it's time for u.k. and u.s. soldiers to come home plus in u.k. black history month we speak it's time for u.k. and u.s. soldiers to come home plus in u.k. black history month we speak to the editor of legendary 20th century marxist magazine race today they left how did the editor of legendary 20th century marxist magazine race today they left how who inspired some of britain's most influential politicians including the 1st black female m.p. who inspired some of britain's most influential politicians including the 1st black female m.p. and music from a race today inspired poet and germans that all this and music from a race today inspired poets and germans that were not all this more coming up in today's going on the ground a 1st of the u.s.a.'s longest war and whether trump unlike his previous more coming up in today's going underground refers to the u.s.a.'s longest war and whether trump unlike his predecessors is the man to finally end it the possibly eminent next president of afghanistan dr abdul or that's as is the man to finally end it the possibly imminent next president of afghanistan dr abdul or a brother joins me now from kabul thanks so much for coming on the show dr abdullah

abdullah joins me now from kabul thanks so much for coming on the show dr abdullah i'm going to just begin by saying there are british and american soldiers in afghanistan is it i'm going to just begin by saying there are british and american soldiers in afghanistan is it time for them to go home take you 1st of all. the true time for them to go home take you 1st of all. the troops the international troops including u.s. troops out here what it isn't it's the international troops including u.s. troops out here for the reason in there what here they have been here for these in the past 18 years that's in there what here they have been here for these in the past 18 years that's the presence of terrorist networks now in also the cunts the presence of terrorist networks now in also the crime. the new issue of

the war i think the if it's. the new issue of the war i think the if it's. a thing piece should be expected it in a think piece should be expelled out it in that's what the afghans want in majority of our people want in that's what the afghans want in majority of our people want in was there to species there would be no need for international troops in the country 2000 view was there to species there would be no need for international troops in the country 2000 fewer soldiers this year from the united states gasper defense secretary saying there will be our soldiers this year from the united states mark asked for defense secretary saying there will be fewer and now we have reports from the former pentagon boss mad dog mattis is former speak fewer and now we have reports from the former pentagon boss mad dog mattis is former speechwriter

bonder scott gross trump said seriously who gives a about afghanistan under star growers trump said seriously who gives a about afghanistan what do you make of the i'm not here to judge their conversations what do you make of the i'm not here to judge their conversations which has taken place somewhere else but they can say that. it was just taken place somewhere else but they can say that. it was in 2000 to 1911 but that it was in 2000 to run 911 but that 3000 american people were killed in a tragedy 3000 american people were killed in a tragedy by al qaeda. and professionally from afghanistan by al qaeda emitting unfortunately from afghanistan as. supported at that time by the

taliban in that's why the international troops are supported at that time by the taliban in that's why the international troops are here in we are fighting a common enemy to get in here in we are fighting a common enemy to get it in had it not been for the threat to us homeland security had it not been for the threat to us homeland security the troops wouldn't have been here of course i was speaking in the context of that would use troops wouldn't have been here of course i was speaking in the context of the withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria people watching will be saying al-qaeda draw all of us troops from syria people watching will be saying al-qaeda those people were saudi nationals obviously previously supported by the united states because those people were saudi nationals obviously previously supported by the united states but tell

me about what happened when you met with our speaker nancy pelosi but tell me about what happened when you met with our speaker nancy pelosi because she was reported in the amazon washington post as saying to you you have truckers bush reported in the amazon washington post as saying to you if trump would lead on afghanistan she would what was the meeting like the meeting with the world leader in afghanistan she would what was the meeting like the meeting with the house speaker lucy in also other chairperson the house speaker lucy in also other chairpersons of the committees of the congress of the u.s. congress is of the committees of the congress of the u.s. congress it was on their. partnership to spread it. it was on their. partnership to spread it. in lots of concerns were

raised in. lots of concerns were raised in 2 common concerns on both sides on the possibility common concerns on both sides on the possibility of peace in their country on the impact of troop reduction in their kind of peace in their country on the impact of troop reduction in the country in. on the outcome of the elections in differently in. on the outcome of the elections in different possibilities in different scenarios whether there will be impossibilities in different scenarios whether there will be threat to u.s. homeland security from afghanistan as a result of threat to u.s. homeland security from afghanistan as a result of. us withdrawal and they should say that it was

