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a low and a welcome across time for all things we consider i'm peter lavelle nato versus nato washington in ankara at cross purposes in syria what's next for the alliance also trump will be impeached what does this mean for american foreign policy. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow glenn these and he is a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia also we have exhibit moreau he's the founder of the center of political strategic analysis trouble and we're joined by

dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst and editor at me internet media project origin across the uk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it. let's talk about top of the news right here we have 2 nato countries at odds in a 3rd country where neither one of them should be there under international law now damascus having all but one this conflict this international proxy war they must have some kind of morbid sense of humor watching 2 hour 2 allied countries in the same military alliance at odds with each other the president the united states is telling the president of turkey if you go over certain lines which we don't know what they are they can face devastating saying sions again what's going on in nato . well trump's rhetoric we should always be a bit cautious with you similar well he has told his his treasury department you know prepare for it would also told north korea they should expect fire and theory about you know

a few weeks later expressing you know how they fell in love so it is you know it does go a bit back and forth now but it is interesting with nato the united states and nato versus nato because at the moment we have turkey wanting to have self according to this emerging multiple of distribution of power which means they don't necessarily want to only align with with the u.s. or russia or or iran or china and when they want to be a little bit can you can you play that game with the need to win out there would be one that would be unique and i think nato would have to be because nato throughout the bipolar and unipolarity nato us man to ally. with the united states you know you're fall in line i think at the moment we're going to have to accept a bit more deviations because turkey whirls it demands to pursue it again turkey 1st so there's a national interest to me like a little bit pregnant it's not going to. particularly because

it's on the military aryans with members of different enemies for instance or for the french people the enemy is people killing in the streets of paris for the pollen for the polish the enemy is supposed to be russia as well for the for the greeks for the greek. and for the government the enemy is the curator so it's not a military alliance to be to be honest it's a political audience it's a way with using used by washington to control to politically military reside the they really get down to the 2nd most powerful military in need which is to and they don't want to play. the same tune then. there's something going on in the alliance here glenn thinks it can it out i don't think you can. just add to some past here it's not just 2 members of the same alliance these are 2 countries

that tried to destroy the syrian government just recently you know and i got a call do you have a line from the washington post from 2012 when turkish fighter jet was dulled by the syrian air force. one syria against approaching the border with turkey draws defiance for a market so at the moment nato was all on the side of turkey. they said stupid things like syria may make an aggression against to syria which was in the red just over civil war you know a country blinded by the by the walk brought from old sight they expected it to and who is now who is now taking that cooks who are the bad dates free syrian army know the turks have renamed the cream national on the just read the papers you know make it internet search of new york times and the washington post they were

the movie guys for the free syrian army looking anywhere to happen here again when we look at the the us in turkey and with each other in syria it's still a. self-defense ok you come it's mutual defense what happens what happens if something happens and they in the syria gets involved in this parley here are they going to invoke article 5 do you think any other member of nato is going to come to turkey's aid that's what i mean it's not going to change it's either one way or another well you could argue that this is to some extent an evidence that they have reached a bit of a compromise. to talk about america withdrawing but they haven't actually withdrawn from syria they're just pulling out and opening up for a turkish invasion or this article didn't want us to stop words were words have meaning and from the perspective of syria it is an invasion use the word right now i would agree that they are entering a foreign territory that isn't an invasion no one invited them so but obviously the

americans gave while on the trump of this green light. green light so pulling back so the turks who come in so it looks like there is some attempts to to harmonize their interests and it will clearly. just be clear a minute can you keep it under control everything about the syrian conflict. started there were ever and you know the turks have crossed the border then they support the rebellion not only the turks but the united states the european union everyone and also the want that vandy the terrorists are going to threaten these countries and indeed you know in turkey there were several more terrorist attacks in 2015 so. god is seen turkey's fate in the terrorist danger he is not so far from the truth you know hundreds of somebody but. here is danger. to the point is we needed the issue to fight against isis or to fight against

islamist it's because we don't want to send some in front of the. we send some support. from from special forces but as long as the west want to continue i'm sorry in very least words they need to use in infantry and the problem in the in the western narrative. people we're supposed to arise again. and what is this point is that there are people are. we need an infantry to fight the monsters we created i mean the islamists on the west although it's on the east and this time we needed the issue in front of me to be and to be honest and the point is any serious expert 4 years ago when we started to work with these people everybody perfectly knew that some knowledge. for countries that these people inside we agree to this truism as they used to do the last 3 so there is no

surprise and i'm going to get well again. only to quote quote unquote abandoning the turks know the turks made a bad historical decision again damage ok well i mean i would remind you. that basically is who started the whole war this is the point that trump made which made all that mass media all the mainstream media angry but you said this is all because of obama well yes because of course start the war in 20112012 of course not only obama it was also the european union but remember nouri al maliki at that that the iraqi prime minister he said the war would speak to iraq you know there is for mr operated on also in iraq and the american media was dismissive of him he is a car what he is are sort of stooge when the ice is started book the region in syria and in iraq and they know about apologized you know they never agreed that

