that school that's going to a group of 8 people more i'm going to get i understand that it will be some of them out never understand something i was a teacher for many years it's not possible to prosecute all the pupils if they came up with racist views one of the best things to do was to come up with a system where you could try and challenge those who don't talk about the details because they're. trying to talk about when you know public service and your professional dealing with people inside the public so you probably haven't done that so no i'm saying that you know we got to be confrontational it was usually no idea if your black avoid your black face raise your hands and not let you know you for a livelihood and finally to explain which i think i'd rather not stand up to racism and steven morris the national secretary for the english democrats thank you both for your time. after breaking news just in now dutch police say they're investigating a quote suspicious situation on board an aircraft. report suggested emergency

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time after time see we're going underground 48 hours ahead of an extradition to the united states hearing to decide the future of the world's most famous publisher wiki leaks is julian assange coming up on the show as hundreds are arrested in that could all protesting the regime of the man julian assange jova to u.k. authorities in marino we speak to the country's revolutionary former president rafael correa the 1st granted the wiki leaks founder asylum and his father john shipped an appeal to boris johnson to support international law for his visit to the u.n. condemned supermax prison in london where his son is being held in solitary plus will u.k. labor leader jeremy corbyn do the double and again stop the conservative party from getting a majority in imminent general election all the support going on in today's going on the ground but 1st today 52 years ago the cia helped to make a man from latin america immortal.

this is what che guevara's brother one martine told us about the assassination the cia or today but it was the believing that execute the assassination. was in charge . it was the army general in bolivia the cia was directing it it was the believe in. lights because what was being said at the time was that he died in combat. today che guevara. as image flies on a 1000 flags and banners from those of the gilles a show on protesting president micro in front of those fighting climate change in britain and then in marino in ecuador uniting them all is opposition to washington imperialism and now that imperialism takes center stage here in britain because of

a killing near us massive alien space 70 miles from london we're going to begin with a deadly car crash in england that has led to a diplomatic standoff with the u.s. every dawn was struck and killed in august and police say they were about to arrest a u.s. diplomats wife in the case but that american was allowed to leave britain under diplomatic immunity so what goes on at the pentagon controlled area base near where the former u.s. state department sansa coolest married to a washington spy and then the killed british teenager harry done live with snowden documents suggest the drone communication base croton was crucial in president obama's illegal mess of a once program president obama is doing some major international damage control after news that the n.s.a. has been spying in france mexico and brazil and now germany may be on that list as well german chancellor angela merkel says it would be quote a serious breach of trust if u.s. intelligence targeted her cell phone she complained about it yesterday to president

obama himself who told her the u.s. is not monitoring and will not monitor her phone did obama lied did he break the law when his agents brought down the man liner and visited edward snowden who turned to wiki leaks for help before being granted asylum in moscow well wiki leaks founder julian assange just still alive as he faces extradition to the usa in a hearing in london on friday for revealing war crimes we'll speak to julian assange his father john shipped in a book too but joining me now via skype from brussels is the president who gave asylum to julian it's former president thanks for coming on the show let's just begin before judean as sons to what is happening in ecuador than marino your successor accuses you of an attempted coup in ecuador we're getting reports of 30. field sees 12 percent of a good boy an oil output hit and he himself has fled the capital. thank you very much for this opportunity and for letting me tell for the world what is happening in ecuador everything that is happening now is the government's fault

he betrayed the program approved in the elections and adopted an extremely near liberal losing program they had a terrible agreement with the i.m.f. to the crisis by cutting the domestic financial sources reducing taxes for the wealthy and increasing useless expenditure and there you have the consequences when he had to set a very strong package of measures poverty had already increased 3 points after 10 years poverty started growing with this government is growing 3 points and the very drastic package of measures was the tipping point where amongst other things he doubled the price of diesel one of the main fuels and this tried people's patience that's the reason for the protests well i'll get to christine legarde for stare at the measures in a moment she's of course leaving the i.m.f. to run the defacto e.u. bank the c b but what do you think about lenin merinos chances of staying in power he's fled to kill and there are reports of him saying killings to come although the minister of defense has said there are not tanks on the streets of your capital camouflaged

. condition but let's start with the final part of the question believe me perhaps it is hard for me to be objective because i've also been persecuted by this government but i don't remember since i have political understanding having seen a repression of this magnitude in the seventy's we had military dictatorships i was a teenager but not even at that time i remember the people being so brutally restrained so he takes this decision by suppressing constitutional rights by bugging communications looting houses without illegal order and all of this they are also using the force even with lethal weapons against the protesters so this is something that has not been seen before i don't remember anything like this since i have political. understanding in terms of government the government has already fallen marino's already fallen they have to look for a democratic and constitutional way of keeping peace and keeping the country running otherwise they can lead us to a civil war more than a civil war

a brutal repression by the enforcing authours luckily our constitution offers those measures those democratic and institutional measures the article 130 allows the assembly in case of a social turmoil to 2 thirds of its members to authorize the election to be brought forward and the president himself in article 148 of the constitution has the faculty to bring the elections forward why isn't he doing this he knows that if he brings the elections forward he will be losing and we will win. so he prefers the country to fall they prefer the violence they prefer this very serious situation instead of getting out by the measures that i insist are part of the constitution in a perfectly institutional and perfectly democratic manner do you think he wants to be the next pinochet no lenin moray he was a puppet of the oligarchy but he has been an instrument and he will stay there as long as he serves the grips of power why former president do you not in ecuador now