a completely. up to us withdrawal and they should say that it was a completely bipartisan delegations nevertheless all of them were bipartisan delegations nevertheless all of them were of the view that the u.s. should stay committed in support of the peace of the view that the u.s. should to stay committed in support of the peace process in their country in also we should work together in order to process in their country in also we should work together in order to facilitate. in created an environment so facilitate. in created an environment so there will be no need for the presence of the used troops in their country the few there will be no need for the presence of the used troops in their country in the future. so one of the main

questions there was that what will happen so one of the main questions there was that what will happen in 2 days of the afghan people in these sacrifices was dark and to their chief minutes of the afghan people in these sacrifices which the afghan people have made for achieving their rights which people have made for of achieving their rights which of course all of us will of the view that those of course all of us will of the view that those. hard earned achievements including the democratic. hard earned achievements including the democratic process in has to be preserved and that any circumstances but process in has to be preserved and that any circumstances but we need to as

afghans facilitate intimidator situation any need to as afghans facilitate in create a situation an environment that we could live together at peace in an environment that we could live together at peace with the taliban while maintaining our differences we have made if it's in the past with the taliban while maintaining our differences we have made if it's in the past and will continue to do so in the future ok but you just said i mean 18 years continue to do so in the future ok but you just said i mean 18 years there when american troops in your country and you were talking with nancy pelosi in the past few days there when american troops in your country and you were talking with nancy pelosi in the past few days literally about threats to u.s. homeland security no one in your country is right now days literally about threats to u.s. homeland security no one in your country is right now blair. to fly airliners into

american skyscrapers 18 years on surely planning to fly airliners into american skyscrapers 18 years on surely you are talking about security of u.s. troops in afghanistan not security of the we're talking about security of u.s. troops in afghanistan not security of the united states no but we are talking about it was it was because of the united states no but you're talking about it was it was because of al qaeda presence in years back to what happened to their presence in years back to what happened in 111 and if the issue of terror than in 111 and if the issue of terrorist networks are not dealt with in the negotiations which are snit works or not dealt with in the negotiations which are taking place between the taliban in the

united states well look it's back to 20 years back taking place between the taliban in the united states well look it's back to 20 years back nobody would have imagined that al qaeda will have the capability to launch nobody would have imagined that al qaeda will have the capability to launch attacks like $911.00 when it when it happened afterwards so acts like 911 when it when it happened afterwards so no way we have proof now we have a serious who seeded a petition of we have proof of no way we have proof now we have a trooper who seeded a petition and we have proof of cables of people saying that there were going to be mounted mounting attacks in afghanistan in the united states of people saying that they were going to be mounted mounting attacks in afghanistan on the united states we know the united states supported the taliban and al qaeda in your country but the only way that we know the united states supported the taliban and al qaeda are in your country but anyway. you said your meeting with policy was fruitful we said

even though the democratic you said your meeting with policy was fruitful we said even though the democrats under obama of course drone bombed your country you will come to a box or need to end stoltz under obama of course drone bombed your country you will come to a box or need to end stoltenberg which were silicate at mass killing arguably in afghanistan under nato. what do you want welcome to winning all sillett out states such as i ask what killer summing up against make will be in afghanistan under nato why are you welcoming all this outside what some afghans may call it interference in your country we have a little different william recumbent in your country we have never. will come and outsides. just to appear to be sides. just point blank. or. off the cuff.

the point it is that the. deal was fighting going on in afghanistan al qaeda has a deal was fighting going on in afghanistan al qaeda has established had established its bases in afghanistan it was stablished had established its bases in afghanistan it wasn't just a threat to the to the to the united states but it was 1st and then just a threat to the to the to the united states but it was 1st and pommels it was a threat to the people of afghanistan in the fall most it was a threat to the people of afghanistan in. 20 years back russian federation who were supporting that existence against 20 years back russian federation who were supporting that existence against al qaeda in their country so at

