we have in today's going underground the 1st is the nature parliamentary assembly meets today here in london is the organization in crisis as donald trump arguably gives the green light for nato member turkey to invade syria and wipe out u.s. backed kurdish militias joining me now is a former ally of asama bin laden turned in my 6 by him and a when they were going on so don't really grab u.k. foreign secretary is hosting this whatever it is need to parliamentary assembly where loads of politicians gather what shape do you think nato is in today of the troops decision to withdraw u.s. troops role in syria i think trump was trying to save nato. as it is because he realized that the number of american troops there in northern syria is really small and he knows that our don is a incredibly difficult person to deal with look at what happened with that 455 you know deal where he preferred there's 400 over the if you really like the s 400 is connected to this the russian defense is not necessarily i'm just saying that for

tom he knows that don will defy rationality no matter what whenever he is single mindedly fixated on something he will do it and he allies that it will be difficult for america because if he leaves the small number of u.s. troops there and by any mistake they end up being killed by turkish fire whether direct or indirect then that would be unprecedented it it would be the 1st time ever that nato soldiers killed by hostile fire from another nato force and therefore what prompted it was to move american soldiers out of the way in order to make sure that nato alliance as a whole survive but at the same time try to use something else against which is their economy remember turkish economy is vulnerable as fragile it's not what it used to be before the job is threatened with obliteration exactly because he believes. is that by removing american troops who he can save nato but also by

applying economic pressure he can save the kurds it's not necessarily abandoning the kurds but basically trying to save nato alliance and american soldiers he doesn't want american soldiers blood on his hand on an election year so he is painting it as look we shouldn't be there in the 1st place but at the same time he is actually calculating this as an exercise in order to save the nato alliance from fracturing from within do you think the widespread liberal opinion and liberal media pundits in mainstream media they've been saying trump's decision is terrible he should've kept the troops in there even sure we called in the shadow foreign secretary thornberry doing they all just missed the point they much more nuance of course they missed the point because i don't think they ever been basically in the battlefield before big mistakes happen in orders on many mistakes happen in the war zone and if you leave your own troops there while there is an invasion by turkish

forces they will be put in harm's way whether by the kurds themselves who are trying to get into their bases for refuge and security or by the turks chasing them and then end up firing on bases that belongs to the americans because you never know where american military advisers are at any given moment and the americans are not going to share that information with the turks so mistakes are bound to happen so if american blood spilt by turkish bombs what do you think trump will be forced to do then again within his or the world falling into a trap because within it how is the decision by goal drone. strikes or rules in syria of course because the problem is for a divine one for the turks in general unfortunately they've been fixated on this kurdish problem for decades and decades not realizing basically that the best way to deal with the kurdish problem is dialogue and it will end up basically in a peace process. whether it now or 6 decades from now so why not start now because

we invite the turkish ambassador on who will refute some of those arguments when it doesn't leave the kurds because some people have always wondered it was a bit strange the cia and u.s. sources military sources supporting a avowedly left wing socialist neo communist movement in the north of syria was an order in the 1st place well 1st of all we shouldn't treat all the code of that as a monolith like as if they all they're all marxist or leninist a know only a few factions of them are i mean yes the overall picture of the group of yes i mean the overall picture of the basic to be you know more socialist leaning but that would end up basically like they're kurdish rather than at all you know cop to some free marketeers at some point in the future you know they are smart entrepreneurial people and it will not basically end up in the north korea i mean nothing actually not. they are already in their own. controlled areas they are

allowing foreign companies from east and west to explore the oil and they are sharing the profits with these companies so already actually they are. applying the capitalist free market thinking into their own territories do you think they know that here in london lasix just like the studio they understand this and what what does it mean the to me a putin criticised trumps decision. keep it seems counter-intuitive that the russian government would want american troops in syria the problem is don basically realize that ok president on prison moving these american forces out of harms way it means that he is expecting us to do something but at the same time trump is not does not want to be put in a position where he has to defend american lives against a fellow nato member it's. catch 22 really so is that one of the context

