leg. length. time after time say we're going underground as the british queen opens a polymer that's already been unlawfully shut down by minority government leader

boris johnson as he seeks to bypass legal obligations and leave the european union in 1000 days time coming out of the show was world renowned human rights watch geoffrey robertson q.c. bugged by the cia in london we ask him what's legal and what's illegal when it comes to boris johnson lula u.s. diplomat scotland yard and your innocence in u.k. black history month going underground speaks of the son of miles davis one of the greatest jazz artists of all time all the small growing up and today's going underground on the day of what u.k. labor leader jeremy corbyn goals are fos the state opening of the british parliament by the queen joining me is one of the world's top human rights was geoffrey robinson q.c. a founder of daddy street chambers jeffrey welcome back to going undergrads are reports of the queen seeking advice on sacking boris johnson intimations routinely in the press the johnson wants to unlawfully avoid sending a letter to the european union your queen's councillors the queen consulted you about 2nd birth as my obligations as a queen's counsel to advise the queen whenever i must free of charge.

and i have not not yet. i have advised daughter in law wants but not the queen she needs a lot of advice because there are a lot of case about the british constitution of which she is the nominal guardian we talk about our. constitution you know the only 2 countries in the world that don't have a written constitution a great britain and saudi arabia and in saudi arabia they don't have a supreme court that is capable of holding the ruler the government to account i think we can be proud of the fact that our supreme court did stop the government from getting rid of parliament for 5 weeks that was an outrage and of course it was

the supreme court who protected parliamentary democracy so i guess we don't know whether we live in a parliamentary democracy or goals judicial morning but you know very little constitutional no man's land where you know very well we don't have a written constitution why not where the country that gave the world the english language shakespeare and we are incapable apparently of writing down and goes deeper because you know in the sixty's when we gave independence to all these other former colonies we gave them our constitution we wrote it down here said here is the westminster constitution. so it may have the way they have it every day yeah but you know very well that if we don't what business is it of the judges of the supreme court to overrule a democratically elected someone's business to uphold democracy in the rule of law and as it happens that falls in

a democracy to be legal to. branch and it's for the judges to make sure all the government used to be the king now the government keeps to good law now there's a lot of press about diplomatic immunity case i want to get to that in a 2nd but i know you would. for a while perhaps you can't talk about it but there have been revelations that you are bugged on what i haven't read the ripple asians i will of course julian. in jail with a lot of islamic terrorists and belmarsh prison likely to remain for a couple of years while his extradition case goes through so. his fate will depend on the british government or the british government as it is in a couple of years time maybe but i think the conservatives would be happy to extradite

him it may be that mr coburn's government would not ok but i mean you have such an illustrious history of human rights cases have you ever previously been bugged by the cia as you read talking to cloud i suspect i've been bugged by the russians by the americans by the australians i suspect that the row of an independent lawyer acting in cases where dissidents are up against the state is very often to have been blocked i mean when i did the a.b.c. case back in the seventy's which was a famous case involving these court. cases that have in fact. these muties which we're currently seeing being played out in the wife of a cia officer who ran over a boy and killed him and is claiming immunity but these bases

with. their real function. was revealed by 2 time out journalists back in the seventy's who were immediately prosecuted for up to 30 years imprisonment on the official secrets act and it was then they were exposed to american bases although they were cold a.f. x. and y. to food the russians they were in fact full of americans they had a british wing commander who was called the wing commander in charge of sitting in the window as the diplomats it's all the us soldiers. right even their hospitals i want to active for poor fellow who had gone for an operation and a us base hospital in britain and they'd left a twitter girl inside it so of course we sued for negligence. to sue the americans under the status of. power you see in the tearful parents of harry dunn

the british teenager killed we don't know necessarily he was killed by the spy his wife has been reported in the present indeed he worked for the cia she was taken back to langley virginia which is fairly obvious that he was in fact cia but he was given she was given immunity and it's very wrong morally and it is cowardly to claim immunity between 2 good allies i know the grieving parents said it was a waste of time talking to british foreign secretary dominic. but. he's going to be a poodle to donald trump who president trump of course said there's no way she's wearing i've come back to have a trump card speaking talking to the president where he to point out that these bases a pretty vital to america's security and in fact they were used in 1904 by ronald