basically what i also said that there is that they can other countries was true what nobody had money that was spinning or were to iraq was strong and now you know i don't cotton to you there was the cooks and the syrians syrians to continue all the crowd casualties in that previous fight against the kind of fight why would they do so again after trump abandoned them against the turks and came with the quote the question is here it. is and lands in syria against. the train left the station can the kurds in the syrian government come to terms because over the last couple weeks the number of experts in the decision is split what do you think went well i think the kurds less of an option of this i think there would be if they had more they hear more leverage not too long ago now they have only given given it up so. difficult to predict because it's so many uncertain variables but i do think that the turks and outside the kurds on their greater pressure now to kind

of. closer towards the syrian government. have to abandon the united states because that's the that's it ok and you have to choose well if you start really into the syrian government. guess would hope would. before the mosque is an opera to sit down and the kurds who would be negotiated. through the down agreement of $98.00 i think that would be the main format to resolve this issue so yes i think if that happens the u.s. would have to be squeezed a bit out of it however as i mentioned americans have actually left syrian territory so there might still searching for that mission in syria to exert in my opinion there will be some revenge against a goodish people because look at what happened. in the west use the. fighters to take up city and they completely destroy it and so in my opinion and again which was to happen that the arab living in. or in jena soon as they will see

that the fighters we lived were living it would be it would be about but time for the for the good people and 1000000 people are going to mean that main point for me is that their western narrative fiscal action the kurds are afraid of turkey then they're afraid of us and we've been told all these years that are so these are the worst and now we turn out that kurds are more afraid of turkey which used to be a key element in the west and also want to get us out and you know aragon in 2012 when he was prepared an invasion because of that fight that was don't ever go on said i am not giving weapons to the rebels but i will for all possible support to liberate the syrians from dictatorship and of court and then the west will support if yes he wants to leverage syria from dictatorship and now they're saying arrogantly is a liar are going to dictate that when did he become how will the good thing is that on this program with you gentlemen we have a sense of memory and

a sense of history we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news day with r.t. . seems wrong. to me. to stamp out these days to cancer. and it. equals betrayal. when something find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. you know world of big partisan movies a lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that

mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. welcome back across all things are considered i'm peter lavelle we're discussing some real news. ok let me go back to glenn here and stay with the turkey u.s. syria story here its foreign and military adventures we have learned over the last couple decades they're easy to get started ok the law of unintended consequences are always in play but when you're putting in your troops are not thinking about

what could go wrong what could go wrong for turkey with their ex their escapade in northern syria do they plan to stay or will it's harming their strategy changed over there over the long. long years of this war so i think at the moment their ideal scenario i guess if they could do what they want will would be to cleanse the border regions of turds so innocent irene e.u. member is going to commit ethnic cleansing and no one's going to stop and possibly even repopulated with syrian refugees within their only want to go there yeah no it's well again it's not a well thought through plan you can live very thank you that was the point of the question but i want to be surprised if we would have indies. on this site with an equipment between between. the russian. lover often

has a lot of work ahead and you know i took the. tens tense years ago between affairs and i saw. that there was a really. if you look at the reaction of the russian reaction refused to vote against. the un and if you look at. the take takes. i won't be surprised if there is already an agreement on the. so that there's if you were to use the monopoly game is a as an analogy that's to get out of jail free card. we just heard about russia's possible involvement of that to be putin speaking to arab media all foreign powers should leave syria russia would like to do exactly the same thing it's not an open ended commitment where i think this would be their ideal solution but also russia

pushing for their e.u. 1998 agreement between turkey and syria the question is how is this possible if i'm sorry let's call a spade a spade are going to try to kill us they have our friends they've they spent together syria. and turkish cabinet you know just even to kill during meetings you know in the beginning of the state all the states are called monsters. you know i just can't imagine after everything that they can return to business as usual but the main program. of this is usually i'm a bit you know how do you open hostilities i'll take that any day of the week. but also you know there was a very good article in the american conservative about the u.s. house l.x. by daniel and then let me just quote it very quickly the border issue for you what happens when the u.s. commits to unnecessary and unwinnable wars and gives local partners on reasonable expectations of support and protection well basically this is how acts they get

into a country they don't understand to create in russia or syria and turkey the produce that if you rise up against you know. you're going to get support from these we are the reasons you will walk and then they just retreat and we come out and i think. some of that tragedy let me remind you that no one talked about and i think greenstick convincing in 2015 but ever bites in here were very close to extinction they were in a war speech and the kurds are you know now what they're talking about the courts please. if they want to occurred if it hit him in the face go ahead just do think turkey will have a lot of incentive to be more measured in this military and they should know because well 1st of all the whole region is supportive of this they're all of it having very bad relations with the e.u. and the u.s. over this but possibly more importantly if they go too hard and neglect it will

