i'm after a time they were going underground on the day of an alleged what. i'm after a time they were going underground on the day of an alleged whitewash of an investigation into one of britain's worst tower block fires grand fell whitewash of an investigation into one of britain's worst tower block fires grand fell this is the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement agrees to fire the starting gun this is the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement agrees to fire the starting gun for the next british general election after the un successive new liberal u.k. governments over the next british general election after the un accused successive neo liberal u.k. governments of callous policies driven by their political desire for social reengineering because of callous policies driven by the political desire for social reengineering coming up in the show to work for us working with us here on a content to campaign for the coming up of the show to work for us working with us here on a contract to get paid for them to say this. to say

this. yes the truck every possible moment so from the on the bus or this truck every pounds alone or so from the on the bus or. decides who lives and who dies sorry we missed you one of the world's greatest cinema decides who lives and who dies sorry we missed you one of the world's greatest cinematic viewers palme d'or winners ken loach and paul laverty give us a world exclusive half hour interview with us palme d'or winners ken loach and paul laverty give us a world exclusive half hour interview for their movie equating the globalised delivery chain of online shopping with capitalism for their movie equating the globalized delivery chain of online shopping with capitalist modern slavery that's today all going underground the bafta winning director writer geochemist modern slavery that's today all going underground the bafta winning director writer can.

paul laverty 2 of the u.k.'s greatest filmmakers who for decades have been making films urging paul levity 2 of the u.k.'s greatest filmmakers who for decades have been making films to draw attention to some of the most overlooked and varied issues in society leading to the creation of homeless to draw attention to some of the most overlooked and varied issues in society leading to the creation of homeless charity shelter and inspiring tens of millions all around the world the new film sorry charity shelter and inspiring tens of millions all around the world the new film sorry we missed you out in the u.k. and irish cinemas this friday is a companion piece to their 2016 we miss you out in the u.k. and irish cinemas this friday is a companion piece to their 2016 palme d'or winning film daniel blake which looked at the arguably crushing effect on austerity palme d'or winning film daniel blake which looked at the arguably crushing effect on austerity driven welfare system has on the out of work sorry we missed you instead focus is all driven welfare system has on the out of work sorry we missed you instead focus is on those in work and

explores as 0 hours contracts dehumanize workers and normalisation those in work and explorers as 0 hours contracts dehumanize workers a normal is exploiting a sion reminiscent of the industrial revolution it was a family struggling to get by exploiting a sion reminiscent of the industrial revolution it was a family struggling to get by in the wake of the 2008 financial crash the father ricky deciding his only option is in the wake of the 2008 financial crash the father ricky deciding his only option is to join the 0 as online delivery industry ken loach and paul laverty join to join the 0 as online delivery industry ken loach and paul laverty join me now paul and thanks for both being on going underground once again people watching you now all thanks for both being all going underground once again people watching this right now know all about the fact that they're buying things online this right now know all about the fact that they're buying things online. getting home delivery of goods this film the word choice i'm getting

home delivery of goods this film the word choice comes up again and again in the 1st 510 minutes why the simple word choice comes up again and again in the 1st 510 minutes why the simple word choice. well this is the propaganda. well this is the propaganda that persuades people to exploit themselves rather than beer that persuades people to exploit themselves rather than be a worker in the normal conditions with workers rights as an employee worker in the normal conditions with workers rights as an employee and the management and business has chosen to find ways of and the management and business has chosen to find ways of or needs to find ways of from their point of view find to be

exploiting workers so that they need to find ways of from their point of view find to be exploiting workers so that they they cut the cost of labor they cut the cost of labor by having people know if they cut the cost of labor they cut the cost of labor by having people know it's seen as employees but is so-called self employed delivering services in his employees but is so-called self employed delivering services. if they're self employed delivering services they have no trade union rights if they're self employed delivering services they have no trade union rights they have no holiday pay their sick pay they tell you all take all the risks in that they have no holiday pay their sick pay they tell you will take all the risks in this case of drivers. hiring their own van of buying their own van in this case of drivers. hiring their own van of buying their own van incurring costs and

terrorist think. and get their way and you just get they did is they depend depend on totally on the hours they put in and then my need to work 12 hours a day to get a basic living totally on the hours they put in and then my need to work 12 hours a day to get a basic living wage so the increase in exploitation is massive in way so the increase in exploitation is massive it's a perfect system for the employer because they can turn the labor on and off like a tap it's a perfect system for the employer because they can turn the labor on and off like a tap but it's presented as a choice for the poor man or woman but it's presented as a choice for the poor man or woman who has to spend their lives working for this company. who has to spend their lives working for this company.