reagan to bomb. in tripoli that killing in a berlin discotheque by what he thought was good after his agents mrs thatcher in those days simply quietly said ok if donald trump wants to bomb iran as is former national security adviser john bolton rather did then they would fly from their bases in britain we worry about sovereignty and exit europe but we have these bases in britain are entirely american well. basically shows we have some kind of. carrier for the united states brazil is increasingly being seen as a proxy for u.s. foreign policy your client former president has been offered the chance of freedom by brazilian prosecutors. why do you think they've. not taken it because there are

strings attached what has been discovered since his my view wrongful conviction is that the judge who is now mr bowles rose minister of justice reward was in fact deeply involved in prosecuting the man he was actually try and watch as the from whistleblower things do emerge from whistleblowers a lot of e-mails between the judge and the prosecutor the judge telling the prosecutors what to do if the case comes to court which it may well be seen as a wrongful conviction secured by a biased judge and say refused to allow you to stand for the presidency which he would have won the united nations human rights commission

ordered brazil to allow him to stand until he is can be. was finalized approved by the supreme court and they refused so how soon do you think he'll be free and able to run against both and where there are presidential elections for a couple of years but i'm sure he'll be available when he was president and i hope he would be out of prison i hope he'll be cleared of these ludicrous charges well the media was said to be a big part of the defamation of your client for president lula in brazil the media here under the spotlight partly because of all the sex crime allegations against conservative politicians that turned out to be complete and utter nonsense what is your role being in trying to. for one of the victims of this extraordinary event it's the worst operation in. history

because they came across an artifact ixus the man who made the moves. and legations about you say lou because the deputy leader of the labor party tom watson to where he seriously and raise them in bali yes i know his reclusiveness trying to maneuver himself to be deputy leader of the labor party at that time and his love of self. does cost a real doubt over him as a credible politician but even worse the police who took seriously these absurd fantasies of spying masters politicians illustrious head of the army lord bramall proctor a former conservative m.p. cutting up small boy. and then murdering them and the police took this seriously and never investigated mr beach they didn't talk to his mother

who could have told them what a lie he was not. if you please he said he was taken out from school every couple of days in order to be by the head of the army. a quick check of his school would have said that was nonsense but they didn't do it we invited president that his goal in the art on the show but she's previously had to apologize for the killing of demanding of the killing of george alderman is of course in southern or do you think she should resign well i think she should consider her position and consider what her role was as for the british people of finally fed up with bungling policeman the fact that scotland yard committed 43 different mistakes in the course of a few weeks is has been revealed by a high court judge and costs a very real question over the competence of scotland yard i think there are 2

reforms that may come about firstly if the achilles heel of civil liberties in britain is the fact that police can go to a lady magistrate or a some form of blick spittle justice and get a rubber stamp on a search warrant that can destroy a home people reputation and that's done entirely in secret there is no recording made of what the police say to the magistrate to get a warrant so i think the 1st reform has to be because now police have been found to mislead a district judge that all such applications be recorded and the other thing is the britain unlike most other about countries doesn't allow you to sue the police for negligence incompetence recklessness where our judges historically have

protected the police for many action and i think. the parliament may be in light of the fadia operation and and the damage that was done by the police by recklessness and incompetent may finally allow those victims to sue for negligence and be compensated thank you after the break but the cool new film explores the life of jazz icon miles davis we speak to the film's emmy award winning director stanley nelson also more coming up about joe going to go. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics or business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then.

welcome back october marks black history month here in the u.k. celebrating revolutionary events and figures in black culture one of the most important of those figures is the artist's against apartheid jazz icon miles davis one of the most influential musicians of all time a new film about him has just been released yesterday and explores the legends life from his childhood growing up in a wealthy family near st louis to his time spent in paris with john paul and so we caught up with the film's emmy award winning director stanley nelson and miles davis erin davis in central london and began by asking about making miles davis' birth of the cool well one of the things that we that we knew going in it was that we wanted it to be kind of a biography of miles you know and we wanted it to be warts and all. that we went in