a few other countries but do not it is state al qaeda in their country so at a few other countries but do not do this this was not helping at that time in until the tragic event this was not helping at that time in until the tragic events of $911.00 took place it's not that the afghans want foreign troops index of $911.00 took place it's not that the afghans want foreign troops in their country unfortunately we have. the situation in conditions has cleared country unfortunately we have. the situation in conditions has created. which will created lead to this situation at this minute. which will created lead to this situation at this moment as well we want afghanistan to live at peace within and without without them and as well we want afghanistan to live at peace within and without without the presence of the international troops to die issues in. presence

of the international troops to die issues in that country in the unfortunately days is that as in international threat of a country in the unfortunately days is that as in international threat al qaeda is an international trip it's not just against afghanistan it is an international trip it's not just against afghanistan and also the violence continues through in taliban believe that they can they can and also the violence continues through in taliban believe that they can they can pursue the other objectives through violence this is not a desirable so she would pursue the other objectives through violence this is not a desirable situation for the people of afghanistan none of our citizens would like to see this condition for the people of afghanistan none of our citizens would like to see this continued about time fortunately we need to we need to deal with it in

all she knew about time fortunately we need to we need to deal with it in also at the same time make it hurts in order to achieve peace when you mentioned at the same time make it hurts in order to achieve peace when you mentioned of course there were allegations that this country that britain the united states was supporting day groups in place there with allegations that this country that britain the united states was supporting day in groups in in syria but back to what you said about russia you achieve advisor to shove in syria but back to what you said about russia you achieve advisor to. his brother was on this show given that the next round of negotiations in his brother was on this show given that the next round of negotiations in beijing do you think certainly if you were president you would be looking more easting do you think certainly if you were president you would be looking more eastwood's to russia to china than to the west who i say as i

say have support. to russia or to china then to the west to i say as i say have supported islamist groups in your country that morphed into those that committed 911 i think it is limited groups in your country that morphed into those that committed 911 i think any country who would genuinely want to support county country who would genuinely want to support peace in faceted negotiations between the peace and faceted negotiations between the africans father achieving a peaceful settlement those efforts have been with afghans father achieving a peaceful settlement those efforts have been welcomed by the afghans in. afghans of the eagle camp by the afghans in. afghans are eagerly waiting

for the outcome of the elections at the same time if there is an opportunity waiting for the outcome of the elections at the same time if there is an opportunity for their local. and that their local pully. their local. and that their local pully will lead to that action of violence or cease fire or start a lead to that action of violence or ceasefire or the start of negotiations. i don't think that that monopoly of one country negotiations. i don't think that that monopoly of one country at all. it isn't like looking east or west. it isn't like looking east or west it's the realities are such that if we can't it's the realities are such that every country has

as an interest in peaceful. has as an interest in peaceful outcome or. peaceful situation in afghanistan. or a peaceful situation in afghanistan the continuation of the war the presence of taliban the prison the continuation of the war the presence of taliban and the presence of while in sin afghanistan and also al qaeda in that it is not in the interest of us up while inside afghanistan and also al qaeda in that it is not in the interest of and he can take it neighboring countries of afghanistan or or but i shall take it neighboring countries of afghanistan or or but i shall china will do united states who i think everyone and loanword can everyone will china will do united states who i think everyone and loanword can everyone will if it's important it's everybody

agree with you i think go on that's important it's. everybody agree with you i think on that human rights watch parody coming out with a report disturbing report that that human rights watch parody a coming out with a report that disturbing report that there are cia units targeting afghans just for being in the vicinity there are cia units targeting afghans just for being in the vicinity of taliban activity doesn't cia raids maybe in 9 of taliban activity doesn't cia raids maybe in 9 provinces appalling civilian casualties anything you could do as president just up the cia in provinces appalling civilian casualties anything you could do as president just up the cia 02 squads or groups killing civilians in your country and he said may 2 squads or groups killing civilians in your country any civilian casualty coming from any side did clued in

the units that you're self 2000000000 casualty coming from any side did clued in the units that you were self referred to it's something which has to be taken seriously and we need to we need it's something which has to be taken seriously and we need to we need to work in order to in order to prevent civilian casualties in this case it to work in order to in order to prevent civilian casualties in this case or in any other situations unfortunately as a result of. all in any other situations unfortunately as a result of. operates options but exaltation turns or lose order or you get bombarded and we had been the bombard me and only. a few days ago in a friday prayer the the people were a few days ago in a friday prayer the the people who were civilians were targeted in.

