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people for using suggestive emotions. come in on fills you in on the latest coming up next hour but 1st it is international and in the u.k. and ireland relegating that's next stay with us. and welcome to all things considered. we were told there was no such thing as the deep state now we're told also arms control we should all be worried and concerned and why samantha power is a hypocrite. cross talking some real news i'm joy. and by my guest here in moscow niemeyer he is

a political analyst we also have glenn d.'s and he is a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia and we're joined by dmitry babich he's a political analyst and editor in the it's me internet media project all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated you know over the course of this ridiculous russia gate as we go into ukraine gate the mass media has been telling us if you used the term deep state or a conspiracy theorist ok something's changed though or you could say the deep state is finally beginning to speak with listen to this video clip here gentlemen let's go play god for the state. you know everyone here has seen this progression of diplomats and intelligence officers and white house people tripping up to capitol hill right now and saying

these are people who are doing their duty you are responding to a higher call. higher tall claim. he's making a reference to people that are unelected. and also telling us that these elected officials they have the right and even obligation maybe even moral obligation to disagree and obstruct elected official the president of the united states and well that has been part of the elements of this narrative about the deep state that is 1st of all that has existed and it's recognize that yes it does exist but it's a good thing because it's a good thing that health care well they're good because they help to put a check on trump his successes and that's what we believe that's what we have congress for and that's what we have the courts for exactly and that's the thing because this ng and you know this really standing up for the constitution and the american people however the american system over it has a check on power that is you don't have 6 i could branch which you have the

legislative and the judiciary so what this really could even see in the media is also those of you know 4th of. the recognizing that this is a 4th branch of power that is. going to be conceptualized as being this bureaucracy or intelligence services so you're a cia n.s.a. if and if they have a role in order to put a check on the disruption of trump now this is obviously problematic for a lot of reasons one for one trying to stay here i'm just going to look to us at this stop there he said you know i want to renegotiate their thing all our economic deals. nato is perhaps obsolete they want to get rid of the wars so the purpose of this 4th branch of power the deep state would then be to maintain the status quo or thomas friedman is likely to you know status quo they seem to think ok well then what do we need elected officials for i mean if they're already in charge they're going to be making decisions why do we need to elect officials i mean it seems to

me that they know they claim to know better and if we accept them as a 4th branch then we're just going to have presidents that will mimic their talking points i mean this is a serious. moment here well we had friends we have to be naive we had deep state always in. power as kingdoms they always have been in maine and what this does different is that there is trying to subvert the will of the people ok i think we all know that presidents and prime ministers they all in the western world they do have there is pressure from the intelligence community and sometimes that's a good thing but when they think that they know better than elected officials that is a dangerous point certainly and was criticized about so-called democracies that claim that democracy is to descant deep state and of course from when you go back into conspiracy theories which we were. well always listening to about the

nation of john f. kennedy for instance had you said in the sixty's to read that there was a conspiracy about it you know it would have been blasphemy now for 250 years later we can talk about the involvement of the deep state of killing but well absolutely . i would just say that what a squad of interesting now is to learn to legitimize sation of the deep so it's not denying it but run it bring it right up there and you see this for example that a lot of the media on the left on the liberal side now are you know putting in the intelligence services as a hiring them. in the media and also when trump actually went against the intelligence community this was again this was blustery how can you possibly these are the you know they're not their job isn't this information their truth tellers and how could it possibly will deny all of this or to sell it in a 2nd with samantha power ok good you know well i think that we should all remember who the person eastward mcloughlin he was deputy cia director during.

school he claimed in 20022003 that iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that was if we believe him institutional commitment to objectivity and. to a higher court. so the point is that this system you know if they had been serving the state you know that he should utilize all that you can if you're going to lie in the name of the state but the result was disastrous iraq is not loyal to the united states in iraq let that russian points to syria iraq is basically ignored not given its oil to the united states but to a lot of companies including russia and what's. in syria don't want to fail because they not only didn't change the regime in syria they will feel lost and they're like so these deep state besides being very cruel it's also very ineffective it's against american national media it's against american initial interest i want to address this to both of you i think we need to stress

