in an office. perhaps you sort of getting hit circular to have to stop doing this i mean this. was before. my world became smaller and smaller and smaller until i ended up running it in a box. or out of very magnetic field on my head. like it is like a real heart pressure on my skin and that wireless access point. just continues all day with our students in the schools. they are just continually our citizens in this microwave radiation it is certainly electro smaug and it's getting worse.

hello and welcome to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle we were told there was no such thing as the deep state now we're told to adore it also arms control is dying and we should all be worried and concerned and why samantha power is a hypocrite. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow he is a political analyst we also have glenn he's a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia and we're joined by dmitry babich he's a political analyst and editor at you know it's me internet media project all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated you know over the course of this ridiculous russia gate. as we

go into ukraine gate the mass media has been telling us if you used the term deep state or a conspiracy theorist ok something's changed though or you could say the deep state is finally beginning to speak with us into this video clip here gentlemen let's go thank god for the state. i think you know everyone here has seen this progression of diplomats and intelligence officers and white house people tripping up to capitol hill right now and saying these are people who are doing their duty you are responding to a higher call higher fall claim. he's making a reference to people that are unelected. and also telling us that these elected officials they have the right and even obligation maybe even moral obligation to disagree and obstruct elected official the president of the united states and well

that has been part of the development of this narrative about the deep state that is 1st of all that has existed and it's recognize that yes it does exist but it's a good thing because it's a good thing that health care well they're good because they help to put a check on trump his success and that's what we believe that's what we have congress for and that's what we have the courts for exactly and that's the thing because this ng you know this really standing up for the constitution and the american people however the american system over it has a check on power that is you don't have 6 i could branch which you have the legislative and the judiciary so what this really could even see in the media is also those of you know 4th of. the recognizing that this is a 4th branch of power that is. going to be conceptualized as being this bureaucracy or intelligence services so you're a cia n.s.a. if and if they have a role in order to put a check on the disruption of trump now this is obviously problematic for

a lot of reasons one for one trying to stay here i'm just going to let the us of this drop there he said you know i want to renegotiate their thing all our economic deals. nato is perhaps obsolete they want to get rid of the wars so the purpose of this 4th branch of power the deep state would then be to maintain the status quo or thomas friedman it's like the status quo to see that the ok well then what do we need elected officials for i mean if they're if they're already in charge they're going to be making decisions why do we need to elect officials i mean it seems to me that they know they claim to know better and if we accept them as a 4th branch then we're just going to have presidents that will mimic their talking points i mean this is a serious. moment here well we heard of friends we have to say we can't be naive we had deep state. in all kinds of powers and kingdoms and

they always have been mean and initially what this does different is that there is trying to subvert the will of the people ok i think we all know that presidents and prime ministers and all the western world they do there is pressure from the intelligence community and sometimes that's a good thing but when they think that they know better than elected officials that is a dangerous point certainly and what i always criticized above the so-called democracies that claim that democracy is to decant deep state and of course when you go back into conspiracy theories which we were. always listening to about the nation of john f. kennedy for instance had you said in 1063 dead there was a conspiracy about it you know it would have been blasphemy now 4050 years later we can talk about it the involvement off the deep state of killings. we just say that what a squad of interesting now is to look at the legitimize sation of the deep states not denying it but printing it right up there and you see this for example that

a lot of the media on the left on the liberal side now are you know putting in the intelligence service this is actually hiring them. in the media and also when i actually went against the intelligence community this was again it was this was last week how can you possibly these are the you know they're not their job isn't this information they're truth tellers and how could it possibly will deny all of this or to sell it in a 2nd with samantha power ok good you know well i think that we should all remember who the person east that he was deputy cia director during the. school he claimed in 20022003 that iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that was if we believe him institutional commitment to our t.v. and. higher court. so the point is that this system you know if they had been sort of in the state you know pretty sure you know i was told that you can if you're going to lie in the name of the state but the result was

disastrous iraq is not loyal to the united states in iraq to let the russian point syria iraq is basically a not not given its oil to the united states but to a lot of companies including russia and what's in syria daughter favor because they not only didn't change the regime in syria they will show off and they're like so these deep state besides being very cruel it's also very ineffective it's against american national media it's against american initial interest i want to address this to both of you i think we need to stress a point that glenn has brought up here where i find really disturbing is how the liberal media is giving legitimacy to this in giving cover to because when we go to the deep state because we know that the origins of russia gate will be revealed to us we have durham we have a g. bar we have a number of reports coming in it seems to me that they're preempting this because the truth sayers on c.n.n. in m.s.m. b.c.

