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cold war nobel literature lawry attorney morrison died at the age of 88 this week here is the author of beloved destroying the idea that the so-called cold war was ever called the consequences of becoming a democracy are out there. we emphasize that part but we're also a major capitalist capitalistic lee formed country. and that's true of all of europe i mean you know the slaves come home from plantation the wars are still going on the cold war that keep talking about these years of peace peace. when peace they've been fighting 30 years of wars elfs where all their blood was in . a confrontation with russia are confrontation with communism it was no nuclear explosion there were no it was not but they still find well one flashpoint of the so-called cold war was china's war within the year of
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a kashmir and after this week's delhi decision to seize control of the disputed jammu and kashmir region i'm joined now from delhi by water pradesh m.p. from india's ruling b j p party dr subramanian swamy for money thanks for coming back on now some 40 up 240000 people died since 987 in conflict there india now as total control what exactly is going on there because landlines have been kind of mobile phones everything has been cut off journalists can't get there it's all over the border heard this from my party associates on the ground which includes muslims also and i think it's funny. this all quiet nothing happened. in this war the expectation was well of course on this that until the collapse of all this tuesday we will know for sure but i. guess
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that nothing. else because you probably know that pakistan's prime minister imran khan has compared your party to the not the party under hitler. it's sure it must have been told not to speak by the military that dummy i don't take anything so serious well will be speaking to the pakistani i commissioner did delhi consult with maging before hand before making this announcement i don't think you are to instill in them all the specifics because they only matter this. walking i do need to say you are making amendments in our constitution. we might say to them that follow the constitution these are the. this is going to cost us and. we always subject to challenge in the court by those who don't like this i doubt that we were called to change that because none of their business already it's affecting india isn't it the foreign ministry of china said this week the indian
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side has continued to undermine china's territorial sovereignty by unilaterally amending its domestic laws this practice is unacceptable for get pakistani nuclear weapons china obviously has nuclear weapons too what exactly has india achieved so far by this universe actual decision for direct rule of jammu and kashmir and that region of vietnam plighted me to promise made to the public of india that really more this nonsensical. put on the cost of tuition of india. we are going to conduct a lawsuit too since we conned out student for laws on the whole concept of the way and they don't want our lives in a basic part equality of genders that is men and women that's also on the mental rights not the 14 with prostitution so we have just gone plied with the promises they made to the election yeah but it's been in the manifesto before in the media
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be never did it do you think i mean you you're old enough dog really to remember the war with china in 162 i don't know do you think you'll be j b colleagues remember that the chin is part of gin jango turn province according to beijing but that's what this is. we are or was woken that the negotiations live ringback in their mind and yet are some things which they're not able to explain in the east and sided with much of the battle took place in 62. they say that we want to accept imperialist online. but there i don't know their problem you know and signed agreement with. i and mark those days. are exactly stating that they accept that no one line in the international boundary between all china are 'd mine mark you see far from british colonialism and you've been on the show talking about that before is the b j p far from being
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a nationalist party being a poodle of washington party you know donald trump wants to attack china economically through the trade war he is doing exactly what washington wants india to do to stop the repression more of delhi in beijing although not quite correct. the americans are we adding with us they are now helping pakistan part of it and so is russia and the americans or that it was that it would be in the taliban. and months the americans leave afghanistan the taliban would lead me so we are in fact the one in one sense securing ourselves for the future course of libya fighting the taliban ok but i mean giving trump was lying when he said when meeting with pakistani prime minister imran khan that india had asked him to negotiate the kashmir situation well i don't know the more decent slogans it too he would never
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sit at it when. in jest so i think probably the all indian accent of will on the motive may have been misunderstood by with the last question are we in. america to anybody else that negotiate what is are simply our duty in ringback 'd occupation by the standards to the media p. they just can't see that there are people in washington who would be happy to see the revocation of article $370.00 so that there are tensions between india and. china well i think any democrat almost constitutional principles are going to be in a class that we took so long that indians do not invest in coaching it is the most part and we do and we would like that to develop it as it goes but my point barrow is reportedly trumpeting the anti china u.s.
