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thinking about the relationship in cheek in that terms and after sort of struggling with it thinking about the relationship in cheek in that terms enough to sort of struggling with it for some time i wonder if it's actually a fitting metaphor or not in terms of what comes for it for sometime i wonder if it's actually a fitting metaphor or not in terms of what comes 1st but the terms of how the to encapsulate reproduce one another but the terms of how the to encapsulate reproduce one another yes i think of language as a part of culture language is a really good way there yes i think of language as a part of culture language is a really good way to make a part of culture very long term and universe way to make a part of culture very long term and universally distributed so if i make something like dramatically gender a part of the language we distributed so if i make something like dramatically gender a part of the language well all speakers of that language are going to have to use
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that structure it's not going to be optional well all speakers of that language are going to have to use that structure it's not going to be optional if you're speaking russian you can't just speak russian and not use grammatical gender no one's going to recognize if you're speaking russian you can't just be christian and not use grammatical gender no one's going to recognize you as a real russian speakers and so it becomes something that's then universally real russian speakers and so it becomes something that's then universally distributed through the culture the know the languages can lose genders can add genders that's tributed through the culture then of the languages can lose genders can add genders that process is going to have to take a very long time whereas other cultural practices can come and go that process is going to have to take a very long time whereas other cultural practices can come and go much more fluidly and may only affect some portions of the body but how much more fluidly may only affect some portions of the body but how far. could you extrapolate from that
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relationship the fact that english and to some extent russian a book could you extrapolate from that relationship the fact that english and to some extent russian and both adding to their quick to assign blame or responsibility does it have anything to do with both adding to their quick to assign blame or responsibility does it have anything to do with the curse aeration rates in the united states and the russia being. the incarceration rates in the united states and the russia being the world's highest it's really hard to draw a straight line from language to the world's highest it's really hard to draw a straight line from language to a statistic like that because there are so many other factors that also all play and so when a statistic like that because there are so many other factors that also all play and so we would have to do a very careful study trying to a lot is that even possible you would have to do a very careful study trying to a lot is that even possible do you think you can design a study to prove
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a connection the reason it would be a whole do you think you can design a study to prove that connection the reason it would be hard to do in the real world as big if we're going country by country there aren't actually that hard to do in the real world this big if we're going country by country there aren't actually that many countries in the world and so you very quickly run out of statistical power that's a technical in many countries in the world and so you very quickly run out of statistical power that's a technical answer to your question but you could do expect some smaller scale experiments or terror question but you could do expect some smaller scale experiments where you ask people to make judgments about. blame an employer you ask people to make judgments about. blame and punishment when they're seeking one language or another or when they've been exposed on a shipment when they're seeking one language or another or when they've been exposed to. more intent of language or less a giant of language in c.s.
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they make different judgments we need to more intent of language or less a gent of language in c.s. they make different judgments we use the example of justin timberlake and janet jackson having a wardrobe malfunction at the super has the example of justin timberlake and janet jackson having a wardrobe malfunction at the super bowl if we say timberlake rips the costume. people are much will if we say timberlake rips the costume. people are much more likely to blame timberlake and they also want to charge him to 53 percent more and finds more likely to blame timberlake and they also want to charge him to 53 percent more in fines than if we say the cost and risk is another watching the same videos then if we say the cost and risk is another watching the same videos now you mention the ability of language to now you mention the ability of language to universally distribute certain practices in english clearly
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the lingo of universally distribute certain practices in english clearly the lingua franca of all of our times. do we end this stand up front crow of all of our times. do we understand are there any indications or why it has been able to gain such a status is because there are any indications or why it has been able to gain such a status is because it's relatively easy to learn compared to other languages or other perhaps other factors it's relatively easy to learn compared to other languages or other perhaps other factors contributing to that. probably economic factors are the most important contributing to that. probably economic factors are the most important where english speaking countries are driving a lot of economic growth and allow where english speaking countries are driving a lot of economic growth and a lot. the innovation that spreads to the rest of the world