isn't getting good feedback from the right. it is. just simply in the fun with the on suddenly gone. with the on suddenly gone. so it never. say never. yeah it is. yeah it is but it's all franchise when old dissertations are written about how these films made by a camera puts our franchise when old dissertations are written about how these films were made but i can report i mean as the writer conscious that you had that word choice in those initial i mean as the writer conscious that you had that word choice in those initial stages in the form an equivalent form and for ricky the

stages in the form an equivalent form and for ricky the star of the film he says it's your choice of freedom it's a great start to fill he says it's your choice of freedom it's a great conjuring trick it is as ken says you know him and then i mean he talks a driver's conjuring trick as ken says you know him and then i mean you talk to drivers and your with them and then went on to the day it was very hard to fake it with the so busy and so tired but well known to the day it was the sweetest some let me travel with them on the love of the parsons and you know with them and then went on to the day it was very hard to fake it with the so busy and so tired but well known to the day it was the speed is something to let me travel with them on the love of the parsons and the devil is always in the detail and naming you see the. and the devil is always in the detail and then when you see there the and you

live it moment by moment over an entire shift and you see them at 11 hours drive and you live it moment by moment over an entire shift and you see them at 11 hours driving and that's tied to the scan of the call that you know the handheld device and everything enough tied to the scanner the call that you know the handheld device and every single moment every single movement attracts what they do that in the very single moment every single movement attracts what they do they can telephone they can scan they can do absolutely everything with it and then at the end of this is it's telephone they can scan they can do absolutely everything with it and then at the end of this is it's your choice i mean it's orwellian it really is a william is like amazon with of your choice i mean it's orwellian it really is a william is like amazon with the fulfillment centers but when you see someone what can lay it out every single moment of the day as more fulfillment centers but when you see someone walking like god every single moment of the day is more not art you

know it's absolute total. not art you know it's absolute total. tax on. my time on. my tag. was loads of good you believe so i believe she's from out of. place was loads of money but so i believe she's from out of captaincy remains. he is also the best. of the city remains. he is also the best man as they are of course they're always known as well chuck every moment. or most of them are always known as well chuck every passing moment the front door and the door they report in the garden shed they know what it is you mentioned one of the. people in the garden shed they know what it is you mentioned one high tech company one of the

richest in the world they own the washington post of drug. company one of the richest in the world they own the washington post of drew obviously this one has nothing to do we'll give you that i'm sure here you are this is about a figure see this really has nothing to do we'll give you that i'm sure here you are this is about a fictional company yeah your very forgettable. yes i know it's a fictional company yeah your very forgettable. yes i know it's a fictional but. but the facts are there. but the facts are there they speak for themselves. but it's true i mean the taking in this speak for themselves. but it's true i mean the taking of i mean there's an involved in film production. they maybe ever i mean there's an involved in film production. they maybe maybe make your next film and then they say

semi then think. maybe make your next film and then they say so much and then think well the companies are available but i'll tell you both of you you know that the sun is the tory monies are available but i'll tell you both of you you know that the sun is the tory media is trumpeting the ideas of more and more employment in this country groups like the charges you need your is trumpeting the ideas of more and more employment in this country groups like the charge of the institute of personal development claim in fact again the economy in 0 hours contracts the panic is missing 6 years of personal development claim in fact the gig economy in 0 hours contracts the panic is misplaced is what these different forces and they have think tanks that are reproduced on news programs and so forth place is what these different forces and they have think tanks that are really produced on news programs and so you hear the think tanks are wonderful and you know what might suggest that some of the think times. you know you that they think times are wonderful only you know what might suggest that some of the think tanks do is they

throw away the calculus or throw away the forms to throw away their algorithms is this through either that calculus or throw away the forms to throw away their algorithms and what they do is sit down and talk to the daily life of a care worker as we did for this film and what they do is sit down and talk to the dealer waif of a care worker is beaded for this film ok and then you'll see what time the goat you'll see them getting on a bus not a good ok and then you'll see what time the goat you'll see them getting on a bus not to getting paid you'll see them spending time in the sometimes with patients with absolutely impede your see them spending time in the sometimes with patients with absolutely very very complicated needs medicines double incontinence sometimes demand very very complicated needs medicines double incontinence sometimes dementia and then you get maybe 15 minutes or a half an hour depending on your luck depending on the budget of the local official and then you could maybe 15 minutes or a half an hour depending on your luck depending on the budget of the local authority you spend time with them and saying you're busy for

