facility think peace should be expected it. has a lady think peace should be expected it in that's what the afghans want and majority of our people want in that's what the afghans want and majority of our people want in once they had a species there would be no need for international troops in their country in one stead a species there would be no need for the international troops in the country 2000 fewer soldiers this year from the united states more casper defense secretary 2000 fewer soldiers this year from the united states more casper defense secretary saying there will be fewer and now we have reports from the former pentagon boss mad dogmatic saying there will be fewer and now we have reports from the former pentagon boss mad dog mattis is former speechwriter bonder scott gross trump said seriously who gives a about this is former speechwriter come under scott gross trump said seriously who gives a about afghanistan what do you make of the i'm not here to judge the economy or

see afghanistan what do you make of the i'm not here to judge the conversations which has taken place somewhere else but take and say that. which has taken place somewhere else but they can say that. it was in 2000 to run 911 it was in 2000 to run 911 but that 3000 american people who were killed in a tragedy of that 3000 american people who were killed in a tragedy by al qaeda. unfortunately from a policy by al qaeda. unfortunately from afghanistan supported at that time by the taliban in that's why the interest on supported at that time by the taliban in that's why the. international troops are here in we are fighting

a common enemy to get at the national troops out here in we are fighting a common enemy to get it in had it not been for the threat to u.s. homeland and had it not been for the threat to us homeland security the troops wouldn't have been here of course i was speaking in the continuity the troops wouldn't have been here of course i was speaking in the context of the withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria people watching will be saying. of the withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria people watching will be saying al-qaeda those people were saudi nationals obviously previously supported by the those people were saudi nationals obviously previously supported by the united states but tell me about what happened when you met with house speaker nancy pelosi united states but tell me about what happened when you met with the house speaker nancy pelosi because bush is reported

in the amazon washington post as ceci because she is reported in the amazon washington post as saying to you if trump would lead on afghanistan she would what was the meeting like dame to you if trump would lead on afghanistan she would what was the meeting like the meeting with the house speaker lucy in all so either meeting with the house speaker lucy in also other chairpersons of the committees of the congress of the u.s. here persons of the committees of the congress of the u.s. congress it was on their. partnership to spare us congress it was on their. partnership to spend it in lots of concerns were raised. in lots of concerns were raised in 2

common concerns on both sides on the in 2 common concerns on both sides on the possibility of peace in their country on the impact of troop leader the possibility of peace in their country on the impact of troop reduction in their country in. on the outcome of the elections action in their country in. on the outcome of the elections in different possibilities in different scenarios whether it is in different possibilities in different scenarios whether there will be to use homeland security from afghanistan as there will be threat to u.s. homeland security from afghanistan as a result of. u.s. withdrawal and i should say that it will it has a lot of. u.s. withdrawal and i should say that it was

a completely bipartisan delegations nevertheless all of them are completely bipartisan delegations nevertheless all of them were of the view that the u.s. should to stay committed in support of their view that the u.s. should to stay committed in support of the peace process in their country in also we should work together in order to sort of the peace process in the country in also we should work together in order to facilitate. in created an environment facilitate. in created an environment so there will be no need for the presence of the used troops indent so there will be no need for the presence of the used troops in the country in the future so one of the main questions there was that what can. 3 d. future so one of the main questions there was that what will happen to those of the

afghan people in the 2nd part will happen to their chief of the afghan people in the 2nd prices which the afghan people have made for of achieving their rights this is rich the afghan people have made for achieving their rights which of course all of us will of the view which of course all of us will of the view that those. hard earned achievements including the that those. hard earned achievements including the democratic process in has to be preserved and that any set comes in a democratic process in has to be preserved and that only said consensus but we need to as afghans facilitate intimidator situation insist but we need to as afghans facilitate in create a situation an environment that we could live together at an

environment that we could live together at peace with the taliban while maintaining our differences we have made peace with the taliban while maintaining our differences we have made if it's in the past and will continue to do so in the future ok but you just said we aid efforts in the past and will continue to do so in the future ok but you just said i mean 18 years there when american troops in your country and you were talking with nancy pelosi teen years there when american troops in your country and you were talking with nancy pelosi in the past few days literally about threats to u.s. homeland security no one in your country in the past few days literally about threats to u.s. homeland security no one in your country is right now planning to fly airliners into american skyscrapers 18 years 3. right now planning to fly airliners into american skyscrapers 18 years on surely you are talking about security of u.s.

