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tv   Going Underground  RT  October 14, 2019 8:30am-9:01am EDT

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very live in a constitutional no man's land where you know very well we don't have a written constitution why not where the country that gave the world the english language shakespeare and we were incapable apparently of writing down and goes deeper because you know in the sixty's when we gave independence to all these other former colonies we gave them our constitution we wrote it down here said here is the westminster constitution ad so it may have the way they have it every day yeah but you know very well that if we don't what business is it of the judges of the supreme court to overrule a democratically elected someone's business to uphold democracy in the rule of law and as it happens that falls into democracy to be legal to the judicial branch and it's for the judges to make sure all the government used to be the king
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now the government keeps to the law now there's a lot of press about diplomatic immunity case i want to get onto that in a 2nd but i know you would. for a while perhaps you can't talk about it but there have been revelations that you are bugged on well i haven't read those reparations i will of course say julian is in jail with a lot of islamic terrorists and belmarsh prison likely to remain for a couple of years while his extradition case goes through so. his fate will depend on the british government or the british government as it is in a couple of years time maybe but i think the conservatives would be happy to extradite him it may be that mr coburn's government would not ok but i mean you have such a little illustrious history. of human rights cases have you ever previously been
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bugged by the cia as you read talking to cloud i suspect i've been bugged by the russians by the americans by the us. i suspect that the role of an independent lawyer acting in cases where dissidents are up against the state is very often to have been but i mean when i did the a.b.c. case back in the seventy's which was a famous case involving these court. bases that have in fact. these muties which we're currently seeing being played out in the wife of a cia officer who ran over a boy and killed him and is claiming immunity but these bases with. their real function was revealed by 2 time out journalists back in the seventy's who were immediately prosecuted for up to 30 years imprisonment on
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the official secrets act and it was then they were exposed to american bases although they were cold a.f. x. and y. to fool the russians they were in fact full of americans they had a british wing commander who was called the wing commander in charge of sitting in the window not just the diplomats all the u.s. soldiers. but right even their hospital vi want to act for poor fellow who had gone for an operation in the u.s. base hospital in britain and they'd left a twitter girl inside it so of course we sued for negligence. to. the americans under the status of forces like it ok vying for power you see in the tearful parents of harry dunn the british teenager killed we don't know necessarily he was killed by the spy his wife is a big. reported in the present indeed he worked for the cia she was taken back to
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langley virginia which is fairly obvious that he was in fact cia but he was given she was given immunity and it's very wrong morally and it is cowardly to claim unity between 2 good allies i know the grieving parents said it was a waste of time talking to british foreign secretary dominic robb but. he's going to be a poodle to donald trump who president trump of course said there's no way she's going to be from batteries were to have a trump card speech talking to the president where he to point out that these bases a pretty vital to america's security and in fact they were used in 1903 to bomb tripoli after that killing in a berlin discotheque by what he thought was good after his agents and mrs thatcher
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in those days simply quietly said ok if donald trump wants to bomb iran as is former national security adviser john bolton rather did then they would fly from their bases in britain we worry about sovereignty and exit europe but we have these bases in britain that are entirely american well. basically shows we are some kind of a. carrier for the united states brazil is increasingly being seen as a proxy for u.s. foreign policy your client former president lula has been offered the chance of freedom by brazilian prosecutors. why do you think they've carried him why is your client preferred he has not taken it because there are strings attached what has been discovered since. his my view wrongful conviction is that the judge
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who is now mr bowles and rose minister of justice reward was in fact deeply involved in prosecuting the man he was actually trying and what is the merge from whistleblower things do emerge from whistleblowers are a lot of e-mails between the judge and the prosecutor the judge telling the prosecutors what to do if the case comes to court which it may well be seen as a wrongful conviction secured by a biased judge and so he refused to allow a new lawyer to stand for the presidency which he would have won the united nations human rights commission ordered brazil to allow him to stand until his conviction was finalized approved by the supreme court and they refused so how soon do you
