across talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow ralph niemeyer he is a political analyst we also have glenn these and he is a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia and we're joined by dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor in the smi internet media project all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated you know over the course of this ridiculous russia gate as we go into ukraine gate mass media has been telling us if you used the term deep state or a conspiracy theorist ok something's changed though or you could say the deep state is finally beginning to speak with listen to this video clip here gentlemen let's go play god for the state. i think you know everyone here has seen this progression of diplomats and

intelligence officers and white house people tripping up to capitol hill right now and saying these are people who are doing their duty you are responding to a higher call. higher tall claim he's making a reference to people that are unelected. and also telling us that these elected officials they have the right and even obligation maybe even moral obligation to disagree and obstruct elected official the president of the united states and well that has been part of the development of this narrative about the deep state that is 1st of all that has existed and it's recognized that yes it does exist but it's a good thing because it's a good thing it helps well there are good because they help to put a check on trump his success and that's what we believe that's what we have congress for and that's what we have the courts for exactly and that's the thing because this ng and you know this really standing up for the constitution and the

american people however the american system over it has a check on power that is you don't have 6 i could branch which you have the legislative and the judiciary so what this really could even see in the media is also those of you know 4th of. the recognizing that this is a 4th branch of power that is. going to be conceptualized as being this bureaucracy or intelligence services so you're a cia n.s.a. if and if they have a role in order to put a check on the disruption of trump now this is obviously problematic for a lot of reasons one for one statement i'm just going to look to us of this there he said you know i want to renegotiate their thing all our economic deals. nato is perhaps obsolete they want to get rid of the wars so the purpose of this 4th branch of power the deep state would then be to maintain the status quo or thomas friedman it's like the status quo they seem to think ok well then what do we need elected officials for i mean if they're if they're already in charge they're going to be

making decisions why do we need to elect officials i mean it seems to me that they know they claim to know better and if we accept them as a 4th branch then we're just going to have presidents that will mimic their talking points i mean this is a serious. moment here well we had friends we have to be naive we had deep state always in. power as. they always have been in maine and what this does different is that there is trying to subvert the will of the people ok i think we all know that presidents and prime ministers and all the western world they do there is pressure from the intelligence community and sometimes that's a good thing but when they think that they know better than elected officials that is a dangerous point certainly in dutch what i was criticized about so-called democracies that claim that democracy is to descant deep state and of course from when you go back into conspiracy theories which we were. well always listening to about

the nation of john f. kennedy for instance had you said in the sixty's to read that there was a conspiracy about it you know it would have been blasphemy now for 250 years later we can talk about the involvement of the deep state of killing but well absolutely . i would just say that what a squad of interesting now is to learn to legitimize sation of the deeps is not denying it but run it bring it right up there and you see this for example that a lot of the media on the left on the liberal side now are you know putting in the intelligence services as a hiring them. in the media and also when trump actually went against the intelligence community this was again it was this was blustery how can you possibly these are the you know they're not their jobs in this information they're truth tellers and how could it possibly will deny all this or to sell it in a 2nd with samantha power ok good you know well i think that we should all remember who the person east europe mcloughlin he was deputy cia director during.

school he claimed in 20022003 that iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that was if we believe him institutional commitment to objectivity and. to a higher court. so the point is that this system you know if they had been serving the state you know richard you know i was told that you can if you're going to lie in the name of the state but the result was disastrous iraq is not loyal to the united states in iraq let the russian points to syria iraq is basically ignored not given its oil to the united states but to a lot of companies including russia and what's in syria daughter faye were because they not only didn't change the regime in syria they will show off and they're like so these deep state besides been very cruel it's also very ineffective it's against american national media it's against american initial. i'm going to address this to

