it is very much a moderate i think and his message resonated with the public so is he weak the institutions weak or both or is it just because there's a fringe group out there that's trying to call the shots. the last. in february 2014 demonstrated the weakness of basic institutions of government in ukraine and the absence of any understanding of the concept of rule of law and that has persisted from then on there is lip service to the terms but no deep commitment or understanding of it i would take lightly different tack with respect to the right wing neo nazi element in ukrainian politics it exists it has an outsized influence but i don't think it is really the thing that is preventing change right now i think the thing that is preventing

change in ukraine is the v. weakness of ski and specifically driven by his need to feel loved he wants to be loved by everyone that's but that's not ok that's a personal agenda but that's not a political agenda here exactly my point my point so there is no political agenda my point is what i brought up because he did visibly change ok and now we have we have a lot of mixed language ok i mean he he wants peace with russia he wants some kind of resolution with the donbass he has to pay lip service to you to crimea though it's very i think everyone knows that when we was it pays lip service to it and you know and then you have his western backers that want him to start making decisions to resolve this conflict but he can't he's paralyzed is it him or is it we've already heard it's the institutions that are well i think the main problem is . understanding you know the west misunderstood zillions of these big tree through

reasons was an answer is a big tree where it was the fact that people were tired of the war was also this this division in ukrainian society petrol described very well in his articles in fact ukraine is divided between the west which wants to join the european union and nato and the east which did not change much just by changing the narrative all of that western media if you you know the western media just forgets what do rule 5 or 6 years ago look at their articles they confirm them that the east of ukraine traditionally vaults for a different candidate than that when you look over their president they want they don't want to be a part of russia i mean. some of the eastern regions but they definitely asked professor petro ruled this year they definitely don't want to be a part of a country horsetail to russia and the west just doesn't want to understand it

instead they interpreted events as a victory as again someone young again someone who vote against putin is really terrified of food and should be terrified because the russians will be jealous. of that wonderful man and they will topple putin you know what are we what about the oligarchs we're going to say you know you get ahead of me we're going to talk about corruption here but it's very very interesting because i know you follow media very closely isn't it really interesting that the whole ukraine narrative in western media starts in 2016 nobody wants to go back to the 1014 years old it's as if it didn't even happen exactly and i thought i personally think that what's happening now is something that is understated nobody talks about it in the media is that the oligarchs are really calling the shots in ukraine i don't know how much it has to do with the institutional weakness i. sure that that's

a big part of it but they all the guards they tend to wield a tremendous amount of power that is excessive too to what they should have compared to like the power of the people the vote i don't understand how this could possibly happen and it makes me wonder why zelinsky when he came into power he didn't say ok we're going to are going to clean house we're going to lay down the law we have a mandate from the people to clean up and we're going to stop this funding of the for example battalion which is i don't understand why they're down there i don't know if they're actually integrated into the yes. openly. interesting thing you want to read well. robert mentioned 3 things that contribute to the mainstays of power. the executive which now is the executive in the legislative branch together has precedence power and then there are the institutions of government which exist to

surround the deep state. i don't know if i want to go ok. i don't want to have the army of them the problem is that the institutions are we have always been weak and this goes back to even before ukraine's independence there's never been strong institutions in the sense of being independent in ukraine . then this has been played off by the divisions between east and west of the alternating of power in the political branches but now we have this political branch but we don't have a real leader we don't have a leader because the person and his party don't stand for anything people voted for them not because of anything that they promised or what they said there was no agenda. that there was no historically promised to bring some peace

and everyone who promised you wanted everybody promised but it was an empty push and go broke it was best kind of my question at the end of the last one but if that's what the people want is peace why aren't these leaders why isn't this a let you know it's a weak institutions and you know we can't solution will be executive. leaves the oligarchy to play but the oligarchy are a bunch of stray cats they pull in every direction that they can and it appears from the outside that certain oligarchy have certain levers and certain agendas which are not governmental agendas their personal agendas i don't probably say about certain companies an individual the problem with publisher and that was he was the lead or little dark but that at least offered some direction to the country if not structure and what we have now is the absence of an executive and the oligarchs are rife at play right now so what do you mean democracy for d m o

