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jeremy corbyn goes a fast the state opening of the british parliament by the queen joining me is one of the world's top human rights was geoffrey robinson q.c. and founder of doubt history chambers jeffrey welcome back to going undergrads are reports of the queen seeking advice on sacking boris johnson intimations routinely in the press the johnson wants to unlawfully avoid sending a letter to the european union your queen's councillors the queen consulted you about my obligations as a queen's counsel to advise the queen whenever i'm asked free of charge and i have not not yet been. advised daughter in law wants but not the queen she needs a lot of advice because there are a lot of case about the british constitution of which she is the nominal guardian we talk about our. constitution you know the only 2 countries in the world
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that don't have a written constitution a great britain and saudi arabia and in saudi arabia they don't have a supreme court that is capable of holding the ruler the government to account and i think we can be proud of the fact that our supreme court did stop the government from getting rid of parliament for 5 weeks that was an outrage and of course it was the supreme court who protected parliamentary democracy so i guess we don't know whether we live in a parliamentary democracy or goals judicial morning but you know very little constitutional no man's land where you know very well we don't have a written constitution why not where the country that gave the world the english language shakespeare and we are incapable apparently of writing down and our hypocrisy goes deeper because you know in the sixty's when we gave. it's to all
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these other former colonies we gave them our constitution we wrote it down here said here is a westminster constitution ad so it they have the way they have it every day yeah but you know very well that if we don't what business is it of the judges of the supreme court to overrule a democratically elected someone's business to uphold democracy in the rule of law and as it happens that falls into democracy to be legal to the judicial branch and it's for the judges to make sure all the the government used to be the king now the government keeps to the law now there's a lot of press about diplomatic immunity case i want to get onto that in a 2nd but i know you were julian assange lawyer for a while perhaps you can't talk about it but there have been revelations that you are bugged on what i haven't read the ripple asians i will of course julian are
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sonders in jail with a lot of islamic terrorists and belmarsh prison likely to remain for a couple of years while his extradition case goes through so. his fate will depend on the british government or the british government as it is in a couple of years time maybe but i think the conservatives would be happy to extradite him it may be the mr coburn's government would not ok but i mean you have such a little illustrious history of human rights cases have you ever previously been bugged by the cia as you read talking to cloud i suspect i've been bugged by the russians by the americans by their spirit and i suspect that the role of an independent lawyer acting in cases where dissidents are up against the state. is
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very often to have been but i mean when i did the a.b.c. case back in the seventy's which was a famous case involving these court. bases that have in fact. these muties which we're currently seeing being played out in the wife of a cia officer who ran over a boy and killed him and is claiming immunity but these bases were the subject of their real function was revealed by 2 time out journalists back in the seventy's who were immediately prosecuted for up to 30 years imprisonment on the official secrets act and it was then they were exposed to american bases although they were cold a.f. x. and y. to food the russians they were in fact full of americans they had a british wing commander who was called the wing commander in charge of sitting in
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the window not just the diplomats all the u.s. soldiers. but right even their hospitals i want to active for poor fellow who had gone for an operation in the u.s. base hospital in britain and they'd left a toilet girl inside it so of course we sued for negligence. to. the americans under the status of forces like it ok buying power you see in the tearful parents of harry dunn the british teenager killed we don't know necessarily he was killed by the spies his wife has been reported in the present indeed he worked for the cia. she was taken back to langley virginia which is fairly obvious that he was in fact cia but he was given she was given immunity and it's very wrong morally and it is cause. to
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claim unity between 2 good allies i know the grieving parents said it was a waste of time talking to british foreign secretary dominic robb but. he's going to be a poodle to donald trump who president trump of course said there's no way she's going. to have a trump card or speak talking to the president where you point out that these bases a pretty vital to america's security and in fact they were used in 1904 by ronald reagan to bomb tripoli that killing in a berlin discotheque by what he thought was good after his agents and mrs thatcher in those days simply quietly said ok if donald trump wants to bomb iran as is former national security adviser john bolton rather did then they would fly from their bases in britain we worry about sovereignty and exit