both of you i think we need to stress a point that glenn has brought up here what i find really disturbing is how the liberal media is giving legitimacy to this in giving cover to because when we get to the deep state because we know that the origins of russia gate will be revealed to us we have durham we have a g. bar we have a number of reports coming in it seems to me that there preempting this because the truth sayers on c.n.n. in m.s.m. b.c. are going to be true be shown to be liars and probably. people who have committed criminal offenses i think this is a well this really is already going to go there and i said well i don't know the rating but one of the saying is that they're circling the wagons and using american metaphor because well if the purpose of the state is to put a check on the president one must ask well what is the policy then of this in this in the intelligence community and that's very much they're committed to maintaining

the status quo so so that there's no one who is actually you know elected them can remove them and to a large extent this prevents any dramatic change such as getting out of the long term wars and i think you're correct with more and more openness about this you know we have this leaks now which is posted in new york times where they say well they're actually try to prohibit. restrict some of the information i guess to trump or now in syria but they said what we take the oil and that's a way of staying there so you see more and more influence on behalf of the deep state or us in the strait of state and. again i think there's i think we all remember it was only i think a little more than a week ago when hillary clinton came out from her long walks in the in the in the force i came out in and really dissed. assaulted on twitter. by an anti-war candidate and it seems to me that. it's coordinated all of these

things are coordinated you have the deep state you have the media and they had to pile on because she represents she said disruptor as well she said disruptor in the democratic party like trump was in the republican party and you saw the piling on anti-war pulling back from this imperial reach is something that is completely forbidden and you will be punished in public for it well and as you just mentioned the media of course the media house there are impact there as well and of course you can question whether some of the media is maybe part of the deep state this is where i would go and say they are trying to impeach president of the united states that has never happened and never never been completed resigned or survived like mr clinton survived his affair but i remember that he for 2 weeks before the affair broke he had resisted bombing devices on no fly zone in iraq no after the impeachment process started he suddenly was willing to bomb

a little of course nixon when he finished the vietnam war obviously he went against a deep state well it's really interesting that the only time the deep state seems to like trump is when he's bombing someone ok we saw that because they said it was normal that it was really presidential and n.b.c. news said look at all those beautiful missiles ok and again the deep state in the media or in lockstep where i just i would like to remind our viewers that just as you said just a few months ago a new one who objected to their mainstream media in the united states was called either a conspiracy theorist or inspector and there are very few of us at that time i said would make 2 football teams spears that point but you know people wake up and now they're admitting that this is the truth and what where are they serving i mean they're not sure in the state they're 7 and they do a witch and the problem with that ideology is that unlike not as many as it doesn't

recognize and. name for it so it doesn't name itself they just say we are the free world we are the normal countries why doesn't russia become president and normal country and you see how more and more. hypocritical to tear it tearing isms have become the nazis were put you know like we will go and subject gate all of these want to mention you know the communist talked about british darien you know but everyone in the end understood what they were after and now we have this system which 1st claimed that we're just saving refugees you know we're getting rid of weapons of mass destruction in iraq and now they're saying yes there was a deep state and there is a deep state and we will do whatever we can see any necessary anything untoward and working out what is noble and actually the we should give we should bow down we should. accept the good wisdom of the deep state that's what the media's message is 30 seconds we're going to break through then i think that's the key problem is it's

not whether or not well sometimes it dips it might be a good thing sometimes my 2 bad thing but the fact that there's a saying you know this lack of democratic oversight or you know the whole murkiness of them none of this matters now because of the goodness they're doing so if you think they're doing good or bad surely this emergence of this for a 4th branch of power should be a concern should be a concern more than a concern we go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news today with our team.

