now many people are very disappointed by. now many people. very disappointed by your departure from the council on the human rights although apparently in that yourself you're departure from the council on human rights although apparently in the with yourself you're seem to have a lot of sense of humor about that before we discuss this let's just have a lot of sense of humor about that before we discuss this let's establish the context because i know that for quite some time you've been arguing that the russian society established the context because i know that for quite some time you've been arguing that the russian society is far freer and more mature than it's usually given credit for how far freer and more mature than it's usually given credit for how noteworthy was the summer of 2009000 in a manageable note for the was the summer of 200-9000 in manifesting this sort

of better than the given credit for nature of fasting this sort of better than the given credit for nature of russian civil society in the just civil society but society in general well russian civil society in the old just civil society but society in general well on one hand this is not the 1st definitely wave of protests and quite mass protests that we've had this is not the 1st definitely wave of protests and quite mass protests that would have witnessed. 2007 team every year we have more starting 2007 team every year we have more or less mass activity on the streets in various factions it is our last mass activity on the streets in various factions it is i would say that even for example 2008 when there were some i would say that even for example 2008 when there were some. protest

events also in more school we had more our violence on the protest events also in more school we had more our violence on the streets not police violence but. other. otherwise inclined civic groups like the cause arcs they were much more treats not police violence but. other. otherwise inclined civic groups like the cause arcs they were much more violent sometimes than anything we have seen in 19 and there were those violent sometimes than anything we have seen in 19 and i would also like to remind that one of the van members of the prisoners will like to remind that one of the van members of the presidential council for civil rights left the council as a sign of protest for national council for civil rights left the council as a sign of protest for these things that were happening so on one hand it was not

something new and these things that were happening so on one hand it was not something new and out of the blue because there is such an impression that we then remax the event happened out of the blue because there is such an impression that we then remax the event happening it looks like all the people who are witnesses to it were born yesterday oh reading it looks like all the people who are witnesses to it were born yesterday oh we are having young people on the street i think it's not just about the protests i mean we also had a number of we are having young people on the street i think it's not just about the protests i mean we also had a number of high profile cases that for example involved journalist yvonne. also high profile cases that for example involved journalist yvonne we also just going to galvanize just decided weeks before this outburst you most called just to galvanize genocide weeks before this outburst you most called. that was connected

with moscow city to do more elections we have this goal of keys we sure that was connected with moscow city to do more elections we had this goal of keys we sure as talking surprise us which was a surprise for me because i remember quite well when i was talking surprises which was a surprise for me because i remember quite well when i 1st read the news of the journalist being detained with rocks i remember my idea 1st read the news of the journalist being detained with rocks i remember my idea i was on the council then but i thought well this is these are media people i was on the council then but i thought well this is these are media people they can defend their own kind so no need to trouble myself about it they can defend their own kind so no need to trouble myself about it so i wasn't ready for the magnitude of things happening there so i wasn't ready for the magnitude of things happening that when they began to happen it was

the same time that society as it is when they began to happen it was the same time that society as it is was ready to react to what it sees as fear and was ready to react to what it sees as and fear and unjust and that's in line with what you have been writing about that starting from around you can just and that's in line with what you have been writing about that starting from around 2017 there's been a shift in the polls in attitudes towards public prowse and 17 there's been a shift in the polls in attitudes towards public protest i think the protests themselves have become more broad based it's not just professional protesters but i think the protests themselves have become more broad based it's not just professional protesters but kind of lay man who didn't take to the streets before certainly new people keep in a lame man who didn't take to the streets before certainly new people key. to be

protesters not just young people we tend to notice young people named to be protesters not just young people we tend to notice young people more because wes issues with them naturally with the future with tomorrow but are as far more because wes issues with them naturally with the future with tomorrow but are as far as we can judge bias it's a logical data of the general composition as we can judge by sort of a logical data of the general composition of people out on the streets is analogous to the demographic picture of this people out on the streets is analogous to the demographic picture of society in general the median age is 4940 are in general the median age is 4940 are but we do have people who are not as you see professional protest as not people who thought we do have people who are not as you see professional protest as not people who have been committed to