a suicide bomb civilians were targeted. a suicidal bomb led to killing off dozens of citizens this is the approach and to killing off dozens of part citizens this is the approach and situation but when it is telling from our enemies situation but when it is telling from our enemies we. we need to we need to we need to deal with it we. we need to we need to we need to deal with it but when it is as a result of friendly operations against the enemy it but when it is as a result of friendly operations against the enemies of peace in their country we should pay at most attention to it in a piece of peace in their country we should pay at most attention to it in care just finally then dr abdullah abdullah and obviously will scare just finally then

dr abdullah abdullah and obviously resources and geography some people say that's the reason why some countries want war in your country resources and geography some people say that's the reason why some countries want war in your country peace could it be desired to say that in beijing in china i don't think that peace could it be desired to say that in beijing in china i don't think that that the issue of peace would that the issue of peace would be will be achieved as a result of one get would be will be achieved as a result of one get together i mean we have but the fact that adel august they can put together i mean we are but the fact that adel august taken place i considered it. a positive step. and said that it. a

positive step that has not taken place as of yet one has to see what will be the action taken place as of yet what has to see what will be the action of the taliban due to. the arm of the taliban due to. those. days that would continue in beijing china if these that would continue in beijing china if taliban agree on the deduction of violence or cease fire deal about magni on the deduction of violence or cease fire during the negotiations between the afghans those could be would be considered during the negotiations between the afghans those could be would be considered as a step forward so peace will not be achieved as

a result of one down dove as a step forward so peace will not be achieved as a result of one died of a low but if the 1st step is positive then one day i look but if the 1st step is positive then one could become more hopeful towards the future give executive thank you you could become more hopeful towards the future give executive thank you you're welcome thank you after the break the most important political publication you've never heard thank you after the break the most important political publication you've never heard of the former editor of black marxist magazine race today later how one fight of the former editor of black marxist magazine raised today later how on fighting for class as well as race and inspiring the 1st nonwhite labor m.p.'s class as well as race and inspiring the 1st norm like labor m.p.'s and music from the revolutionary mind of benjamin is that for now all

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whatsoever and this is what led to traumas victory in 2016 and what setting him up for a victory in 2020. 26 team and what setting him up for a victory in 2020. in a world of big. you know world of big partisan lot and conspiracy it's time to wade through a lot and conspiracy it's time to wait to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door more than we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door. and

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welcome back today marks the final week of u.k. black history month so. welcome back today marks the final week of u.k. black history month celebrating black culture and politics here and going underground we've been looking at a new book that celebrates one of the most liberating black culture in politics here and going underground we've been looking at a new book that celebrates one of the most influential black publications of the 20th century one that inspired some of today's greatest black influential black publications of the 20th century one that inspired some of today's greatest black activists and politicians race today previously edited by the legendary civil rights activist dog because out of us from politicians race today previously edited by the legendary civil rights activist doctors how practice not just journalism but activism becoming part of the stories in campaigns they practice not just journalism but activism becoming part of the stories and campaigns they covered i'm joined now by one of the magazine's former editors later how they were welcome to going on of it i'm joined now by one of the magazine's former editors later how they were welcome to going underground black history month why now for this

collected ground black history month why now. for this collected journalism of battling so many decades in total here to stay here to fight primarily journalism battling so many decades in total here to stay here to fight primarily to celebrate the darkest it darkest how who was the editor to celebrate the darkest it darkest how who was the editor of a sedan in fact formed of a state collective dark turn a half years ago now a very sad and in fact formed of a state collective dark turn a half years ago now and a group of us a small group of us have been talking about how we can shield the ill and a group of us a small group of us have been talking about how we can ensure that his legacy that what he stood for is maintained and we came up with the idea he's legacy that what he stood for is maintained and we came up with the idea of producing an anthology

