all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated you know over the course of this ridiculous russia gate as we go into ukraine gate mass media has been telling us if you used the term deep state or a conspiracy theorist ok something's changed though or you could say the deep state is finally beginning to speak with us into this video clip here gentlemen let's go play god for the state. i think you know everyone here has seen this progression of diplomats and intelligence officers and white house people tripping up to capitol hill right now and saying these are people who are doing their duty you are responding to a higher call. higher fall claim he's making a reference to people that are unelected. and also telling us that these elected

officials they have the right and even obligation maybe even moral obligation to disagree and obstruct elected official the president of the united states and well that has been part of the elements of this narrative about the deep state that is 1st of all that has existed and it's recognize that yes it does exist but it's a good thing because it's a good thing that health care well they're good because they help to put a check on trump his success and that's what we believe that's what we have congress for and that's what we have the courts for exactly and that's the thing because this ng you know this really standing up for the constitution and the american people however the american system over it has a check on power that as you know has 6 i could branch which you have the legislative and the judiciary so what this really could even see in the media is also those of you know 4th of. the recognizing that this is a 4th branch of power that is. going to be a concept to us as being this bureaucracy or intelligence services so you're

a cia n.s.a. f.b.i. and if they have a role in order to put a check on the disruption of trump now this is obviously problematic for a lot of reasons one for one trying to stay here i'm just going to let the us of this drop there he said you know i want to renegotiate their thing all our economic deals. nato is perhaps obsolete they want to get rid of the wars so the purpose of this 4th branch of power the deep state would then be to maintain the status quo or thomas friedman it's like the tyranny of status quo they seem to think ok well then what do we need elected officials for i mean if they're already in charge they're going to be making the decisions why do we need to elect officials i mean it seems to me that they know they claim to know better and if we accept them as a 4th branch then we're just going to have presidents that will mimic their talking points i mean this is a serious. moment here well we heard friends we have to say we can't be naive we

have deep state. in all kinds of powers and kingdoms and they always have been mean and initially what this does different is that there is trying to subvert the will of the people ok i think we all know that presidents and prime ministers and all the western world they do there is pressure from the intelligence community and sometimes that's a good thing but when they think that they know better than elected officials that is a dangerous point certainly and what i always criticized about so-called democracies that claim that democracy is to decant deep state and of course when you go back into conspiracy theories which we were. always listening to about the nation of john f. kennedy for instance had you said in the sixty's 3 dead there was a conspiracy about it you know it would have been blasphemy now 40 to 50 years later we can talk about it the involvement off the deep state of killings i will.

just say that what a squad of interesting now is to look at the legitimize sation of the deep space not denying it but printing it right up there and you see this for example that a lot of the media on the left on the liberal side now are you know putting in the intelligence service this is actually hiring them. in the media and also when i actually went against the intelligence community this was again it was me how can you possibly these are the you know they're not their job isn't this information they're truth tellers and how could it possibly will deny all of this or to sell it in a 2nd with samantha power ok good you know well i think that we should all remember who that person east that he was deputy cia director during. school he claimed in 2000 to 2003 that iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that was if we believe him institutional commitment to objectivity and. to a higher court. so the point is that this system you know if they had been serving

the state you know your eyes on that are you can you're going to lie in the in the name of the state but the result was disastrous iraq is not loyal to the united states iraq let the russian planes to syria iraq is basically ignored not given its oil to the united states but to a lot of companies including russian ones. in syria daughter faye were because they not only didn't change the regime in syria they will show off and they're like so these deep state besides being very cruel it's also very ineffective it's against american national media it's against american initial interest i want to address this to both of you i think we need to stress a point that glenn has brought up here what i find really disturbing is how the liberal media is giving legitimacy to this in giving cover to because when we go to the deep state because we know that the origins of russia gate will be revealed to us we have durham we have a g.