really going out since the middle of 2000 we haven't you have been to be too early going out since the middle of 2000 we have a new people out and this is a change and of the processes that you mentioned people out this is a change and of the process that you mentioned is called by scientologists the normalization of protest and this is a whim people called by scientologists normalization of protest and this is a whim people not who do not participate themselves begin to suppose that brought us to continue to pull not who do not participate themselves begin to suppose that brought us dictated to self is normal and should not be suppressed by the state this is revered self is normal and should not be suppressed by the state this is revenue thing for russian public opinion because previously it was manifestly seen as a dangerous thing for russian public opinion because previously it was manifestly seen as a day. ranger think that the attitude of authority is to progress until rangers think

that the attitude of authority is to protest until recently if this was also pretty mild in moscow i think the number of recently if this was also pretty mild in moscow i think the number of green lighted rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before the overall green lighted rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before the overall level of street violence was very very low why then all of a sudden the level of street violence was very very low why then all of a sudden in the middle of 200-1000 there has been such a. you know strong in the middle of 200-1000 there has been such a. you know strong police of of the of the of public protests not the least by their fully thai ization of of the of the public protests not the least by the authorities themselves there were some kind of tradition that in more scooters

allow or both urges themselves there were some kind of tradition that in more school it is allowable for people to sometimes get out on the street at the same time for people to sometimes get out on the street at the same time seems the change in legislation that wars implemented before to the change in legislation that wars implemented before 2004 to the price of unauthorized sanctions so-called protos became great you know and for to the price of unauthorized sanctions so-called protos became gradually higher more fines more days of administrative ferrous and then only hire more fines or more days of administrative ferrous and then being famous criminal code article to 212 being famous criminal code article 2 of 212. point one which criminalizes ruby to

administrative have found point one which criminalizes ruby to administrative have found during public meetings and religious so the prize was raised during public meetings and really as. the prize was raised by the authorities at the same time there were some kind of understanding that people can sometimes therefore it is at the same time there were some kind of understanding that people can sometimes do that what changed east's possibly what you call politicians do that what changed east's possibly what you call politicisation of protest so far as protests were seen as low of protest so far as protests were seen as local and based on some concrete grievances like the militia and based on some concrete grievances like the militia of a building cutting down of far they were seen as permissible but the protest of

this ill being cutting down of far they were seen as permissible the protest of this summer war political in the every sense of the world of the word well for me as a political summer war believe it go in there every sense of the world of the work well for me as a political scientist every pro this is a political action because it entails a demand for push disobey scientist every pro this is a political action because it entails a demand for push dissipation for political participation but authorities differentiate between political participation but authorities differentiate between well kind of social or economic forces for protest ample well kind of social or economic forces for protests and political there is nothing more political than elections. were about the recall there is nothing more political than elections and these were about the. lections so oh when we we've seen the sound of keys the

elections so oh when we we've seen the sound of keys the participants were not punished off towards the course according to our tradition participants were not punished off towards the course according to our tradition the worst thing that happens is in the during the really itself not during the month the worst thing that happens is not during the rally itself not during the march or something but what comes off towards the russian institutions are something but what comes up towards the russian institutions are often criticised for their rather image of nature and function from criticize form their rather image of nature and function and i personally see no problem with that i think fake it till you make it is the best strategy for us and i personally see no problem with that i think fake it till you make it is the best strategy for a self-improvement as long as you're faking something you're legitimizing the whole

file for improvement as long as you're faking something you're legitimizing the whole thing and i'm a little bit concerned the russian authorities have starved thing and i'm a little bit concerned the russian authorities have starved faking or at least stop thinking of them typically the notion that taking or at least of thinking of thumb typically the notion that everybody can participate in politics i understand all the insecurities and everybody can participate in politics i understand all the insecurities and you know that there are deep historic insecurities about political or anti-government protests there are deep historic insecurities about political or anti-government protest in russia but still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden they decided not us and russia but still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden they decided not to. those are appearances anymore why is that well their

parents are to keep those appearances any more why is that well their parents are kept in the sand that whatever happens even if we dislike it and we dislike about kept it in there sounds that whatever happens even if we dislike it and we dislike about what happens with the little limits of the law as it is written the law is written and sold happens with. the law as it is written the law is written in such a way that it allows great lexar to 2 law enforcement so such a way that it allows great lexer to 2 law enforcement so we didn't have any well this was a specific early goal reason we didn't have any well it was a specific early goal regime in moscow for example no emergency has been declared so it's all according to the regime in moscow for example no emergency has been declared so it's all according to the written rules but your writing saying that