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a lot of places want to then speak a lot of innovation that spreads to the rest of the world a lot of places want to then speak english so they can participate in the trade or participate in the tourist industry whatever english so they can participate in the trade or participate in the tourist industry whatever whatever it is that makes sense for them but you know lots of other languages have whatever it is that makes sense for them but you know lots of other languages have held sway at other times often we look at a particular has held sway at other times often we look at a particular historic moment and say oh english has taken over soon everyone will adjust speak english sturrock moment and say oh english has taken over soon everyone which i speak english the amount of time that english has been dominant is actually a very tiny portion of historical time the amount of time that english has been dominant is actually a very tiny portion of historical time compared to say the greek empire or the
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roman empire obviously of them compared to say the greek empire or the roman empire obviously of their language is english comes with its own cultural baggage their language is english comes with its own cultural baggage and i wonder as a both escolar speaker of english is there and if you and i wonder as a both escolar speaker of english is there anything in it. you either don't like or perhaps find to imposing in it. you either don't like or perhaps find posing. well you know in any language. well you know in any language. there are going to be some things that are required and then they're going to be some things that are optional there are going to be some things that are required and then they're going to be some things that are optional. and. for example right now there is
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a big debate in english about it and. for example right now there is a big debate in english about gender prone ours right so. 3rd person singular pronoun gender pronouns right so in 3rd person singular pronouns he and she in english are gendered and some people are arguing nouns he and she in english are gendered and some people are arguing that we shouldn't have or. we should introduce that we shouldn't have or. we should introduce neutral pronouns or use the singular they are. neutral pronouns or use the singular they. i think a nice design for a language in that situation to make gender option i think a nice design for a language in that situation to make gender optional so that you can mark it when
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it's necessary or relevant and not market when it's novel so that you can market when it's necessary or relevant and not market when it's not relevant so it would be interesting to see what english would look like if you could relevant so it would be interesting to see what english would look like if you could get rid of gender marking on 3rd person printer it's the same way that english already doesn't get rid of gender marking on 3rd person printer it's the same way that english already does it mark gender on 1st person pronouns like i and we or 2nd person like you are gender on 1st person pronouns like i and we or 2nd person is like you right so do the same thing for a 3rd person pronouns but that. right so do the same thing for a 3rd person pronouns but that make it optional to be able to market when you will this is actually a very interesting subject because that option to be able to market when you will this is actually a very interesting subject because it. there are
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a lot of efforts of the we policing the language. there are a lot of efforts of the new policing the language of the english language their political correctness but actually law just leaving it for example in canada there were the english language their political correctness but actually law just leaving it for example in canada there were there was a controversy a few years ago about monday ting certain there was a controversy a few years ago about monday doing certain pronouns why do you think gender is such a controversial category of pronouns why do you think gender is such a controversial category for english speaking world because to argue with this is war english speaking world because to argue with this is you know the part of the world where gender equality is at its highest you know the part of the world where gender equality is at its highest. well i think one reason is that
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we tend to believe that the well i think one reason is that we tend to believe that the structures of our language reflect reality and so if in your language there are 2 had a structure is of our language reflect reality and so if in your language there are 2 categories he and she male and female most people then believe that those are the 2 relevant categories he and she male and female most people then believe that those are the 2 relevant categories and everyone should be divided into those. but if people come around and say harry's and everyone should be divided into those. but if people come around and say hey i don't feel like i fit into either category i want to be some other category that i don't feel like i fit into either category i want to be some other category that creates a lot of conflict interpersonal conflict in the moment social conflict that creates a lot of conflict interpersonal conflict in the moment social conflict. if the