a couple of hours in the morning you're busy for authority you spend time with them and saying you're busy for a couple of hours in the morning you're busy for a couple hours at lunchtime and then leaving for talking and then the middle of the day you have left dangling a couple hours at lunchtime and then leaving for talking and then the middle of the day you have left dangling there's not enough time left to go back and they see is the fish and you know shut up there's not enough time left to go back and they see is the fish and you know shut up go spend time with them speak to the people and then you can talk with some authority but they're going to spend time with them go and speak to the people and then you can talk with some authority but they are just propagandists and they have not spoken to people on the front line and they don't get it just propagandists and they have not spoken to people on the front line and they don't give a damn. down. i'm . doing no. look after 6 other people are going

see here oh you doing no. look i've got 6 other people are going say man i got him ok i practiced. having the time for the man i want to get him ok i practiced. having the time for the. innocence scan your previous films like ladybird ladybird talk about this privatization of company and your previous films like ladybird ladybird talk about this privatization of compassion what was different about this film. i think lashon what was different about this film. i think it's more intense and it's bound to get more intense the exploitation because it's more intense and it's bound to get more intense the exploitation because the whole it best into the free market

is competition and it's competition increasingly between because the whole it best into the free market is competition and it's competition increasingly between big corporations they compete on quality on price increasingly on price for a sions they compete on quality on price increasingly on price how do they do that they have to lower their labor costs they lower their labor costs by finding work labor that fit teresa have no responsibility no holiday pay notice how do they do that they have to lower their labor costs they lower their labor costs by finding work labor that fit teresa have no responsibility no holiday pay no sick pay no long term commitments harm far overnight so pay no long term commitments harm far overnight so that way labor is cheaper says this constant downward pressure on. that way labor is cheaper because this constant downward pressure on labor costs

and that means it has to mean more exploitation and in the labor costs and that means it has to mean more exploitation and in the last 10 years 2 thirds of new jobs are now precarious were asked 10 years 2 thirds of new jobs are now precarious work so that means is not full employment certainly not from employer book so that means is not full employment. certainly not from employment it is precarious work is hanging on by the skin of 80 and the next it is precarious work is hanging on by the skin of 80 and they know the problems of debt and deficit leads to homelessness homelessness is massively arming the problems of debt and deficit leads to homelessness homelessness is massively on the increase poverty stricken from precarious workers crease poverty stricken from precarious work as

b. . we went to the food banks and we found move more of the people. we went to the food banks and we found move more of the people needing food to put on the table were from families were needing food to put on the table were from families where one person was working so this is the working poor and when they where one person was working so this is the working poor and when they course telco employment being stable is the working poor they're talking about course employment being stable it's the working poor they're talking about and they're very happy for them to be poor because it means they'll take any desperate out of debt and they're very happy for them to be poor because it means they'll take any desperate out of desperation take any of this and we do want to make out that that spray should take any of this and we do want to make out that this is an intensely human story of

a family trying to get a crippling is a book this is an intensely human story of a family trying to get to crippling is a book that you kind of the only time you perhaps see the. you know you kind of the only time where you perhaps see the words of new liberalism that people might recognise from the news is words of new liberalism that people might recognise. when the news is you suddenly say the miners' strike that that occurs in one c. minus reagan more than rock suddenly say the miners' strike that that occurs in one seamless dragon more than rock is a quick succession of 20 way crash. those 2 but it's a quick succession of 20 way crash. those 2. or they saw him but i'm glad you make a very good point because you know what we're not we don't already saw him but i'm glad you make a very good point because you know we're we're not we don't say to manifest them

you know we're trying to do a portrait of a family that says to manifest them you know we're trying to do a portrait of a family so that must work forced but truthful stories resonate so that must work forced but truthful stories resonate it was a critical moment because you know and abby and ricky in this film it was a critical moment because you know and abby and ricky in this film they were process in the mortgage the boat to get a mortgage and if they had go on the property like they were process in the mortgage the boat to get a mortgage and if they had go on the property ladder then a radically change that leaves and for many millions of people know who can get a mortgage in a radically change that leaves and for many millions of people know who can get a mortgage there's not enough properties so rent is very very high and it's insecure which there's not enough properties so rent is very very high and it's insecure so the tension that creates for families is remarkable and so people on

modest incomes so the tension that creates for families is remarkable and so people on modest incomes more or more of their income has been taken up above by rent and you see this again and more and more of their income has been taken up above by rent and you see this again and again and it's very interesting just come back from him you know from france and in the again and this is very interesting just come back from him. you know from france and in showing the film and video places and it's not this is not just a survey northeast of england you see the show in the film and video places and it's not this is not just a survey northeast of england you see the same reality again throughout europe this transcends breaks at the same reality again throughout europe this transcends breaks it you know we were there miss or chamber workers cleaners clear drivers you know we were there me saw chamber workers cleaners clear drivers all what can make