the brick downs are off the rules but your writing saying that the brick downs are off the allowable participation in political life has been see that and at the same time allowable participation in political life has been see that and at the same time their human rights council whose fate we are supposed to discuss has also been their human rights council whose fate we are supposed to discuss has also been one of those decorated but not useless institutions elad to that question one of those decorated but not useless institutions to that question to ask and the one that i've been asking myself is whether we the council members are to ask and the one that i've been asking myself is whether we the council members who have been so active during those sick summer months how we've been aware or have been so active during those 6 summer months how we've been aware. dead by our activity we would be

in harming the institute are dead by our activity we would be in harming the institution that we belong to and harming only its. supervision that we belong to and harming only it's. should we have been more quiet in order to keep the council intact would we have been more quiet in order to keep the council intact or should we have done what we have not done in order to show our position public or should we have done what we have not done in order to show our position publicly even given the respect of what actually happened now it's clear even given the respect of what actually happened now speaking about your departure from the council alongside some of the other members we can about your departure from the council alongside some of the other members who have been very critical about how

the moscow protests have been handled not only by the law enforcement have been very critical about how the moscow protests have been handled not only by the law enforcement but also now by the russian court system do you take that as needed also now by the russian court system do you take that as a kneejerk reaction to you personally just being irritated by a sharp tongue or do you think it's a sign of jerk reaction to you personally just being irritated by a sharp tongue or do you think it's a sign of a more sort of systemic shift. well it hasn't been just a more sort of systemic shift. well it hasn't been just for council members that were dismissed the heart of the council for council members that were dismissed they had of the council the chairman well i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reaching the retirement age chairman well i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reaching the retirement age. you can write it off as

something that could have happened but which you can write it off as something that could have happened but we in your own case it's pretty notable that somebody who has served on the council for 10 months in your own case it's pretty notable that somebody who has served on the council for 10 months is kicked out because supposedly out of the river it is kicked out because supposedly out of the rich asian necessity that's hard to believe well there has been no or other explanation and the haitian necessity that's hard to believe well there has been no or other explanation and i must say that there have been no private talks with me i must see it open and i must see that there have been no private talks with me i must see it open and fair because it's true a no member of the presidential administration has given me and fair because it's true and no member of the presidential administration has given me preliminary

warning warning that they've been doing something over the top and that i should stop all in their you warning warning that they've been doing something over the top and that i should stop or so it was kind of a surprise although it was at the same fork so it was kind of a surprise although it was at the same time kind of expect that we should have been in a more difficult position had they had of them kind of expected we should have been in a more difficult position had they had of the council been changed the composition of the council remained the same because consul been changed the composition of the council remained the same because working with the chairman you don't either logically side was working with the chairman you don't either logically side with is difficult on one hand the council is a democratic institution decision with is difficult on one hand the council is a democratic institution decision. made by though ting by the majority and we have

the will the active part of we did hands on made by though doing by the majority and we have the will the active part we did have the majority we could pass decisions we could pass the corporations the majority we could pass decisions we could pass the corporations but at the same time the powers of the chair is are many but at the same time the powers of the chair is are many. and for example he alone off all the members of the council has a proper. and for example he alone off all the members of the council has a proper job being an advisor to the president so he can for example write plateau sign letters to the judge being an advisor to the president so he can for example write plateau sign letters to the fir it is declaring the council's position none of us could do that authorities declaring the council's position none of us could do that and generally it would have been an unworkable scheme aflame and so those

would have and generally it would have been an unworkable scheme aflame and so those would have been the your own problems in the you could have dealt with them in the your own way i think have been the your own problems in the you could have dealt with them in the your own way i think. even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council could have even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council could have created a very good impression for russia as a vibrant politically diverse society created a very good impression for russia as a vibrant politically diverse society where people can voice different opinions i mean it would have made for a much better idea where people can voice different opinions i mean it would have made for a much better impression than just this someone ceremony is kicking you out an impression then just this someone ceremony is kicking you out. and i think that's

somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually very particular i think that's somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually very particular about their appearances and this signals that he he sounds do you take that as he about their appearances and this signals that he he sounds do you take that as he's own decision because he had to sign on the your departure or you're thinking of. some own decision because he had to sign on the or departure or you think it was just find somebody in his close circle who perhaps thought that to your certain buddy in his close circle who perhaps thought to your services or your opinions are not the most suited well i would rather sort of misses or your opinions are not the most suited well i would rather surmise that it may be connected to the on coming meeting of the council with the president that it may be connected to the on coming meeting of the council with the president the council meets once

a year with the president the previous meeting was just after the council meets once a year with the president the previous meeting was just after the previous room of ation of the council and that was actually the 1st time december 11th of last year previous rim of asian of the council and that was actually the 1st time december 11th of last year when the new member saw each other by the way there were no preliminary talks even then no one at when the new member saw each other by the way there were no preliminary talks even then no one asked what are we going to talk about and i spoke what are we going to talk about and i spoke a little bit during this meeting on the same topic by the way that a little bit during this meeting on the same topic by the way that i had to speak now as an official presenter during the next meeting the had to speak now as an official presenter during the next even. so many of the things that you see on many

other occasions i mean you are pretty safe and you know many of the things that you see on many other occasions i mean you're pretty safe. political scientist you know social commentator i mean you have a big political scientist you know social commentator i mean you have a big viewership on you tube you have a radio program so it's not like you're saying something peter your ship on the you tube you have a radio program so it's not like you're saying something that people haven't heard before but maybe some people haven't heard before not everyone follows me on util haven't heard it before but maybe some people haven't heard before not everyone follows me on the you tube channel maybe they have up or other sources of information so it came as a surprise to them i don't have channel maybe they have up or other sources of information so it came as a surprise to them i don't now again i have an idea that the plan was to prevent and now again i have an idea that the plan was to prevent any unpleasantness

happening any words being spoken during the next. happening any words being spoken during the next i was wondering if the president cannot handle it or work maybe course he doesn't like it maybe one because the president cannot handle it or work maybe course he doesn't like it maybe because that means duration doesn't want bad headlines maybe they don't want the d. because that means duration doesn't want bad headlines maybe they don't want the summer revenge is he going to be plenty of bad bad had lens after words some revenge is he going to be plenty of bad bad had lens after words i didn't want me to explain somebody else's decision i am. i made me to explain somebody else's decision i am. i am in a difficult position because i am in the sort of have been officially from egypt to relieve me from in the difficult position because i am in the sort of have been officially from egypt to relieve me from. making my own difficult choice so i can

be only thankful to kill all that you can a shaking my own difficult choice so i can be only thankful to cal that you didn't have to relieve you of for another minute or so because we have to take a short break but we will be back in just have to relieve you for another minute or so because we have to take a short break but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. if you moments stay tuned. during the great depression which i'm old enough to remember there was. during the great depression which i'm old enough to remember there was most of my family were poor working class there wasn't it was best and most of my family were poor working class there wasn't it was bed you know much worse objective listen today but there

was an expectation of the things would lead to much worse objective listen today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. there was a real sense of hopefulness good better. there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america was shaped by the turn principles of comes and present today today's america was shaped by the turn principles of concentration of wealth and power. reduce democracy trade wealth and power. reduce democracy attack solo down to engineer elections man you attack so low down engineer elections manufacture consent and other prince holds according to no i'm colmes you fracture consent another prince holds according to no on comes to. one set of rules for.

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flu or the i p. r. r. welcome back to all the parties bit. welcome back to all the party's base and you can see the short among the political scientist and a former member of precious council on peace and you can see the short among the political scientist and a former member of precious council on the human rights and civil society if you continue to as you were shown. if you demand rights and civil society you continue to as you were shown. a few new members were added to the council including my call

a kettle of fish and ski who spanned more new members were added to the council including my call a kettle of fish and ski who spanned more than a year in the ukrainian prison on charges of treason and are then a year in the ukrainian prison on charges of treason and in the case of korea like in the case of former us prison there might be a boot in the brush in the case of korea like in the case of former u.s. prison there might be a bullet in the russian liberal or even human rights community it was. more liberal or even human rights community it was. more or less subdued and even the council of the tire you served in and did and a subdued and even the council of the tire you served in and didn't. raised a case all too loudly don't you think that this could be seen raised a case all too loudly don't you think that this could be seen as

