along with bobby helmets and the type of london as one of the capital cities create icons fitting therefore that this same image should be applied to tackling london's hidden shame the fact that in this prosperous global city rough sleeping on desks of the homeless are more sleeve rising it is not in doubt that is public support for action on the scandal otherwise there wouldn't be the public financial support for the well known charities such as shelter crisis and the big issue however today we focus on specific practical action in the battle against homelessness and one of the that just cities in the world alex speaks to dan atkins i'm jason armstrong of buses for homeless. so that americans tell us who gave you the idea of buses for homeless you know sort of being building buses and coaches for the last 5 or 6 years now and one day i walked into the yard and there was a 68 year old gentleman who was a close friend of mine who was actually sleeping rough under way you put your

luggage in a coach well that broke my heart so literally that day we went out we brought him a bus took it back to the yard and kitted out where heaven is 3 kids his dogs lived in for 2 years now he had 3 dogs so he couldn't get into social housing and honestly seeing somebody like that who had given me a lot of help and support you know the logical thing was to help ford and make a difference you recently made big steps forward for buses you've got your site what do you to the buses do because the they're all designed for a different job and yes so we we're looking a really holistic approach alex so we've got a bus that eating sleeping learning and well being you know so we're slightly different to most night shelters or day centers we're saying to these guys come down here's your bunk here's your storage we've got you for an extended period of time and nip off and have a shower and get cleaned up and then right let's get you back on your feet clock

time to you jason armstrong you've been militia you've been homeless family break up to just sell for and you know helping with this project what is your assessment as somebody who's experienced hopelessness of the buses for homeless project 6 weeks ago. i was getting back into work i was homeless for 4 months ago i went to an organization an organization were trying to find some employment and the lady told her my story and she said to me a gentleman is a project called buses funders. so i left the office and got in contact with don soon as the invite me down for an interview and then it is gone from then. 6 weeks to god my work. done is now of man drop. according both the

instructor way and you know it's made me isn't just give me more really a moment however you know the emptiness and loneliness that obviously to many of us has resigned us. was very painful. and. you know i cannot i had a couple of people in intensive care and. give me a hand and community support i needed i was you know very shining forward and it was a lot of confusion going on in my in my head. and the course you're still having pool just self by go to get an order to the way to the probably that must be a bit of. coloration to the people who using the services of buses for homeless men . i mean you know. just over 4 months ago i was homeless i now live in a dry house now which is we have 12 other guys as

a stepping stone for me as a roof over my head. you know of our truck now. you know in the morning and them up for structure back into my life and down to fighting the help of people like jason and some of the guys and people who've got involved. is that going to make your project get to the absolutely need a whole ethos behind the buses the homeless program is really to facilitate more people like jason you know he has hit rock bottom know all he wants to do is help the homeless people at ford throughout the period of time that we've been in the development of the build stage we've had 5 or 6 different other people who had been rough sleeping at times all. been homeless and it's just amazing these guys have the skills they have the tools they have the knowledge they just need our support and as jason rightfully alluded to it's that hope that we're trying to create you know that is another way and people who've walked the talk we want these guys

coming back and mentor ing and leading the next group of people through the program and it's just an absolute pleasure to have jason and all the others who've been with us and we're really excited about moving forward now that we've got all statics some lined up and we're ready to start you up it's all in all ages so we'll buy you know we will be so so the initial part of the program is 808485 percent of rough sleep is male so with especially the safeguarding issues of having man and woman on the same bus as a pilot phase we'll be looking at men predominantly from there we will be once we cannot see them when we get more experienced and growing will be open to everybody that has been on the rough sleeping or is back and supportive housing as well we're not going to discriminate we just want to help and make a big difference in people's lives both a practical question and

a coachbuilder yourself trade. what buses are you use or just about of interest was so so there's a huge scottish kind of connection there as well i did. the founder of stagecoach and they have been incredibly generous and in support of our program they've donated us full buses at the start of the of the air and they bring in of just confirms a little bit losses which were booked folk. in day by a good friend of yours so the. buses i could have built to last day they are and you know they are big structures and it's amazing. once you take out the seats it's amazing what you can do to inside a double decker and huge thanks to everybody at stagecoach but most importantly they got in touch with us last month and said then once people come through your program can we then put them in drive apprenticeships in order to potentially get