model all precarious work all up to they are all fuel yes i mean all what can make model all precarious work all up to they are all fuel yes and many of them on strike and are seen no more so that as a fight back on to the surface who have to see of them on strike and are seen no more so that as a fight back on to the surface who have to see these connections different countries in front overseas a palme d'or nominated film for actually these connections different countries in front overseas a palme d'or nominated film actress and director. but because this strike said this is darker because she was and director. yes because this strike said this is darker because you lose your. universe in years for the. universe in years for the strikes here as well the strike of careers in east london so people off right here as well the strike of careers in east london so people are fighting back but i think it's important to echo will pull fed i mean if people

come see the film fighting back but i think it's important to echo what pool said i mean if people come to see the film they're not going to hear polemic it's it's a family story with all the if they're not going to hear polemic it's it's a family story with all the nuances and the contradictions and the affection and the rounders and the the nuances and the contradictions and the affection and the. the the tension between being and and ricky is tension between being and ricky is good parents possibly good parents but exhausted not kids without the good parents possibly good parents but exhausted now kids without the patience to deal with their own family i'm a bit too great because you know in the young a lot of the asians to deal with their own family i'm a bit too great because you know in the young life the recently say you know he's

he's 15 and a lovely present and the little girl is recently said you know he's he's 15 and a lovely present and the little girl is wonderful kitty protest you know she was that she was a close couldn't last and it was wonderful kitty probe to you know she was that she was a close couldn't last and that really really smart grins thinkin that she yeah there's just there's also what she wanted to be when she left school which is really really smart brianna's think in the year they should there is also what she wanted to be when she left school she said she thought of as she would like be a doctor i think there was this if if she thought of it she would like be a doctor i think there was a says it will be dr proctor. epithelium a bill that will be dr proctor. grove already. drove all the computer program. on the computer program.

but he never almost. always on spec he. was always on spec he. i mean every. time. i mean everything. yeah. yeah. the interim brains remain in jail and well on on a bit more security severe pain rembrandt's remain in jail and well on the on a bit more serious really really comes to health care there is what people might find really a lot of it comes to health care yes what people might find really alarming is the

story of abby that the wife in the film because the 2 had private i mean is the story of abby the the wife in the film because the 2 have privatized outsource contract is for the national health service or adult social care they don't outsource contract is for the national health service or adult social care they don't have a machine like ricky does but they seem to be operating on a machine with not have a machine like ricky does but they seem to be operating on a machine with the most vulnerable elderly people in the country well i mean it's so fragmented they're the most vulnerable elderly people in the country well i mean it's so fragmented there's different types of systems but tame you know many of the people we met again there were a different types of systems but tame you know many of the people we met again where they were trained they were subcontracted to a company which meant that 10 hour contracts they have to phone and they were subcontracted to a company which meant the 10 hour contracts they have to phone and they have to

measure their time as well. and what was really remarkable was when they have to measure their time as well. and what was really remarkable was because when it's something toxic killers i mean these people are not of money i mean some of the people we met with something toxic killers i mean these people are not in for money i mean that some of the people we met were obsolete james if you had the you know a sick sick parent as it were obsolete james if you had the you know a sick. sick parent grandfather you would want these people to be with them a name you know so many of the said grandfather you would want these people to be with them a name you know as so many of the said these all the people have got the rate at the end of adelaide suffer from dementia to see the same face these all the people have got the rate at the end of adelaide suffer from dementia to see the same face every single the and that's what they wanted but the system would know i love it and the pressures this every single the and that's what they wanted but the system would know i love it and the pressures they were under were remarkable and all

these people who accuse us of exaggerating all those think tanks that they were under were remarkable and all these people who accuse us of exaggerating all those think tanks that you mentioned those people say there's no problems with with with them you know with a good economy and 0 to mention those people say there's no problems with with with them you know with a good economy and 0 or contracts one of the kid assured me are for another day or their contracts one of the kid assured me are for another day or she was contacted $57.00 times that day big enough to come and she was contacted 57 times that day big enough to come and i mean i saw the phone you know if we had done the film people have accused us of exaggerate i mean i saw the phone you know if we had done the film people have accused us of exaggerations. more from them both after this short break. more from them both after this short break.

the world is driven. the world is driven by dreamers shaped by thinkers. shaped by thinkers. in a day or thinks. in a day or thinks. we dare to ask.