in which we should understand the fact that president assad of syria said no 2 of which was based on kurdish leaders and certainly. not saying that there's going to be some grand deal with the kurds in northern syria basically the kurds are completely isolated at some point. realistically speaking assad has to accept that there will be an ad hoc style. arrangement between damascus and the kurds it has to happen because i don't think said on his own has enough manpower to actually just invade and control and keep that area at peace so the north of syria is almost lost to his got authority but he can still keep it within syria as an autonomous region just like the k r g in iraq ok well you mentioned iraq it's been a terrible few days here in iraq very little reporting in this country 1st drug why

do you think that we don't here in britain and in the united states need to a nation media does not cover a country which of course was invaded by a duel a sions i don't think this is how i think it's a bit of a guilt that we invaded that country because we thought that we are going to make it into a beacon of democracy prosperity. and economic success in that ocean of chaos and poverty and misery and the reality it became actually the center of poverty and misery in the middle east right now you know i was discussing this with a few friends a few days ago and i said that saddam has a nice experience. of excellence but in after the gulf war saddam hussein was able to in $9091.00 he was able to restore electricity to about a dud full of the city within 4 days and the rest of the entire country within 2

months. it's been now 16 years since the end of the war and the invasion at arc and they haven't restored any of the pre-war electricity water sanitization and in a water delivery to homes since then 16 years and 4 $100000000000.00 of oil revenue money throughout these 16 years is lost to corruption which is why some say that of course it was a deliberate attempt to destabilize iraq in the region as major nations are being blamed for before but of course it's also in the news iraq because trump is celebrating the fact that 2 alleged. religions have been taken to iraq what you make of the narrative about isis days fighters and what to do with them it's big here in this country because of the british citizen she lost her citizenship of course she will because i think the european country has made a terrible mistake by just. taking away the citizenship of these people without any

due process and leaving them there. with the possibility they might escape because of the current invasion they didn't foresee it of course they might escape and they might end up a ton in here as refugees using false passports or false documents i always said that the only way to deal with the eyes of foreign fighters i'm talking about thousands here is for the united nations and for the u.n. security council to find an island somewhere in the mediterranean or that landed designated as an international tribunals own and international tribunals on where laws and doing. due process exist when you know that some western governments may not like some of the confessions made by isis fighters there were links between the intelligence services in the 2 nations with a sister well i mean basically i don't know either which used to be yeah but this is not like an exactly something that. well known or well documented like

a little i believe there is no evidence of it yet however we need to bring them into recognize international zone ok well some of us only for good terror as ju ju over of course the big perhaps the biggest geopolitical event was the hooghly strike on iran co now there's been a torpedo attack on the rainier oil vessel iran says this is the oil heating oil for syria in the winter what do you think the duties are going to do next are going to hit the desalinization plants of the arabian i mean they taught before why this twice before and from the beginning the war started in yemen because the saudis found themselves in a vulnerable position in the past they always thought that if they. in order to keep the water of the 70s in dissemination blunt's out of the east where they are vulnerable to any and strikes they put them on in the west they put

a fine of his who were who were in the east also in the west so they can export oil that is their defense system sold to them by the united states so they can stop these attacks obviously. has for hundreds in turkey how bad are their u.s. defenses i mean even the russians are having difficulty with drones in syria defending their own bases in syria drone technology is a very different beast from any missile so the israelis basically are the only ones who developed the iron dome which actually can defend against drones but even then a system was penetrated by hezbollah drone which actually flew for more than 24 kilometers into israel before it was and deceptive drones are more difficult because they fly well below the radar detection range and at the same time basically it's just their small little guy when the when the u.s. warship was destroyed just by a rubber dinghy how vulnerable is your right but we saw oil prices spike at a record of oil present but of course the saudis are vulnerable because. cause when

you are using a hybrid of hybrid cruise missiles. drones flying below 30 meters above the ground undetected and then striking targets with accuracy because the possibility of an insider to help where some people basically you know placed. in attacking devices in order to got these missiles straight into the targets of course basically this is a big vulnerability inside that threat to with an outsider threat coming together in this form it was a really big shock to the saudis to understand that this attack was coordinated from outside and inside that's the 1st thing the 2nd thing also their vulnerability wasn't only just the home state which now you know the truth is basically have their own forces just nearby so sorry the food security sorry the energy export securities are the water dissemination security all of these 3 major fundamental

securities are under threat. of course basically their war against his and yemen was to remove a fundamental part of the threat no nation can tolerate. basically someone putting a gun to their head their water security had their foot security had their energy exports security had no one. you know this to happen we do thank you so much after the break will it be a slam dunk for peace candidate trump in 2020 of the democratic field wark allegedly racist joe biden we ask congressional candidates from both sides of the all the civil to be able bodied you're going to grow. a paradise with some around turned into a ground experimentation field cultural chemicals we know. that these chemicals

have consequences they are major irritants there's no question otherwise why would that the chemical company workers themselves be geared up and suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments but also an invading you have many of these people where one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of environmental racism going on in hawaii whether these companies feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to a guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.