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issue is simply linguistic preference that's a very simple thing and if the issue is simply linguistic preference that's a very simple thing to fix you just have it a neutral neutral way to what you say it's a simple thing to fix you just have it a neutral neutral way to what you say it's a simple thing to fix and yes i heard you say that pronounced close close. to fix and yet i heard you say that pronounced close close words are particular difficulty is super imposed the words are particular difficulties super imposed we also i think similar cases within the one they're trying to introduce the we also i think similar cases within the one they're trying to introduce the the neutral pronoun. so in the swedish case the neutral pronoun. so in the swedish case that they introduce 10 as this singular 3rd person it's
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neither male or female produce 10 as this singular 3rd person it's neither male or female and there actually were some recent studies showing that if you remind people of the use of pen and there actually were some recent studies showing that if you remind people of the use of pen in makes it easier for them to imagine people who are not men impotent in makes it easier for them to imagine people who are not men in positions of power so for example if you give them a neutral story like this person is considering renditions of power so for example if you give them a neutral story like this person is considering running for public office government office tell me more about this person the likelihood that going for a public office government office tell me more about this person the likelihood that they'll imagine a woman goes up if they've heard the use of the word henry so imagine a woman goes up if they've heard the use of the word hen recently. so this is
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suggest that that kind of study suggests that indeed so this is suggests that that kind of study suggests that introducing a neutral option kind of opens people opens people up to think about reducing a neutral option kind of opens people opens people up to think about things that are beyond the food is not exactly a country where women can know of for grabs things that are beyond the food is not exactly a country where women can know of progress of the career and that letter i mean in terms of again their representative in most of the career in that letter i'm in terms of again their representative in the women the in heart positions i think it's pretty good women the in heart positions i think it's pretty good when i was a matter of degree and the even in really good situation one can still read when i was a matter of degree i mean even in really good situations and can still i mean that
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leads me to kind of wonder if english is increasingly but i mean that's leads me to kind of wonder if english is increasingly becoming a vehicle for progressivist politics because when i was study becoming a vehicle for progressivist politics because when i was studying it and i was studying it as an adult and i was studying it together with turkish and turkish you doing it and i was studying it as an adult and i was studying it together with turkish and turkish you just learn you know vocabulary and you know grammar but the thing with you have to learn to learn you know vocabulary and grammar but with english you have to learn a lot of political concepts like gender equality sexism made a lot of political concepts like gender equality sexism male hierarchy or male dominance whatever i mean all those ideas that are near and deal hierarchy or male dominance whatever i mean all those ideas that are near and dear. to the american
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left is but not necessarily universal here to the american left is but not necessarily universal is it even possible these b. to separate english as the language of international community even possible these b. to separate english as the language of international communication from english as the language of the american political world view the question from english as the language of the american political world view you know languages and living things were there always changing to reflect the needs of the people who are crafting you know languages and living things where they're always changing to reflect the needs of the people who are crafting them and so when you're in the middle of one of those changes it always feels uncomfortable in them and so when you're in the middle of one of those changes it always feels uncomfortable because it's a negotiation and one group of people may be pushing for one thing and a group of people because it's a negotiation and one group of people may be pushing for one thing and a group of people are pushing for another thing but english hasn't been english in
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its current form for pushing for another thing but english hasn't been english in its current form for a very long so it's the most normal thing in fact in the history of any language that it sherry along so it's the most normal thing in fact in the history of any language that it should change should enjoy contingent in you can achieve a new chip in it she would change the change in english has been there in the flesh areas that infinitary lazic very dynamic and so and so and. i hope i hope oh that that as a new living on any object that is coming into objects it continues to reflect the values that people want the things that stick around in the languages to reflect the values that people want the things that stick around in the language of the things that people find useful but then those can still continue to chair the things that people find useful but then those can still continue to change and so.