are going to be shown to be liars and probably. people who have committed criminal offenses i think this is a living soul already going we don't know that and i said well i don't know the reason but one of the saying is that they're circling the wagons and using american metaphor because well if the purpose of the state is to put a check on the president one must ask well what is the policy then of this in the intelligence community and that's very much committed to maintaining the status quo so so that there's no one who is actually elected them to remove them and to a large extent this prevents any dramatic change such as getting out of the long term wars and i think you're correct with more and more openness about the. you know we have this leaks now which is posted in a new york times where they say well they're actually trying to prohibit. restrict some of the information i guess to trump or now in syria that they said how about we take the oil and that's

a way of staying there so you see more and more influence on behalf of this state or us in the strait of state and. again i think there's i think we all remember it was only i think a little more than a week ago when hillary clinton came out from her long walks in the in the in the forest came out and really dissed. assaulted on twitter. by an anti-war candidate and it seems to me that is coordinated all of these things are coordinated you have the deep state you have the media and they had to pile on because she represents she said disruptor as well she said disruptor in the democratic party like trump was in the republican party and you saw the piling on anti-war pulling back from this imperial reach is something that is completely forbidden and you will be punished in public for it well and as you just mentioned the media of course the media has their impact there as well and of course you can

question whether some of the media is maybe part of the deep state this is where i would go and say they are trying to impeach president of the united states that has never happened and never never been completed they've resigned or survived like mr clinton survived his affair but i remember that he for 2 weeks before the affair broke he had resisted bombing did so no fly zone in iraq no after the impeachment process started you suddenly was willing to bomb a little of course nixon but he finished the vietnam war obviously he went against a deep state well it's really interesting that the only time the deep state seems to like trump is when he's bombing someone ok we saw that because they said it was normal it is reality and presidential and n.b.c. news said look at always beautiful missiles ok and again the deep state in. the media are in lockstep to where i just i would like to remind our viewers that just as you said just a few months ago a new one who objected to their mainstream media in the united states was called

either a conspiracy theorist or put in a special and there are very few of us at the time i said we could make 2 football teams conspiracy put but you know there are very few people wake up and know they're admitting that this is the truth and what where are they serving i mean they're not sure in the state they're 7 and i do or would. and the problem with that ideology is that unlike nazis meant coleman is it doesn't recognize a name for it so it doesn't name itself they just say we are the free world we are the normal countries why doesn't russia become president and normal country and you see how more and more. hypocritical to tear it tearing isms have become the nazis were put you know like we will go and subjugate all these want to mention you know the communist talked about pretty daring you know but everyone in the end understood what they were after and now we have this system which 1st claimed that

we're just saving refugees you know we're getting rid of weapons of mass destruction in iraq and now they're saying yes there was a deep state and there is a deep state and we will do whatever we can see a necessary and if you want to go and work it well you know but actually the we should give we should bow down we should. except for the good wisdom of the deep state that's what the media's message is 30 seconds we're going to break through then i think that's the key problem is it's not whether or not well sometimes it dips it might be a good thing sometimes my 2 bad thing but the fact that there's a saying you know this lack of democratic oversight or you know the whole murkiness of them none of this matters now because of the goodness they're doing so if you think they're doing good or bad surely this emergence of this for a 4th branch of power should be a concern should be a concern more than a concern we go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news today with our team.

you know world big partisan. and conspiracy it's time to. wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the troops the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. today there are good terrorists and bad evidence the bad terrorists and those in yemen who the united

states deems to be a threat the look to those who work in syria the cia and the us military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. where they were assassinating populist leaders they were backing up right away military windows funding an army of death squads there's no any more because there's always a small people for a really good that's. a profit. the world is driven by shaped by. the day or thinks. we dared to ask.

