200 paintings depicting his adventures in space is names given to moon craters as well as streets and schools in russia and there are monuments to the cosmonauts in moscow the sophie shevardnadze interviewed alexian of several years ago when he described what it felt like stepping into outer space for the 1st time. what does the earth from the outside 8. go what got a blur. when i got out of the spaceship and stood on the shuttle edge i said suddenly as it were indeed the earth is round we left the spaceship at a height of almost 500 kilometers from the media point to the horizon i could see a circle with a radius of almost 2750 kilometers i could see 5500 kilometers which is half the earth it looked like a globe or a very good map and some parts were covered with clouds and it was so quiet it was so quiet i could hear my heartbeat i could hear my breathing it was all because of

the earth all of a sudden i heard attention attention someone has gone into space and is floating weightless lee. at the back. of the. pack. and it was even more surprising to hear the legs a please come back soon we're waiting for you on earth it was in a bridge and of speaking. it was a mixture of joy grief and sadness something absolutely extraordinary all this took some 10 to 12 minutes that's. how long did the flight take what's this just sort of 26 hours. its length was not the main objective it was impossible to surprise anyone at that time the question was whether it was possible to live and work in outer space. i was to solve this problem. and you can watch artie's documentary

called taking a space walk by heading to our web site r.t. dot com also we've got a special project on space exploration r t 360 check that out along you tube channel. i don't think you can get updates on all the top stories today appreciate you company throughout the evening join me for those updates in half an hour. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things were considered i'm peter lavelle on this edition of cross talk we demystify serious kurds almost all of the criticism launched against syria policy is not rooted in facts actually that criticism is driven by false narratives and the inability to admit the international proxy war to overthrow the damascus government has failed the sooner

all american troops leave syria the better for syria and the region. talking syria i'm joined by my guess omar while coffin u.k. he is founder and director of the gross is a think tank in britain that focuses on syria and the middle east in beirut we have more awesome and she is an academic and journalist and in dublin we cross the mike rather he is coeditor of b s news dot info right in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it let's go to beirut 1st you know i read the reactions very closely to try for a partial withdrawal i mean he tried it before and he failed and now he's done it again in lieu of the another illegal and the invasion of syria this time by turkey i mean i was just aghast on that characterization of what's going on in syria right

now and western audiences have been given so much to some from ation and false narratives it's very difficult for them to even understand what's going on except for war must go on endless war and i've been a critic of donald trump for many things but this is the right decision it was the right decision a year ago go ahead in beirut. definitely and i'd like to remind the audience that throughout this campaign before he became president he was always talking about pulling out the troops especially from syria were his narrative back then before before he became president was actually in there to have that was different that what we have heard of it was a narrative of who created isis why is isis there to begin with the role of turkey in bringing in isis to syria why should u.s. troops go to syria and the start of all of this he was not supporting this he was actually put this on the shoulders of barack obama being a disastrous u.s. foreign policy what he's doing right now is actually just going back to his previous as

a president to his campaigning days he's keeping promise of pulling out troops from war zones that are not bringing any benefit for the u.s. foreign policy or for troops for that matter and what he's doing is actually brokered a deal with turkey which has been going on for a while now we would just seen the fruits of this deal right now but again you are via the public as is misinformed in the west and this is why they are very much in shock as to why don't trump will put out the troops well in fact trump is doing a great deal of help for this for the syrians to begin with for the syrians who have been battered by the war against some of the global war against them it would be great of help for this your government which the liberals and the democrats would not like to hear yeah back in the u.s. but it would definitely mean more maneuvering for better. putting out a better constitution for political resolutions for syria and this will definitely we do see as the operation of turkey which there's so many bad there so in the end of the day this will just put more pressure on turkey and you harass both of them

to talk to syria there are so many forces against peace it's just remarkable this entire complicated amar let me go to you i mean what i find so paradoxical and quite bizarre to be honest with you is that the very thought of taking troops out of syria but it's never mentioned that there are. there you legally under international law i mean it's never that meant that that narrative is never mentioned and plus it's never explained why they were there at all go ahead mark. well the legal basis for their presence in syria are pretty much similar to the legal basis of their presence or their invasion of iraq exactly exactly 0 zilch there is nothing this is a group of nations who saw fit to invade another country for whatever reason the time they wish to have and the end of the day one could argue that the congress haven't even indorsed such an invasion let alone the united nations the only way