of race today which for 4014 years of his life of producing an anthology of race today which for 4014 years of his life he was key in keeping the collective of 8 women and 6 men together activists he was key in keeping the collective of 8 women and 6 men together activists who produced a journal but were also politically active in the immigrant community who produced a journal but were also politically active in the immigrant communities have to care and just because your husband was going to have to care and just because your husband was my boss for a few years when i was at channel 4 i got to the boss for a few years when i was at channel 4 i got to us what he thought i mean it's very relevant because the shadow home secretary of what he thought i mean it's very relevant because he has the shadow home secretary of this country is there a bit and she says she says it helped pave the winter is there

a bit and she says. she says it helped pave the way for black women in this country one of the most political way for black women in this country one of the most political important political journals in britain that's when the general secretary do you think political journals in britain attorney general secretary do you think. it could have been shot of him secretary a black woman whom secretary could have been without but could have been shot of him secretary a black woman whom secretary could have been without race today without definitely not definitely not i mean we now to chart a race today without definitely not definitely not i mean we now to chart what some people would term success down to the campaigning days what some people would term success down to the campaigning days we campaign for black sections in the labor

party we supported black sections in the labor party we campaigned for black sections in the labor party we supported black sections in the labor party we went to the labor party conference to support them we gave voice to diane we went to the labor party conference to support them we gave voice to diane we must say sections of the labor party as well were against the idea of these black m.p.'s you must say sections of the labor party as well were against the idea of these black m.p.'s raising their issues and saying that they had the right to be considered as m.p.'s to represent their raising their issues and saying that they had the right to be considered as m.p.'s to represent their immigrant population or their right wing trading lists drew yes dynamical population or their right wing trading lists true yes because diane abbott is the 1st person ever to take prime minister's question yes and i guess it was a way of it is the 1st person ever to take prime minister's question yes and i guess it was a way the book has quite a bit about police power as we used to it down hard on political like to the book

has quite a bit about police power. we used to down hard on political activity by people of color i mean a bit about that specifically i suppose it was with the largest people of color i mean a bit about that specifically i suppose it was with the largest street festival in europe because really not against the 1st campaign was by the police street festival in europe because really not against the 1st campaign was by the police who really engineered a petition from the local community to this who really engineered a petition from the local community to say that conoco should be taken off the streets of notting hill and since then we're talking about say that conoco should be taken off the streets of notting hill and since and we're talking about. the seventy's since then there is even today there is a systematic campaign there the seventy's since then there is even today there is a systematic campaign that says that convo should not be on the streets of notting

hill and so that's something bane that says that convo should not be on the streets of notting hill and so that's something which even up until the end of his life doctors was attending meetings which even up until the end of his life doctors was attending meetings against politicians and local councils he was saying it's too big for the streets against the politicians and local councils he was saying it's too big for the streets we have to get out of the streets and put in the stadium because if something doesn't cost money it's not worth it we have to get out of the streets and put in the stadium because if something doesn't cost money it's not worth anything actually i mean call marx's there throughout partly because anything actually i mean call marks is there throughout partly because you say that the magazine raised today they want you to bear witness. that the magazine raised today they want you to bear witness to the stories of the working classes that are

underway as well as to represent the stories of the working close. exactly as well as to represent yes different to the soviet union so basically when we doctors is one of doc says yes you're into the soviet union so basically when we because one of doc's is 1st editorials was that we would record record and recognize the struggles of the 1st editorials was that we would record record and recognize the struggles of the population and recognize the revolutionary potential of these struggles and so would population and recognize the revolutionary potential of these struggles and so we basically went to dest immigrant communities and talked to people we basically went to just immigrant communities and talked to people we used i was 24 at the time so when doctors suggested i should read used i was 24 at the time so when doctors suggested i should read the work as inquiry. i was

a bit of what but of course it now is inquiry. i was a bit of what but of course in our activism we began to understand why. division was a activism we began to understand why. division was a of a kind that you didn't just go to a community have a campaign you had to know who the popular kind that you didn't just go to a community have a campaign you had to know who the population was where they came from where they were what their preoccupations were. where they came from where they were what their preoccupations were and what they wanted and that was how we approached our activism we were successful what they wanted and that was how we approached our activism we were successful in the countless police campaigns because that time is particular in the seventy's in the countless police campaigns because that time is particular in the seventy's i would say coming up to the eighty's police pastime