a point decline is brought up here where i find really disturbing is how the liberal media is giving legitimacy to this in giving cover to because when we go to the deep state because we know that the origins of russia gate will be revealed to us we have durham we have a g. bar we have a number of reports coming in it seems to me that they are preempting this because the truth sayers on c.n.n. in the m.s.m. b.c. are going to be true be shown to be liars and probably. people who have committed criminal offenses i think this is a well this really is already going we don't know that much and we're going to know the raid but one of the saying is that they're circling the wagons and using american metaphor because well if the purpose of the state is to put a check on the president one must ask well what is the policy then of this in this in the intelligence community and that's very much committed to maintaining the status quo so so that there's no one who is actually you know elected them can

remove them and to a large extent is and prevents any dramatic change such as getting out of the long term wars and i think you're correct with more and more openness about this you know we have this leaks now which is posted in new york times where they say well they're actually trying to prohibit. restrict some of the information i guess to trump or now in syria that this is what we take the oil and that's a way of staying there so you see more and more influence on behalf of the deep state or us in the strait of state and. again i think there's i think we all remember it was only. i think a little more than a week ago when hillary clinton came out from her long walks in the in the in the force i came out and really dissed. assaulted on twitter. by an anti-war candidate and it seems to me that is coordinating all of these things are coordinated you have the deep state you have the media and they had to

pile on because she represents she's a disruptor as well she said disruptor in the democratic party like trump was in the republican party and you saw the piling on anti-war pulling back from this imperial reach is something that is completely forbidden and you will be punished in public for it well and as you just mentioned the media of course the media has impact as well and of course you can question whether some of the media is maybe part of the deep state this is where i would go and i was say trying to impeach president of the united states that has never happened and never never been completed resigned or survived like mr clinton survived his affair but i remember that he for 2 weeks before the affair broke he had resisted bombing of software no fly zone in iraq no after the impeachment process started you suddenly was willing to bomb a little of course nixon when he finished the vietnam war obviously he went against

the deep state well it's really interesting that the only time the deep state seems to like trump is when he's bombing someone ok we saw that because they said it was normal that it was really presidential and n.b.c. news said look at always beautiful missiles ok and again the deep state in the media or in lockstep where i just i would like to remind our viewers that just as you said just a few months ago a new one who objected to their mainstream media in the united states was called either a conspiracy theorist or special and there are very few of us at that time i said would make. spears that point but you know people wake up and now. that this is the truth and what are they serving i mean they're not sure in the state they're 7 and i do or would. and the problem with that ideology is that unlike nazis it doesn't recognize and name for itself it doesn't name itself they just say we are the free world we are the normal countries why doesn't russia

become a normal country. and you see how more and more. hypocritical terrorism's have become the nazis but you know like we will go and subjugate all these want to mention you know the communist talked about brit variants you know but everyone in the end understood what they were up to and now we have the system which 1st claimed that would just say even if your genes you know we're getting rid of weapons of mass destruction in iraq and now then saying yes there was a deep state and there is a deep state and we will do whatever we can see a necessary. and workable is no but actually the we should give we should bow down we should. except for the good wisdom of the deep state that's what the media's message is 30 seconds before we're going to break thank you then i think that's the key problem is it's not whether or not well sometimes it dips it might be

a good thing sometimes my 2 bad thing but the fact that there's a saying you know this lack of democratic oversight or you know the whole murkiness of them none of this matters now because of the goodness they're doing so if you think they're doing good or bad surely this emergence of this for a 4th branch of power should be a concern should be a concern more than a concern we go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news today with our team. imagine. this is 35. but career and including involves using your i phone in your computer things like that in an office. perhaps you start getting tenet says your kids. are going to have to stop doing this i mean

this is how you live their lives. before. my world became smaller and smaller and smaller until i ended up living in an ox. or out a very magnetic field. in my head. think of it like a real heart my skin and that wireless access point there just continues on a day when there are students in the schools. they are just continually our citizens in this microwave radiation it is certainly electro smaug and it's getting worse. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news.

ok gentlemen let's switch gears here samantha power the former. american ambassador to the united nations came out with an op ed piece in the new york times and it was about the house of representatives recognizing the genocide had been committed against the armenian people by the autumn and turks and it's been a very controversial issue the u.s. has been has been very careful with this issue because turkey is a nato ally but things have changed and although there are 2 things i mean the timing of it's in very important here and some of the things that she said which i think i would like to highlight here the resolution meaning the resolution the house passed matters hugely to american armenians of course but it is also a reminder of how important truthtelling is to american foreign policy this is some out the power truth telling and how alternately self-defeating it is for the united states to bend to autocratic pressures pressure tactics with rather from turkey or anyone else but she never talks about the pressure tactics that the u.s.