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think he'll be free and able to run against both and where there are presidential elections for a couple of years but i'm sure he'll be available when he was president and i hope he will be out of prison i hope he'll be cleared of these ludicrous charges it well the media was said to be a big part of the defamation of your client for president lula in brazil the media here under the spotlight partly because of all the sex crime allegations against conservative politicians that turned out to be complete and utter nonsense what is your role being in trying to. for one of the victims of this extraordinary event it's the worst operation in. history because they came across and facts the man who made the moves. allegations about. you say lou because the deputy leader of the labor party tom
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watson to wary seriously and raise them involved yes i know his reclusiveness trying to maneuver himself to be deputy leader of the labor party at that time and his love of soap publicity does cost a real doubt over him as a credible politician but even worse the priests who took seriously these absurd fantasies of. politicians illustrious head of the army lord bramall proctor a former conservative m.p. cutting up small boy them and then murdering them and the police took this seriously and never investigated mr beach they didn't talk to his mother who could have told them what a lie he was told if you please he said he was taken out from school every couple of days in order to be the head of the army. a quick check of his
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school would have said that was nonsense but they didn't do it we invited president that his goal in the art on the show but she's previously had to apologize for the killing of demanding of the killing of george alderman is of course in southern and you think she should resign well i think she should consider her position and consider what her role was as for the british people of finally fed up with bungling policeman the fact that scotland yard committed 43 different mistakes in the course of a few weeks is has been revealed by a high court judge and costs a very real question over the competence of scotland yard i think there are 2 reforms that may come about firstly if the achilles heel of civil liberties in. is the fact that police can go to
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a magistrate some form of. justice and get a rubber stamp on a search warrant that can destroy. people reputation and that. there is no record made of what the police say to the magistrate to get a walk i think the 1st reform has to be because now police have been found to mislead a district judge that all such applications be recorded and the other thing is the person unlike most other countries doesn't. sue the police for negligence incompetence recklessness where our judges historically have protected the police for many action and i think the problem may be in light of the fadia operation and and the damage that was done by the police by
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recklessness and incompetent may finally allow those victims to sue for negligence and be compensated thank you after the break. the new film exposed. miles davis. award winning director. housing. oh you mean there's a downside to artificially low mortgage. guys report.
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the 3 of petitions to toast in the spring to snap them up when you look at us the girls are with you serious supporters to your machine station shouldn't for you should cook door for the one who's devoted to the impulse to. welcome back october marks black history month here in the u.k. celebrating revolutionary events and figures in black culture one of the most important of those figures is the artists against apartheid jazz icon miles davis one of the most influential musicians of all time a new film about him is just been released yesterday and explores the legends life from his child. growing up in
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a wealthy family near st louis to his time spent in paris with john paul and we caught up with the film's emmy award winning director stanley nelson and miles davis is on erin davis in central london and began by asking about making miles davis' birth of cool well one of the things that we that we knew going in it was that we wanted it to be kind of a biography of miles you know and we wanted it to be warts and all. we went in looking at at it as they had 1st we got the kind of good will of the family in their permission to go ahead and then we. made a deal with sony music that control so much of his music so now we had the music we had the family and let's go the idea of close comes in early on in the film there's a funny line from one of the contributors actually saying that when. the blues being something about poverty he just told them. that the
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issue of clothes and jazz in this film why did you well i think it's important that miles they get to sing the miles was born rich and then miles you know expected to certain things out of the out of the way he was treated and you know a lot of times you can get it you know miles was also you know a very dark skinned black man you know in living through the 20th century and so that also becomes part of who miles miles is you know people ask you know why was miles angry well i think you know we kind of show you where i ever had a political was miles davis i mean he was aware you know he was definitely aware what was happening you know he wasn't the type of person to make statements. you know britain or verbal statements but he would make a statement through his music so he would for instance he would lie he joined the sun city project where there they did the collaborative song and they all the started to pull all the artist decided to boycott playing in south africa so they.