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welcome back in the 1st half we discuss the impact of trump's decision to join us was as a rule the syria on the middle east region but what does this move mean for his prospects of becoming a 2 term president will join me now via skype from pokey is the g.o.p. hopeful for florida's 20th congressional district not to raise a jones not to raise a thanks for coming on the program let's just begin actually with this. and he wore president morning because the trump is good why do you think liberal media in the united states are unhappy with him pulling forces out of syria isn't that what he said that he would do that he didn't want endless wars yes apparatus has done everything he stated he would do as. sharing of a key that went to war to the iraq war i think it's time and we're going to

continue to support the president and follow the decisions he's making because look at it we can see the progress here in this country but they don't tell the truth i think this is about they'll be in awe which thought this is a total this is congress saying it because the united states of america and the people that provide information which is our media the d.m. to be on these which funds and to stab at our president at every moment that they have it's well because we hired them to do a job as well that they're not don't want the whole thing is part of my district which is actually one of the poorest light districts what is one of the unemployment rate is 17 percent here 17 percent is higher than anything in the country israel so my constituents need here they want votes on a crowded cafe in the pokey or in. can i ask you what you your vote is

a telling you about the trump impeachment process do they care or do they think that actually this is the democrats trying to protect their chosen man joe biden nothing to do with anything trump did wrong yes i was. right to my constituents this trail are waking up and this is what concerns me is across the country for the and i'm not actually like say democrats or republicans because we're americans i just happen to the american blacks and we all think the same at the end of the day and also much misrepresented is represented the same as well at the end of the day are all of us as far as my constituents the people are tired they don't think been lied to reminds me years in this country and that's you know people all the time this will be just listen to them if you talk to real people and which i do i go door to door and gabby is like this is

a small this this is this is the place where i could probably have a conversation and a towel or democratic environment and people say you know what they're also hooks their sleeves they may not switch their parties that they will this president because a lot of them like what he's doing. well you did say unemployment was 20 percent or 20 percent in your district. these troubles been in power for what 4 years why has new done anything to help the unemployed of your district isn't that what you're going to hear on the door step. no i'm not going to hear that because they know who's been running this district for the last 18 years just been a powerful 4 years but the congressman has been run amuck district which is congressman hastings for the last 18 years and there's absolutely nothing me undone absolutely nothing and the people see it and they tell me all the town hall we need and we need something new we're tired of this we're tired of this and that's what they are afraid of because grassroots and we have elections talking to the people

where yes elections nor with the people need getting out here and just listening to people why is this so hard for people to understand him listen to people i know you want to say you are a unifying candidate doesn't matter whether the democrats or republicans want to pick up all the votes of joe biden that one of the debates black people people of color may need therapy because of the legacy of slavery he appeared to be saying that and of course previously he has advocated segregation do you think the democrats are in danger of putting up. a candidate associated with racism joe biden at this particular point with a history that they had and what they've done over the years especially when we speak of mr biden and i think about the irreverence that black people need to solve them all the problems we know what we need what we need is to continue to support each other because there's something else that mr biden addressed it's not just

about the your beat it's about you know it's about us being able to build our families we need to strengthen our families back in this community i don't care who they put up against a person that he's gonna win reelection i can guarantee that he's going to win the black vote also. well ok i knew president obama actually deported 3000000 people but you're talking about families you're talking about him winning the election you know that your media is full of reports of the separation of families by your president what's the point of this wall if you can just put a build a tunnel under a wall of the business in el paso texas which is boarded the right. to the border there and cross over they have small chance like a yard that's not anything that's going to secure secure borders president obama shipped out 3000000 people but a star soccer star we don't have a whole bunch of people especially to break the law and come here illegally we need