was to beat up young black men in particular would say coming up to the 8 police. last time was to beat up young black men in particular and the framing of black youth and this is now been accepted by the police themselves and the framing of black youth and this is now been accepted by the police themselves but what we did is we had campaigns of you know the trickle 12 there be it wasn't like 2 what we did is we had campaigns of you know the trickle would 12 there be it was like 2 or 3 people that big mass groups of people had been oppressed by the police and we then would free people the mass groups of people have been oppressed by the police and we then would go in and supporting campaign for them and we were successful in some of them and some of them we persuaded go in and supporting campaign for them and we were successful in some of them and some of them we persuaded predominately what the police were lying and others we were. predominant is that the police were lying and others we want us to write legally were fine because

a subsequent scotland you know. legally were fine because a subsequent scotland you know. chief said the police are an institutional race is absolutely and that would be something the police and institutional racism absolutely did not fuss and that would be some decades later yes i was disturbing is that. your one of your decades later was right yes i was disturbing is that. your one of your contributions in this book a lot of people talking about impeachment in the united states and contributions in this book a lot of people talking about impeachment in the united states and everyone knows about watergate that's a kind of point you make in one of your pieces in that everyone knows about watergate that's a kind of point you make in one of your pieces in the book and you're making the point that people should know about cointelpro absolute book and you're making the point that people should know about cointelpro absolutely. yes nothing nothing

people still don't know about no no no. yes no nothing. nothing people still don't know about no no no the black panther party which i have to say for many young black people including myself with the black panther party which i have to say for many young black people including myself before waste a day we were in this kind of black power movement as asians which were basically mini fourways today we were in this kind of black power movement as asians which were basically mini black panther party is we adopted a lot of their slogans a lot of their you know their ideology black panther party as we adopted a lot of their slogans a lot of their you know their ideology but of course later on when the book came out that i reviewed in 2 but of course later on when the book came out that i reviewed in 2 about about it turned it out. ahead of. the nations to the excess organizations to the extent that they couldn't in that.

fair and internet piece of a woman warfare and people were murdered in killed hall in sin against a gated by the f.b.i. but you're saying in your piece did in job creation by the f.b.i. but you're saying in your piece did in job creation programs for the poor and this is joining the beginning of the near liberal. action programs for the poor and this is joining the beginning of the near liberal factory. they were aimed at stopping the revolutionary spirit the spirit of the unemployed workers they were aimed at sapping the revolutionary spirit spirit of the unemployed yes so by that i think what we meant was that a lot of projects then came us so by that i think what we meant was that a lot of projects then came up there would whereas we had meetings with use with up there would where as we had meetings with use with parents with the black community to say what is the change you want and how do we get it and we believed it was

parents with the black community to say what is the child. you want and how do we get it and we believed it was by direct action and confronting the state that way they then came up with us by direct action and confronting the state that way they then came up with a whole ethos of what we called project tatton of having to deal you center. in what. you know that having. you sent to the. because coming in and that meant that the rules of the. sort of you know. that mean but the relations of sort of you know. that mean but. because they impose impose their own rules and restrictions on what to do within these institutions because they impose impose their own rules and restrictions on what they used to do within these institutions that whole revolution and you went this particular knife crime you know they're pouring lots of resources into that

whole revolution and you went this particular knife crime you know they're pouring lots of resources into it but what about the boys themselves is anyone spoken to the boys themselves about their to it but what about the boys themselves as anyone spoken to the boys themselves about their daily existence on these estates where selling drugs is your only option a daily existence on these estates where selling drugs is your only option and you attack these boys for what they're doing you know the whole post code lottery which is all and you attack these boys for what they're doing you know the whole post code lottery which is all about drugs but the big cocaine deal is the people at the top are bringing in the drugs drugs but the big cocaine dealers the people at the top are bringing in the drugs and these boys a very low in the food chain for all of this nobody talks about who these boys a very low in the food chain for all of this nobody talks about but we attack the victims of this whole economic setup the police denies that but we attack the