troops in afghanistan not security zone surely you're talking about security of u.s. troops in afghanistan not security of the united states no but you're talking about it was all of the united states no but you're talking about it was it was because of al qaeda presence in years back to what it was because of al qaeda presence even years back to what happened in 111 and if the issue of happened in in 11 and if the issue of terrorists networks are not dealt with in the new terrorist networks are not dealt with in the negotiations which are taking place between the taliban in the united states well look it's backward which are taking place between the taliban in the united states well look it's back to 20 years back nobody would have imagined

that al qaeda will have to keep trying to years back nobody would have imagined that al qaeda will have the capability to launch attacks like 911 when it when it happened afterwards humility to launch attacks like 911 when it when it happened afterwards so no way will we have proof now we are truthful to see that a petition of so no way we have proof now we are truthful to see that a petition we have proof of cables of people saying that they were going to be mounted mounting attacks in afghanistan we have proof of cables of people saying that they were going to be mounted mounting attacks in afghanistan on the united states we know the united states supported the taliban and al qaeda in your country has done in the united states we know the united states supported the taliban and al qaeda in your country but anyway you said your meeting with policy was fruitful we said even. but anyway you said your meeting with policy was fruitful we said even though the democrats under obama of course drone bombed your country you will

come to a boxer neither the democrats under obama of course drone bombed your country you will come to a box or need to and stoltenberg which were silicate at mass killing arguably in afghanistan julian stoltenberg which was silicate at mass killing arguably in afghanistan under nato why are you welcoming all this outside what's under nato why are you welcoming all this outside what some afghans may call it interference in your country we are member. some afghans may call it interference in your country we have never. will come and outsides. just will come and outsides. just point blank called. off path. is that point blank called or off path. is that. divorce fighting began in afghanistan.

divorce fighting began in afghanistan al qaeda has established had established its bases in afghanistan has established had established its bases in afghanistan it wasn't just a threat to the to the to the united states but it wasn't just a threat to the to the to the united states but it was 1st and probably most it was a threat to the people of afghanistan and it was 1st and probably most it was a threat to the people of afghanistan in. 20 years back russian federation who were supporting that exists. 20 years back russian federation who were supporting that existence against al qaeda in the country so at a few other countries but in so. against al qaeda in their country so at a few other countries but do not it is this was not helping at that time in until

the united states was not helping at that time in until the tragic events of $911.00 took place it's not that the afghans want the tragic events of $911.00 took place it's not that the afghans want foreign troops in their country unfortunately we have. the situation in kandahar in troops in their country unfortunately we have. the situation in conditions has created. which will created lead to this situation has created. which will created lead to this situation at this moment as well we want afghanistan to live at peace within and without and at this moment as well we want afghanistan to live at peace within and without without the presence of the international troops but to do without the presence of the international troops to die issues in their country in the

unfortunately days is that as an international threat i issues in that country in the unfortunately days is that as in international threat al qaeda is an international it's not just against afghanistan al qaeda is an international it's not just against afghanistan and also the violence continues through in taliban believe that they can run in also the violence continues through in taliban believe that they can they can pursue the other objectives through violence this is not that they can pursue the other objectives through violence this is not a desirable situation for the people of afghanistan none of our citizens would like to see there's a double situation for the people of afghanistan none of our citizens would like to see this continued about unfortunately we need to we need to deal with this. continued about unfortunately we need to we need to deal with it in also at the

same time make if it's in order to achieve peace when you mention it in also at the same time make if it's in order to achieve peace when you mention day action of course there be delegation to this country that britain the united states was supporting day to day i was there with allegations that this country that britain the united states was supporting day in groups in in syria but back to what you said about russia you achieve advisor chilling groups in in syria but back to what you said about russia you achieve advisor to ahmed shah masood his brother was on this show given that the next round of negotiator masood his brother was on this show given that the next round of negotiations are in beijing do you think certainly if you were president you would be looking more asians in beijing do you think certainly if you were president you would be looking more eastwood's to russia or to china than to the west to i say as i say eastwards to russia to china then to the west to i say as i say have supported islamist groups in your country