to take care of america's cheese and amir pins. that reza jones thank you well now to the other side of the aisle and a democratic candidate challenging the current chair of the u.s. house judiciary committee jerry nadler in new york's 10th congressional district former under young stuff a jonathan hertzog joins me now via skype from manhattan and jonathan thanks so much for coming on the show how can you possibly beat the chair of the house judiciary committee jerry nadler he's the man who's going to be part of all the impeachment proceedings maybe. well baykeeper outing me. and the reason i'm running is the fact that in new york's 10th district which is the west side of manhattan and south brooklyn one in 6 folks can't meet their basic needs and one in 5 of our store fronts are closing because of the commerce so it's just an emblem of the fact that we're going through this fundamental economic and technological shift and i'm running on a set of policies that will help move in new york and help move the country forward so that's not the main focus and the way will bring campaign across the finish line

you have you know on the doorstep if joe biden or i don't know maybe kemal heiresses your presidential candidate how you going to run how you going to run against don't trump who is now declaring as you know his intention to end u.s. involvement in wars ending endless wars you are basically a war candidate in brooklyn. well so so i i spent you know really much of last year making sure we bought to make and. kind of grow and grow and be democratic party and i'm happy to say that he essentially went from relative anonymity to now a top 5 or 6 presidential candidate and all the indicators are such that it will continue to grow again as clearly great campaigning work for yang but i mean around the world venezuela trump seems to have lost interest in trying to overthrow that

government saying he's on the record for one thing the democratically elected nick lever there overthrown another democrat warhawk policy while so certainly as you suggest as well we need to be building it here at home in the united states and promoting peace building a diploma sleeve around the globe so that's that's really the goal that's the emphasis is the fact that. and this is the business for across the world we're going to the 4th industrial. revolution discussion army technological people that's really disrupting the lives of tens of thousands of folks here in the united states . and many more around the world and this is going to have ramifications geopolitically and downstream and foreign policy as well yeah but how 4th industrial revolution is it sounds like the napoleonic wars arguably when again andrea hang on the record saying increase sanctions on russia on putin i mean do

you support that kind of policy overthrowing the door sanctions on russia and putin saying iran is destabilizing force in the region this is part of the hillary clinton playbook surely. so that's not my sense of his stance and his position on on those issues but certainly you know as you said the deep ocus has to be in peace building and diplomacy and restoring and stability. here in the united states and around the world and so certainly the notion that the united states having an outsized role in overthrowing governments is. not not a suggestion not make any sense trump is using twitter as you said he's also he's been tweeting a good exxon mobile because of his hatred presumably hatred for joe biden what do you think that some of your potential voters who put off by the big money connections to your party i know you probably have about as much money campaign

money as your opponent jerry nadler who got money for walt disney and scandal hit beloit which is just been fined here or millions for order to well so you raise a really important point which is across party lines and this really as a reality in american politics is the outsized role big money in the political system and so one of the key policies of the campaign is democracy dollars which is a campaign finance reform system to ensure. that people's voices are actually represented in the in the halls of congress and in the highest levels of government and so what this would do would put $100.00. as a voucher directly into the hands of american citizens so they can determine and we can align. the incentives of the financial capital with those people

and so your point out is not the system we have right now and it's a coming upon us as challengers to. lead our campaigns aligned with the vision values. that type of policy speak up to an act and that is with people powered political movements and money over here in london and in britain the talk is of opposition leader jeremy kuhlmann who favors or seems to favor as advisors for a universal basic income why has it been so difficult for up all of this was like yourself to get the information out about what a universal basic income could do and how practical it could be. well i'm happy to say that the me being is growing weeps inbounds day in day out here in the united states and as you suggest really across the world so in fact coming up on the 26th there is a basic income march that really started here in new york city but it's now i believe grown to 12 cities across the country and even in countries around the

world and so certainly the movement has been growing steadily but really we're seeing in 2020 this this moment. absolute growth and a sense of convergence from all sides of the aisle joven it's a thank you. as if the show will be back on monday 57 years of the day of the cuban missile crisis which could have meant washington is going the earth until they could talk about social media go together subscribe to our you child. in this community there are people who believe that it's ok to help iraqis who don't like him it's really hard there are no jobs and you see that i've got kids

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