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if a change in pronouns happens now and then in 200 years paint and so if a change in pronouns happens now and then in 200 years people decide actually won a different set of pronouns all together there are some new set of people decide actually one a different set of pronouns all together there are some new set of things we discover and decide about types of humans you can build those into but the things we discover decide about types of humans you can build those into but it's one recommended by the fans not happy. with the matter of evolution within that evolution another and it's another. thing when you try to determine day that it's the law our law actually. involved to solve it he sticks there in the early so that every throws over his history we have out some examples of about and what wasn't there very a very effective to do you being general general believe in forcing thoughtful
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change through manipulating or many even in forcing thoughtful change through manipulating or mandating changes in the language. i think it's extra dating changes in the language. i think it's extremely unlikely that a change would stick on less people the people who actually use the language between them likely that a change would stick on less people the people who actually use the language find it useful or helpful right so lots of things can be mandated but they don't actually get used to 90 useful or helpful right so lots of things can be mandated but they don't actually get used at everyday life and history is full of examples like that where there is some change that isn't forced from on high as some decision that's made and it just doesn't stick and it doesn't actually get used by people in real conversation or people if people do use it forced from on high as some decision that's made and it just doesn't stop step it's only to make fun of it only. ironically right and so the things that will actually stick around dick and
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it doesn't actually get used by people in real conversation or people if you want to use it it's only to make fun of it only ironically right and so the things that will actually stick around language ultimately are things that people find useful for communicating things that they want to communicate to professor bredesen we have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. language ultimately are things that people find useful for communicating things that they want to communicate to professor brady is going to have to take a very short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned.
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shows financially. more than anything shows financial. stuff people who are printing the money don't rely on taxes. the people who are printing the money don't rely on taxes to get wealthy they're not part of the real economy that's a does the same thing as saying that rulers and to get wealthy they're not part of the real economy that's a does the same thing as saying that rulers of saudi arabia rely on the wages of the people living in saudi arabia to get out of saudi arabia rely on. the wages of
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the people living in saudi arabia to get rich they they don't they just print more or pump more oil rich they they don't they just print more or pump more oil in the america the princes that run our economy just print more money they don't need the workers in the america the princes that run our economy just print more money they don't need the workers they don't need their taxes that's why they don't have wage growth that's why there's they don't need their taxes that's why they don't have wage growth that's why there's been a piss aeration because they're unneeded. and in that this aeration because there are needed. today there are good it is. today there are good dentists and bad that is the bad news in yemen the united states deems and madjid is the bad
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welcome back to worlds apart from the other but i did ski associate professor of call me just science at the you're going back to worlds apart from the other but i did ski associate professor of call me just science at the university of california san diego professor burd this kind of our send us there that well if you were born in the half submerged it's ghetto that you're very passionate advocate of linguistic and cultural diversity as well as multilingualism as a. linguistic and cultural diversity as well as multilingualism as a way all experiencing live. way all experiencing lie. to bouts of your ability how many languages were enough for you personally to bouts of your ability how many languages were now for you personally to make the transition from what you call and i released them to you made that transition from what you call and i released them to
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a relativist one that's trying to definitely made that transition and i think it's you know it's hard to it's a relativist. well i'm not sure that i fully made that transition and i think it's very hard it's hard to get away from naive realism i grew up speaking russian is my native language in the ne hard to get away from naive realism i grew up speaking russian as my native language and then i had to learn english from my family immigrated to the u.s. and i speak as i had to learn english from my family immigrated to the u.s. and i speak some terrible french and some very poor indonesian and little bits and pieces you are a very humble person a terrible french and some very poor indonesian and little bits and pieces you are a very humble person as well well into the indonesians because they're very kind to so they said they say that my indonesian as well well into the indonesian speakers are very high and so they said they say that my indonesian and that's good but french speakers are less kind so. i'm speaking and that's good but french speakers
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are less kind so. i'm speaking about your russian i heard you say during one talk. when your family was your russian i heard you say during one talk. when your family moved to the united states you refused to speak russian for one year because you want to move to the united states you refused to speak russian for one year because you want to dust for it the 2 fit in did you have a chance to overcome going to dust for it to fit in did you have a chance to overcome the teenage rebellion and did you have a chance to appreciate or sort of a teenage rebellion and did you have a chance to appreciate or sort of. russian they grew older i definitely learned to appreciate bremer in russian they grew older i definitely learned to appreciate speaking russian later in life certainly when a immigrated i felt speaking russian later in life certainly when