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alliance what did you make of the fact that the u.s. has even allowed india to use a puerto there on the port. in iran not something that allows other countries to do when it comes to iran the royal navy's patrolling the air there well really we never asked american. she our country only a lot of it would be muslim and so. we think we should be friends with a lot of the she was within india are very well supported in the community here and i can tell you what i am are considered a friend of china i think in both india and china and i don't see all the chinese. are using beyond what they want to demonstrate about this but they've said it's unacceptable i presume you've checked with the i still have a visa for china me if i don't need it i suppose the be j.p.
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law is that economic development in kashmir will also curb terrorism in the region the 77 attacks in london so they say were committed by people trained in kashmiri terrorism camps is india ready for the response from hardline is the miss who knows coming from syria let alone. afghanistan to attack indian installations where 1st of all let me tell you we don't think it is and if you do the economics. it's madness yes we teach it as it might mess but the people. question you have been denied development and it's a beautiful place it should be developed and the reason is that nobody wants to go invest there with all this article to 70 and it's its implications that's why you need me out of the way that we need to develop 'd. and this was sort of the syrians and all the taleban needs
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a lot of the wall built or looked up on one side or reality for the subject is intact well anyone smiling or no one can give an go digimon come in kashmir right now the tourists are all thrown out and everyone was arrested as far as we know all the leaders there is that next for the nagaland mizoram has some money borgo or is it going to cut off the internet for all the phones and then going to directly rule all those areas of india they will listen to probably get it see 71 has got nothing to do no not similar. to the $71.00 is that forest land of tribals cannot be acquired there's no question of indian standard settled there is no question only needs one will need unless there is no such distinctions as well not about isn't taught well the truth of ministration would you probably dispute is is happy with this decision we've heard nothing from russia particularly we have heard from china which says it's unacceptable what do you think is the reason why no arab country
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has attacked your party your government and your country for this decision as if there's some doubt that our country through to our most 'd supportive as you may be as if i formally issue. 'd a statement of support and you know this all the unity out allows only one time people fly over difficulties and that is it is it is a nation that the media in which lives are actually in the hall and who are parts of the government we have we have all seen our intelligence bureau officers or most of those we actually have been president we're mad muslims in the media. the state says keep ministers furthermore on the education doctor as medical tourism i meet so many arabs see for medical treatment and are going to say to pakistan which looks like a marquee put together that there are probably pockets. you know as for parts pulling at different actions that wouldn't use typical needs the cyndi's and
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domination of the punjabi says something that all of them does it but how long before the indian government allows journalists into this area again and the phones to work whether it landline him whether it be the internet whether it be mobile phones well those sharks moderns it is the middle meeting this situation is it is normal no mendicant but i would suspect it will be more than 2 beaks and you're not expecting any un security council resolution against india to be passed after all $370.00 was in tandem with the un resolution as i go to dr darrius it as i do so get nothing to do with us good times and that's also an illegal dishing filed by do a lot of little because you do consult the cabinet so on there are laws that we can be taught and we're lucky as it was newton's if we did you are going to ask and you
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expect protests in kashmir because as i say the journalists are there to cover the fact that whether there are protests all this week and not yet yet did not and did not produce that but lifting that dogs at that they're focused a lot but you don't see for yourself i don't think there will be people want to normalcy and all my friends it is open to me it's everyone moments but we have been pushed out to long and now that we have got it clearly indication that india has no intention whatsoever to let go even into question here including the part which is illegally being. caucus room i mean it's right. thank you. after the break we go to pakistan's high commission in london to get the other side of the story is pakistan's leader says genocide will be next for the people of kashmir elizabeth coming up about 2 and going underground.