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we're done with apartheid and you know he made a statement that way instead of like you know come on say i am against this or you know he made album called to today there to desmond tutu and i'm a man means yes i think it means strength and one of the south african dialects so you know he was it was conscious and aware of these things and civil rights and he was a victim of police brutality which you know that happens you know definitely in the state still and around the world i'm sure you know every day when you saw the family film did you think i mean certainly the way you make the film makes the united states is so bad for him and of course he's beaten up by the police over there he went on air and because paris was had showed him the way life could be different to racism in the usa it was a tough time they were for every one of color back then and you know. you know i mean the whole incident with the policeman came about because he was standing
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outside of the club was playing with his name on the marquee with the with the police if i would object stanley is returned to any previous documentaries tell me about how you. show his time in paris when he's. so so well mars goes to paris in 1909 is part of this jazz tour he's never been out of the country before he goes there he's hanging out with because so you know people people in france are look at jazz as this kind of a high art you know in a way you know in the united states and still looked at as this kind of low art you know and they look at this hierarchy falls in love with the beautiful singer julie had greco and you know she's in the film and you know today we interview her and you can see that that she still loves him it's in our eyes i mean it's such a that kind of an amazing interview and he falls in love there and you know he just falls in love with france and paris and that's happened so many. times
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african-american artists you know they go over they come overseas and they see they see a difference they see that there is a different way that you can be treated and it also makes them understand in some strange way how they're treated in the united states because you're used to it used to this kind of treatment this is you go somewhere else like wait a minute you know there's another way there's another way and miles sees that and because you have worked on the black panthers documentaries when you came across probably before how was violated by a white police officer. the kind of sure nothing really changed yeah i mean i think that that you know i've done a number of films on the civil rights movement and the little things have changed the united states you know they are a lot better than they were but they're not where they need to be everything that that would be my argument and you say you don't even have you don't even have the records in the house and i do now. on the record store that you're producing
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but. how was it living there know how did you 1st listen to a kind of blue then of the record was in the. in a cafe i wonder what it was like the immaculate conception i just i just knew it and i don't know and i just i don't remember the 1st summer but i remember the 1st time i heard like bitches brew i was like i was actually here i think it was in london and ok i'm going to work my way through this one and i was just like wow like i get it i get it now noisier fusion stuff yeah i mean i thought what people were were talking about and i got was where he was coming from at that time that's like 2 years before i was born and i was born 71 so 69 i was like just missed it you know but. you know i mean when i went to to to to work on a catalog i had to do a deep dive after he passed on and i was like finally ready to do it. you know
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because i wanted to see how he got on with his bad yeah but we were playing all the stuff that we put on the eighty's we weren't even looking at any of. the stuff we were playing came from 2 to him and decoys your honor at the stuff that i had to really learn about x. i wanted to see how this all got how we how do we get here from you know birth of the cool or even the charlie parker days how do we get all the way through elevator the gallows kind of blue sketches in a silent way and then all the quintet the quintet the herbie ron wayne tony quintet like how do we get through all this stuff and to be honest with you know the film actually does a great job of illustrating you know presenting all that he ever talk about what he thought of when the quintet broke up would you talk about what he thought of john coltrane's later solo work not to me i mean he you know he the only thing he would talk about with as far as the older musicians were just funny stories you know.