a manifestation of political bias you know people who are speaking against their thirty's dire is administration of political bias you know people who are speaking against their thirty's die rights are protected their causes are defended but people who are more or less in line rights are protected their causes are defended but people who are more or less in line with the state policy is that a case is ignored. well with the state policy is that a case is ignored. well i must say the protection of rights of russian citizens abroad has been one of the i must say the protection of rights of russian citizens abroad has been one of the prominent topics for the council it is not true that the topic of self was ignored or prominent topics for the council it is not true that the topic of self was ignored by the council actually if you look at the least of people who are council members you'll see by the council actually if you look at the least of people who are council members you'll see that most of them unlike me

ahead of their own n.g.o.s their public most of them unlike me ahead of their own n.g.o.s they are public activists who have their own spheres of interest and who have been doing it for years to vist who have their own spheres of interest and who have been doing it for years so the key war prisoners lost and displaced person the key war prisoners lost and displaced persons families of military personnel are sold they all have it's families all of our military personnel are so they all have their own well their own themes to to pursue and some of this people quite of their own well their own themes to to pursue and some of this people. quite a few of the council members are on the topic of the rights of russian citizens of the council members are on the topic of the rights of russian citizens abroad and

the but. i haven't met him personally but i'm abroad and the but. i haven't met him personally but i must say that journalists have been so bitter all members of the council during the years must see that journalists have been so bitter all members of the council during the years of the council activity are a lot of quite well known russian journalists of the council activity a lot of quite well known russian journalists and media people who are on the council you powerful enough was a member media people were on the council you powerful enough was a member once i think it was on the side or kin there was also a member so i think it was on the side or kin there was also a member so if is currently a member and head of the commission on information revolution of his current lim ember and head of the commission on informational rights so it's not something new

but i guess what i'm trying to you asked so it's not something new but i guess what i'm trying to ask is whether because if you're a very active position on is whether because if you're very active position on the street protests and your defense of the people who would argue have the street protests and your defense of the people who would argue have been unlawfully detained or. have been unlawfully detained or. to strictly prosecuted. yes yeah absolutely i mean strictly prosecuted. yes yeah absolutely i mean. you know trying to defend what i believe in. sitting in the trying to defend what i believe to be the farcical thing he chair of the russian court system and.

sometimes even to be farcical to his share of the russian court system and. sometimes even the pharisee nature is quite contrary to the proclaimed the pharisee nature of quite contrary to the proclaimed goals but having said that i mean putting that aside don't you think that too much goals but having said that i mean putting that aside don't you think that too much attention to one topic in this case the street protestant and the the attention to one topic in this case the street protestant the the the rides given by the constitution on public assembly has skewed the rides given by the constitution on public assembly has skewed the council's attention. from other north counsels attention. from other not less worth the topics the topics where perhaps the state in vast far

more resources is worth the topics the topics where perhaps the state in vast far more resources it also wants to be seen as doing something i rather suspect is the other way or does it also wants to be seen as doing something i rather suspect it's the other way around we weren't doing a lot of things and what took most of my time and around we weren't doing a lot of things and what to keep most of my time and resources during my short stay on the council wars not defending president resources during my short stay on the council wars not. protesters these were these few weeks where we could not if we waited. these were these few weeks where we could not if we waited paying attention to these people need help immediately but during this months paying attention to these people need help immediately but during this months what i most pride myself

on as a former council member are 2 things today most pride myself on as a former council member are 2 things 2 directions of activity 1st it's legislation against domestic violence i was one of the corrections of activity 1st it's legislation against domestic violence i was one of the core cheers all of the working group dedicated to developing this legislation and i do the cheers of the working group dedicated to developing this legislation and i do think that we made the mains in progress we came in time we were like you with the timing the think that we made in mainz in progress we came in time we were like you with the timing like is not the right word but this wasn't constellation of fact help us a lot with pushing forward like he's not the right word but this wasn't constellation of fact how a lot with pushing forward this agenda and 2nd thing 2nd thing that i must say wars are organizing us this agenda and 2nd thing 2nd thing that i must say wars are organizing a special meeting of the council devoted to the rights of people you mandolins to