we dare to ask. all across the middle east and beyond there are large scale protests and growing political instability all across the middle east and beyond there are large scale protests and growing political instability in many countries the old ways of doing business only in rich privileged elites in many countries the old ways of doing business but only in rich privileged elite while the prospects for the many are few and far in between the elites have and while the prospects for the many are few and far in between the elites have answers to a growing problem. hence are a growing problem. welcome

back i'm still with paul levity and. welcome back i'm still with paul levity and ken loach then we cling to the new liberalism is what and lovelessness looks like in public and then we cling to the new liberalism is what and lovelessness looks like in public me it is killing the love these 2 people nearly well it make if it is killing the love for them. people that merely you know when will it make you under stress yes it's very hard for them to you know the weight of your under your sister and the best you don't have you don't have the patience you don't have the emotional energy to commit yourself to a moment of in the patient you don't have the emotional energy to commit yourself to for moments of enjoyment and for moments of uncivil x.l.i.x. aviation mission i mean i mean rick is rick is working to control the old 4049 hours as their day 6 days

a week at least maybe more i mean the 6 days a week at least maybe more i mean you know the exhaustion dries up emotion doesn't it. to begin by the exhaustion dries up emotion doesn't it. we're going back to will pull said i mean clearly clearly that social pressure will pull said i mean clearly. clearly that social care is part of our health service in real whatever how we organize it and share is part of our health service in real whatever how we organize it and surely the obvious answer is that if it becomes part of the health service and the people are doing this surely the obvious answer is that if it becomes part of the health service and the people are doing this extraordinarily important work our home permanently employed 6 shortly important work i'm permanently employed on proper contracts with

a set in each day so that they get the improper contracts with a set in each day so that they get a proper wage for the work they do and the qualifications they need and they complete opposite wage for the work they do and the qualifications they need and they can plan their own lives and take care of their own families any sensible it's the mature way to be and their own lives and take care of their own families any sensible it's the mature way to be and the idea that a casual workers wages go in spend 15 minutes to under sort and the idea that a casual workers wages go in spend 15 minutes to underscore the. old lady with dementia is just criminal and the truth of the. old lady with dementia is just criminal and the total lie of me as a kid so much for these older people but that whatever the children by call it lively as a kid so much for these older people but that whatever the children back on you

know and i think there's a agree untold story and i think we'll see the consequences you know and i think there's a agree untold story and i think we'll see the consequences and years to come i think we're seeing it play in from our eyes just now you know the cases where young people may frame means that in years to come i think we're seeing it play in from our eyes just now you know the cases where young people may have crane you know people left their own devices you show the domino effect and do you know people left their own devices we do. you show the domino effect and do school exclusion in the full school exclusion the whole saw a little wiser jean his 11 school exclusion and the full school exclusion the whole saw a little wiser jean his 11 she's taken on the role of a kid already you know she sees and smell stress stress he can on the role of a kid already you know she sees and smell stress stress in the family she wants to my manager church and she doesn't just want to talk a little of what was there to be faith in each other. you know you know and i think i think she's quicker and clever than her father for example you know but lots of

these kids and i i take it on she's quicker and clever than her father for example you know but lots of these kids know i taken on rules those should should be doing at the age of 11 been. in ohio and then the name unknown you hahaha having to go to get our teenage brother up and i was also a very i think there's a critical period 2 years to your teenage brother up and i think there's also a very i think there's a critical period 2 years too where if you don't if you're not with them and you don't see them you don't know who the with you don't know where if you don't if you're not with them and you don't see them you don't know who the with you don't know where the let them through you know and if you only see them for a short time you're tired and you're back in or with a living through you know and if you only see them for a short time you're tired and you're back on orders have you done your homework have you done this have you done not you know boils because i don't your homework have you done a survey done not you know boils. the capacity of those relationships to flourish

and good is really roots the heart the capacity of those relationships to flourish and good is really a route to the heart of family life in this market just what lies are used to being out of family life in this market just what lies are used to be you know what's hot sets more is going on just give yourself some choice you know what's hot sets more is going on just give yourself some choices my. sad let's talk about a cyclical ease my. i said we've talked about this you could call you or you need what can be like hoping to go off 57 round in that he'll go you know what and be like hawkins go off 57 round in that and what would in a course i don't know and smushed every week and just have got his problems and what would in the course i don't know and smushed every weekend just to forget its problems of course. i lost

a lot of those are the single jumps out there which of course. i lost a lot of those are the single jumps all their jobs market jobs this is just going to cool down. the social worker jobs this is just going to cool down. it is so small if you spread that around you know thousands and millions of. if you spread not around you know thousands and millions of people what message the cause and is there any surprise that there are so many people. cause and is there any surprise that there are so much problems with teen age and mental health is never teach with children as well who which problems with teenage and mental health is now teaching with children as well who which again of course is totally their care is totally inadequate she can of course is totally the care is totally inadequate for mental health some of the role that the privatization of stress when it goes to