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europe but we have these bases in britain are entirely american well. basically shows we have some kind of a. carrier for the united states brazil is increasingly being seen as a proxy for u.s. foreign policy your client former president lula has been offered the chance of freedom by brazilian prosecutors. why do you think they've carried him why is your client preferred he's not taken it because there are strings attached what has been discovered since his my view wrongful conviction is that the judge who is now mr bowles rose minister of justice reward was in fact deeply involved in prosecuting the man he was actually try and watch as the from whistleblower. things do emerge from whistleblowers
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a lot of e-mails between the judge and the prosecutor the judge telling the prosecutors what to do if the case comes to court you may well be seen as a wrongful conviction secured by a biased judge and so he refused to allow. to stand for the presidency which he would have won the united nations human rights commission ordered brazil to allow him to stand until his conviction was finalized approved by the supreme court and they refused so how soon do you think he'll be free and able to run against both and where there are presidential elections for a couple of years but i'm sure he'll be available when he was president and i hope he will be out of prison i hope he'll be cleared of these ludicrous charges well the media was said to be
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a big part of the defamation of your client for president lula in brazil the media here under the spotlight partly because of all the sex crime allegations against conservative politicians that turned out to be complete and utter nonsense what is your role being in trying to. for one of the victims of this extraordinary event it's the worst operation in. history because they came across and facts the man who made the movie. allegations about you say lou because the deputy leader of the labor party tom watson to where he seriously and raise them involved yes i know rick trying to maneuver himself to be deputy leader of the labor party at that time and his love of self published city does cost a real doubt over him as a credible public should butt. even worse the priests who took seriously these
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absurd fantasies of spider masters politicians illustrious head of the army lord bramall proctor a former conservative m.p. cutting up small boy is them and then murdering them and the police took this seriously and never investigated mr beach they didn't talk to his mother who could have told them what a lie he was not a cruel difficulties he said he was taken out from school every couple of days in order to be the head of the army. a quick check of his school would have said that was nonsense but they didn't do it we invited president that his goal in the art on the show but she's previously had to apologize for the killing or must i'm reading of the killing of george alderman is of course and serve under do you think she should resign well i think she should consider her position and
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consider what her role was as for the british people of finally fed up with bungling of the fact that scotland yard committed 43 different mistakes in the course of a few weeks is has been revealed by a high court judge and costs a very real question over the competence of scotland yard i think there are 2 reforms that may come about firstly if the achilles heel of civil liberties in britain is the fact that police can go to a lady magistrate or some form of lickspittle justice and get a rubber stamp on a search warrant that can destroy a home people reputation and that done entirely in secret there is no record.
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made what the police say to the magistrate could get a walk so i think the 1st reform has to be because police have been found to mislead a district judge that all such applications be recorded and the other thing is the person unlike most other countries doesn't. sue the police for negligence incompetence recklessness where all judges historically have protected the police for many action and i think the problem may be in light of the fadia operation and and the damage that was done by the police by recklessness and incompetent may finally allow those victims to sue for negligence and be compensated thank you after the break but the cool new film explores the life of jazz icon miles davis. the film's emmy award winning
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welcome back october marks black history month here in the u.k. celebrating revolutionary events and figures in black culture one of the most important of those figures is the artists against apartheid jazz icon miles davis one of the most influential musicians of old time a new film about him has just been released yesterday and explores the legends life from his childhood growing up in a wealthy family you know st louis to his time spent in paris with john paul and kind of so we caught up with the film's emmy award winning director stanley nelson and miles davis is on erin davis in central london and began by asking about making miles davis birth of the cool but one of the things that we that we knew going in
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it was that we wanted it to be kind of a biographer you know of miles you know and we wanted it to be warts and all. that we went in looking at at it as that 1st we got the the kind of goodwill of the family in their permission to go ahead and then we. made a deal with sony music that control so much of his music sold so now we had the music we had the family well let's go the idea of close comes in early on in the film there's a funny line from one of the contributors actually saying that when miles was asked about the blues being something about poverty he just told them you know this wasn't sure. that the issue of claussen jazz in this film why did you well i think you know it's important that miles they get to sing the miles was born rich and then miles you know expected to certain things out of the out of the way he was treated and you know a lot of times you can get it you know miles was also you know very dark skin.