r i think they have to basically of what we see is completely contrary to all the western narrative because they promised in 2014 that this is the new ukraine there were the same words used which are they using no portion could be so great you know he was brought to power by these poor people that evolution in which by the way policemen were killed and 5 government buildings burned down sometimes together with people inside them and this was not support that was stressed in the western media but there was thing that happened in 2014. right to describe it is articles basically what could be in ukraine before 2014 it was usually used this symbol at donkey sex you know one sack wants to go west the other segments to go east that connection between them is very narrow you know and this is the reason why kuchma and you know which never said yes or no to russia or to the european

union because the moment once they say yes we will west the east was awful and sorry and what happened in february 2014 was that they destroyed the words destroyed this connection the sec which was supposed to go to the west when. to the west and they had a civil war this civil war was not the result of russian intervention or you know everybody and they destroy ringback the west destroy the bottom entry democracy which prevent it these contradiction between east and west from going into developing into a civil war but one would make the argument now is with because i don't think that we want to see a done best whatever term you want to use will ever be have a meaningful role again in ukraine they're going to have to fudge it here was crimea is gone so if we take the analogy of the balance it is forever in one direction right now to the west but if what does it mean to be part of the west we

still have this issue in the bluefin other places like this where it's very right wing here professor before going to break. where will this continued paralysis lead i think that in the not to distant future we're not going to see a new my but we're going to see probably a general rejection by the ukrainian voters of political off already generally chaos in the country and quite possibly a rise and to western sentiment by those who currently want to see when we're going to continue after a short break we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of some real news day.

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it was go back to the good professor. you said right before the break something quite fascinating about the future instability of ukraine considering the status quo elaborate more. well right now as has been mentioned i think there's a dichotomy between those who you're in to see a western. western oriented ukraine and those who i wouldn't call it a pro russian ukraine i would say a truly independent ukraine having an autonomous its own vision of its own foreign policy and you can about i mean there's we have to get away from this false dichotomy. but these approach western forces have a very tenuous relationship with the west because it's all about what is the west doing for ukraine which is at the forefront at the the ball work of and he

russian. and the russian policy to the extent that the west and i think it's clear is not going to support that kind of long term anti what the russian initiative these forces in western ukraine are going to be disillusioned with the west and one already sees this in the statements of current members of parliament for example that maybe we should rename the party servant of the people which is their dance party into servant of the i.m.f. because the i.m.f. really has us by the throat and is never going to let go of this. just one example of the of the true attitude of the west toward you probably would be but you know we would have predict we predicted this long ago because you don't do be careful what you wish for ok what about the servant of the united states i mean our state

department has pumped since i believe since 1901 through usaid from 1900 to 2014 i believe 5000000000 dollars going to. go ahead well basically it's interesting about $5000000000.00 from the united states there are several hundreds of millions of dollars of military aid basically and $1500000000.00 in military aid $17000000000.00 for all of the you are going to go you and you and i don't and the professor made this estimate $30000000000.00 you bring almost all russia in various forms of debt you know. that but what happens i agree with the professor that there is going to be instability because basically people elected zillions q because they wanted peace with russia he keeps boasting i broadly don't think is the answer you rupturing i mean that and corruption is very yes but now he says that we are basically not going to feel the means could be that

what is just a message that is not what we should or 2nd so that's not going to be resolved any time so that was but that was the point of reference of the respective if you like the mint's accords you know everyone who is doing well or not doing it was always the point of reference that where do we go from there because it's very key people in the east you know i all the people there are patient for peace you know they want peace they don't understand all the intricacies actually the story with the music of course is very simple they presuppose a kind of told me for the east in return for the establishment of ukraine and control over the border the problem is that the ukrainian authorities are not going to give this autonomy they are not an amnesty they are not given special stayed. they continue with the let me book 8 of these regions well the other interesting with this is. that the idea that equal to the city of course is going to be something very unpopular you know at least the land reform which which allows

private ownership of the land sale for lent including to organise that is deeply unpopular in ukrainian society the united states have been pushing for this for a long time but even did not dare to make these very unpopular. so in this situation i agree with the professor who wrote a few years ago 2 thirds of the boss residence servant in early may in 2014 say they regarded that my down as an arm to overthrow the government organized by their position with a system for the best and the quote that was in 2014 i don't think it changed because what we've seen during these years could openly push for more conflict and i think you know i think he pushed for a lot of other things in the you know in the defense area we're talking about there being a liar you know he was politically destroyed and that's a moment of supreme justice because what he did in ukraine will stable and know what he is removed for open rudy giuliani you know. i don't want to go he did you