mental health or mental health some of golde of the privatisation of stress when it goes to mental health but when ricky talks to his son about university i mean bernie sanders running for 2020 when ricky talks to his son about university i mean bernie sanders running for 20 twentieth's abolition of tuition fees they're over here there's pride from the liberal democrats abolition of tuition fees there over here there's pride from the liberal democrats in the conservatives that they brought in that in this film the. have to prove the fact that they brought a community in this is that. the city the protagonist there had a point just as the going in the open going to go thing you know and that in the coming winter coming out of the university in this country in the world really getting to 50000 chris at the death and then working in the university in this country in the world really getting to 50000 chris at the death and then working in the gig economy which the right wing think tanks praise. it's good come to me which

the right wing think tanks praise. it well once you're aware the propaganda it's very transparent it's a joke but i'm a well once you're aware the propaganda it's very transparent this is. but i'm afraid they they are in so many of much of the means of communication that the prey day they are in so many of much of the means of communication that the propaganda gets purchased you know the creation of the free market with freedom propaganda gets purchased you know the creation of the free market with freedom you know we talk about the free the free world and equate it with the free market you know we talk about the free the free world and equate it with the free market you know only game with a country of language that is very little it's you know only game with a country of language that is very little about them watching all consuming media

of any kind there's one scene with about them watching all consuming media of any kind there's one scene where they're just too tired to watch the t.v. . is it poverty porn on the t.v. they were just too tired to watch the t.v. . is it poverty porn on the t.v. the programs in britain they have shaming the poor or what was it on their watch programs in britain they have shame in the poor or what was it on their watch oh it was no it was it was a stag party in eastern europe i think where blood was no it was it was a stag party in eastern europe i think where blokes were getting how many in cheap burgers. which is just coincidental given how many cheap burgers. was just coincidental. produce of poverty porn i think that this did then to. produce the poverty porn i think that this 2 steps of programs one is

demeaning people who need to step to programs one is demeaning people who need help you know benefits street no less you know how these great help you know benefits street in a live rest. you know how these grotesque poor people who are obviously they we should just despite teske poor people who are obviously they we should just despise them and there's also the programs we're shipping in the entrepreneurs you know i use them and there's also the programs we're shipping in the entrepreneurs you know where where you come you can be a success you know you start your own business and where where you come you can be a success you know you start your own business. and the president of the united states well is no president if he has them and the ellen show others did as it here . but that's a good you know the worship of the arm and the president of the united states one

is no president yes yes and the ellen show others did as it here. but that's a good you know the worship of the entrepreneur the demeaning of the poor the complimentary and also the lies of this trip and the demeaning of the poor the complimentary and also the lies or that is so important when we saw this with ben we did the previous film i daniel bleak you know this massive kind of poverty poor me so this with me did the previous film i daniel bleak you know this massive campaign you know against welfare fraud and that and welfare fraud like you know pain you know against welfare fraud and that and welfare fraud like you know call for it should be should be examined but in the you know the general population for thought for it should be should be examined but in the you know the general population for 34 percent of the welfare budget was traditionally cleaned it was actually less than than 4 percent of the welfare budget was traditionally cleaned it was actually less than than than 0.6 percent so there's

a grandma supply aliyev rate of the heart then 0.6 percent so there's a grandma supply aliyev rate to the heart of british politics and of course that was fine by osborne and he says you know his speeches of british politics and of course that was fine by osborne and he's. you know his speech is remember the twitching window of the water the tory party conference so it's not an accident you know the vision of the twitching window of the water the tory party conference so it's not an accident you know they create a framework they create a narrative and again a thing is always a good question to ask yourself who create a framework they create a narrative and again a thing is always a good question to ask yourself who has got the power who's framing the narrative you know who claims about freedom who claims the world has got the power who's framing the narrative you know who claims about freedom who claims the world efficiency is like going back to a great friend mr jeff bezos one of his leadership principles as station c it's like going back to a great friend mr jeff bezos one of his leadership principles as speed matters you

know speed matters as much as to the worker speed matters you know speed matters as much to the worker who is picking up an item every 8 seconds you know that's not the speed he's talking about he's just picking up an item every 8 seconds you know that's not the speed he's talking about he's speaking to the speed delivered to the to the consumer and also the speed of dollars into his i begin to the speed delivered to the to the consumer and also the speed of dollars into his account but again he captures that phrase and it sounds wonderful he won't but again he captures that phrase and it sounds wonderful here the serious fraud office has just in the past few days that they are a back of the serious fraud office has just in the bust few days that they are abandoning their investigation to lying about interest rates for human interest rate sentencing there are investigations to lying about interest rates for human interest rate setting as opposed to presumably the fraud even benefit claimants or