this could have been legitimate was for the united states to acknowledge that as the stomach state officially and then dash to carry out an attack on the united states then the united states would be able to come back and say we've been attacked by these people just like what happened in afghanistan but in syria never there is no legal basis they're there to create an abnormality that would create a problem for future generations. in order for them perhaps to find it easy to intervene in this part of the world you know to to manage such crises you know mike i mean in the way that i look at the u.s. role in syria from the very beginning as being a spoiler i mean this was looking for that combination of countries and proxies and all this to get the outcome they want which was a pipe dream from the very very beginning and it with their will to complete withdrawal of american troops there that forces forces on the ground to start making diplomatic moves the united states puts it into a deep freeze and that is intentional i think ok they don't want outcomes they

can't control that hubris mike. is only worth of course u.s. troops. there are still very very summer so those are july. which is another r.c. stronghold so you know they're not there they seem to be are having this bowl of. trucks is the place to order. for the last 9 years so yeah there's little they have left what they've done is they've moved. 30 starts. its bombing campaign and it's the dogs that already and just this week we've seen turkey actually commit war crimes as. civilian infrastructure including water treatment and pumping stations will facilities. this has the potential to affect at least 2000000000 people in the answer so this is a disaster waiting to happen the media not even touching this yet so whether they

will or not who knows they just keep talking about the plight of the victims and the victimhood of the terrorists which is a complete nonsense the whole the whole narrative of russia is completely wrong the chance that the want to gently just how did all aggression pact with the ambassadors in 2014 they really don't matter still is the american strain and start giving them weapons and they're the evil why b.j. lost control on the ground and they can't really do the deal to the rest but in my view little too late because it just may be too late because that opportunity was out there from the very beginning virtually the very beginning of this proxy war that it was forced upon syria from the outside here marwan let me let me give a hypothetical because people watch this program and say we're all one sided ok so i'm going to throw a wrench in the works here what is what do we hear in western media this benefits putin this benefits iran how do you react to that because they never talk about what benefits the syrian people but that's beside the point go ahead and they wrote

. that me and it's it's laughable it's definitely and it's laughable because most of the people who are talking about this specially in the western media who is anti trump and tie syria to begin with talks about of without even mentioning where syria is on the public. people don't even know where syria is on the love they don't know what has been happening for the past 8 years they don't know that the syrian arab army along with its allies has been eliminated isis they think that it is really the us that eliminated isis and it's laughable i mean i join conferences for all across the world in europe and asia and africa when i talk to people and i give them facts when i show them videos and numbers they are flabbergasted because they have never seen this the mainstream media is working towards misinforming the public hence making policy is according to this misinformation that would only target the syrians and target the syrian government and institutions the issue with what's happening right now is only labeling turkey as

a war criminal because it's targeting the white b.g. but at the time when we should talk it on both sides at the time when turkey with was actually targeting. isis or targeting other ethnic groups we never we never heard about when turkey targeted isis mind lee in 20122013 we never heard of all the ethnic cleansing syrians not only kurds now turkey is also doing an ethnic cleansing for assyrians from the southern from the northern part we never heard about turkey's role to give money and support and finances and weapons to the us had to have had a shot in live and the role that and just last month they closed the bubble how a border in the face of these fighters they have no idea what i'm talking about they don't already know maher are you know guarding the well you know why vouch shall not speak badly of a nato ally that's why it happens here. gets a free pass for all of its bad behavior in the region m r let me go back to you i mean. now is the kurds

a big no no and. they would know what occurred if it hit them in the face but that's beyond the point again because of what the media coverage here well you know what's what's very interesting to me is that what is what is in the minds of the deep state here i mean if you leave syria the domino for one side gone falls the rest of asia goes i mean is this the thinking that's coming here about withdrawing 2000 troops because that sends a signal of a retreat from the region which would be a bad idea go ahead on mars. well i would i would disagree slightly with you both of you and i well because actually the american forces weren't there they didn't go into syria to save the syrian people whatever it is they win specifically to counter putin and iran that's exactly so that they're not really lying are they so in a sense it's to come to russian influence that's what they think the point of the matter is find new allies in the kurds problem up and so on and so forth so it is natural

through such circles of decision makers in washington to view such a withdrawal to be small gain or 8 here at home are let me say that means they would be let me stay with you m.r. i mean so good let's get this straight here ok so i'm going to use rather crude terms here but i mean the kurds were a tool they were a tool for the us and it's intervention into syria they were took a flood so i'm now out of it now but being a tool now we have to protect their civil and human rights and give them a stake and pay for this and stay forever and constantly create can't chaos in syria i mean that's what they're selling in western media nobody forced the kurds to do this nobody forced him to take the money no one took the boys and the take the arms no one forced them to take the training here mike let me go to you last 40 seconds on this part of the program go ahead 30 seconds. they're going to. look like they're still serious all of this is. syrian government

or syrian people are very. serious but. why did. the basque used to be. back when this all started president assad did offer 300000 . all citizens so i think the voters there is time for that for that relationship. to come back together again but if that is their only hope they say that sure it's ok you have mentioned. suspends they have damascus one point whether that's still the case well the claim i didn't see or i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on syria state with r.t. . if .