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black man you know in living through the 20th century and so that also becomes part of who miles miles is you know people ask you know why was miles angry well i think you know we kind of show. everyone how political was miles davis i mean he was aware you know he was definitely aware what was happening you know he wasn't the type of person to make statements. you know britain or verbal statements but he would make a statement through his music so he would for instance he would like he joined the sun city project where there they did the collaborative song and they all decided to pull all the artist decided to boycott playing in south africa until they. were done with apartheid and you know he made a statement that way instead of like you know coming out saying i'm against this or you know he made album called to today there to desmond tutu and i'm a man low which was means yes i think it means strength in one of the south african dialects so you know he was he was conscious and aware of these things and civil
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rights and he was a victim of police brutality which you know that happens you know definitely in the state still and around the world i'm sure you know everybody when you saw the family film did you think i mean certainly the way you make the film makes it sound like the united states is so bad for him and of course he's beaten up by the police over that and then he went on air and because paris was had showed him the way life could be different to read racism in the usa it was a tough time i think for every one of color back then and you know. you know i mean the whole incident with the policeman came about because he was standing outside of the club he was playing with his name on the marquee with the with the police if i would object stanley's were genuine previous documentaries tell me about how you. show his time in paris when he's hanging out with true would pick so so will mars go. to paris in 1949 as part of this jazz tour he's never been out of the
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country before he goes there he's hanging out with picasso you know are people people in france are look at jazz as this kind of high art you know in a way you know in the last state and still looked at as kind of low art you know and they look at this hierarchy falls in love with the beautiful singer juliet greco and you know she's in the film and you know today we interview her and you can see that that she still loves him. and her eyes i mean that sense of that kind of an amazing interview and he falls in love there and you know he just falls in love with france and paris and that's happened so many times the african-american artists you know they go over they come overseas and they see that they see a difference they see that there is a different way that you can be treated and it also makes them understand in some strange way how they're treated in the united states because you're used to it used to this kind of treatment that is you go somewhere else like wait
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a minute you know there's another way there's another way and miles sees that and because you have worked on the black panthers documentaries when you came across probably in europe or for how was violated by a white police officer the kind of sure nothing really changed yeah i mean i think that that you know i've done a number of films on the civil rights movement and look things have changed the united states you know they are a lot better than they were but they're not where they need to be i mean that that would be my argument there and you say you don't even have you don't even have the records in the house and i do now. and the record store that you're producing with. how was it living there no one how did you 1st listen to a kind of blue then of the record was in the. in a café i wonder what it was like the immaculate conception ideas. i just knew it and i know and i just i don't remember the 1st time i heard it but i remember the
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1st time i heard like bitches brew i was like i was actually here i think i was in london and i want to work my way through this one and i was just like wow like i get it i get it now noisier fusion stuff yeah i mean i got what people were talking about and i got was where he was coming from at that time you know it's like 2 years before i was born and i was born 71 so 69 i was like just missed it you know but. you know i mean i want to to to work on the catalog and i had to do a deep dive after he passed on and i was like finally ready to do it. you know because i wanted to see how he got on with his bad yeah but we were playing all the stuff that we put on the eighty's we weren't even looking at any of. the stuff we were playing came from 2 to him and decoys your honor at the stuff that i had to really learn about x. i wanted to see how this all got how we how do we get here from you know birth of
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the cool or even the charlie parker days how do we get all the way through elevator the gallows kind of blue sketches in a silent way and then all the quintet the quintet the herbie ron wayne tony quintet like how do we get through all this stuff and to be honest with you saying you know the film actually does a great job of illustrating you know presenting all that did he ever talk about what he thought of when the quintet broke up would you talk about what he thought of john coltrane's later solo work not to me i mean he you know he the only thing he would talk about with as far as the older musicians were just funny stories like you know. i love telling bird stories you know like you know max roach burton like you know probably i'm burning. as i can't really repeat all these stories but you know he's the same maxed out bird fly. and he did it with the birds
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. because it's so funny when i know you're saying you love that later stuff in the eighty's when one of you who contributed says what is soul is noisy music that you do say pave the way partly for hip hop and a whole different type of music today it's so funny when he goes why this isn't the only car you made. you think that we need to be doing in saying why did you make all that and he's dressing differently way further what's interesting is in talking to people you know like gary and you know who are younger at that point i mean that's their touch point is you know is big. brewin and on from there they you know love it and you know that's that was their intro to miles which is really interesting and if he became actually around the bitches brew time explicitly more political with the album title is referring to the british and american backed racist regime in south africa you. talk about in the film miles