that morphed into those that committed 911 have supported islamist groups in your country that morphed into those that committed 911 i think county country who would genuinely want of an i think county country who would genuinely want to support peace and facilitate negotiations to support peace and facilitate negotiations between the afghans father achieving a peaceful settlement those efforts between the afghans father achieving a peaceful settlement those efforts have been welcomed by the afghans and. i've been welcomed by the afghans and. afghans are eagerly waiting for the outcome of the elections at the same time if the indians. eagerly waiting for the outcome of the elections at the same time if there is an opportunity for

their look. in that their local pool is an opportunity for their local. and that their local pully will lead to that action of violence or cease fire or really will lead to that action of violence or cease fire or the start of negotiations. i don't think that that monopoly of the start of negotiations. i don't think that that monopoly of one country. it isn't like looking if one country. it isn't like looking east or west it's the realities are such that to rest it's the realities are such that every country has as an interest in peaceful if the country has as an interest in peaceful outcome

or a peaceful situation and of outcome or. peaceful situation in afghanistan the continuation of the war the presence of taliban understand the continuation of the war the presence of taliban the presence of while and so in afghanistan and also al qaeda in that use is not the presence of while and so in afghanistan and also al qaeda in that use is not in the interest of any can to take it neighboring countries of afghanistan or or in dangerous stuff and he can take it neighboring countries of afghanistan or or but i shall china will do united states who i think everyone and lonely that can't everyone will but i shall china will do united states who i think everyone and on with it can everyone will it it's important it's everybody agree with you i think it's important it's. everybody agree with you i think on that human rights watch parody

a coming up with a report that disturbing report on that human rights watch parody a coming up with a report that disturbing reports that there are cia units targeting afghans just for being in order that there are cia units targeting afghans just for being in the vicinity of taliban activity doesn't cia raids maybe in the vicinity of taliban activity doesn't cia raids maybe in 9 provinces appalling civilian casualties anything you could do as president 9 provinces appalling civilian casualties anything you could do as president to stop the cia 02 squads or groups killing civilians in your country to stop the cia 02 squads or groups killing civilians in your country any civilian casualty coming from any side including the units that you're serving any civilian casualty coming from any side did clued in the units that you are self to it's something which has to be taken seriously and we need to

refer to it something which has to be taken seriously and we need to we need to work in order to in order to prevent civilian casualties the 2 we need to work in order to in order to prevent civilian casualties in this case or in any other of situations unfortunately as a result of this case or in any other of situations unfortunately as a result of. operations or or yet bombardment only. operations or or yet bombardment only. a few days ago in a friday prayer the the a few days ago in a friday prayer the the people were civilians were targeted in. a suicide bomb people were civilians were targeted. a suicidal bomb led

to killing off dozens of citizens this led to killing off dozens of citizens this is the approach and situation but when it is having from our enemies is the approach and situation but when it is having from our enemies we. we need to we need to we need to we. we need to we need to we need to deal with it but when it is as a result of friendly operations to deal with it but when it is as a result of friendly operations against the enemies of peace in their country we should pay most attention to it against the enemies of peace in their country we should pay attention to it in care just finally then dr abdullah abdullah in care just finally then dr abdullah abdullah and obviously resources and

geography some people say that's the reason ways and countries are one way and obviously resources and geography some people say that's the reason why some countries want war in your country peace could it be desired to say that in beijing in china or in your country peace could it be desired to say that in beijing in china i don't think that that the issue of peace i don't think that that the issue of peace would be will be achieved as a result of one would be will be achieved as a result of one get to get out of i mean we have but the fact that a day or get to get out of i mean we are but the fact that adel august taken place i considered it. a positive step along this taken place i can say that it. positive step that has not taken place as of yet what has to see what will be the

door that has not taken place as of yet in what has to see what will be the action of the taliban due to. those the actions of the taliban did in those. days that would continue in beijing. days that would continue in beijing china if taliban agree on the deduction of violence or cease fire if taliban agree on the deduction of violence or ceasefire during the negotiations between the afghans those could be would be closed during the negotiations between the afghans those could be would be considered as a step forward so peace will not be achieved as a result of that as a step forward so peace will not be achieved as a result of one died of

a low but if the 1st step is spot on that would of there are no but if if the 1st step is positive then one could become more hopeful towards the future give executive things that have then one could become more hopeful towards the future give executive thank you you're welcome thank you after the break the most important political publication here you're welcome thank you after the break the most important political publication you've never heard of the former editor of black marxist magazine raised today live the hash and you've never heard of the former editor of black marxist magazine raised today later how on fighting for class as well as race and inspiring the 1st norm like laboring on fighting for class as well as race and inspiring the 1st nonwhite labor m.p.'s and music from the revolutionary mind of benjamin is a peace and music from the river. remind of benjamin's that all this of all coming