tell and this is your national meeting of the council devoted to the rights of people you mandolins to tend your efforts to try to reform that whole system of psychiatric institutions in russia and to efforts to try to reform that whole system of psychiatric institutions in russia and to to also to promote legislation defending those people and it does raise to me actually berger going to mine actually to also to promote legislation defending those people and it does raise to me actually berger going to my next question because i think on these and other problems which affect millions of people this question because i think on these and other problems which affect millions of people. all this state seems to be far more open to criticism and far more amenable to change the seems to be far more open to criticism and far more amenable to change than street politics and i understand it's a false dichotomy i'm not trying to even just than street politics and i understand it's a false dichotomy i'm not trying to even joy here but isn't it also true that people

who are really in the vast that or it here but isn't it also true that people who are really in the vast that into changing russia are no doing that on the streets you say we pay too much attention to bullets changing rush i know doing that on the streets you say we pay too much attention to politicize 3 protos to the detriment of other more important topics i think is the other way around peta size 3 protos to the detriment of other more important topics i think is the other way around people who make decisions made more attention to the fact a few who make decisions made more attention to the fact of you going to a police station to meet with detained people than to any other sort of going to a police station to meet with detained people than to any other sort of work that you do so the screwing as you say it is not is a matter of work that you do so the screwing as you say it is not is unless it's

another good either or i'm just i guess trying to have a broader discussion on the side is another good either or i'm just i guess trying to have a broader discussion on the what is the most. the bast and the most efficient way of what is the most. the bast and the most efficient way of changing russia i'm sure you have nothing but respect for people like new changing russia i'm sure you have nothing but respect for people like you to fear that for their master who almost singlehandedly created and is now scaling this if it for their master who almost singlehandedly created and is now. jailing the system of penalties and shirish speaker a prominent speaker on our special magic salute and she missed him of penetration shirish speaker a prominent speaker on our special magic salute and she she has her own very interesting way of working with russian authorities reach she has her own very interesting way of working with russian authorities reach you know i think it's

almost a gender quality because many of the russian politicians and males within you know i think it's almost a gender quality because many of the russian politicians and males with this very strong protector image and a lot of russian social innovators a women's very strong protector image and a lot of russian social innovators are women who do not try to confront those authorities directly who do not try to appear men who do not try to confront those authorities directly who do not try to appeal to their sort of all nerd culture values but rather find their will to their sort of all nurture culture values but rather find their way of working around it i'm not saying isn't that better. moral working around it i'm not saying it isn't that better in moral terms but isn't that more efficient way of achieving something in russia for the benefit of the peers but isn't that more efficient way of achieving something in russia for the benefit of the people not for the benefit of your political agenda both ways are pretty

difficult if you ask people not for the benefit of your political agenda both ways are pretty difficult if you ask for that message and she's i think the best acquaintance i've made i asked for this on the council for that message and she is i think the best acquaintance i've made i asked for this on the council and actually the best thing i've done for myself is creating this network. and actually the best thing i've done for myself is creating this network of connection with people on and these are the some of the best people in russia action with people on n.g.o.s these are the some of the best. in russia our civic activists on this social side i do hope the actual most of them are our civic activists on this social side i do hope the actual most of them are women most of them are women and they are amazing and things that they do with me most of them are women and they are amazing and things that they do surpasses the wildest imagination but if you

ask her she'll tell you that where are surpasses the wildest imagination but if you ask her she'll tell you that we're making very slow progress this mental institution thing on the legislation that they do it is making very slow progress this mental institution thing and the legislation that they do it is meeting with tremendous difficulties because you have objections on the part of the presidential their meeting with tremendous difficulties because you have objections on the part of the presidential direct route legal director in the presidential administration and surprisingly are a little directorate in the presidential administration and surprisingly our allies in this specific case the russian orthodox church but our allies in this specific case the russian orthodox church but still we can't couldn't till this point move this bit of legislation still we can't couldn't till this point move this bit of legislation on so it's as difficult to define street protesters as to defend or so