welcome back to cross talk we're all things or consider 9 peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok. gentlemen let's switch gears here samantha power the former. american ambassador to the united nations came out with an op ed piece in the new york times and it was about the house of representatives recognizing the genocide had been committed against the armenian people by the autumn and turks and it's been a very controversial issue the u.s. has been has been very careful with this issue because turkey is a nato ally but things have changed and i know there are 2 things i mean the timing of it isn't very important here and some of the things that she said which i think i would like to highlight here the resolution meaning the resolution the house

passed matters hugely to american armenians of course but it is also a reminder of how important truthtelling is to american foreign policy this is some out the power of truth telling well and how alternately self-defeating it is for the united states to bend to autocratic pressures pressure tactics with rather from turkey or anyone else but she never talks about the pressure tactics that the u.s. uses around the world on an everyday basis what about the timing go ahead well the timing of course is interesting also the active suggests the u.s. like all countries which is a recent point of view is that they have to balance their strategic interest with their values but the what she said just now is that you know america's small compas its consciousness really has come 1st and this allows america to rediscover the power of telling the truth but there the timing of course is interesting because this suddenly we're like what what what what would have caused this and it seemed that why all the sudden telling the truth now we're going to get it always be the

case on the side yet might be speculating but it does seem it would be punishment of turkey and this is all from how great powers would use values and ideas and moral to that is you know if you align yourself with the great power then they will look the other way if they if you go against them then they will hold you accountable and so it's not so much just truth telling us using human rights democracy and. angela's side anyway diminishes diminishes the resolution itself diminishes the historical fact of genocide jumping well i think that some of the poll gave us a clue why she said that that particular this particular moment let's read the article while though turkish officials may see the vault as retaliation for turkey's purchase all over america nato protests over russian air defense system simply this reduce the impact of turkish blackmail well the.

were right if they suspect it's. this is somehow connected to the purchase of us for hundreds and for there are the problems that the united states has with turkey they will be 100 percent right you know and i'm sorry it's a very interesting new understanding by someone from poland or miranda rights if you go against the united states anything in your ancestors deed 100 years ago or 200 years ago may be used against you as if you did you know the story with captain message when polish officers were executives on study and sort of did take police and russia admitted that what point is that when american officials keep pushing that story against russians the last person who participated in this massacre died in 1901 you know he was 86 years old so the current generation doesn't have anything to do with it you know and russia apologized and putin went to cutting but

they keep pushing that story not because people like some of the power concerned about these executive officers or about armenians who died in the genocide of it in the use it for political me is through political means because her memoir that has recently come out there i mean she she embarrass or so with her reflections upon which she was involved in when it comes to yemen and it's a complete whitewash here so again we. we see the cheapening of morality here ok and i agree i have no problem with the u.s. house of representatives recognizing the historical fact of the genocide against the armenians but i'm i'm insulted morally how it is being used as a political cudgel well that is the same as we experience as germans. of course we have to commemorate the victims of the nazis fascism and of the world war. but if someone is using it in a way to push for a policy change i think that is trampling on the graves of those who suffered and

lost the lives and so i think we have to be reasonable and don't use it for day to day politics we are not talking about how many native americans were killed. settle everybody who came so if we count all of these we don't know who you know so i would. rather in a sober way to look at history and not use it as a new form for day to day politics harrowing i think the people who should be most insulted by what happened it's because they are being used politically you know. sure that she will immediately get all the support you know her memoir is called an education of an idea just this is an idealist who has been waiting about 105 years before revealing something that was well you know and of course i think

a lot of it means they won't buy it because it is so obvious ok i want to switch gears here something that's really important is happening and we have russian officials coming out saying that. the possible renewal of the stop start arms control agreement is it's there isn't enough time before it lapses in 2021 and as i said earlier to you glenn is a bold. it's gone but bolton ism remains here it's not it's not enough coverage is given to this i think it's very very important it's a last large important control agreement from the cold war in the us is show no interest whatsoever to renegotiated or even extended and it's should worry many because i think we're going to almost a used to having this nuclear there. we're no longer having this very destructive nuclear confrontation but that seems to be unraveling very quickly again we step by step a lot of this cold war nuclear agreements arms control agreements have been falling