them out there in employment now that for us is just amazing and again they have been so incredibly supportive as were the community as well that have a soviet other back i mean of people been helping with the illegal lifestyle bus for example. here to get people to stop for going to job interviews and things absolutely so the whole premise of the program is really to work out how and why these people become homeless in the 1st place now most people wrongly assume that drugs and alcohol were the leading factors however we believe they're a coping mechanism a for life on the street but most importantly life and here and have been so it's almost pulling back the layers of the onion you know through meditation mindfulness energy healing as well as more clinical psychologists as well we're trying to get deep into their psyche to work out how and why and find the root cause and once we help them through that then we package them back with as much love support coping

mechanisms as possible and then we move them over to learning bus or teaching self and vocational skills in order to reengage them back into employments or like jason to help them set up his own business again and really help him get on his feet and run them well you've had some celebrity but i mean a. very. high what's the impact of illegal celebrity on such a program such as yours a great assistance so basically just are they just another shoulder to the wheel looking i've got full body goosebumps you know debbie had a lovely daughters and everyone has been so supportive of what with dylan you know and to say the last year we all tame. up and drove around london with a bus full of santa sacks and $500.00 pieces of clothing and it was incredible this time around where we're looking to team up on the 3rd of december we're doing a christmas lunch for 100 homeless people and touch wood work with the girls in

order to do the same thing for the people who turn up the. people watching the show in the world and. no one in any country certainly not in rich countries such as the as the u.k. likes to see other people who just destitution so what would be your message to all members of the public you know in the past by a homeless person actively get involved in and confronting this issue where i always had just the individual just gives 5 minutes of their time soon you know like conversation with the person and just give them a bit of love and support you know show you compassion. and you know that this might stop that individual feel a lot more more calm for becomes within that you said there were 5 minute chat about a minute for the whole day if somebody just acknowledges the 1st 100 percent you

know because you know when when are we in that experience when i was homeless. you know to have someone give me that their time give me motion proving myself and made me then guard and you know get help were needed to. of organizations that will waiver even if i'm you know for the doctors or whatever just give me encouragement to command your stuff and then a message to the authorities to the politicians to the parliament obsessed by that the government successive governments mollies to tackle was partly intractable problem is a simple practical mess. you could give to potest one look there's no 1000 people sleeping rough on the street in london tonight and that's 9000 too many please reach out to was would love to talk we're here to help as much as possible. and please do get in touch would love to help. place a coffee

a load to be what i come to this offer you the alex salmond quick quick. you pass one. i'm going to get you one is well that's incredibly. quick it's a loving cup liquid the feel of the talk in the blue softly softly into the quick and. thank you so i will have a toast they will be a lot of time. in orange juice coming in head later on this evening alex thank you very much for inviting us and having guns and i thank you i don't. feel you must say i doubt that. jason thanks so much for coming in today thank you thank you so much thanks so much for speaking looks like you after the break alex speak to some of the philippa to support us who are on the buses can their efforts make a difference join us. you

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they can get away with this because the people have less political power. to. welcome back with politics consumed by breaks that alex looks at some of the issues which should be dominating the political agenda we join him talking to some of the soap stars and figure who have their support to the buses for homeless initiative. let's talk to some of the crew of buses for homeless on the way to be joined by debbie arnold by johnson tara johnson though you know in short this show be sure to be revolved. busters for homework so how did you involve your 2 daughters was seeing as i've always done stuff for the homeless you know for years

and years and years but i've always had a passion i've always thought you know what somebody should do is take some london buses and convert them into buses for the homeless and then i found out about that kids and i met down the 1st time i met i went for a meeting with him because i thought this is the best idea i took my baby with kim so how did you do for a good to evolve to your mom's alter i think actually they were meeting for lunch so i think i just kind of gate crashed the lunch and then i kind of took it upon myself to then get involved in everything that was such a lovely idea and then got holly are involved as well because we kind of all during separate things and then we just kind of and then sometimes idea about christmas tell us so we were pretty big on christmas and our household with her and there was a scare a bit crazy and by a lot presence it's lovely and we've always sort of thought of folks that a lot of work for the homeless when she was growing up the nice thing to do is go and give christmas presents back to the homeless and i spoke to my sister and she'd met i kind of came together and thought why don't we do a big charity run and see 100 christmas socks to get out of the homeless and then

