent years so i wouldn't necessarily place much store by that either to be honest all the polls are accurate i don't know it's all that we. i have and so let's look at them and see

what they're saying what i tend to do and what we do britain thinks in our international work for world things is to marry together the quantitative the numbers with more intimate sort of focus groups and qualitative information that helps us to interpret those polls that's what we've done recently on our work looking at the particularly the 2 main leaders and it's been very telling and it starts to i think explain to you why it is that boris johnson is is liked so much more by voters than jeremy corbyn basically as a say his in his energetic if we ask him you know if he was an animal what kind of animal would he be he's something quite strong and tough his a lawyer and his a ball we played a game where we said it's like put in a china shop yeah we played a game where we said you know if this person was you know as a leader if they were the conductor of the orchestra what kind of music they play if they were the manager of a football team what would what sort of football with they play and he comes very

well out of that so if you say what kind of football team would be manager of then the answer is one that is determined to win whereas if you ask the same question of jeremy corbyn it's a football team that is actually very mutinous and sort of rebelling against the manager if we say this was one of the really telling things if boris johnson was a conductor conducting an orchestra what kind of music was he played people say that is exactly what it's like he is like a conductor his arms are flailing around you have no idea what's going on but somehow it works and you get great music and i think what that tells us is that people believe that boris johnson has a plan. a plan that they can't necessarily understand just like they don't understand how it is the conductor gets great music now there will come a moment perhaps where they start to doubt that right now that's what they're placing their faith in i mean i have to ask you about what it's like actually

running this organization print things and finding it because i don't go through all your client list but huge institutions n.g.o.s and multinational companies are relying on this kind of information to predict it this in the context of the fact that i mean even organizations that use this kind of focus group willing in the birth arguably they got it wrong the tories would. get a majority with cameroon would win a majority and a cameron that would get bricks it's. a whole industry of this kind of research in deep trouble but i don't think so i mean i think that that kind of political polling is obviously not how most companies like mine pay their rent it's something of the sort of shop window for us and obviously it's problematic when posters get it wrong and i have said britain thinks doesn't do that kind of political polling although we analyze and we do do the qualitative work but what we

are doing is working with constant another case a very difficult and uncertain time and we use a number of different tools to do that which includes kind of you know really digging underneath the what did the depths of what people feel as well as looking at numbers looking at you know a date and so on so we bring those things together to sort of offer a strategic advice deborah thank you. for the job back on saturday the day after the irish backstop agreement deadline of a break shouldn't 35 years to the date of the provisional raise bright little to me it was after an account of the tories were killed or injured and they keep the questions will be to get subscribed to each other.

in this community there are people who believe that it's ok it's all for action it's really hard there are no jobs and you see that i've got kids. and as a parent. i can come up with arguments there's a lot of conflict in the game between the cost of the conflict i would say around money and most of that money is made. close one on each other. each other is good business the state of california alone makes 6000000000 dollars a year of prison complex and you get some point in your life where. you don't care and. so you don't care about anything. from what it needs. to be good so.

that. you. close. in the age of trump what has happened to journalistic standards and competence in the media not long ago it was generally agreed that politics was the art of the possible no one news narrative must prevail and all others must be vanquished

there's a state of affairs serves the public interest. and . turkey begins a military offensive in syria and says that it targets the kurdish workers party and islamic state terrorists. in ecuador violent protests lead to the government relocating from the capital. where 2 people were killed in shootings in the german towns of landsberg one of them outside a synagogue the suspect has been the rest.