will for another they've been reading a bit too i think as opposed to presumably the fraud even benefit claimants or will remember that in reading about it tony blair bonding the investigation into saudi arabia you know maybe they were just following president only believe it or binding the investigation into saudi arabia you know maybe they were just full. president i should ask actually it's just too much to put in the film that they would have been watching i should ask actually it's just too much to put in the film that they would have been watching because while this is going on here obviously the government is involved in all sorts because while this is going on here overseas the government is involved in all sorts of money spending plans whether it be foreign wars or whatever and the money spending plans whether it be foreign wars or whatever and you didn't want to just clip that or it would it would hurt the narrative i mean you have to be very careful you didn't want to just clip that or it would it would have hurt the narrative i mean you have to be very careful that things are now on the nose the you know when you're talking about

a story you're going to believe this family as porch where things are now on the news the you know when you're talking about a story you're going to believe that this family is watching what it would have been if you like your same posting stuff yeah i mean it would be just undermining what it would in you feel like you're saying posting stuff yeah i mean it would be just under my very delicate they think you have really you know deny fiction here i mean and you have to stay with the not very delicate thing i think you have when you deny fiction here i mean you and you have to stay with the consciousness of the characters as well but in a way the journey of the film is the journey of ricky's come to the consciousness of the characters as well but in a way the journey of the film is the journey of ricky's consciousness he still it's of committed to the idea of being a boss and making a fortune does he still it's of committed to the idea of being a boss and making a fortune well making the money to buy a house and he ends the prison in the cab well making the money to buy a house and he ends the prison in the cab knowing he's a person in the cab and knowing he's been sold a lot i say in

a way that knowing he's a person in the cab and knowing he's been sold a lot i say in a way that that's the journey rick is consciousness and i think also comes the journey ricky's consciousness and i think also. abis consciousness because at the end when when a husband has been beaten up and he's missed because at the end when when a husband is being beaten up and he's he's he's completely knocked about in casualty and he's he's completely knocked about in casualty and they're imposing fines on him over the phone for what for the accident they're imposing fines on him over the phone for what for the accident his driver for the destruction he's been in there when he's been beaten up i mean again his driver for the destruction he's been in there when he's been beaten up i mean again she realizes what a country she's 6 they've experienced and she realizes what

a country she's 6 they've experienced. you worked on so many films together is there historical parallels with you worked on so many films together is there historical parallels with this machine that we keep keep talking about the ricky carries slide rule and stopwatch is a machine that we keep keep talking about the ricky carries slide rule and stopwatch as being. something there's just a more advanced version as being. something there's just a more advanced version people of the control of work it will it's a good question because if people of the control of work it will it's a good question because and then in different moments you know we've looked at this bulletin bread and roses they look and then in different moments you know we've looked at this bulletin bread and roses they look to the cleaners and in los

angeles you know who they were exploited by these get on corporations and to the cleaners and in los angeles you know who they were exploited by these going on corporations again their intent los angeles and the very militant campaign to try and feed back again they intend los angeles and the very militant campaign to try and. by and with an aggregated and again it's a free. world you know with you then you know move on with expanding and exploiting and labeling people and and and and again and again and you know in no way and you know it it's you know if you work it work you know so as i said a common theme and i work on but i think it's also it's not bias and because so as i said a common theme in our work and but i think it's also it's not bias and because it's such a big part of our lane doesn't it is the dominant is the dominant is such a big part of our lane and it is the dominant is the dominant theme it can all make structure the extraction of surplus value and fame economic structure the

extraction of surplus value from workers by employers to make profits it's the simple it's from workers by employers to make profits it's the simplest simplest. account of our economic system it's simplest. account of our economic system and so and of course in competition the struggle for surplus value gets way and so and of course in competition the struggle for surplus value gets more intense and less take knowledge it develops the use of that technology to tents and take knowledge and develops the use of that technology to extract that surplus value gets more sophisticated it's simple story and we extract that surplus value gets more sophisticated it's just simple story and this began form you know from the invention of the. space and this began form you know from

the invention of the. spinning january was the industrial revolution up to now and it's simple and saving january was the industrial revolution up to now and it's simple and what is remarkable thing to this i mean has developed the technology seems to a remarkable thing to this i mean has developed the technology changed but those same principles you know were always there but even though like the financial times to but those same principles you know were always there but even the late financial times 2 weeks ago and also the new york times just a couple of days ago in an absolute whole areas article weeks ago and also the new york thing is just a couple of days ago in an absolute whole areas article it was written by a billionaire you said you know really we should be giving away one percent of our income it was written by a billionaire you said you know really we should be giving away one percent of our income and i mean it was laughable but they were saying if not the whole thing