bar we have a number of reports coming in it seems to me that they're getting this because the truth sayers on c.n.n. in their midst n.b.c. are going to be true be shown to be liars and probably. people who have committed criminal offenses i think this is a well this really is already going to go in there and i said well i don't know the rating but one of the saying is that they're circling the wagons and using american metaphor because well if the purpose of the state is to put a check on the president 'd one must ask well what is the policy then of this in this in the intelligence community and that's very much they're committed to maintaining the status quo so. there's no one who is actually you know elected them to remove them and to a large extent is and prevents any dramatic change such as getting out of the long term wars and i think you're correct with more and more openness about this you know we have this leaks now which is posted in new york times where they say well

they're actually trying to prohibit. restrict some of the information i guess to trump or now in syria but they said what we take the oil and that's a way of staying there so you see more and more influence on behalf of the deep state or us in the strait of state and. again i think there's i think we all remember it was only. i think a little more than a week ago when hillary clinton came out from her long walks in the in the in the force i came out and really dissed. assaulted on twitter. by an anti-war candidate and it seems to me that is coordinated all of these things are coordinated you have the deep state you have the media and they had to pile on because she represents she said disruptor as well she said disruptor in the democratic party like trump was in the republican party and you saw the piling on anti-war pulling back from this imperial reach is something that is completely

forbidden and you will be punished in public for it well and as you just mentioned the media of course the media has there are impact there as well and of course you can question whether some of the media is maybe part of the deep state this is where i would go and say they are trying to impeach president of the united states that has never happened and never never been completed resigned or survived like mr clinton survived his affair but i remember that he for 2 weeks before the affair broke he had resisted bombing of software no fly zone in iraq no after the impeachment process started he suddenly was willing to bomb a little of course nixon when he finished the vietnam war obviously he went against the deep state well it's really interesting that the only time the deep state seems to like trump is when he's bombing someone ok we saw that because they said it was normal that it was really in france and n.b.c. news said look at all those beautiful missiles ok and again the deep state in the media urn lockstep where i just i would like to remind our viewers that just

as you said just a few months ago a new one who objected to their mainstream in the united states was called either a conspiracy theorist or special and there are very few of us at that time i said would make. that point but you know people wait rep. and now they're admitting that this is the truth and what we're really serving i mean they're not sure in the state they're 7 and ideology and the problem with that ideology is that unlike nazis meant coleman is it doesn't recognize a name for it so it doesn't name itself they just say we are the free world we are the normal countries why doesn't russia become a normal country and you see how more and more. hypocritical to tear it tearing isms have become the nazis were put you know like we will go and subject gay to all these want to mention you know the communist talked about brit

darian you know but everyone in the end understood what they were after and now we have this system which 1st claimed that we're just saving refugees you know we're getting rid of weapons of mass destruction in iraq and now then saying yes there was a deep state and there is a deep state and we will do whatever we can see a necessary and if you want to go and work it well is noble and actually the we should give we should bow down we should. except for the good wisdom of the deep state that's what the media's message is 30 seconds before we're going to break through them i think that's the key problem is it's not whether or not well sometimes it dips it might be a good thing sometimes my 2 bad thing but the fact that there is a saying this lack of democratic oversight or you know the whole murkiness of them none of this matters now because of the goodness they're doing so if you think they're doing good or bad surely this emergence of this for

a 4th branch of power should be a concern should be a concern more than a concern we'll go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news today with our team. join me every 1st date on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then. the people who are printing the money don't rely on taxes to get wealthy they're not part of the real economy that's what does the same thing as saying the rulers of saudi arabia rely on the wages of the people living in saudi arabia to get rich they they don't they just print more or pump more oil in the america the princes

that run our economy just print more money they don't need the workers they don't need their taxes that's why they don't have wage growth that's why there's been that this aeration because there are needed. today there are good tennis and bad at it it's the bad news in yemen to the united states deems to be a threat the good it is those who are in syria the cia and the us military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. where they were assassinating populist leaders they were backing up right wing military funding an army just was there's no proof and because there's always a small. really good there's. a profit.

i. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok gentlemen let's switch gears here samantha power the former. american ambassador to the united nations came out with an op ed piece in the new york times and it was about the house of representatives recognizing the genocide had been committed

against the armenian people by the autumn and turks and it's been a very controversial issue the u.s. has been has been very careful with this issue because turkey is a nato ally but things have changed and although there are 2 things i mean the timing of it's in very important here and some of the things that she said which i think i would like to highlight here the resolution meaning the resolution the house passed matters hugely to american armenians of course but it is also a reminder of how important truth telling is to american foreign policy this is some out the power of truth telling well and how alternately self-defeating it is for the united states to bend to autocratic pressures pressure tactics with oprah rather from turkey or anyone else but she never talks about the pressure tactics that the u.s. uses around the world on an everyday basis what about the timing ahead well the timing of course is interesting also that of suggests that the. u.s. like all countries which is

a recent point of view is that they have to balance their strategic interest with their values but the what she said just now is that america's moral compass its consciousness really has come 1st and this allows america to rediscover the power of telling the truth but there the timing of course is interesting because it's this suddenly we're like what what what what would of course this. is why all the sudden telling the truth now we're going to get it always be the case along comes 5 years might be speculating but it does seem it would be a punishment of turkey and this is all from how great powers would use values and ideas and moral to that is you know if you align yourself with the great power then you will look to other way if they if you go against them then they will hold you accountable and so it's not so much truth telling us using human rights democracy and genocide in a diminishing diminishes the resolution itself diminishes the historical fact of genocide jumping well i think that some of the poll gave us

a clue why she said that that particular this particular moment let's read the article although turkish officials may see the vote this retaliation for turkey is brutus all over america nato protests over russian air defense system simply reduce the impact of turkish blackmail well the people. were right if they suspect it's a little bit that this is somehow connected to the purchase all of this for hundreds and for there are the problems that the united states has with turkey they will be 100 percent right you know and i'm sure it's a very interesting new understanding by someone from poland on their on their rights if you go against the united states anything in your ancestors deed 100 years ago 200 years ago may be used against you see if you did you know the story with cup in message. this is where exactly it all started sort of take police and

russia had made that but the point is that when american officials keep pushing that story against russians the last person who participated in this massacre in 1901 you know it was 86 years old so the current generation doesn't have anything to do with it you know and russia apologized and you know went to cutting but they keep pushing that story not because people like some of the power concerned about these executive officers or about armenians when i did that genocide the use it for political me through political means because her memoir that has recently come out i mean she she in barristers' herself with her or her reflections upon what she was involved in when it comes to yemen and it's a complete whitewash here so again we we see the cheapening of morality here ok and i agree i have no problem with the u.s. house of representatives recognizing the historical fact of the genocide against

the armenians but i'm i'm insulted morally how it is being used as a political cudgel well it is the same as we experience as germans. of course we have to commemorate the victims of the nazis fascism and of the world war. but if someone is using it in a way to push for a policy change i think that is trampling on the graves of those who suffered and lost the lives and so i think we have to be reasonable and don't use it for day to day politics we are not talking about how many native americans were killed. settle everybody who came so if we count all of these we don't know who to go so. we should have would rather. sober way to look at history and not use it as a new form for day to do. politics very well i think the people who should be most

insulted by what happened are needs because they're being used politically you know someone to be sure that she will immediately get all the support you know her memoir is called and educational when i did just this is an idealist who has been weakened by kind of played here before revealing something that was all b.s. you know and of course i think a lot of it means they won't buy it because it is sold ok i want to switch gears here or something but it's really important is happening and we have both russian officials coming out saying that. the possible renewal of the stop start arms control agreement is it's there isn't enough time before it comes in 2021 in as i said earlier to you glenn is that bolton is gone but bolton is and remains here it's not it's not enough coverage is given to this i think it's very very important it's a last large important control agreement from the cold war in the u.s.