it was snowballed from there and it just went that much and then we got lots of different stuff from different places to put in we also got a lot of donations in and so tully went off to buy stuff and we all bought different things from different places for mainly donations 3 a social media everything so let's deal with it the christmas us both soon the footage of the new clearly people heard the streets are delighted to get up a christmas parcel but to go to the given receivers a. big i don't mean to help us feel good when you're doing a bill for enjoyment to people who are searching for so yeah it was it was something really special i think what we tried to do is we didn't focus on. sara lee on all the shelters we kind of we grabbed a sack each and we kind of stopped the bus wherever we code and we tried to find people that would be you know in the most wonderful position and i think they were the people we got most of the response from they were just it was so overwhelming they were so thankful and i think the main thinks it was so cold this particular christmas and we were giving them goodie bags and blankets and stuff and i think

that was their biggest thing you know like the warmth that we kind of provided for them. and it was the most amazing amazing feeling they were so so so grateful to tell you this despite all the conversations you had with people stuck in your boat those i mean everybody like i said everyone was everyone stories completely unique and you know some people are there for reasons that you could imagine and some of the economists i spoke to one woman in particular i sat with her for maybe an hour and i know it sounds stupid but my god was it cold i sat there for an hour and she says that every single night i spoke for an oscar about her life and how she ended up going on the streets and this particular lady had sat on the streets in this particular spot she'd been there for 30 years it's. just amazing you don't think you think people are on the street virtual prison time and they sort themselves out and that's it there are these people who are there that you know we hear every year and this is their life and it just makes you really reflect on your own life and you go back into your house and think you're so lucky you really really take things

for granted and don't realize the source of your lame recently was a blog got a lot of hits and somebody was experiencing being homeless for 5 days before interest of me or both of you survived the experience pretty well who lived with us was a highly intelligent person who was doing a blog he could will blossom quite easily into the station shows and things and get a free show buses but for for most people. no i think you also again it's a pride thing a lot of people won't want to go and ask if they can go and use someone's toy or the puppets will the station toilets because it then really shows that they are. very vulnerable and as much as these people are extremely vulnerable that's the last thing they ever want to show i think it comes back again with us giving our apostles and some people were a bit funny with taking them even at christmas because it comes to the level of my sister being a bit patronising and people don't want that especially with people who are rough sleepers who have come from the military there are a lot of people are complementary who don't know how to adapt in society that those

kind of people don't want to help which is which is understandable but it's also very sad because you're not there to be patronized and you were there to genuinely help people we had other things on and on down the spouses as well we had some dresses on on board. and we tried to like give people had coats and other things that wasn't just kind of giving them materialistic things like we tried to give them more of an experience of who was the. people up. to going for job interviews and stuff like that but the thing is i think it's to make them feel better and i do have is that i think when you look obviously you know as a as a person who was lucky enough to live in a house the shower wash hair every day something normal but you live on the streets and you can't do that and a lot of places where people wouldn't go and use even public toilets or things that are so having the luxury of being able to have a hair wash of a haircut you look in

a mirror and actually see that you don't look like somebody who is sleeping rough you look like a normal person that to them is a big thing and as you were saying you know like you know it was universal credit you know it just takes 2 weeks for somebody to be where they were living and i think the thing what dunn is doing with buses for the homeless is making little poles in london buses and that not only are they giving some people so much to live they're also bringing in people to you know rehabilitate them into society again to get them jobs to get back in there i mean i cannot imagine what it must be like to have had some of these people have been you know well she had good jobs and now they have nothing they're ashamed that i want to go home. i can't imagine what it must be like it's must be an. adobe you believe all of them leave the list to slaughter was the killer so shouldn't a person be very proud of your daughters for sure to kill what would be. your lesson trying to deliver practical help to people but i think that's the most

important you know as they say you know give a man a fish eats for a day teach a man to fish and he is for life we've got to bring people back to society and show them what to do i mean an i phone today is enough for you to make a living on its you know something that you can do so people everyone that's homeless could really do something and make some money they just need to know how they need to be taught they need to be integrated back into society and i would and that is what dunn is doing and that's what we're trying to help them tell you will be there was memorable experience for me from your efforts or supposed to think a real estate so i think that i'd one of the best things about doing actually was i was so shocked i've i've never done it before and i think actually big the overall experience that you get from being able to help somebody else is not something i actually really get to do very often in day to day life you don't really get to say that you've gone out and you've made a difference in helping people and i think that just by the end of the day i wanted to quit my job and do it full time because you just feel so you have such an