. looking and at it as they had 1st we got the kind of goodwill of the family and their permission to go ahead and then we. made a deal with sony music that control so much of his music so now we had the music we had the family well let's go the idea of close comes in early on in the film there's a funny line from one of the contributors actually saying that when. the blues being something about poverty he just told them it was sure. the issue of clothes and jazz in this film why did you well i think you know it's important that miles they get to sing the miles was born rich and then miles you know expected to certain things out of the out of the way he was treated and you know a lot of times you can get it you know miles was also you know very dark skinned black man you know in living through the 20th century and so that also becomes part

of who miles miles is you know people ask you know why was myles angry well i think you know we kind of show. everyone how political was miles davis i mean he was aware you know he was definitely aware what was happening you know he wasn't the type of person to make statements. you know britain or verbal statements but he would make a statement through his music so he would for instance he would like he joined the sun city project where there they did the collaborative song and they all decided to pull all the artist decided to boycott playing in south africa until they. were done with apartheid and you know he made a statement that way instead of you know coming out saying i am against this or you know he made album called to today there to desmond tutu and i'm a man which was means as i think it means strength and one of the south african dialects so you know he was he was conscious and aware of these things and civil rights and he was a victim of police brutality which you know that happens you know definitely in the

state still and around the world. i'm sure you know every day when you saw the venezuelan did you think i mean senator the way you make the film makes it sound like the united states is so bad for him and of course he's beaten up by the police over that he went on air and because paris was had shown him the way life could be different for a racism of the usa it was a tough time i think for for everyone of color back then and you know. you know i mean the whole incident with the policeman came about because he was standing outside of the club was playing with his name on the marquee with the birthplace if i would object stanley has returned to any previous documentaries tell me about how you. show his time in paris when he's. with picasso so well mars goes to paris in 1909 is part of this jazz tour he's never been out of the country before he goes there he's hanging out with because so you

know our people people in france are look at jazz as this kind of high art you know in a way you know in the united states and still looked at as this kind of low art you know and the look in this hierarchy falls in love with the beautiful singer julie had greco and you know she's in the film and you know today we interview her and you can see that that she still loves him. and her eyes i mean the sense of that kind of an amazing interview and he falls in love there and you know he just falls in love with france and paris and that's happened so many times the african-american artists you know they go over they come overseas and they see that they see a difference they see that there is a different way that you can be treated and it also makes them understand in some strange way how they're treated in the united states because you're used to it used to this kind of treatment as you go somewhere else like wait a minute you know there's another way there's another way and miles sees that and

because you have worked on the black panthers documentaries. when you came across probably near it before how was violated by a white police officer. the kind of sure nothing really changed yeah i mean i think that you know i've done a number of films on the civil rights movement and the little things have changed the united states you know they are a lot better than they were but they're not where they need to be i mean that that would be my argument and you say you don't even have you don't even have the records in the house and i do now. on the record store that you're producing but. how was it living there know how do you listen to a kind of blue then if the record was in the. in a cafe i want to read one of them was like the immaculate conception i just i just knew it and i don't know and i just i don't remember the 1st time i heard it but i remember the 1st time i heard like bitches brew i was like i was actually here i

think i was in london and as i came to work my way through this one and i was just like wow like i get it i get it now noisier fusion stuff yeah i mean i thought what people would were talking about and i got what where he was coming from at that time you know it's like 2 years before i was born and i was born 71 so 69 i was like just missed it you know but. you know i mean i want to to to to work on his catalog and i had to do a deep dive after he passed on and i was like finally ready to do it. you know because i wanted to see how he got on with them in his bad yeah but we were playing all the stuff that we put on the eighty's we weren't even looking at any of. the stuff we were playing came from 2 to him and decoys your honor at the stuff that i had to really learn about x. i wanted to see how this all got how we how do we get here from you know birth of the cool or even the charlie parker days how we get all the way through elevator

the gallows kind of blue sketches in a silent way and then all the quintet the quintet the herbie ron wayne tony quintet like how do we get through all this stuff and to be honest with you saying you know the film actually does a great job of illustrating you know presenting all that did he ever talk about what he thought of when the quintet procope would you talk about what he thought of john coltrane's later solo work not to me i mean he you know he the only thing he would talk about with as far as the older musicians were just funny stories of you know. i love telling bird stories you know like you know max roach and burton like you know probably i'm burning us to turn again as i can't really repeat all these stories but you know he's the same maxed out burger flight did everything he did with the birds. because it's so funny when i know you're saying you love