uses around the world on an everyday basis what about the timing. head well the timing of course is interesting because the narrative suggests the u.s. like all countries which is a recent point of view is that they have to balance their strategic interest with their values but the what she's just now is that you know america's moral compass its consciousness really has come 1st and this allows america to rediscover the power of telling the truth but there the timing of course is interesting because it's this suddenly we're like what what what what would have caused this and it seemed that why all the sudden telling the truth now we're going to get it always be the case along comes 5 years might be speculating but it does seem it would be a punishment of turkey and this is all from how great powers would use values and ideas and moral to that is you know if you align yourself with the great power then you will look the other way if they if you go against them then they will hold you accountable and so it's not so much truth telling us using human rights democracy

and genocide in a diminishing diminishes the resolution itself diminishes the historical fact of genocide jumping well i think that some of the poll gave us a clue why she said that that particular this particular moment let's read the article although turkish officials may see the vote this retaliation for turkey is brutus all over america nato protests over russian air defense system simply reduce the impact of turkish blackmail well the people. were right if they suspect it's a little if this is somehow connected to the purchase all of this for hundreds and for there are the problems that the united states has with turkey they will be 100 percent right you know and i'm sure it's a very interesting new understanding by someone from poland on their on their rights if you go against the united states anything in your ancestors deed 100

years ago 200 years ago maybe use the. you see if you did you know that story with cop in mexico when this is what exactly it all started sort of take police and russia had made that but the point is that when american officials keep pushing that story against russians the last person who participated in this massacre in 1901 you know he was 86 years old so the current generation doesn't have anything to do with it you know and russia apologized and you know went to cutting but they keep pushing that story not because people like some of the power concerned about these executive officers or about armenians with geneseo but the use it for political me through political means because her memoir that has recently come out i mean she she in barristers' herself with her or her reflections upon what she was involved in when it comes to yemen and it's

a complete whitewash here so again we we see the cheapening of morality here ok and i agree i have no problem with the u.s. house of representatives recognizing the historical fact of the genocide against the armenians but i'm i'm insulted morally how it is being used as a political cudgel well it is the same as we experience as germans. of course we have to commemorate the victims of the nazis fascism and of the world war. but if someone is using it in a way to push for a policy change i think that is trampling on the graves of those who suffered and lost the lives and so i think we have to be reasonable and don't use it for day to day politics we are not talking about how many native americans were killed. settle everybody who came so if we count all of these we don't know who

you know so i would. rather. sober way to look at who is to really use it to a new form for day to day politics heroic i think the people who should be most insulted by what happened are needs because they're being used but need to quickly you know some want to be sure that she will immediately get all the support you know her memoir is called and educational when i did just this is an idealist who has been weakened by kind of played here before revealing something that was all b.s. you know and of course i think a lot of it means they won't buy it because it is sold ok i want to switch gears here or something but really important is happening and we have both russian officials coming out saying that. the possible renewal of the start arms control agreement is it's there isn't enough time before it lapses in 2021 in

as i said earlier to you glenn is that bolton's gone but bolton is and remains here it's not it's not enough coverage is given to this i think it's very very important it's a last large important control agreement from the cold war in the us is it showed no interest whatsoever to renegotiated or even extended and it's should worry many because i think we're going to almost a used to having this nuclear there. we're no longer having this very destructive nuclear confrontation about that seems to be unraveling very quickly again we step by step a lot of this cold war nuclear agreements arms control agreements have been falling apart and this is not nothing in the pipeline to replace them and seemingly russia is a bit worried that this is the last one falling apart and it will unleash a lot of unpredictability of the armenian community i.m.f. now start in again discuss it previously on this program and initially my thought is proceed towards the american position in terms of having to renegotiate