apart and this is not nothing in the pipeline to replace them and seemingly russia is a bit worried that this is the last one falling apart and it will unleash a lot of unpredictability of the armenian community i.m.f. now start in again discuss the previously on this program and. my thought this proceed towards the american position in terms of having to renegotiate a lot of them because the world us changed technologies have changed there's a lot of reasons why one of their players are china and now we're having very new weaponry coming along as well so on one hand states do want to take a bit of that. upgrade their arms and also have to include china which wasn't there before but on the other hand this this idea that you know some rival everything and then hope you can put something to buy back to get later on it seems unlikely you should this deals common. agreements comes in place after a huge crisis so it seems that this is might be we're heading we're going to go

towards some. military standoff and that would create the impetus for you know it's really interesting the way neatly you know we look at trump is the great disruptor but in a way when it comes to arms control the lack of these agreements is the disruption itself and i think that you know glenn is absolutely right we're going into uncharted waters here we have a vastly improved technology for these. horrific weapons here we should be talking arms control now more than ever before but it's not happening here but you see there even though they're not covered at all their arms like the via logic of chemical weapons and also the horror. for instance of the earthquake or whatever and they can create from it natural disasters all that was not covered but is to reduce and you know i think it was more important whether their leaders as a more left leaning journalist i must say i find it difficult to applaud to president like mr drum but he actually is probably better than the arms control or

because he's starting to withdraw troops and well he's charged he's trying to do it i mean this is this goes back to the 1st part of our conversation here i mean whatever his inclinations are and he's not a studied man when it comes to foreign policy it is obvious as glenn has pointed out somebody whispered in his ear what about the oil in the trump clung to that again it was very very clumsy unsophisticated and i think it goes against his own instinct what i wanted to say and i forgot in the 1st part of the program is that public opinion is behind trump's inclination to withdraw our troops around the world and end these wars. you have this terrible torrent or misinformation from the mainstream media you know immediately after trump announced that he was withdrawing the troops they started this narrative he betrayed the kurds the kurds are going to be exterminated nothing happened actually to the kurds they were not exterminated

you know there is a new process going on but we get the kind of lights for imported russia is the only we in syria. you know in germany tromp makes need to do a toy you know this is. someone who came to discuss and sound on who interviewed putin probably at those. and he says all draw and gave up to putin and we can only start understanding the seriousness of the situation so you have these torrent of misinformation you know that public opinion may be for withdrawing the troops but these people look they have no access to the movie and the media is pushing this narrative you know there which is completely wrong i mean nato is still even the european nato allies they spend 4 times more than russia on weapons how can you call it that only. you know the united states is stealing syria can

control you all and no we read in the new york times that trump is using it probably for political leverage over syria imagine that i came to your apartment just to offer something and then i see this is not a fair i mention it but for political leverage against you i will give you back your boy if you become. formation ages over there has been there for thousands of me to thousands to to destabilize and overthrow the syrian government and now half a 1000000 people are that they illegally occupied their country and yet their outrage is that they're leaving from an illegal occupation of a foreign country and the media somewhat relieved that at least trump said he would take the oil as a way of staying it is a very good moral argument given to the interesting thing is that with the smuggling of syrian oil outside of the country it's a violation of the same choose the u.s. and syria when it comes to all the lights were there better than what they were the

ones breaking the sanctions themselves here 10 seconds could make it out this is not what this is part of the problem with why they have put themselves in a difficult position so this idea of just up and running out of from the north this obvious a lot of problems with it but but you can see also where it comes from the have tackled it's difficult when there is a need we haven't figured out the syrian problem on this program here as well the time we have gentlemen many thanks mike. here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time remember. what holds a hinge to. put themselves on the line and begin to accept the reject. so when you want to be president and. more somehow want to be rich. that you'd like to

be closer that's what before 3 in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters of my heart. this should. imagine being a 635 and you have a what a career and a career involves using your i phone in your computer and things like that in an office and perhaps she sort of killings of excess her kids. are going to have to stop doing all of this i mean that's just kind of you lou that here must be frightening my world became smaller and smaller and smaller until i ended up winning it and at the box. around it a very strong magnetic field on the field in my head. i think it is like a real hard pressure my skin burns and that wireless access point out there it's just continuous all day with our students in the schools. we are just continually

bathing our citizens in this microwave radiation it is certainly electro small and it's getting worse. same brawl. just don't. all. you have to shape out. come out ahead and gain from it because betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

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