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but there was a there wasn't it was bed you know much worse objectively than today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. there was a real sense an expectation that things were going to get better. there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america was shaped by the 10s of hopefulness there isn't today today's america where shape by the 10 principles of concentration of wealth and power. principles of concentration of wealth and power. reduced democracy attack solid doubt engineering reduced democracy attack solid doubt engineer elections manufacture consent and other principles according to latch manufacture consent. another principle holds according to no on. one set of rules for the rich option

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welcome back today marks the final week of u.k. black history month celebrated. welcome back today marks the final week of u.k. black history month celebrating black culture and politics here are going on the ground we've been looking at a new book that celebrates one of the most in black culture and politics here going underground we've been looking at a new book that celebrates one of the most influential black publications of the 20th century one that inspired some of today's greatest black activists went to black publications of the 20th century one that inspired some of today's greatest black activists and politicians race today previously edited by the legendary civil rights activist judges how politicians race today previously edited by the legendary civil rights activist doctors how practice not just journalism but activism becoming part of the stories and campaigns they covered practice not just journalism but activism becoming part of the stories and campaigns they covered i'm

joined now by one of the magazine's former editors later how they were welcome to going underground i'm joined now by one of the magazine's former editors later how they were welcome to going underground black history month why now for this collected on black history month why now for this collected journalism of burning so many decades in total here to stay here to fight primarily journalism of battling so many decades in total here to stay here to fight primarily to celebrate the darkest it darkest how who was the editor as to celebrate the darkest it darkest how who was the editor of a sedan in fact forms of a state collective dark turn a half years ago now very sad and in fact forms of a state collective dark turn a half years ago now and a group of us a small group of us have been talking about how we can show that he's and a group of us a small group of us have been talking about how we can ensure that he's legacy that

what he stood for is maintained and we came up with the idea of legacy that what he stood for is meant. and we came up with the idea of producing an anthology of race today which for 4014 years of his life did you sing an anthology of race today which for 4014 years of his life he was key in keeping the collective of 8 women and 6 men together activists he was key in keeping the collective of 8 women and 6 men together activists who produced a journal but were also politically active in the immigrant community who produced a journal but were also politically active in the immigrant communities have to care and just because your husband was my boss have to declare interest because your husband was my boss for a few years when i was at channel 4 i got to us. for a few years when i was at channel 4 i got to what he thought and it's very relevant

because he has the shadow home secretary of this country what he thought and it's very relevant because he has the shadow home secretary of this country is there an abbot and she says she says it helped pave the way is there an abbot and she says she says it helped pave the way for black women in this country one of the most political appointee for black women in this country one of the most political important political journals in britain that's when the general secretary do you think you belittle journals in britain that's when the general secretary do you think. could have been shot of him secretary a black woman home secretary and been weirded out been secretary a black woman whom secretary could have been without race today without definitely not definitely not i mean we now to chart a race today without definitely not definitely not i mean we now to chart what some

people would term success down to the campaigning days we some people would term success. down to the campaigning days we campaign for black sections in the labor party camp mason for poor blacks to blacks and actually been able to see we supported black sections in the labor party we went to the labor party conference to support them we gave voice to die and we must we went to the labor party conference to support them we gave voice to die and we must say sections of the labor party as well were against the idea of these black m.p.'s say sections of the labor party as well were against the idea of these black m.p.'s raising their issues and saying that they had to what be considered as m.p.'s to represent them raising their issues and saying that they had to what be considered as m.p.'s to represent their immigrant population or their right wing trade union true yes diane abbott is a population there is a right wing trade union lists true yes diane abbott is the 1st person ever to take

prime minister's question yes or yes it was a way to build a 1st person ever to take prime minister's question yes yes it was a way the book has quite a bit about police power as we used to down hard on political activity has quite a bit about police power as we used to down hard on political activity by people of color tell me a bit about that specifically i suppose it was with the largest people of color tell me a bit about that specifically i suppose it was with the largest street festival in europe because i'm really not against the 1st campaign was by the police street festival in europe because i'm really not against the 1st campaign was by the police who really engineered a petition from the local community to say who really engineered a petition from the local community to say that conoco should be taken off the streets of notting hill and since and we're talking about that conoco should be taken off the streets of notting hill and since and then we're talking about. the seventy's since then there is even today there is