a lot of them because the world us changed technologies have changed there's a lot of a. reasons why one of their players are in china and now we're having a new weaponry coming along as well so on one hand states do want to take a bit of. arm spot and also have to include china which wasn't there before but i'll have this this idea that you know some rival everything and then hope you can put something to back back to get later on it seems unlikely this deal's common. agreements in place after a huge crisis so it seems that this is right they were heading we're going to go towards some. military standoff and that would create the impetus for you know it's really interesting we need we look at the trump is the great disruptor but in a way when it comes to arms control the lack of these agreements is the disruption itself and i think that you know glenn is absolutely right we're going into uncharted waters here we have a vastly improved technology and for these horrific weapons here we should be

talking arms control now more than ever before but it's not happening you know but you see there even not covered at all their arms like the biological and chemical weapons and also. i mean for instance to the earthquake or whatever and they can create from it natural disasters all that was not covered buddies to reduce and you know no i think it was more important whether their leaders as a more left leaning journalist i must say i find it difficult to applaud to a president like mr trump but he actually he is probably better than the arms control or because he's starting to withdraw troops and well he's charlie charlie let me this is this goes back to the 1st part of our conversation here i mean whatever his inclinations are and he's not a studied man when it comes to foreign policy it is obvious as glenn has pointed out somebody whispered in his ear what about the oil in the in the trump clung to

that again it was very very clumsy. in unsophisticated and i think it goes against his own instinct what i want to say enough about the 1st part of the program is that public opinion is behind trump's inclination to withdraw troops from around the world and these wars. you have this terrible torrent or misinformation from the mainstream media you know immediately after trump announced that he was withdrawing the troops they started this narrative he betrayed the kurds the kurds are going to be exterminated nothing happened actually to the kurds they were not exterminated you know there is a new process going on but we get the kind of its foreign policy russia is the only winner in syria although you know in germany trump makes need to all to a toy army you know this is. someone who came to discuss and sound on

who interviewed putin probably a dozen times and he says all drawn gave up to putin and we can only start understanding the seriousness of the situation so you have these torrent of misinformation you know that public opinion may be for withdrawing the troops but these people are they have no access to the movie and the media is pushing this narrative you know that which is completely wrong i mean nato is still even the european nato allies they spend 4 times more than russia on weapons and you call it that i mean. you know the united states is still in syria can control the oil and no we read in the new york times that trump is using it probably for political leverage over syria imagine that i came to your apartment 2 or something and then i see this is not fair i mention it but for political leverage against you i will give you back your mind if you because the information age is over there has been

there for thousands of me to thousands to to destabilised and over. throw the syrian government and now half a 1000000 people are dead they illegally occupied the country and yet the outrage is that they're leaving from an illegal occupation of a foreign country and the media somewhat relieved that at least trump said he would take the oil as a way of stating that you know this is going to go the moral argument over to the interesting thing is that with the smuggling of syrian oil outside of the country it's a violation of the sanctions the us itself and syria when it comes to all the ladies were there they were there were they were the ones breaking the sanctions themselves here 10 seconds you could make it out this is not what this is part of the problem with it why they have put himself in a difficult position so this idea of just you know a company run out of from the north this obvious a lot of problems with it but but you can see also where it comes from have tackled it's difficult when there is a need we haven't figured out the syrian problem on this program he writes well the

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in the world corrupted you need to descend. to join us in the depths. aura maybe in the shallowness of. today there are good terrorists and bad evidence the bad terrorists and those in yemen who the united states deems to be a threat the looked at those one in syria the cia and the us military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. where they were assassinating populist leaders they were backing up the right way military juntas funding an army of death squads there's no any more because there's always a small income for a really good. profit.

a lot of people like to use were to let go of smaug very good analogy but when we have soul towers on every to every big building when we are going to put these 5 g. generators on every light pole on every street it is certainly electro small and it's getting worse. my world became smaller and smaller and smaller and tell i ended up winning it in a box and in a shielded room way the same person that was helping us to shield found the right material to hold back that particular frequency that was coming in and burning my skin and we built a room it looks like

a little foil but it's not it's 3 layers thick and like a very very fine chicken wire in the middle of it there were days that i didn't know it the sun came up the sun went down in a christmas came around we had christmas inside the cellar room as we like to call it. which is you know depending on how you look at it could have been really sad but we made the best of it. having christmas in here meant a lot to all of us it was so many events so many school events so many things that my wife could not to she even missed her daughter's graduation to college it was 34 hours away she couldn't take the drive and she could stay overnight. and you know it's the kind of thing you're really tell people because one don't think you crazy to the guest room to stay in and that's why i bother so for the last.