could collapse in 4 and i mean it was laughable but they were saying if not the whole thing could collapse in a fall and because the any quality is new so groups now that's the financial tail and because the any quality is new so groups now that's the financial times that york times thing that's they obviously want to regulate it they talk about humanizing couple isn't because that york times thing that's they obviously want to read. a good way to talk about humanizing couple isn't but i think it begs the question that those beasts like you know above mentioned you know amazon the for the crush the competition is in the nature of the beast to compete so i think it begs the question that those beasts like you know above mentioned you know amazon the for the crush the competition is in the nature of the beast to compete and they must have one or the one that eventually so they did and they must have one or the one that eventually so they did we could regularly theel it and that is ridiculous why do you think people believed it then when britain 1st told and is ridiculous

why do you think people believed it then when britain 1st told and in china they call it the western economic crisis people were told and it comes back to in china they call it the western economic crisis people were told and it comes back to your word choice people have to make tough choices when where your word choice people have to make tough choices when when governments were asked about the cutting of public services and that's asked about the pen governments were asked about the cutting of public services and that's asked about the privatization of the employee . well i mean the idea capitalism of it as a surely. well i mean the idea of capitalism is very strong in it it's it's been the dominant ideology it's like like religion islam is very strong in it it's it's been the dominant ideology it's like like religion in the middle ages it's the dominant ideology and i have to say they did the middle ages to the dominant

ideology and i have to say they their ideas socialism is weak not least because they were happy new socialism is weak not least because of what happened in russia and the dominance of sterling in the purges in the girl original arrest in russia and the dominance of sterling in the. purges in the gulags and all the rest so if if capitalism if stone and had they existed capitalism or so if capitalism if stone and had they existed capitalism was had to invent and in it because it was the perfect propaganda for the west had to invent it in it because it was the perfect propaganda for the west. but i think the contradictions of this. but i think the contradictions of this system are now as intense and say blatant that people as paul says system on are so intense and say blatant

that people are as paul says starting to think again i mean the idea of caring capitalism is starting to think again i mean the idea of caring capitalism is is as self-contradictory cannot the name is as in self-contradictory it cannot the nature of the beast the line cannot lie down with the lamb the 2 things can they conquer to the beast the line cannot lie down with the lamb the 2 things can't they can't co-exist just very briefly i got to ask you you know that the chairman of the conservative party is just very briefly i got to ask you you know that the chairman of the conservative party last time around talked about your i don't know blake phil and saying it was fiction not a documentary or do you expect last time around talked about your i don't know blake phil and saying it was fiction or the documents or you expecting this to own much the same case say it again i mean that it put

a few 1000 no making this much the same case say it again i mean that it put a few 1000 mondays in there were 10 this is the come of yours cages tories and abusers i mean these and they were tendencies to come out of yours cages tories and abusers i mean it's yeah the best thing back in the day i mean. yeah the best thing back. in the day i mean. attacked. attacked. for using the language and it was the best thing that ever happened i mean it using the language and it was the best thing that ever happened i mean it started my career you know. tourism that started my career you know. tourism.

ken loach thank you sorry we. can't. thank you sorry we missed you is out on friday and british and irish cinemas that's over the show will be back on saturday 23 years to the mystery is out on friday and british and irish cinemas that's over the show will be back on saturday 23 years to the day after commissioning of britain. today the weapons. for commissioning of britain. today the weapons from the $100000000000.00 weapons of mass destruction for. social media forget the $100000000000.00 weapons of mass destruction for. social media forget. the.

you know world of big news. in a world of big news. and it's time. to do. and it's time. to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell. the stories that mainstream media. refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bath we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bath shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fly shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now point for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. are watching closely

watching the hawks. live. and.

let them live in. love with it and they have to be 50. and they have to be 50. in the u.k. an inquiry into the deadly 2017 grand for. the u.k. inquiry into the deadly 2017 grand tower blaze calls out significant systemic failings in the one tower blaze calls out significant systemic failings in the london fire brigade but with the spotlight placed on city and government's authority as firefighters are told barbara good but with the spotlight placed on city and government's authority firefighters have told us a list of the focuses of this is missing misplaced.

far far far far as it did not cause the farm town of not responsible for did not cause the farm town of not responsible for fixing from a frontal material on on the outside of the tower you know from from all material on on the outside of the tower. 8 scathing new report by human rights watch says u.s. sanctions. 8 scathing new report by human rights watch says u.s. sanctions are preventing ordinary iranians from accessing lifesaving medicine. these are preventing ordinary iranians from accessing lifesaving medicine. with the hungarian prime minister viktor orban. met with the hungarian prime minister viktor orban.