a systematic campaign there in the seventy's since then there is even to. today there is a systematic campaign that says that convo should not be on the streets of notting hill and so that's something again that says that convo should not be on the streets of notting hill and so that's something which even up until the end of his life doctors was attending meetings again which even up until the end of his life doctors was attending meetings against politicians and local councils he was saying it's too big for the streets and sed politicians and local councils he was saying it's too big for the streets we have to get out of the streets and put in the stadium because if something doesn't cost money it's not worth anything have to get out of the streets and put it in a stadium because if something doesn't cost money it's not worth anything actually i mean is there throughout partly because i think actually i mean is there throughout partly because you say that the magazine raised today they want you to

bear witness. to the magazine race today they want you to bear witness to the stories of the working classes that are very as well as to represent to the stories of the working classes that are very as well as to represent their views yes different to the soviet union so basically when we dock is one of doc's is yes different to the soviet union so basically when we dock is one of doxes 1st editorials was that we would record record and recognize the struggles of the past that it was that we would record record and recognize the struggles of the population and recognise that the revolutionary potential of these struggles and so we recognise that the revolutionary potential of these struggles and so we basically went to just immigrant communities and talk to people we basically went to just immigrant communities and talk to people we used i was 24 at the time so

when doctors suggested i should read. i was 24 at the time so i went down. suggested i should read workers inquiry. i was a bit put off. but of course. i was a bit put off of what but of course in our activism we began to understand why. division was a of a convincing we began to understand why. division was a of a kind that you didn't just go to a community have a campaign you had to know who the populi and that you didn't just go to a community have a campaign you had to know who the population was where they came from where they were what their preoccupations were. where they came from where they were what their preoccupations were and what they wanted and that was how we approached our activism we were successful in what they wanted and that was how we approached our activism we were successful in the countless police campaigns because that time is

particular in the seventy's i would say in the countless police campaigns because that time is particular in the seventy's i would say coming up to the eighty's police pastime was to beat up young black men in particular coming up to the eighty's police pastime was to beat up young black men in particular and the framing of black youth and this is now been accepted by the police themselves but when the framing of black youth and this is now been accepted by the police themselves but what we did is we had campaigns of you know the quick would 12 there be it wasn't like 2 or 3 people that beat groups of people who've been oppressed by the police and we then would go or what we did is we had campaigns of you know the trick would 12 there be it was like 2 or 3 people that beat groups of people have been oppressed by the police and we then would go in and support and campaign for them and we were successful in some of them and some of them we persuaded in and support and campaign for them and we were successful in some of them and some of them we persuaded predominately the police were lying in others we were.

predominant the police were lying in others. yes you're right legally we're fine because a subsequent scotland you know. chief illegally were fined because a subsequent scotland you know. chief said the police an institutional racism absolutely didn't fuss and that would be some jeff said the police an institutional racism absolutely didn't fasten that would be some decades later it was right yes i was disturbing is that. your one of your conjugates later was right yes i was disturbing is that. your one of your contributions in this book a lot of people talking about impeachment in the united states and in this book a lot of people talking about impeachment in the united states and everyone knows about watergate that's a kind of point you make in one of your pieces in the book everyone knows about watergate that's a kind of point you make in one of your pieces in the book and you're making the

point that people should know about cointelpro absolutely and you're making the point that people should know about cointelpro absolutely. yes nothing nothing to people still don't know about no no no. yes nothing nothing to people still don't know about no no no and so the black panther party which i have to say for many young black people including myself before panther party which i have to say for many young black people including myself before waste a day we were in these kind of black power movement as asians which were basically mini black always today we were in these kind of black power will denies asians with a basically many black panther party as we adopted a lot of their slogans a lot of their you know their ideology panther parties we adopted a lot of their slogans a lot of their you know their ideology but of course later on when the book came out that i reviewed in 2 but of course later on when the book came out that i reviewed in 2 about it turned out that the f.b.i.

had infiltrated these organizations to the extent bout it turned out that the f.b.i. had infiltrated this. as a sions to the extent that they called into nice on welfare and people were murdered and killed all instigated by that they called into nice i'm all fair and people were murdered and killed all instigated by the f.b.i. but in this you're saying in your piece did in job creation by the f.b.i. but in this you're saying in your piece did in job creation programs for the poor and this is joining the beginning of the near liberal. programs for the poor and this is joining the beginning of the near liberal factory. yes they were aimed at stopping the revolutionary spirit spirit of the unemployed yes they were aimed at sapping the revolutionary spirit spirit of the unemployed yes so by that i think what we meant was that a lot of projects then came out so by that i think what we meant was that a lot of projects then came up there would would. whereas we have had to meet.