it's as difficult to define street protesters as to defend no systematically different battle of the position of mental institutions inmates systematically different battle of the position of mental institutions inmates so i don't think that there is one way or the other we see how for that so i don't think that there is one way or the other we see how for the message across your bones she declined to participate in moscow city to do a sort of draw secure bonds she declined to participate in. into the elections and i think it was one of the best thing because she was also asked about elections and i think it was one of the best thing because she was also very very critical of the federal authorities and a face that very very critical of the federal authorities and faced absolutely no

punishment for the she she in fact she was given a bigger mandate and i think salute you know punishment for the she she in fact she was given a bigger mandate and i think that film are a lot for authorities to hide the campaign but then that feeds into these long running that show maryla for authorities to hide the campaign but then that feeds into these long running after it by the russian authorities to kind of deep politicize this effort by the russian authorities to kind of deep politicize the social and economic sectors from the political sectors you dislike the trend but don't see social and economic sectors from the political sectors you dislike the trend but don't you think there is a basis for the real basis for it given how all for being there there is a basis for the real basis for it given how often the human rights ryall has been used politically by the human rights ryall has been used politically by russian and do you feel italy by russian adversaries. i'm

a big fan of kruschen and do you feel it equally by russian adversaries. i am a big fan of complication myself and of working with her for which is when i am to return to the ranks of a patient myself and of working with the riches when i am to return to the ranks of civil rights council i heard a lot of things also on social media and general civil rights com so i heard a lot of things also on social media and generally that i'm kind of working with the kremlin some people tend to imagine that the you get a job in the presently that i'm kind of working with the kremlin some people tend to imagine that the you. get a job in the presidential administration what you're not really spoiler you don't get paid and eventually ministration what you're not really a spoiler you don't get paid and that you don't have a proper job or so i wouldn't call myself a victim of a sort of people who don't have a proper job a saw i wouldn't call myself a victim of a sort of keeper bulling no never but i've heard his opinions are quite

a lot to that ceiling no never but i've heard his opinions are quite a lot of that since the political regime is really bad then you should not a socialist the political regime is really bad then you should not associate yourself with it in many ways so i am rather on the side of yourself with it in many ways so i am rather on the side of those and your members and heads of engineers who have to work with. your members and heads of engineers who have to work with authorities with the minister of health care with a presidential administration with a government that furthers because the need to bridge is with the minister of health care with a presidential administration with a government that furthers because the need to push their vital questions their vital agenda they have to defend those people to push their vital questions their vital agenda they have to defend those people whom they defend they will continue

doing this i will continue defend they will continue doing this i will continue doing what i can i have no i have had no meetings senior doing what i can am i have no i have had no meetings with authorities warning me to shut up and stop doing what i'm doing so with authorities warning me to shut up and stop doing what i'm doing so i'm no longer in the council but that doesn't change my i would say either logical outlook i still think that the russian state apparatus is a big clumps if the. i'm no longer in the council but that doesn't change my i would say either logical outlook i still think that the russian state apparatus is a big thing and that it tries to govern everything that happens in russia so if we want that it tries to govern everything that happens in russia so if we want change

we can bypass the governmental machine i don't know if you would agree a change we can bypass the governmental machine i don't know if you would agree with me or not but i think there is indeed an unhealthy tendency to with me or not but i think there is indeed an unhealthy tendency to control things but it stems from very very very deep insecurities control things but it stems from very very very deep insecurity and rather than provoking that insecurity which i think many of the opposition figures and rather than provoking that insecurity which i think many of the opposition figures including alexina volumnia are consciously trying to do. including alexina volumnia consciously trying to do. i think the russian benefit the russian society civil society would benefit far i think the russian benefit the russian society civil society would benefit far more

from actually growing a circuit if way that you just more from actually growing a circuit if way that you just suggest unless you make yourself visible you wouldn't be heard unless you make yourself visible you wouldn't be heard how did we manage we generally manage to push on the domestic violence how did we manage we generally manage to push on the mystic violence legislation there were some. i'm sorry for interrupting you there were some. i'm sorry for interrupting you here but you were provoked defend you were making things now allowed but the you've won here but you were provoked defend you were making things now allowed but the you're not calling for burning down the house you know how you are calling for the change in concert you're not calling for burning down the house you know how are calling for the change in constitutional order you were not calling for hanging your

opponents on the streets that you should know or you were not calling for hanging your opponents on the streets. yeah absolutely but i mean there is a different you would understand. yeah absolutely but i mean there is a difference you would understand why some of the calls like that would make those people within the why some of the calls like that would make those people within the on their cultural within the apple that the culture is recall of these so-called syllabi key on their culture within the apple that the culture is recall of these so-called syllabi key you know law enforcement intelligence agencies etc how would it would make them feel you know law enforcement intelligence agencies etc how would they it would make them feel. extremely and secure well if you are too nice you are not being heard if you are too radical you scare off.