amazing feeling of ever sponsibility that you've actually done something to help people and i strongly urge anyone who ever has any even if it's going out and giving somebody a bottle of water on the street or even when you go past someone acknowledge that they're there because that was one of the biggest things we got told was people are homeless and they've gone through whatever has happened to them to become homeless but the one thing they hated the most was being ignored and even if somebody is on the street and they're asking for money if you just say sorry don't have any other way say thank you it's not they're not doing it to be they don't like being ignored i think things like that are just little things that you pick up so now if i ever see anyone on the street when you go to buy. coffee full of water things like that it just makes you a bit more wise so what's going on around you i think that's why i picked up the most of the whole experience and killer thing you experiences but one of give you a little so which helps when you're going to be was america's i think the main thing is just how fortunate we all are and we have an ink we have incredible jobs

and we've been given such wonderful opportunities and in a way it makes you feel quite guilty that you know you're in a position that things come a little bit easier sometimes and then you do see these people whereas you know getting getting a job or the smallest thing is such a big thing for them exactly exactly what's holly was saying the smallest thing is a really really long way and i think that's something in our profession that we don't necessarily ever really think about because it all comes a little bit easier to us live is that what lesson learned you're sort of talking to the prime minister all of the say just one of the. backyard to lower the i just want to look at what so you're talking to because politicians were polled all of these what would be your your big message to the person who's look around you you know actually it's very good that you said that because as you know when you go into parliament when you go through the westminster cheap station it goes through the back way into parliament there are people hundreds of people

sitting there that are homeless and you think all these m.p.'s run past them every day do they not see them i mean what's going on in westminster school everywhere homeless people when i was growing up when i was that age there were people around like that there were thousands of people what is going on somebody has got to see what's happening i think that's the thing the focus at the moment is a lot of things which are a lot more important shall we say you know that every news coverage everywhere pretty much is about something to do with bracks it and understandably so hugely what's going on and that's fine however those issues there are other issues that don't subside just because something else has come into play. so i think it shouldn't be forgotten because it's something that is always been that is getting worse and surely in today's society with everything that we have and all the resources that we have it shouldn't really be a problem anymore so even i think things are just everybody chipping in a little bit and remote remembering is still there would be something to consider but if you were speaking to cue up what would be no such i think education is

a big thing as well i think educating people as to what is going on around them because people are unaware people haven't seen this firsthand necessarily so out yet for me i think education is the power there be kewl or tell your folks what should be in the show thanks for. with political debate consumed by bricks that key issues have been left in the shadows of these great issues eclipsed none is more pressing or more shameful than the housing crisis this stretches across united kingdom but nowhere is it more pressing than in the capital city of london it is more than half a century since ralph mc tells poignant record streets of london soared up the charts and since then the homeless charity said been well supported by a public perplexed and embarrassed by the sight of rough sleepers a visible and shameful demonstration of the poverty among london's plenty experts will postulate that the crisis is many facets mental health family breakup ex

service persons trauma the breakdown of source of security no doubt all of these things are important however both working with the homeless will tell you absolutely that for a very few this is in any sense a life choice the homeless are not there by preference that is why in these programs we've turned to examples of practical initiatives in the capital. those engaged in both the brixton soup kitchen and buses for homeless know that their efforts make but to me are dead on the scale of the issues which are being engaged however there is both the belief that their efforts to make a difference accompanied by the desire that one see their biology count pains will no longer be required but what does experience i'd say the confines of the capital when you return to the issue of homelessness and a couple of weeks we'll look at where the public policy has made a difference across the united kingdom and ask whether any european society has got

to grips with this intractable problem next week it's back to brics that where we look at the state of play in the aftermath of the party conference season with a howling deadline looming can the prime minister pull off a deal we'll hear big instructions she's received from the courts and parliament will be finally resolved by an election or another referendum or both so for now from alex and me and all issue is goodbye and we hope to see you next thank . you.

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