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davis's idea about the pictorial representations of how jazz should be seen a white woman on the cover of one of the records yeah yeah i mean you know i think that that one of the things that we had in the film that we actually kind of we cut it down was the fact that they had all these albums in the fifty's by you know african-american musicians would have anything on the cover except an african-american musician so they might have a white woman they might have a tree you know a bar of soap you know. except a black person cover because they felt like it was a black was on the cover so nobody would buy the album so you know and miles a great story where you know he comes out with miles ahead and there's a white woman on the cover and you know and i'm not sure i could say there's a lot on t.v. but you know miles has reaction you know to do that and he then has. changed the cover of the next pretty pressing to have miles on the cover and he
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goes on to have you know black women on the covers and you think i want to play the addictions and so on they they put him in touch with the working class in the united states which people of his wealth might not have and somehow that's in the music the addictions no i don't think the dixons put him have no that's enabled this deal or no i don't i don't think the addictions had a need to do with miles being in touch with working class miles was an icon in miles miles said the black folks in general you know that that you can demand the best you know you can demand you know the best. miles you know we had tailored suits monstro ferrari's miles lived in a townhouse you know on the west side miles had beautiful women miles you know so i have a close aspiration miles was a capitalist yeah i mean i think they were miles felt they were as we all feel you know whether whether we're you know world virtually capitalists or not we want to
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be paid for our work and we want to you know and we're living in a capitalist system so you know there are a few people who are successful in a capitalist system who say you know no no no no no i you know i don't want the money but miles and miles and miles also raised the bar for other musicians you know because he would demand certain things that other musicians could then demand you know like b. if you play 2 sets at a club the year paid for each set you know that if you travel you want to travel the best class that you can you want to stay in the eyes of the tells you know you want to be paid in advance you know because people don't understand that for so many jazz musicians throughout time i really do know they you know and at the end of the at the end of the game you know the promoter would come to the club owner would come in and say you know we didn't really make as much money as we thought we were going to make american to be able to pay you what i supposed to be and what could you do you know except get into a fight you have shorts of the more intro is it where he does the 1st time for ages
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sketches spam but i don't know whether you were there all the other or i mean everybody goes back to entering the records were in the house to never play that live again did it surprise you the directors of whatever any footage of you. know i mean i you know we kind of not mean that we go knew the miles davis never never looked back you know the miles davis it was it was always going forward and there's the great line in the film where into macy's the concert you know of. sketches of spain you know and he said and this is miles you know going back and he says he's sick you know i know he's sick because he would never go back you know he was in good health and wanted he think of all the adulation from people like prince who features in the film as well or they think they were i mean did they you they were very close i mean they they loved each other you know he. i think they saw each other as kindred spirits and they were you know would love to get together when they could and you know i know prince would send us tapes all the time when
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there are tapes he would send us tapes all the time of stuff that he was that he thought would be good for miles and you know they just had a great relationship of the really sad it really seemed to change and changes in the film to where suddenly he's on television and he's doing every interview on u.s. television before you just see the great stills of him and the birth of cool idea of him i mean you know i think he like to. he realized that he could reach a lot of people and people wanted to talk to him and i think he was getting to that point is i present i can i can talk now i can talk you know i think you also have to look at in the context of miles coming out of that hiatus where he didn't pick pick up his trumpet as he says for 4 years he doesn't play you know and now and something happened in his head where he comes back and he's just like relishing the attention he's going for it he's de becomes a different man he's going to do in interviews and on talk shows all of this and
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you know i think part of that comes from you know you know going down as deep as dark as you can go and then coming out of it into the light and saying you know a you know it's not so bad being famous being the coolest man on earth. something else in there and it was thank you thank you thank someone's director stanley nelson miles davis on air in speaking to me there in central and of the film is out now that's it for this show will be back on wednesday 46 years to the day that satire allegedly died when henry kissinger got the nobel peace prize until then he was just my social media subscriber white. guys are financial survival. and you're just. well read you some of our. that's undercutting about what's good for the market
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