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a immigrated i felt like i wanted to be like an american and a. like i wanted to be. like an american in a. it was important for my social identity to be able to communicate fluidly or even just it was important for myself identity to be able to communicate fluidly or even just to be able to make a joke to it feels when you're in it to be able to make a joke to it feels when you're in a new place where you can't express yourself it feels like you're trying a new place where you can't express yourself it feels like you're trapped inside your head that there is like a person in there and no one can see that person and so the it the inside your head that there is like a person in there and no one can see that person and so the it the idea of being able to express myself food was very important but then when india being able to express myself food that was very important but then once i felt like i could do
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that i appreciated the whole while having their rights i felt like i could do that i appreciated the whole while having the rich the rich fresh and language and all of those references available to me for sure which they're rich fresh and language and all of those references available to me for sure to a 40 or the russian like rich may sound very harsh are you a 40 or the russian like rich may sound very harsh are once heard actress mila kunis say that when she has a conversation with her dad over that once heard actress mila kunis say that when she has a conversation with her dad over the phone her american friends think that they're fighting even though they may be a bone or american friends think that they're fighting even though they may be exchanging pleasantries or speaking to each other very nicely and exchanging pleasantries or speaking to each other very nicely and. i think
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spanish maybe talian mate have this. spanish maybe talian maybe have the same impression is it clear why food languages tend to appear mole same impression is it clear why food languages tend to appear mole emotive than others. while some languages sound harsher emotive than others. while some languages sound harsher because they have a lot of fricative consonants like if you have a lot of c. cuz they have a lot of fricative consonants like if you have a lot of sounds in your language people tend to associate that with harshness and some like allan's in your language people tend to associate that with harshness and some languages sound very emotional because they use tone as part of the word meaning so for example they would just sound very emotional because they use tone
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as part of the word meaning so for example mandarin or cantonese if you hear people speaking that sometimes it sounds very mandarin or cantonese if you hear people speaking that sometimes it sounds very emotional but it's just because you use rising and falling tones to change the meaning of the words emotional but it's just because you use rising and falling tones to change the meaning of the words it's not actually meant to communicate emotion so we tend to take certain it's not actually meant to communicate emotion so we tend to take certain sounds as needing things even though they don't this is what i think content wise russian sounds as needing things even though they don't this is what i think content wise russians are far more. comfortable with a good heated argument that it's a far more. comfortable with a good heated argument even them altercation than some of our british or german friends do you think the random altercation that some of our british or german
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friends do you think the political tension that russia sometimes. passive with the west the political time. sometimes. house with the west may have anything to do with the fact that rio is simply enjoying. have anything to do with the fact that rio is simply enjoying a good fight much more than they do. the russians definitely love being to read good much more than they do. the russians definitely love being direct and that directness can be and argument as well yeah and the question asked in that directness can be and are him out as well yeah and the question is whether that. argument becomes emotional or personal or whether it's just whether that. argument becomes emotional or personal or whether it's just the joy of the argument. certainly in an english speaking context i had to learn in just the joy of the argument. certainly in an english speaking context i had to learn for example to
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start my answers to even simple questions with i think example to start my answers to even simple questions with i think or it might be and i had to learn to do that even in math class where to be more indirect or it might be and i had to learn to do that even in math class where to be more indirect to soften it so you have to hedge it so if someone says what is. to soften it so you have to hedge it so if someone says what is 2 plus 5 it's more polite to say i think it's. a plus 5 it's more polite to say i think it's. to say it's 7 just to say it 7 sounds rude. and that takes a little 7 just to say it 7 sounds rude. and that takes a little while to learn and it seemed to me like it's obvious what the answer is and i don't need to say while to learn it it seemed to me like it's obvious what
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the answer is and i don't need to say i think it's 7 it just is 7 in my personal life i have to interact through a lot of muscle and i think it's 7. just as 7 in my personal life i have to interact with a lot of muslim people from various cultural backgrounds and they all have this common denominator of people from various cultural backgrounds and they all have this common denominator of enchiladas with feeling so they have very noncommittal in the answers when you are trying to show a lot of with feeling so they have very noncommittal in the answers when you are trying to arrange for them things and it always makes it hard to bear that you can a draw to arrange for them things and it always makes it hard to bear that you can a draw and asked her do you thing it's. it's more and asked her do you thing it's. it's more a cultural denominator or is it something the. language or cultural denominator or is it something the. langridge superimposes and. sometimes those things are