that later stuff in the eighty's when one of you who contributed says what is soul is noisy music that you do say paved the way partly for hip open and whole different type of music today it's so funny when he goes why this innocent early career made. you think that we don't have a deal you say why did he make all that and he's dressing differently in a way for what's interesting is in talking to people you know. like gary and you know who are younger at that point i mean that's their touch point is you know is bitches brew and and on from there they you know love it and you know that's that was their intro to miles which is really interesting and if you became actually around the bitches brew time explicitly more political with the album title is referring to the british and american backed racist regime in south africa you. talk about in the film miles davis's idea about the pictorial representations of

how jazz should be seen a white woman on the cover of one of the records yeah yeah i mean you know i think that that one of the things that we had in the film that we actually kind of we cut it down was the fact that they had all these albums in the fifty's by you know african-american musicians would have anything on the cover except an african-american musician so they might have a white woman they might have a tree you know bars soap you know. except a black. cover because they felt like it was a black was on the cover so nobody would buy the album so you know and miles a great story where you know he comes out with miles ahead. and there's a white woman on the cover and you know it i'm not sure i could say there's a lot on t.v. but you know miles has reaction you know to do that and he then has. changed the cover of the next pretty pressing to have miles on the cover and he

goes on to have you know black women on the covers and you think i want to play the addictions and so on they they put him in touch with the working class in the united states which people of his wealth. and somehow that's in the music the addictions no i don't think the dixons put him have no has enabled this deal or no i don't i don't think the addictions had anything to do with miles being in touch with working class miles was an icon in miles miles said the black folks in general you know that that you can demand the best you know you can demand you know the best that miles you know had tailored suits monstro ferrari's miles lived in a townhouse you know on the west side miles had beautiful women miles you know i have a close aspiration miles was a capitalist yeah i mean i think there were miles felt that way as we all feel you know whether whether we're you know world virtually capitalist or not we want to be paid for our work and we want to you know and we're living in

a capitalist system so you know there are a few people who are successful in capitalist system who say you know no no no no no i you know i don't want the money but miles and miles and miles also raised the bar for other musicians you know because he would demand certain things that other musicians could then demand you know like b. if you play 2 sets at a club the year paid for each set you know that if you travel you want to travel in the best class that you can you want to stay in the eyes of the tells you know you want to be paid in advance you know because people don't understand that for so many jazz musicians throughout time i really do know they you know that at the end of the at the end of the game you know the. moto would come to the club or would come in and say you know we didn't really make as much money as we thought we were going to make i'm not going to be able to pay you what i supposed to be and what could you do you know except get into a fight you have shorts of the more intro is it where he does the 1st time for ages sketches spam but i don't know whether you were there all that out there for that

one i mean it when it goes back to entering the records word in the house to never play that live again did it surprise you as a director to know what any footage of you. know i mean i you know we kind of not mean that we go knew that miles davis never never looked back you know the miles davis it was it was always going forward and there's the great line in the film where into macy's the concert you know of. sketches of spain you know and he said that he smiles you know going back and he says he's sick you know i know he's sick because he would never go back you know he was in good health i want to be and i think of all the adulation from people like prince who features in the film as well or they think they were i mean did they they were very close i mean they they loved each other you know he. i mean they saw each other as kindred spirits and they were you know would love to get together when they could and you know i know prince would send us tapes all the time when there are tapes that he

would send us tape all the time of stuff that he was that he thought would be good for mild and you know they just had a great relationship of the really sad it really seemed to change a change in the film to where suddenly he's on television and he's doing every interview on u.s. television before you just see the great stills of him and the birth of cool idea of him i mean you know i think he like to. he realized that he could reach a lot of people and people wanted to talk to him and i think he was getting to that point is i present i can i can talk now i can talk you know i think you also have to look at in the context of miles coming out of that hiatus where he didn't pick pick up his trumpet as he says for 4 years he doesn't play you know and now and something happened in his head where he comes back and he's just like relishing the attention he's going for he's day becomes a different man he's going to do in interviews and on talk shows all of this and you know i think part of that comes from you know you know going down as deep as

dark as you can go and then coming out of it into the light and saying you know you know it's not so bad being famous being the coolest man on earth. something else in their endeavors thank you thank you thanks so much director stanley nelson miles davis his son aaron speaking to be there in central out of the film is out now that's it for this show will be back on wednesday 46 years to the day that satire allegedly died when henry kissinger got the nobel peace prize if you like you just by social media and subscribe to white. guys or financial survival. now well read you some lower. that's undercutting but what's good for market it's not good for the global economy.

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