victims of this whole economic. setup the police denies that. they're doing everything they can and other writers in this is saying that they're doing everything they can and other writers in this is saying that intersectionality is so important race gender and class but. intersectionality is so important race gender and class but i mean have they been resolved to these struggles or even when only has to think of how i mean have they been resolved to these struggles or even when only has to think of how obama is revered in the united states obviously not from from bomber is revered in the united states obviously not from from the poorest of us as i do you see the book now in relation to what the poorest of. ad you see the book now in relation to what. what is talked about today about the

struggles of race gender and. what is talked about today about the struggles of race gender and i have accepted i mean people have been to meetings where they've talked about the book i'm people have said i have accepted i mean people have been to meetings where they talked about the book i'm people have said here arguments i do not talk about black anymore you got to talk about black women back and get here arguments i do not talk about black anymore you got to talk about black women back and they you know there's a whole incident intersectionality debate but one of the things that struck you know there's the whole incident intersectionality debate but one of the things that strikes me is where are the politics there's a lot of debate and discussion but i don't see the charts muse where are the politics there's a lot of debate and discussion but i don't see the challenge to traverse of the state the challenge jill dougherty which is basically was our bread and butter of commands to traverse of the state the challenge jill dougherty which is basically was our bread and butter of course while you talk about extreme violence in west

kansas over the convoys while you talk about extreme violence in west. over the carnival period over yes with and of course our grand felt $72.00 period over yes we then of course our grand felt $72.00 killed racism was charity been blamed again killed racism was charity been blamed again are we seeing the problem you just mentioned the politicization are we seeing the problem you just mentioned the politicization of a tragedy like grandfather but again with grandfather think that that there is a of a tragedy like grandfather but again with grandfather think that that there is a political strand in it when phil but very quickly with you know the visits from the queen political standing when phil but very quickly with you know the visits from the queen it kind of defuses what basically on the royal people started kind

of defuses what basically on the royal people started doing an attorney to lean in the cloud see that another contribution is by one of the greatest meaning that i need to lean in the tragedy that another contribution is by one of the greatest solicitors in british legal history arguably who fought for the irish solicitors in british legal history arguably who fought for the irish community when it was being beaten up by the police care of peers yes she's now julian community and when it was being beaten up by the police care of peers yes she's now julian songes lawyer yes tell me about she says something in this book she says songes lawyer yes tell me about she says something in this book she says to political actions are embedded in 20th century british history to political actions are embedded in 20th century british history 20000 black britons marching after the new crossfire

20000 black britons march. after the new crossfire in the seventy's and the trial of your husband in the seventy's and the trial of your husband. many people watching would even know the. many people watching would even know the. saying these are 2 seminal moments in british history jess figures through the galleries are saying these are 2 seminal moments in british history jess take us through the case the black people's day of action there was a fire in new cross and ok so the black people's day of action there was a fire in new cross and young people were killed in the fire it was a 16th birthday party the heir to young people were killed in the fire it was a 16th birthday party the area in which the party was held been known for national

fun activity they'd been a bombing of the year in which the party was held been known for national fun activity they'd been a bombing of the youth club before the bombing of a house called the sunderland moat bombing on the day mr club before the bombing of the house called the sunderland moat bombing on the day this is what the mother of 2 of the people at the party was told it was a fuss is what the mother of 2 of the people at the party was told it was a fire bomb there was a man in the car and then the police tried to turn around and say that there was a man in the car and then the police tried to turn around and say that 4 black boys had a fight in the party and they cause the fire so we will fight for black boys had a fight in the party and they cause the fire so we were fighting the police on that front taking statements from people going selves talking to people to the police on that front taking statements from people going selves talking to people but the anger was so strong we called

a meeting of which we thought 30 people were there people but the anger was so strong record of me. which we saw people would attend and 300 people turned up and they didn't turn up just from london they came from birmingham and 300 people turned up and they didn't turn up just from london they came from birmingham manchester so we've realised that there was a kind of national feeling of manchester so we've realised that there was a kind of national feeling of this really was the final straw but the something really had to be done this really was the final straw but the something really had to be done and so. we called the people's assembly again people even and so. we called the people's assembly again people even though that is but we had regular people's assemblies and in all our politics we always try with but we had regular people's assemblies and in all our politics we always try to politicize the people themselves more than than would be normal and we're glad to politicize the people