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flexions of the world that you live in right. sometimes those things are flexions of the world that you live in right so if you live in a world that's very predictable then you could feel comfortable making promises about it so if you live in a world that's very predictable then you could feel comfortable making promises about the future but if you yourself live in the world that's not predictable and people around you are the future but if you yourself live in the world that's not predictable and people around you are not reliable and it all kinds of events can occur then only a fool with the wire not reliable in all kinds of events can occur then only a fool would be willing to promise things far in the future right so think about. the american context it's possible to go and get a loan for your house that it's failing to promise things far in the future right so think about. the american context it's possible to go and get
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a loan for your house that it's a 50 year loan now anyone who's willing to give you a 50 year loan believes the 50 year loan now anyone who's willing to give you a 50 year loan believes that the economy will be stable enough in the 50 years that the money that they've run into now will be what the economy will be stable enough 50 years that the money that they've run into now will be worth amount that there are lots of places in the world that would be an absurd birth amount and there are lots of places in the world that would be an absurd thing to do so how reliable you yourself can be has to depend on thing to do so how reliable you yourself can be has to depend on how reliable the world is around you so the use of think often how reliable the world is around you so the use of inshallah i think often is a reflection of living in a world that isn't stable itself it's very it's a reflection of living in
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a world that isn't stable. self it's very interesting i heard you say once western cultures have a stronger interesting i heard you say once western cultures have a stronger by for progress that's partially a function of how they are biased for progress that's partially a function of how they conceptualize time time not only of moving but moving in a conceptualize time time not only of moving but moving in a positive direction do you think this may be some positive direction do you think this may be something that contributes to how they engage with the rest of the world being more certain of being contributes to how they engage with the rest of the world being more certain of being perhaps more expansion is both linguistically it we talked about english being so weighing perhaps more expansion is both linguistically it we talked about english being so
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widespread but bowl also another domain sic anomic political etc it's definitely noise bread but bowl also another domain sic anomic political etc it's definitely normal in english to think that you're the agent in your life and that the way that any formal in english to think that you're the agent in your life and that the way that anything is going to happen is that you have to make it happen and and that's your role is to change is going to happen is that you have to make it happen and and that's your role is to try to make things happen and to make change and to make progress and that's often how try to make things happen and to make change and to make progress and that's often how we define what is good is how much change and progress has been made as opposed to faeries and we define what is good is how much change and progress has been made as opposed to for example how much things have stayed the same or how relatively calm down pl how much things have stayed the same
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or how relative. vly calm things have been for how much you preserved. so that is a set of things have been or how much you preserved. so that is a set of cultural norms and it's reflected in some structure in the language it's difficult for all norms and it's reflected in some structure in the language it's definitely the way that we have been defining good. and culturally the way that we have been defining good. in cultural. time for for quite a while in the well. time for for quite a while in the west i also heard you say that. you wanted your new acquaintances of his or her to say that. you wanted to your new acquaintances of your russian heritage fairly early in your conversation otherwise your russian heritage fairly early in your conversation otherwise they would be suspicious has it always been
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the case or is it a relatively new phenomenon for you they would be suspicious has it always been the case or is it a relatively new phenomenon for your following 2016 elections and russia gave gumbo now it's following 2016 elections and russia gave gumbo now it's a it's a long somewhat state the end waiting for speaking less than an hour the ones like wait and in their spare take in that. sounds like an american english speaker to most p.c. kernel poll a slight i ask house i guess that light must be a little bit. and so if someone has met someone and has met and me and known me as me for known me for a couple weeks and weeks and they they then and then later learn that i spent the 1st 12 years living and in the soviet union and later learned that i spent the 1st 12 years living in and so the in they feel like there's something like secret
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in her strange they feel like they're something like secret or strange about me it's almost like i'm putting on an american accent even though this is really the only way i know how to speak about me it's almost like i'm putting on an american accent even though this is really the only way i know how to speak english and. i don't have another way of doing it do you think about filling. the suspicion that that was was there. before for the 82060000000 the god. why following. the election of the long term. for. the election of the long term. i don't feel that it definitely rushes around though that in mind i end up with playwright question as when they're out there on their minds. than people. but before that and. i think it's more that people all very strongly.