is show no interest whatsoever to renegotiated or even extended and it's should worry many because i think we're going to almost a used to having this nuclear there. we're no longer having this very disruptive nuclear confrontation but that seems to be unraveling very quickly again we step by step a lot of this cold war nuclear agreements arms control agreements have been falling apart and this is nothing in the pipeline to replace them and seemingly russia is a bit worried that this is the last one falling apart and it will unleash a lot of unpredictability of the armenian community i.m.f. now start in again discuss the previously on this program and initially my thought this proceed towards the american position in terms of having to renegotiate a lot of them because the world us changed technologies have changed there's a lot of reasons why one of their players only china and now we're having a new weaponry come. along this well so on one hand states do want to take

a bit of. arm spot and also have to include china which wasn't there before but i'll have this this idea that you know some rabble everything and then hope you can put something to back back to get later on it seems unlikely this deal's calm. agreements in place after a huge crisis so it seems that this is right they were heading we're going to go towards. military standoff and that would create the impetus for you know it's really interesting we need we look at the trump is the great disruptor but in a way when it comes to arms control the lack of these agreements is the disruption itself and i think that you know glenn is absolutely right we're going into uncharted waters here we have a vastly improved technology and for these horrific weapons here we should be talking arms control now more than ever before but it's not happening you know but you see there even not covered at all their arms like the via logical chemical

weapons and also the harbor. for instance of the earthquake or whatever they can create from with natural disasters all that was not covered bodies to reduce and you know no i think it was more important whether their leaders as a more left leaning journalist i must say i find it difficult to applaud to a president like mr trump but he actually he is probably better than the arms control or because he's starting to withdraw troops and well he's charlie he's trying to do it i mean this is this goes back to the 1st part of our conversation here i mean whatever his inclinations are and he's not a studied man when it comes to foreign policy it is obvious as glenn has pointed out somebody whispered in his ear what about the oil in the in the trump clung to that again it was very very clumsy unsophisticated and i think it goes against his own in saying what i wanted to say and. about the 1st part of the program is that

public opinion is behind trump's inclination to withdraw troops from around the world and end these wars. you have this terrible torrent of misinformation from the mainstream media you know immediately after trump announced that he was withdrawing the troops they started this narrative oh he betrayed the kurds the kurds are going to be exterminated nothing happened actually to the kurds they were not exterminated you know there is a new process going on but we get the kind of its foreign policy russia is the only winner in syria although you know in germany tromp makes need to all to a toy army you know this is. someone who came to discuss and sound one who interviewed putin probably a dozen times and he says all drowned gave up to putin and we can only start understanding the seriousness of the situation so you have these torrent of

misinformation you know that public opinion may be for withdrawing the troops but these people look they have no access to the movie and the media is pushing this narrative you know that which is completely wrong i mean nato is still even the european nato allies they spend 4 times more than russia on weapons how can you call it that only. you know the united states is still in syria it can control you all and no we read in the new york times that trump is using it probably for political leverage over syria imagine that i came to your apartment just to offer something and then i see this is not a fair i mention it but for political leverage against you i will give you back your mind if you believe the information age is over there has been there for thousands of me to thousands to to destabilize and overthrow the syrian government and now half a 1000000 people are that the illegally occupied the country. and yet the outrage

is that they're leaving from an illegal occupation of a foreign country and the media somewhat relieved that at least trump said he would take the oil as a way of stating that you know this is going to go the moral argument over there the interesting thing is that with the smuggling of syrian oil outside of the country it's a violation of the sanctions the u.s. itself or the un syria when it comes to all the lights were there they are there well they're the ones breaking the sanctions themselves here 10 seconds you could make it out this is not what this is part of the problem with why they have put himself in a difficult position so this. company wrong out of from the north this obvious a lot of problems with it but but you can see also where it comes from the title is difficult when there is a need we haven't figured out the syrian problem on this program he writes well the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here argue see you next time remember.

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