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ok gentlemen let's switch gears here samantha power the former. american ambassador to the united nations came out with an op ed piece in the new york times and it was about the house of representatives recognizing the genocide had been committed against the armenian people by the autumn and turks and it's been a very controversial issue the u.s. has been has been very careful with this issue because turkey is a nato ally but things have changed and although there are 2 things i mean the timing of it's in very important here and some of the things that she said which i think i would like to highlight here the resolution meaning the resolution the house passed matters hugely to american armenians of course but it is also a reminder of how important truth telling is to american foreign policy. this is some out the power of truth telling and how alternately self-defeating it is for the united states to bend to autocratic pressures pressure tactics with rather from turkey or anyone else but he never talks about the pressure tactics that the us

uses around the world on an everyday basis what about the timing go ahead well the timing of course is interesting because the narrative suggests the us like all countries which is a recent point of view is that they have to balance their strategic interest with their values but the what she's just now is that you know america's moral compass its consciousness really has come 1st and this allows america to rediscover the power of telling the truth but there the timing of course is interesting because it's this suddenly we're like what what what what would of course this and it seemed that why all the sudden telling the truth now we're going to get it always be the case along comes 5 years might be speculating but it does seem it would be a punishment of turkey and this is all from how great powers would use values and ideas and moral to that is you know if you align yourself with the great power then you will look to other way if they if you go against them then they will hold you accountable and so it's not so much truth telling us using human rights democracy

and genocide and diminishes diminishes the resolution itself diminishes the historical fact of genocide jumping well i think that some of the poll gave us a clue why she said that that particular this particular moment let's read the article well though turkish officials may see their vote this retaliation for turkey's brutus over america nato protests or the russian air defense system simply reduce the impact of turkish blakeley well the people. were right there if they suspect it's a little if this is somehow connected to the purchase all of this for hundreds and for there are the problems that the united states has with turkey there will be one . 100 percent right you know and i'm sorry it's a very interesting new understanding by someone for. their rights if you go against the united states anything in your ancestors deed 100 years ago or 200 years ago

may be used against you see if you did you know that story with cop in mexico when this is what exactly did start in sort of take police and rashid made that but the point is that when american officials keep pushing that story against russians the last person who participated in this massacre died in 1901 you know he was 86 years old so the current generation doesn't have anything to do with it you know and russia apologized and you know went to cutting but they keep pushing that story not because people like some of the power concerned about these executive officers or about armenians will die in the genocide of the use it for political me through political means because her memoir that has recently come out mean she she in paris or so with her or her reflections upon what she was involved in when it comes to yemen it's a complete whitewash here so again we we see the cheapening of morality here ok and

i agree i have no problem with the u.s. house of representatives recognizing the historical 'd fact of the genocide against the armenians but i'm i'm insulted morally how it is being used as a political cudgel well it is the same as we experience as germans. of course we have to commemorate the victims of. fascism and of world war. but if someone is using it in a way to push for a policy change i think that is trampling on the graves of those who suffered and lost their lives and so i think we have to be reasonable and don't use it for day to day politics. we are not talking about how many native americans were killed. settle everybody who came so if we count all of these we don't know who

you know so. we should rather in a sober way to look at history and not use it in a new form for day to day politics heroic i think the people who should be most insulted by what happened are lenience because they're being used politically you know some want to ensure that she will immediately get all the support you know her memoir is called and education over an idea just this is an idealist who has been weakened by kind of 12 years before revealing something that was all b.s. you know and of course i think a lot of it means they won't buy it because it is sold ok i want to switch gears here or something but really important is happening and we have russian officials coming out saying that. the possible renewal of the start arms control agreement is it's there isn't enough time before it lapses in 2021 in as i said earlier to

you glenn is that bolton is gone but bolton is and remains here it's not it's not enough coverage is given to this i think it's very very important it's a last large important arms control agreement from the cold war in the us is show no interest whatsoever to renegotiated or even extended and it's should worry many because i think we're going to almost a used to having this nuclear there. we're no longer having this very destructive nuclear confrontation about that seems to be unraveling very quickly get away step by step a lot of this cold war nuclear agreements arms control agreements have been falling apart and this is not nothing in the pipeline to replace them and seemingly russia is a bit worried that this is the last one falling apart and it will unleash a lot of. the bit with the armenian community i.m.f. now start in again discuss the previously on this program and initially my my thought this to say towards the american position in terms of having to renegotiate