extremely insecure well if you are too nice you are not being heard if you are too radical you scare off not just the 4 it is but was what is more important your own support base because the russians are not just the 4 it is but was what is more important your own support base because russian public opinion in general is at least point a verse to. public opinion in general at least point of verse to. violence both street violence and state violence and this is a very interesting violence both street violence and state violence and this is a very interesting state of things. are the street protests in russia state of things. are the street protests in russia are i think the most peaceful on the face of earth to have a window are i think the most peaceful on the face of earth to have a window broken or

a car screeched is not just doesn't happen it's unthinkable broken or a car scritched it's not just it doesn't happen it's unthinkable. and the same time when police violence happens one state repressions happened and the same time when police violence happens when states repressions happen we see from the polls from this it's a logical numbers that people more and more we see from the polls from this it's the logical numbers that people more and more dislike it so there is this distaste for violence which may also be that does like it so there is this distaste for violence which may also be the fruit of russian turbulent history of. hundreds of years if you like fruit of russian turbulent history of. hundreds of years if you like people don't want lucia nor do they want mass repressions what we do people don't want revolution nor do they want mass repressions what we do want. change

they want gradual reform my idea was this is a good one change they want gradual reform my idea was that this is exactly what we stand for we are on the council but ever that actually what we stand for we are on the council but evidently the decision makers have different impression i wouldn't it wouldn't do for mentally the decision makers have a different impression i wouldn't it wouldn't do for me to blame me for speaking things he speaks so he harmed us for some need to blame me for speaking things he speaks so he harmed us for some reason. or it leaves us with a question that they have our own bodies. it leads us to the question that they have asked myself earlier shouldn't we have been more quiet during the summer so my cell phones you early shouldn't we have been more quiet during the summer so as not

to harm the consul as a structure. my answer at this moment is now is not to harm the consul as a structure. my answer at this moment is now we did what we've told we should do and you did it. how we did what we've told we should do and you did it admirers glee and of a lot of passion and with a lot of intellect and with a lot of integrity i have to say a man of a lot of passion and with a lot of intellect and with a lot of integrity i have to say i'm a big fan of what you've been doing the right thing to do as i am so grateful for your friends i'm going to i big fan of what you've been doing the right thing to do as well i am so grateful for your friend i'm going to our studio once again thank you for the meaningful conversation it's a pleasure to our studio once again thank thank you for the meeting full conversation it's a pleasure to pleasures all mind and then hopefully yours as well i hope our viewers can keep this conversation leisure's own mind and then hopefully yours as well i hope our viewers can keep this conversation going in our social media pages

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we're a system so yeah i've played this was going to say a little nervousness through the summer in the store oh yeah the full 40. 3 syringe story yeah the full 40. snap election on the way in a break see the extension in. the snap election on the way in a break see the extension in the bag the u.k. parliament finally starts to talk about the prime minister in the bag the u.k. parliament finally starts to talk about the prime minister and leader of the opposition clashing over all columns of things from russia and sold us designs on needs of the opposition clashing over all columns of things from russia and souls to u.s. designs on the. democrat controlled u.s.

house of reps and the. democrat controlled u.s. house of representatives has voted to moved on from simply shouldn't inquire into the next stage an open hearing presented as voted to moved on from simply shouldn't inquire into the next stage an open hearing from this condemned by republicans the soviet style. from this condemned by republicans the soviet style. the all the race to become the democrats 2020 presidential candidate. meanwhile the race to become the democrats' 2020 presidential candidate in the states is going to have a tie to many voters they just can't decide who to back. in the states is going to have a tie to many voters they just can't decide who to but. there's such a big push to just get donald trump out of office because there's a lot of confusion when there's such a big push to just get donald trump out of office because there's a lot of confusion.