with parents parents with the black community to the black community say what is it you want to say and how do we get what it is and we built on and how do we get it and we believed it was by direct action and come from from something the state that way that they they then came up with a home with a whole ethos of what we called project touch and having little use center. of what we call project touchin of having little use centers it'll use workers coming in and that meant that the rulers of the major they are coming in and that meant that the rulers of the. nations are sort of you know seriously as well and so that means but but the haitians are sort of you know. that mean but. because they import impose their own rules and restrictions on what they used to do

within this institutions that because they import impose their own rules and restrictions on what they used to do that in this. since that whole revolution and you went this particular knife crime you know they're piling lots of resources into a whole revolution and you went this particular knife crime you know they're pouring lots of resources into it but what about the boys themselves is anyone spoken to the boys themselves about that but what about the boys themselves is anyone spoken to the boys themselves about their daily existence on these estates where selling drugs is your only option daily existence on these states where selling drugs is your only option and you attack these boys for what they're doing you know the whole post code lottery which is all about and you attack these boys for what they're doing you know the whole post code lottery which is all about drugs but the big cocaine dealers the people at the top are bringing in the drugs drugs but the big cocaine dealers the people at the top are bringing in the drugs and these boys a very low in the food chain for all of this nobody talks about but we have these

boys a very low in the food chain for all of this nobody talks about but we attack the victims of this whole economic setup the police denies that attack the victims of this whole economic setup the police denies that. they're doing everything they can and other ages and this is saying that they're doing everything they can and other ages and this is saying that intersectionality is so important race gender and class but i mean intersectionality is so important race gender and class but i mean have they been resolved at least struggles or even one only has to think of how obama have been resolved these struggles i mean one only has to think of how obama is revered in the united states obviously not from from the bomber is revered in the united states obviously not from from the poorest of. how do you see the world

now in relation to what of cause and you see the book now in relate. the what. what is talked about today about the struggles of race gender and i have. what is talked about today about struggles of race gender and i have accepted i mean people have been to meetings where they talked about the book i'm people have said he'd accepted i mean people have been to meetings where he talked about the book i'm people have said he. can't talk about black anymore you got to talk about black women back and gave an argument to the can't talk about black anymore you've got to talk about black women back and they you know there's a whole inside intersectionality debate but one of the things that strikes you know there's a whole inside intersectionality debate but one of the things that strikes me is where are the politics there's a lot of debate and discussion but i don't see the challenge me is where are the politics there's a lot of debate and discussion but i don't see the challenge the challenge of the state the challenge to authority which is basically was our bread and butter of

course to traverse of the state the challenge to authority which is basically was our bread and butter of course while you talk about extreme violence in west kansas over the carnival pier while you talk about extreme violence in west kansas over the carnival period yes we then of course our grand felt 72 carried over yes we then of course our ground felt 72 killed racism was charity been blamed again killed racism was charity been blamed again are we seeing the problem you just mentioned the politicization of are we seeing the problem you just mentioned the politicization of a tragedy like grenfell but again with grandfather i think that that there is a bit of a tragedy like grenfell but again with grandfather i think that that there is a political strand in it when phil but very quickly with you know the visits from

the queen stranding him when phil but very quickly with you know the visits. the queen it kind of diffuse is what basically on the royalty people start kind of defuses what basically on the royal people start doing an attorney to lean in the clouds the light that another contribution is by one of the greatest between an attorney to lean in the tragedy like that another contribution is by one of the greatest solicitors in british legal history arguably who were fought for the irish solicitors in british legal history arguably who were fought for the irish community and when it was being beaten up by the police care of peers yes she's now julian i mean again when it was being beaten up by the police care of peers yes she's now julian songes lawyer yes tell me about it she says something in this book she says urges lawyer yes tell me about it she says something in this book she says to political actions are embedded in 20th century british history to political