you really get the. room that was appealed to monticello somebody needs to step. he was the digits of 6. that. let. the fisherman moves just as from the. top of the mind that you. call.

the brain does know if you are in the way but. see when you are in the labor time you. come to the brain you damage it in a way that comes up and secondly the brain is incredibly sent delegates. you can damage some bones to the brain you can kill the patient does by damaging it one of 2 millimeters a brain tumor. welcome back across the uk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle trenchant we're discussing syria. let's go back tomorrow and in beirut you know every time i look at a country that takes a military offensive against another i always have one question what does it mean to win if you're willing to initiate hostilities what is the definition of victory

. unfortunately for the last 25 years i haven't asked that question in washington ok i'm trying to think of what's going on with ankara here what is victory for turkey and nato ally in its invasion of northern syria what is it aim to do and when can it's a good one go ahead. primarily to ethnically cleanse the area from the people living there whether they are arabs with the syrians or if they are kurds possibly because or majorly because turkey sees the white peachey as an extension of the pick up the kurds who are fighting with the opposition position inside of turkey they just see the wipe e.g. in syria an extension for these. groups that are by the way the stood by the us as a terrorist organization so they see that the us is being 2 sided here standing with the white beach you are supposed to be also terrorist as the p.k. car but that the 1st thing that they want to see is to create some sort of a safe zone in the in the northern part of syria that goes from men bush goes through to the. safe for heroes remiss. to

save zone and then for them and for turkey or turkey not not for not for syria definitely and at the end of the day they would say look we are trying to save make this this piece of land a safe zone for us for our national security therefore we can station year we can be an occupying force but later on the planet and the gun to bring in $1800000.00 refugees he was he's willing to give them nationalities he wants distinction them and this saves on therefore by all means it will become a turkish learned ok well that turned into them are you know but nobody did consult to damascus about this did they well that's right i mean what would be the name of i find it really fascinating because they have to narrative is there and they never the 2nd half so if american troops leave syria they were abandoning the turks quote unquote and they will be slaughtered but they never say who's going to flock to

them but don't really make the admission that it's assad that's going to slaughter them it could be the turks but they don't mention it because turkey is a nato ally i mean it's a half a narrative there and it could be and i know a lot of but i know a lot of average americans they scratch their head every time they hear this is i what what what why are we there the 1st place kurds and ever heard of them why do we help them i mean this is what happens here but not for the foreign policy blah but because for many reasons i've already mentioned go ahead amar go ahead. over the kurds are pretty much syrian citizens but the americans were in there for their benefits right for their they were there for their own benefits they were using the kurds probably propping them up in order to gain influence and create some problem at the end of the day they couldn't i would argue that they couldn't really care less how the kurds are going to fare after an american withdrawal all they want to have is probably turkey gets whatever it wants in this particular save zone what turkey probably wants is even if they don't take that land into turkey they would

probably put some immigrants against their will i would argue as well because nobody wants to leave istanbul and live in a desert. and then at the end of the day they might think the turks that is that we have got people inside syria who would vote the way we want them to vote so at the end of the day this is also a political realistically oriented towards the upcoming political process and so on and so forth kurds nobody gives a damn at the end of the day the americans think turkey might have gone too close to russia let us remember that part of what happened in the past 4 or 5 years is that a lot of american allies in the region kept going to moscow more they went to washington sellable like turkey for example or some nations are actually finding more accords with moscow than with washington and want to could argue as well this accords with washington so that is a little bit troubling so one could argue that this is the reason why they given the turks this bit of in the way but they surely do not want the syrian army to go

back. and take whatever piece of land that is now being occupied by the americans or their proxies so you know at the end of the day whether this few more schism in that area arabs against kurds the americans couldn't care less in fact one could argue that the only reason why die could go back there is because it's already made the arabs disenchanted with way too much kurdish power might want to organize the japs or reorganize themselves and fight against that so in a sense the american presence there is actually i would argue what he's feeling isis i agree with you completely ok if you leave you don't give them a reason to exist there at least here you know it might mean the interesting thing is here is that let's take a look at that damascus point of view here here here where the arrow of your neighbor is carving up the northern part of your country here and you're supposed to sit there and watch once the americans do leave the arab the syrian army will