a lot of them because the world us changed the technologies have changed there's a lot of reasons why one of their players are china and now we're having a very new weaponry coming along as well so on one hand states do want to take a bit of that. upgrade their arms and also have to include china which wasn't there before but on other hand this this idea that you know some rabble everything and then hope you can put something to back back to get later on it seems unlikely this deal's calm. agreement comes in place after a huge crisis so it seems that this is might be we're heading we're going to go towards some. military standoff and that would create the impetus for you know it's really interesting we need you know we look at trump is the great disruptor but in a way when it comes to arms control the lack of these agreements is the disruption itself and i think that you know glynn is absolutely right we're going into uncharted waters here we have a vastly improved technology and for these horrific weapons here we should be

talking arms control now more than ever before but it's not happening you know but you see there even not covered at all their arms like the biological and chemical weapons and also the hard i mean for instance to earthquakes or whatever a day can create from with natural disasters all that was not covered bodies to reduce any oh no i think it was more important whether their leaders as a more left leaning during those i must say i find it difficult to applaud to a president like mr trump but he actually he's probably better than the new york controller because he's starting to withdraw troops and well he's charlie charlie let me this is this goes back to the. 1st part of our conversation here i mean whatever his inclinations are and he's not a studied man when it comes to foreign policy it is obvious as glenn has pointed out somebody whispered in his ear what about the oil in the trump clung to that

again it was very very clumsy in unsophisticated and i think it goes against his own instinct what i wanted to say and for about the 1st part of the program is that public opinion is behind trump's inclination to withdraw our troops around the world and these wars. you have this terrible torrent or misinformation from the mainstream media you know immediately after trump announced that he was withdrawing the troops they started this narrative or he betrayed the kurds the kurds are going to be exterminated nothing happened actually to the kurds they were not exterminated you know there is a new process going on but what at the kind of lights for important russia is the only we in syria. you know in germany tromp makes need to all to a toy army you know this is. someone who came to discuss and sound on who interviewed putin probably

a dozen times and he says all draw and gave up to putin and we can only start understanding this seriousness of the situation so you have these torrent of misinformation you know that public opinion may be for withdrawing the troops but these people are they have no access to the movie and the media is pushing this narrative you know that which is completely wrong i mean nato is still even the european nato allies they spent 4 times more than russia on weapons. only. you know the united states is still in syria controlling oil and no we read in the new york types that trump is using it probably for political leverage over syria imagine that i came to your apartment. something and then i say this is not a fair i mention it but for political leverage against you i will give you back your body if you become. formation it was over there. for thousands of me to

thousands to. to destabilize and overthrow the syrian government and now half a 1000000 people are dead they illegally occupied the country and yet the outrage is that they're leaving from an illegal occupation of a foreign country and the media somewhat relieved that at least trump said he would just take the oil as a way of staying you know this is going to go the moral argument over to the interesting thing is that with the smuggling of syrian oil outside of the country it's a violation of the sanctions the u.s. should sell food on syria when it comes to all the lights were there better than what they were the ones breaking the sanctions themselves you know 10 seconds you could make it out this is not what this is part of the problem 1 with why they have put themselves in a difficult position so this. company run out of from the north this obvious a lot of problems with it but but you can see also where it comes from the title it's difficult when there is a need we haven't figured out the syrian problem on this program he writes well the

time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here arche see you next time remember how close. imagine. this is 35 if you ever but career. including involves using your i phone in your computer things like that in an office. perhaps you start getting headaches. you could have to stop doing this i mean this is kind of a little bit different my world became smaller and smaller and smaller until i ended up. and a pox. or addict a very strong magnetic field held in my head. think of it like a real heart my skin burns and that wireless access point and it's just

continuous on saying with our students in the schools. we are just continually bathing our citizens in this microwave radiation it is certainly electro small and it's getting worse. you know world of big partisan lot and conspiracies it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. today there are good

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