write about the ukraine gay guy i'd be really interested to know professor what do in ukraine does the media talk much about the news that joe biden it's all over the news now actually laid down the threat to the ukrainian prosecutor to be fired for the you create for the kiev to fire the chief prosecutor who is investigating joe biden son hunter the truth about what it is that i have talked about that was described shortly after occur yes in other words i think was january 1018 at the council on foreign relations it was picked up in the ukrainian news but one of the things that is simply taken for granted in the ukrainian media environment. is that the west calls the shots so why is this surprising ok who surprised by this it didn't have any traction in the american media at the time because they couldn't link it to trump but now. now it's coming to you for trying

to link it to trump but. clearly this was political blackmail at the highest level and by the american vice president he says it was on behalf of the american taxpayer but the coincidence with his son's activities in eastern ukraine at the same time makes. the coincidence of specious. i think it's just amazing how far the american narrative about ukraine is removed from reality you know they are arguing about you know. and what happened in ukraine was the vice president of a different county seat in your president's seat or that the prosecutor general to be dismissed in 6 hours if a russian official give it you know they will say the dry she is rooting or ukraine

then the 2nd story what the eavesdropped blame for not saying didn't weapons on time to ukraine do you understand how this is perceived in ukraine or russia imagine there is a war between canadian saying americans you know and then to a certain country is a weight sending weapons to canadians helping them kill more americans and then the protest and you know indignation is not at the united states was in that country how dare you not to send these well again you know i mean this is my critique of american foreign policy countries that they meddle in are not allowed agency ok ok i want to go back to green we can do you know. it's going to last a long time here is who buyers of buyers remorse from. 5 years on. on whose part of the ukrainians general in general well. the surveys show a significant part of the population to be disappointed with the results of.

the supposed to bring a new vitality and a new quality to the political life but not little has changed indeed corruption by all accounts has gotten worse over the last 5 years and the country has become impoverished one of the things about the i.m.f. deal which is has been stated often but keeps being repeated now in the press and it's very important to bear in mind because the ukrainian government has just adopted a very ambitious economic program for the next 5 years projecting 40 percent economic growth roughly 7 percent annually if ukraine in g.d.p. growth grows at 4 percent or 5 then it will have to pay 40 percent of profits to the i.m.f. well to the to the people that have extended it credit which as one economist wrote

on this road very recently makes it simply unprofitable to have high rates of economic growth in ukraine so i will have to remember that this is a reconstruction goals that g.d.p. failed 10 percent in 2015 right after the mind up even if we exclude craney from the statistics it fell through that 6.4 percent next year so what we see now the ukrainians stajan to leave so i would like what they leave behind a young age may be. may be considered to be a golden age and after all these years but the last thing that the mind and deed will destroy these balance to destroy democracy in ukraine region was one of the things that i do. i want to end on this interview that you guys can jump in here me giving the don special status is impossible if they agree to it because other regions of the country will the same and you going to be putting the the

constituent nature of ukraine at stake in this is that's between the wrong and a hard place here if you give one set something others may want the same. with so there's a debate now one side is using the term autonomy the other side the government is using the term radical decentralisation it's not clear what the difference is although there probably is a significant difference and one should probably stick to the actual meaning of autonomy because what the boss actually wants and what i think many regions of ukraine would not object to especially in the western ukraine would be some form of greater autonomy verging on federalism but the problem is you cannot use the f. word in ukrainian politics. well that's what the professor all of a few years ago ukrainian nationalists have so little quote for them seen their

ability to do we know with the population that they see local culture would point to me as a direct path to secession that's exactly true because you don't even. really want to be. a good sport is very. low therefore you want to point out there that choice is between polluted culture and ukraine something with. russia and have been striving for recognizing that this is their doing beach county russian and ukrainian and many other languages and more not least think ukraine you know nationalistic based on the west. and the west has been pushing for that you know during the last 5 years but the point is that these last these very division because if you. to impose the same identity on may details we were allowed to see home here and you're you know you have excellent reading skills to discuss about really one of your that's all the time we got here many thankfully get here in

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