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more that people very strongly associate the way that you use language with your identity so you expect you to the way that you use language with your identity so you expect very quickly it can make lots and lots of decision social decisions about someone by the very quickly it can make lots and lots of decisions social decisions about someone by the way that they talk and so we expect to be able to tell lots and lots of things about people that way that they talk and so we expect to be able to tell lots and lots of things about people and their identity by listening to them talk and so it's shocking when we're in their identity by listening to them talk and so it's shocking when the language that someone is speaking in the way they're using language that somehow seems at the language that someone is speaking in the way they're using language that somehow seems at discontinuity with their identity then you feel like well what else is this person
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hiding how can they sound so i frantically american when in fact it's a lie discontinuity with their identity and then you feel like well what else is this person hiding how can they sound so i frantically american when in fact it's a lie now since you mention sophisticated vocabulary let me ask you a question about donald trump as the now since you mentioned sophisticated kettler let me ask you a question about donald trump as the linguistic phenomenon because. many people would argue a linguistic phenomenon because. many be. i would argue the he's particular is somewhat simple even primitive i know a lot of his work everywhere is somewhat simple and even primitive i know a lot of english learners who feel proud of the old progress when they hear it's the english learners who feel proud of the all progress when they hear it's the american presence in the us that kind of the matter of speech has proved very
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american presence in the us that kind of the matter of speech has proved very effective with with his own base how do you explain that perhaps the effective with with his own base how do you explain that perhaps the alec one as a prerequisite for american politicians have alec once as a prerequisite for american politicians have been overrated well i think different politicians appeal to different groups of people right so than already well i think different politicians appeal to different groups of people right so they eloquent politicians appeal to a different segment of the populace really i mean the eloquent politicians appeal to a different segment of the populace really i mean he didn't face the strong over competition the part of the popular he didn't face the strong over competition the part of the population that was very excited for example for the eloquence of barack obama are
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not the same people that are and i was very excited for example for the eloquence of barack obama are not the same people that are excited for the in the eloquence of donald trump right those are probably 2 separate groups of people so different excited for the in the eloquence of donald trump right those are probably 2 separate groups of people so different different people and different things but. he different people and different things but. he he's a master of using very simple emotionally loaded he's a master of using very simple emotionally. loaded language that is that creates very quick sound bites for people to hold on to the language that is that creates very quick sound bites for people to hold on to and he's also a master of plausible deniability where he can say something and he's also a master of plausible deniability where he can say something and claim to both mean
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it and not mean it at the same time so he can thing and claim to both mean it and not mean it at the same time so he can say we're going to build a wall and he can say well it's a metaphorical wall and really i'm just saying we're going to build a wall and he could say well it's a metaphorical wall and really i'm just talking about border security but the next breath he'll say it'll be made of cement and it'll be 30 feet tall talking about border security but the next breath he'll say it'll be made of cement and it will be 30 feet tall and it'll have do you think he's deliberate that you're cruising hume of these linguistic manipulations and all and then to have do you think he's deliberate that you're accusing him of these linguistic manipulations or do you think that's just a human or being very articulate i think we expect do you think that's just a human or being very articulate i think we expect different things from different speakers and he has created a persona no different things from different speakers and he has created a persona where he's allowed
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a lot more than lots of other people so if your identity where he is allowed a lot more than lots of other people so if your identity as a speaker is that you are you have 100 percent for acidy that your or your very technical or speaker is that you are you have 100 percent for acidy that your or your very technical or you're going to be correct in the details then when you make a little mistakes people are going to hold you're going to be correct in the details then when you make a little mistakes people are going to hold you to that standard that you set for yourself but that's not the standard that he set for himself or to that standard that is set for yourself but that's not the standard that he set for his. self and so he has asked us to engage with him as of this much more loose speech and so he has asked us to engage with him as this much more loose speaker and so that gives him incredible latitude to say things that he then can claim he both meant and didn't occur and so that gives him incredible latitude to say things that he then can claim he both meant and didn't mean and i think he's not alone i think that may