fail to coordinate and listen a little bit with the syrian government they would not just some problem between our southern end of the month you would also have a problem with russia and iran and if you were. if you want a settlement and other day it's you know you need to talk to moscow and tear on like you this is for my so i think that's the main reason why i've got all have to sit with assad and they have to sort out the kurdish issues problem without. going to. moving there with the beginning no political plan if you remember 5 years ago when they start to we involved politically. peace plan. which works. couldn't agree more that you want to find peace solution in syria the need to talk to russia and clearly if the west wants peace in syria that if you

look i. know the idea that i haven't heard much about that i want to switch gears just real quickly here i don't want to go into them around called american domestic politics but you know it much to my mind donald trump will be impeached he will not be removed but he will be impeached by the democratic congress decide if american foreign policy well again they should call the show on predictability cause it's very difficult to so many variables in there well does anybody want to call him well i think i'll know although that i think probably 3 major areas one will be did they think they're going to isolate the u.s. within i notice this but they're also going to isolate the united states in international affairs and i think from trump you're going to see possibly more brazen foreign policy because he would have he would really need in order to win the election under pietschmann he would need some big win and want to win means does it mean striking a trade deal with. china being a peacemaker or. he can go both ways yes or yes yeah it's very

unpredictable. speech you made 2 days ago something very true we know to discuss any u.s. president. and as long as you know that maybe in 2 months is all the discussion will be published on the on the newspaper so hopefully the democrats know they're destroying the destroying the us foreign policy by you willing to destroy trying to complete this stupid and. there is a very interesting site that if trump to publish the commiseration resiliency it means that he doesn't care of ukraine because in my opinion you. refused to publish any conversation with putin with the chinese or. anything like that to talk about you but from the outside demon from the earth side looking in i mean i

think it's a fair assessment the elegance community is undermining this president and everybody knows that ok i mean if you look at russia again ukraine where it all comes from the intelligence community here so i mean donald trump is a toxic character on the world stage at this point in time i mean in portland is going on with north korea. regarding iran and all these things are own resolve they need to be resolved i agree with agree with glenn i mean he could be the master art of the deal and pull a rabbit out of the hat and be a peacemaker but it looks like the intelligence community and the democrats in the media don't want him to do that well let me be very clear about that i have a strong one for trump but i want him to stay in power simply because he is the 1st president in the last 30 years of u.s. history who did not start a big war yet during the. going to a very loud are very skeptical and some very well i mean the reason why he won't

start that i think. because he's checkmate it you know the united states starts wars when there is a consensus in the lead that they need to attack a certain country that was that case with iraq that was. case with i'm going to stand with libya and in that sense their election in 2016 will stick it will for the united states to destroy the tuition or both sides especially the democrats used a very nasty greeks you know they destroyed the if you're going to learn about more of those. but but drop was checkmate the congress and the media which has enormous but when the united states the didn't want him to become a we you know run if he wanted to start a war in iran iran would be in shambles no they would go with the middle east the same story i'm sure in this situation i would want him to stay not because i like him personally but because the street tension inside us i mean and

it won't be because this is a real world alone you know there's a reason why i don't want that you would be in union to speak with one voice i think it's stupid you know what russia says we want the european union to speak with one voice they will be able to resist the united states not the europe spoke with one voice on that he and the other the political meaning even though he was working with one voice that there is that cleansing in northern syria actually witness what i just want to mention with the trump impeachment is the domestic component is interesting though because this is a massive massive gamble on the democrat side because yes on one hand this might discredit trump enough for you know the american so essentially take a step back saying oh this is too messy we can't work for him again however it can also be seen in a very different way that is trompe position itself he won the election essentially as being this populist leader going against establishment because of the divorce himself too far from the public now since he got elected they tried to take him down with this russia hopes that in the work in the using the use ukraine thing so

it could appear. not to defeating at the ballot box but rather using this a page with the looks like there it looks like to start trying to use various means through legal means if you're a decision to be to me don't listen to me you know what it looks like to me you know. we could look at these forced regime changes around the world particularly since the end of the cold war well regime change that game plan has come to america you know this is what they're having their own my god right now yes. the last 2 3 years are ready because as soon as they looked it started. in the gate against him it failed some months ago after the. collapsing you move minnows report and just want to. get enough of it but it's taken on a momentum of its own i mean i think i've said this before on this program is that you know in russia gate there wasn't much russia but in ukraine gate there's

a lot of ukraine and it is a lot of americans and there's a lot of damage there is going to use it very so use because if you look at. report it's a prosecutor. fired by biden he made a statement to what exactly happened it's very bad for biden well you know the media just isn't interested in that you know i don't know i would like to work ok you know 150 grand a. year perhaps you know to think about oil and gas are going to language don't even at least they're just their eyes but if you guys heard last word of the program here i don't think so my guess here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are d.c. an experiment and remember across cycles.

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