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i love telling bird stories you know like you know max roach burton like you know probably i'm going to turn again as i can't really repeat all these stories but you know he's the same maxed out bird fly did everything he did everything birds. like because it's so funny when i know you're saying you love that later stuff in the eighty's when one of you who contributed says what is soul is noisy music that you do say paved the way partly for hip hop and whole different type of music today it's so funny when he goes why this is the only car you're making that. you think that we need to be doing and saying why did he make all that and he's dressing differently in a way for what's interesting is in talking to people you know like gary and you know who are younger at that point i mean that's their touch point is you know is big. brewin and on from there they you know love it and you know that's that was
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their intro to miles which is really interesting and if you need became actually around the bitches brew time explicitly more political with the album titles referring to the british and american backed races regime in south africa you. talk about in the film miles davis's idea about the pictorial representations of how jazz should be seen a white woman on the cover one of the records yeah yeah i mean you know i think that that one of the things that we had in the film that we actually kind of we cut it down was the fact that they had all these albums in the fifty's by you know african-american musicians would have anything on the cover except an african-american musician so they might have a white woman they might have a tree you know bar soap you know. except a black. cover because they felt like it was a black was of a cover so nobody would buy the album so you know and miles
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a great story where you know he comes out with miles ahead and there's a white woman on the cover and you know and that's where i could say there's a lot on t.v. but you know miles has reaction you know to do that and he then has. changed the cover of the next pretty pressing to have miles on the cover and he goes on to have you know black women on the covers and you think i want to play the addictions and so on they they put him in touch with the working class in the united states which people of his wealth well known him and some others in the music the addictions no i don't think the dixons put him have no that's enabled this deal or you know i don't i don't think the dixons had a need to do with miles being in touch with a working class of miles an icon in miles miles said the black folks in general you know that that you can demand the best you know you can demand you know the best. miles you know we had tailored suits moms drove ferrari's miles lived in
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a townhouse you know on the west side miles had beautiful women miles you know i have been rishon miles was a capitalist yeah i mean i think they were miles felt that way as we all feel you know whether whether we're you know world virtually capitalist or not we want to be paid for our work and we want to you know and we're living in a capitalist system so you know there are a few people who are successful in capitalist system who say you know no no no no no i you know i don't want the money but miles and miles and miles also raise the bar for other musicians you know because he would demand certain things that other musicians could then demand you know like b. if you play 2 sets at a club the. winter of that program to cross live to riyadh where the russian president is for a state visit we can listen in now to statements that are being made in these
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council. during the talks we are. well on the main aspects of all cooperation we will be outlining the plans for the future will exchange of opinions on globally shoes saudi arabia next year will be presiding over the g. 20 group of countries that. plays an important role in settling major economic issues. during the summit in a soccer in june we had a very good conversation with. him on among other things we agreed to promote our corporations when it comes to the oil prices in the markets. we believe that our cooperation is a key element to stability.
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i mean it is also important for insurance ability in the region. and i hope that our today's meeting will give an additional impetus here our relations. with we are planning to side a number of documents which will be implemented later on and i hope to sign them during this very good visit thank you for your attention. going to record that i'm going to be good thank you very much i hope that this result will be very productive protected. and with the help of the guard. we will continue this cooperation between our countries so bilateral ties said between the
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russian federation and the kingdom saudi arabia. as a matter of scale of progress. and we can see the regression to the ration as our friend and i are regarding the opportunity of. increasing the scale of this cooperation on all the. levels of our bilateral ties and relations. particularly given the fact that we now. already. are having these positive discussion about the different aspects of business into asia and the. region and also we'll discuss the strategic visions told arabia for. we've been listening in to talks between one amir putin and the king of saudi arabia is of course currently in saudi arabia for 1st state visit since 2007 putin was
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talking about the fact that they were going to have long talks to die today and outline plans for the future on how the 2 countries can cooperate president putin is in the saudi capital on a rare state visit that is the 1st in over a decade and he's expected to sign deals worth over $2000000000.00 while he's there putin was welcomed by the saudi leader at the palace where talks are expected to range from economic cooperation to the situation in the middle east including syria and iran this marks the return of king solomon's visit to moscow back in 2017. takes us through what to expect.
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saudi arabia and russia is a remarkable example of how 2 countries could be great partners or friends and foes at the same time everything that riyadh gets itself involved in and the middle east be it about iran or syria gets full support from washington and you do realize that and all these cases russia is on the different side of the barricade. but when the russian leader in the saudi crown prince get along so well in person by the way they are the authors of probably the most famous high profile high 5 in the world the chances that the dialogue could work will always be very high.
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i have very good relations with both the king and the crown prince we have been making good headway practically and. surely we do have to bear in mind that the 2 countries are the world's largest oil producers are their competitors you know in this case most likely opec plus partners so all kinds of oil and gas and issues related to the energy sector are on the agenda especially after the drone attack from last month on one of saudi arabia's most important oil refineries which the country's output by almost a half. almost put the region on the brink of a real crisis.

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