take over the area where the united states is quote unquote policing occupying wasting time whatever. then they're going to turn their eyes ok the interesting thing is good i'm really glad that i brought up going to moscow because it's going to be loud for off and his team of diplomats are going to have to untie this not all again ok because this invasion and colonization is an untenable proposition it's not going to work ok it's not going to work and at the end of the day syria has a right to would solve and it will get its own land back it's only a matter of time they've they've had they have the patience they have the. the professionalism now that they didn't have back in 2011 and they have international support though you wouldn't read that in the new york times or to c.n.n. go ahead mike. seriously. every 1st country. free money. it will be

over and it said as we said earlier that they. still act as get involved in something else spark some other major catastrophe i think i'd be both pretty speeches when it comes to this little strip of land 34 meters deep maybe mine an extension 50 kilometers deep from. i think the plan for turkey in the victory for city would be less populated that with progress a good honest maybe in a couple years will appeal to the un and oversee a referendum and then that will become bad seeds absolutely so that is the turkish plan i think with regards to brics this is the american plan actually i hold completely responsible for this so the attempt to attend to destroy syria i don't i don't think they have a plan they wage war and create chaos and so destruction all over the place they just want to sit the region on fire and then the military industrial complex in come in and sell arms to restart and there's always this potential war that's all

they care about we see the same get it back after 20 years we've got more killing them all deaths and in baghdad again so yeah that's that's what they are in is you look at libya same sort of things i think they underestimated syria there are a list underestimate the syrian people and also understood by their allies and i think in 7 now their allies have come in had syria been to sunscreen and had there been lots of lots of defections early on the analysts would not have stepped in i don't think they only did it because syria looks strong looks strong but on the overwhelming force was been. surrounding it from all sides turkey itself has played a really vicious role of this it's stolen looted whole factories in aleppo and religious artifacts from places like lula and obviously the oil from the recent part of syria that the likes of that relationship is not dominant there's ever going to be any kind of all your relationship between. also m r i we go back to beirut here i mean i'm not another thing that's not reported very

much i mean if you look at the kurds be asked. which is you know 40000000 people it's a biggest fiasco in the world without a state you know and i feel for them ok just the combination historical combination never worked out for them unless you want for countries in the middle east to give up their sovereignty and give it to someone else which we all know is not going to happen here but everyone i think has to be very careful because you know he always has his vision and he tends to fall on his face always asking for forgiveness afterwards but i mean you have to worry about the kurds in turkey itself i mean if there's going to be maltreatment of the kurds which they don't deserve all right then they're going to have to worry about it them so they have a good result who in their sovereignty is going to worry you're going. no actually he that he doesn't have to worry about it because majorly if you look there are certain sticks that say for example that the city of istanbul it's majorly run by kurdish businessmen who are actually allied with evelyn there's

a lot of confusion as to how many kurds are actually against at the gun versus how many he has as allies and somebody doesn't have to worry about that and considering concerning the 40000000 this for i mean look at lebanon we are a tiny country of 4000000 but we have 25000000 and that the that doesn't mean anything because inside of syria the kurds are only 6 percent of the entire fabric of the syrian fabric to me if we are going to give the kurds we might as well start listening to certain demands from the syrians from the daniels from the christians from the muslims it would never as this is not the case syria should be unified as it was just before the war and i like to remind everyone specially your audience that we are on a very important phase right now we have before the end of the year there is the talks which the constitutional right there will be held and i just read a few hours ago that president putin will be in both saudi arabia and the u.a.e. next week this is also a major development we also know that the talks there should be

a platform that says all of syria will be liberated all of this year and that. will come back for this constitution to work properly this is what the turks the iranians and the russians agreed upon when he met uncle and the very important thing is i think the main plan for whatever the godfather evelyn's not to take land in syria but to put the refugees that he cannot hold anymore because his own public opinion his own turkish residents and public opinion in turkey is against more refugees against even having the current refugees staying it's more than 5000000 refugees but it's about 2000000 syrians so what he's thinking about is making this saves zone into an area for these specific refugees who by the way house of which have already turkish i.d.'s so it's a few of the voyage tomorrow in that area and you can call came bill maher where do they look percent over you feel big politics will these people want to be moved there that's the last question what they want to go well will they have another

option i would have another option or as there will be extradited there will be put pushed out of turkey ok margaret quick 20 seconds to finish up the program tomorrow . i think i think basically these people are looking westwards they're looking for a better life for their children they're looking for more education more economic prosperity and so on and so forth in no way they would want to go back to a war torn yeah especially if they know that this war is not going to end the toll and they're going to be you know fuel for the next battle so i'm thinking they're going to be dragged there and we've heard i don't think all this from the lungs you know money and john told you. you're right well well i'm afraid we've run out of time now to the president change join over there will be drawn out of time many thanks to my guest in the u.k. dublin and beirut and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. unix time and remember.

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