themselves more than than would be normal and we agreed in the people's assembly that we would have a march across london on a read in the people's assembly that we would have a march across london on a working day that we wouldn't do the traditional let's do it on a saturday go to working day that we wouldn't do the traditional let's do on a saturday go to trafalgar square have a rally and so on a monday we did and we gathered in a part of the square have a rally and so on a monday we did we gathered in a park and i remember all of us the collective there and other activists thinking was and i remember all of us the collective there and other activists thinking was this a mistake who's going to come and then bit by bit it just failed and as we march this is a mistake who's going to come and then bit by bit it just failed and as we marched children from schools people jumped off must buses and by the time we got to the

west children climbed some schools people jumped off my. buses and by the time we got to the west to blackfriars bridge we were about 15 to 20000 strong but when we got about 5 to blackfriars bridge we were about 15 to 20000 strong but when we got about 5 bridge the police were there with a complete cordon saying you're not passing and average the police were there with a complete cordon saying you're not passing and i have to say this is a young people who sent a message back to doctors on the bus to say we're being prevent have to say was a young people who sent a message back to doctors on the bus to say we're being prevented with doctors on the lorry and young people there just push through voted with the doctors on the lorry and young people there just push through probably would have been a little go at the girl and they have to buy the book for a bus then just finally we would have time to talk with the girl and they have to buy the book for best then just finally you've seen the kinds of accusations and

criticisms leveled against it yeah you've seen the kinds of accusations and criticisms leveled against it yes it was in this book saying she's useless economy doing the job. is in this book saying she's useless economy doing the job. election imminent no more do you expect against your action imminent no more do you expect against your calling the rent i mean the attacks on her been absolutely vicious men are struggling to hand i mean the attacks on her been absolutely vicious and when they're racing against racist sexist i mean the threats against her life that threatens to. racist sexist i mean the threats against her life that threatens to physically assault her i mean i have been discussing and the fact that physically. i mean i have been discussing and the fact that you know she has stood strong and still cared and i think is great testament to done you know

she has stood strong and still can. and i think it's great testament to done them show that they are going to see going forward a vindication of do you want to and i'm show that we are going to see going forward vilification of do you want diane abbott to be the home secretary the haha oh no way this woman is uses that to be the home secretary the ha ha oh no way this woman is uses that will cause that will definitely be part of the campaign as we go through in the next book that will definitely be part of the campaign as we go through in the next allow thank you that's it for the show in a 2nd we'll hear music from race today inspired poet thank you that's it for the show in a 2nd we'll hear music from race today inspired poet and actor benjamin stuff and i will be back on the eve of boris johnson scheduled breck's that day but actor benjamin zeph and i will be back on the eve of boris johnson scheduled breck's that day but as u.k. media melts down we will bring you we're going underground special focusing on

austerity with ledgers u.k. media meltdown we will bring you are going on the ground special focusing on austerity with legendary film director and writer joe ken loach and paul laverty has been tough and i when refilm director and writer joe ken loach and paul laverty has been so often i was revolutionary minds. revolutionary minds. syria. syria. syria. syria. is the rhythms of. the rhythms. of the function.

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the pentagon congratulates itself on killing islamic states lead us to the pentagon congratulates itself on killing islamic states leader saying the us is on wavering in its commitment to tackling terrorism saying the us is on wavering in its commitment to tackling terrorism. the united states more than any other nation in the world but says the united states well. than any other nation in the world but this is the power and the will to hunt to the ends of the earth those who wish to

bring harm upon the american people and. the british prime minister the power and the will to hunt to the ends of the earth those who wish to bring harm upon the american people and. the british prime minister's 3rd attempt to get an early election is rejected by color meant that he used his 3rd attempt to get an early election is rejected by calling meant the e.u. agreed to extend the breaks it deadline by another 3 months. to extend the breaks it deadline by another 3 months. and hong kong has gripped by a 21st weekend of violence. and hong kong days gripped by a 21st weekend of violent unrest we look at how the protesters are driving investment away from the financial hot unrest we look at how the protesters are driving investment away from the financial hard.