actions are embedded in 20th century british history 20000 black britons marching after the new crossfire 20000 black britons marching after the new crossfire in the seventy's and the trial of your husband in the seventy's and the trial of your husband in an amount of time for many people watching would even know you know the. amount of labor many people watching would even know know of the very accurately these are saying these are 2 seminal moments in british history jess take us through the brotherly saying these are 2 seminal moments in british history jess take us through the case so the black people's day of action there was a 5 in new cross and 30 k. so the black people's day of action there was a 5 in new cross and 30 young people were killed in the fight was

a 16th birthday party the area young people were killed in the fight was a 16th birthday party. the area in which the party was held been known for national fun activity they've been a bombing of a used the party was held been known for national fun activity they'd been a bombing of a youth club before the bombing of a house called the sunderland moat bombing the day before the bombing of a house called the sunderland mode bombing on the day this is where the mother of 2 of the people of the party was told it was a fire the mother of 2 of the people at the party was told it was a fire bomb there was a man in the car and then the police tried to turn around and say that for bomb there was a man in the car and then the police tried to turn around and say that 4 black boys had a fight in the party and they cause the fire so we were fighting the black boys had a fight in the party and they caused the fire so we were fighting the police on that front taking statements from people who were going. to going to people police

on that front taking statements from people who were going. to going to people but the anger was so strong we called a meeting of which we thought 30 people would attend but the anger was so strong we called a meeting of which we thought 30 people would attend and 300 people turned up and they didn't turn up just from london they came from birmingham and 300 people turned up and they didn't turn up just from london they came from birmingham manchester so we very lies that there was a kind of national feeling of unjust so we realised that there was a kind of national feeling of this really was the final straw but the something really had to be done this really was the final straw but the something really had to be done and so. we called the people's assembly again people even though. we called the people's assembly again people even though that is but we had regular people's assembly is and in all our politics we always try to that is but we had

regular people's assembly is in all our politics. always try to politicize the people themselves more than than would be normal and we agree politicize the people themselves more than than would be normal and we agreed in the people's assembly that we would have a mile across london on a word in the people's assembly that we would have a mile across london on a working day that we wouldn't do the traditional let's do it on a saturday go to trafalgar square have a rally and so on a monday we did and we gathered in a park a king day that we wouldn't do the traditional let's do on a saturday go to trafalgar square have a rally and so on a monday we did and we gathered in a park and i remember darcus and all of us the collective there and other activists thinking was this him and i remember darcus and all of us the collective there and other activists thinking well is this a mistake who's going to come and then bit by bit it just failed and as we march to

state who's going to come and then bit by bit it just failed and as we marched children climbed some schools people jumped off must buses and by the time we got to the west. some schools people jumped off must buses and by the time we got to the west to blackfriars bridge we were about 15 to 20000 strong but when we got about 5 to blackfriars bridge we were about 15 to 20000 strong but when we got about 5 bridge the police were there with a complete cordon saying you're not passing and have to the police were there with a complete cordon saying you're not passing and i have to say it was a young who. was on the. links and didn't invent a message back to doctors on the bus to say we're being prevented with doctors on the lorry and young people they just pushed through what we would with the doctors on the lorry and the young people they just pushed through what we would have been a little whether they were just by the book for us then just finally you have to

have a little go at the girl and they'll just buy the book for us then just finally. you've seen the kinds of accusations and criticisms leveled against it yes you've seen the kinds of accusations and criticisms leveled against it yes it was in this book saying she's useless economy doing the job. electors in this book saying she's useless economy doing the job. election imminent no more do you expect against your assertion imminent no more do you expect against your colleagues i mean the attacks on her been absolutely vicious men for calling. i mean the attacks on her been absolutely vicious and when they're racing against racist sexist i mean the threats against her life that threatens to race is racist sexist i mean the threats against her life that threatens to physically assault her i mean

i have been discussing and the fact that basically. i mean i have been discussing and the fact that you know she has stood strong and still kind and i think it's great testament to done and you know she has stood strong and still kind and i think it's great testament to done i'm sure we are going to see going forward vilification of do you want diane abbott show because we are going to see going forward vilification of do you want diane abbott to be the home secretary the ha ha or no way this woman is used that to be the home secretary the ha ha or no way this woman is used that will that will definitely be part of the campaign as we go through in the election that will definitely be part of the campaign as we go through in the election thank you that's it for the show in a 2nd we'll hear music from race today inspired poet and i thank you that's it for the show in a 2nd we'll hear music from race today inspired poet and actor benjamin zephaniah i will be back on the eve of boris johnson scheduled breck's that day but as you

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