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. welcome back and one we got from the b j p l in the pakistani high commission in london with the pakistani i commissioner mohamad the fees that korea commission of letting us into this building again i'm going to ask you to start off what is pakistan going to do kind of actually do anything we've taken by surprise. thank you very much actually as you might be over here this meeting is an internationally recognized dispute and it has the un security council resolutions on this outstanding for last 7 decades and . you can also resolutions the major elements of those units are going to do
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missions are. they give the right of self-determination to the kashmiris they have to decide under the un supervise plebiscite as to what they want to do it for that's what they're for johnson resolution but no article $370.00 of the year actually it usually does the point being made by well you have to see the things in context actually in the in the perspective because i'm coming to that point because that is very much relevant to that which you just mention because the units of the council resolutions also for but do not allow the parties to the dispute to make any changes that are permanent in nature or that that can cause material change the actions you know literally taken by india will distain to actually change the status of the kashmir dispute the trying to change the demography for quite some
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time in indian occupied kashmir one of the tools they have used the over the years is genocide is killing of kashmiris and this is one of the tactics of you know changing the being in both the demographic change in india quite kashmir obviously the indian government denies know they can deny niggle or does it delays that lead there in wallish and legally did well ition of the un city council resolutions when they call it the entire goal part that involves the us are going to vision when they bring about the permanent change or the material change and they are very much involved in the why do you think you are saying it's an internal matter to them outside of the context of the un security council resolution but for their defense they can say anything but the fact would not change the fact remains that it's a disputed matter and this matter has to be decided in accordance with the un security council resolutions that actually call for right to self-determination of kashmiris is imran khan government go completely it was caught on the roof in the
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whole of the. duration well i understand the foreign minister wasn't even in islamabad when it happened i'm not sure that you were here at the high commission i mean when the secret service is not warning the bugs any government that there was a possibility that india might make this unilateral action but in fact just for the sake of what india next move would be if we cannot stop the business of the country . see the promise to visit the. united states that was a successful visit and was it was successful visit. that said that the question actually as a separate topic we can discuss later on will it all drawn famously said to your prime minister that india had to struggle trump to negotiate over german kashmir something denied by now i think i think that that also is a manifestation of the very and the concern among the international community and
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the international players as to where this dispute might take the things to in the future because unless it is old i make a plea because one thing i would like to stress is that the international community has to be mindful that what the situation is actually it was the very this interest is it will bring in that part of the world and i think how it is going to threaten the very peace of that particular region where the people are impoverished but these kind of actions created by india caused by india as threatening the very security of that region it would be better for the international community to take action as swiftly as possible to stop the escalation of tension in that part of the well they're under mode he said 42000 dead presumably he went since 1089 there is nothing that pakistan can do is that in this situation at the moment i mean we had from subramanian swamy the b.g.p.
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representative to the protests saying it will be 3 weeks before the people of german kashmir get their mobile phones landlines and internet working and there's nothing the pakistani government can do i think for the international community this should be a matter of deep concern they supposedly called them a biggest democracy largest democracy and this is what they have done they have shut down develop they have shut down the entire you know court kashmir there's no news from there we don't know how. the killings my might have gone by now their track record is not very good if you look at the unnamed unmarked mosque years which were discovered in 2009 by international people's tribunal and the parents and suspicion of the parents of disappeared persons they found out only a fragment of the missing people's mosque lives in. 3 districts and according to their what about 7000. people there were discovered and according to their claim there may be many more actually they have not even done the hard
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work i think this keeping this in view with behind the closed doors when the entire world has been shut out i think it is a matter of prisoners is alone here i mean china initially said it was an acceptable to name one islamic country when an arab country one muslim country that is what in the er is done as room. well i think because he will if the representative body of the islamic countries or i see where he has definitely showed the condemned nation of the indian action and he has regularly expressed their concern of the grave human rights violations which are going on for decades in the indian accord because you knew that no islamic countries actually said what injures their lives room what about britain you like the mission here in london are you happy with the response from britain well i think if you if i'm monitoring very closely and i have seen