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go beyond some because there was an interesting study by me and i think he's not alone i think that may go beyond some because there was an interesting study by graham earlier recently which found that the use of less complex language from earlier recently which found that the use of less complex language correlated with higher poll numbers at least for the republicans and i think that's a very interesting phenomenon correlated with higher poll numbers at least for the republicans and i think that's a very interesting phenomenon because we're kind of used to politicians trying to appear smarter than they are but because we're kind of used to politicians trying to appear smarter than they are but. for the politicians to appear less linguistically sophist. for the politicians to appear less linguistically sophisticated than they are in them putting it in blight terms is pretty unusual just a case of them they are in them putting it in blight terms it's pretty unusual gee
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that's a big challenge to look dumber than you are in reality you think that's a big challenge to be dumber than you are in reality and you can use simple language and say really smart things it's a simple language and you can use simple language and say really smart things it's a simple language the idea i think is to say things that people can understand and importantly will remember the idea i think is to say things that people can understand and importantly will remember most people who are thinking about politics aren't thinking about it most of the day they're thinking about or most people who are thinking about politics aren't thinking about it most of the day they're thinking. about their life and things they need to do to feed their families and do their job and all that their life and things they need to do to feed their families and do their job and all that and so those little sound bites that they get have to be both understandable and them or both and so those little sound bites that they get have to be both understandable and them or bill and so
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whichever way you can achieve that either through simple language or visits lang will and so whichever way you can achieve that either through simple language or visits language or language that really connects with people's lives in whatever way i think that's going to jail or language that really connects with people's lives in whatever way i think that's going to be affected and finally a lot of people are blaming twitter the effect. finally a lot of people are blaming twitter on both the success of trump and the emergence of these hashtag culture when you are on both the success of trump and the emergence of these hashtag culture when you are under obligation to compress very complex ideas into a couple of if you character under of legation to compress very complex ideas into a couple of if you characterize them that. not only has to do with your to be more eloquent series and that. not only has to do with your to be more eloquent but i think it also develops a certain appetite among the public for
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a very simplistic processing of it i think it also develops a certain appetite among the public for very simplistic processing of ideas are you concerned about that or is it a natural phenomena ideas are you concerned about that or is it a natural phenomenon. well i think it's wonderful that lots of people are participating in the public and. i think it's wonderful that lots of people are participating in the public square and are able to state their opinions and participate in in which square and are able to state their opinions and participate in. in the conversation i think it does change very much in the conversation i think it does change very much the nature of the conversation when it is so abbreviated and so decontextualized the nature of the conversation when it is so abbreviated and so decontextualized where you don't know who you're talking
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to you don't know where they're coming from also the engine in the deal or you don't know who you're talking to you don't know where they're coming from also the engine in the a lot of the interactions leaves a lot of room for aggression or a lot of the interactions leaves a lot of room for aggression aggressive behavior that you know you feel like if you can act like a jerk because people won't know who you are as a behavior that you know you feel like you you can act like a jerk because people won't know who you are and what they won't punish you so i think they're both pluses and minuses with any platform and it won't punish you so i think they're both pluses and minuses with any platform with any technology it's a matter of how we use it for somebody it's been a great pleasure talking with any technology it's a matter of how we use it for somebody it's been a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for thinking so much for having me encourage our viewers to keep this conversation go here thank you very much for thinking so much for having me encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see same place same time here in our
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it does raise. a dimension of the. dimension that they know in the 635 and you have a what a career and career 635 and you have a what a career and a career involves using your eyes fill in your computer and things that have been in an office involves using your eyes fill in your computer and things that have been in an office and perhaps you sort of getting fixed a circular teeth are going to have to stop and perhaps you sort of getting fixed circular. you could have to stop doing all this and this is tell you lou the minutes must be free up doing all this in this total you lou the minutes must be for you my world became smaller and smaller and smaller until i ended up winning it
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