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a large number of people member of the parliament they have written letters to the prime minister to the foreign secretary to the un sick to even the city council president and i think the have a very strongly conveyed to condemn nation of the action there's no condemnation by the boers or on some government well i think the parliamentarians they have they have condemned this action. we have taken up this matter but the british government also promised has spoken to the promise of those jonson you might be a very that the necessary committee of parks on met the outcome was a number of decisions one of the decision was to actually approach the use of the council members the pony members be 5 members to raise this issue because we are deeply concerned on many accounts what's happening in the india about kashmir you mentioned
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a figure about 46000 something of that in render bodies at 42 i think of when one person is. is martyred a good kid gets killed. everybody knows about it but when it comes to schools of killings people just start counting the numbers even by that token has started stix is absolutely incorrect if you look at the various reports of the internat. organizations you'll find that they have set something between 95250000 people have vanished actually and they have been killed in iraq about kashmir if you go back 947 in just one week the carried over genocide genocide of 350000 people i was taking the figure from from 989 so what does your prime minister mean by comparing the b.g.p. with it was not seizing we will strike back at these all just is this all just rhetoric well i think clearly pakistan is striking back with the economic into the
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international community has to get serious about this thing you have seen a trailer in the indian economy with a lot more happened in february and see india has mastered the art of false flag operation mastered the art of creating tension in the region without realizing the consequences i believe that you must you must you should also look at the situation at the lot of control and also working boundary how the tension have been raised there and this is what the promised is pointing at and then whatever they do in the or in the uk but kashmir the has to be a backlash from the people from inside and that is not going to remain confined inside that territory that's interesting because you're. here in london where. i was saying that imran khan will have. islamists in kashmir fighting back
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in the tooth in the. because presumably the pakistani military is no match for they had military had been always blaine's and allegations people talk of random leave without any start of sticks without any information without any i would say study of the case in point. if you talk about terrorism actually via the victims of indian terrorism and pox on the state sponsored in terrorism works on people what are the people of jammu kashmir who believe that their land is what the indian treatment of this was to do or this points to your question remains and the fact that when these unnamed unmarked mosque is were discovered in 2009 about whom the the indians have been saying that these are the people who are the infiltrators who cross the yellow sea they came here for terrorism and it was it transpired and it came out from the report of i.p.t. care that these are the indigenous people who were killed in fake encounters they were the residents of you know quite kashmir and they were not been filtered so
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this is where i think you should take the the credibility of such claims that they would be infiltration and they would be stomached psalmist will be going inside or sending inside but by pakistan isn't the real problem here the reamer and contrary to his election campaign is taking a $6000000000.00 loan from washington's i.m.f. and it's up to the whole trump and the renter muti to decide the fate of germany because we are not islam about mel well i think. you made clear you can you can see anything you want to but we look at the facts and figures we look at the situation on the ground and decision ground that is internationally recognized dispute which has outstanding un security council resolutions and v. believe that this is where the solution lies for the long standing to should just as will very brief thing you know that baluchistan and since the people of those 2
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states and because the sim really want to talk to me you don't see any comparison between what you were saying about indian occupation of german in kashmir with what people in sin the religious than say about usual from your refereeing to those. less than one person hired people sitting abroad funded regularly by the adverse is a park stone to propagate this more dave and the idea that they want autonomy is autonomy. if you look at the process which has democratic process which has been ongoing in pakistan you'd find that all our promises have to mundus autonomy and i don't think so that if you reference to those elements who are sitting in court and trying to perpetrate this create this impression i think that that's not something which reflects the. situation on the ground in pakistan.
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thank you well from the high commission in london that's it for the show will be back on monday when foreign ministers from india and pakistan are both in beijing at the same dr feel one. dimension of being 635 and you have a career and career involves using your artificial in your computer and things like that being in an office. perhaps the sort of things that it circulates you could have to stop doing all this i mean this is kind of you little minutes must be free my world became smaller and smaller and smaller until i ended up running it and the
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