with the 10s of thousands of indigenous people demonstrating in quito and will you run again to become leader of ecuador in i am not interested in that my plans for life or others i had to get back into politics because they destroyed my nation and mainly because of the past and great persecution we have been through and that could all crimes of hatred have taken place every day they say we have to chase the car easters we have to clean our government from the car which is not only allowed by the media but also fostered by certain press creatures that do hate us because they experience restrictions their privilege and their abuse when we were there from 2007 to 2017 was the decade of most progress of the nation in history we doubled the economic product we were the regional champions in reducing poverty in reducing inequality and this is not understood here in europe that is something that the elites do not like it bothers them because it is only in the vertical

direction of social relationships in the inequalities that they have that power and well being because they believe they are superior to others if you offer our elites to be 3 times more prosperous but equal to the rest of the people they will reject that well speaking of media your in europe why do you think the media arguably seem more interested in pictures of demonstrations in all call and previously demonstrations against dura in venezuela then. cause. on the streets of quito in your country the answer is obvious it's because they play a clear political role it would be enough to see except for a few exceptions who owns the head demonic media the national ones within the latin american countries which is a very serious problem but on international level they do not belong to the pool they do not belong to charities except for a few exceptions they belong to the big capital and they play a political role to defend the status quo and the media at the national level in

our countries and other global levels plays a political wrong but at least at a global level they keep certain limits more professionalism as you said there is a totally symmetry in the information double morality if there are demonstrations in hong kong they are not even sorry if they are against the chinese regime they will be shown every day right i want to ask you about julian assange in a moment but i've got to ask you because today is the anniversary of the washington linked killing of che guevara imagineer liberalism why do you think his face is on the flags probably of flags in your capital city certainly from on flags of the liaison in paris and across front what does he mean to you on the anniversary of his death. well again. they talk about democracy and respect of human rights when it is convenient to them so the killing of che guevara is a good example of that he was captured while he was alive and he was executed extra

judicially while he was in prison it was a crime who was sanctioned for that crime and ordered by the actual cia they have the names and nothing happens it is like the case of julian assange which they chase the ones who discovered the war crimes but not the ones who committed them here and these crimes are still on punished as in the case of che guevara what is the meaning of sake of or we could agree or disagree about the ideology of che guevara but no one could deny his authenticity and his attitude to go through extreme sacrifices even to leave his family and give his own life for his ideology and that is something that should be respected by everyone. well you gave asylum to julian a son judge your embassy in london he's facing a court hearing on friday for extradition to the united states for espionage what did you make of the el pais revelations that your embassy was actually being bugged the edge of the by cia link security services including the bugging of his lawyer geoffrey robertson queens counsel remember they said exactly the opposite that from

the embassy chilliness and used to spy there was evidence that they had been spying on me and my family and spying on julian songe even the sacred conversations but client with his lawyer so it is extremely serious and take it as granted that julian assange and will be extradited to the united states always from the beginning that was the agreement you said you may have been the subject of surveillance to do you think that came from washington and do you think that whistleblowers of war crimes by nato countries boris johnson told trump who previously said he liked with the leaks he loved wiki leaks they want dead as a lesson to other whistle blows so you see the international double morality and the asylum granted to julian assange is not because we agree with whatever julian assange just done i believe the nations in terms of national security certain information should be confidential for war crimes cannot be hidden but the asylum was granted to him because there were no guarantees of the fact process and because

he was to be charged with laws that allow for the death penalty to threaten the interim american system of human rights only human rights treaties at a global level are against the death penalty of former president greg thank you you're welcome after the break julian assange just father says the world's greatest journalist publisher is close to death as he battles for his life while facing 175 years in the u.s. from experts and is about the u.k. minority leader boris johnson is hit by a wave of scandals alleging everything from corruption to more attempts to break the law and we really believe the polls. head of an imminent general election all the small coming up about to have going underground.

welcome back ame part one we heard form a dorian president rafael correa de facto claim the cia illegally spied on him well also monitored as being the publisher he gave asylum to in his london embassy yet after u.k. torture according to the u.n. week he thinks founder julian assange faces a friday london court hearing certified by boris johnson's minority government the court declined to tell going on the ground who will preside over the case it's by delegations of m i 5 links to his prosecution joining us on just father john chipped in joins me now thanks so much sean for coming in person that you're going underground studios you've seen julian in the past 24 hours how easy is he faces 175 years in an american prison sort of drill in this morning for an hour. and as you would expect is a bit down in the dumps. and disturbed by the ceaseless and and intensifying persecution of him that's going on now from no

news so. i presume that he's seen still in the hospital we. have and there is. activity in action to improve his circumstances he still spends 22 rounds a day in solitary. and only recently he's been given court piper's to prepare the skies does he know what's going on because of course he said didn't. bail hearing when the asked by a judge here do you want to take the opportunity to apply for bail he said the lawyers are handling it i don't know i don't understand what's going on there's a technical hearing where in the judge. magistrate briefs are in the extradition court took it upon herself to hear

a case that wasn't before and having heard because she concluded that really in order not to receive by a. mob view it says game but in fairness julian's lawyers didn't apply for bad or they didn't apply to talk. judge the judge right applied herself by have and then refused you're very aware the wiki leaks revelations change the lives of millions around the world they've discovered the truth about their governments what sort of support is your son getting today as well as your appearances trying to make the public at large understanding the plight of your son rohan still come i was there last week the support there is strong particularly among. a section of that society. and we did a macho down the main street 300 officers then i went to germany the support there

is very strong in berlin we did a vigil at the brandenburg gate there was a vigil in cologne and one in docile door from another one in frankfurt on the same day and that will be the same on wednesday does your son think that maybe president donald trump could intervene famously who said he loved wiki leaks who is he holding out hope for in this maze of legal problems and hearings i magine you know i don't know i can't speak for julian but i. imagine that. the united kingdom's government asserting its independence and inserting that the independence of the judiciary which up until recently had a very great reputation you don't think the prime minister just wants your son to die and receive the the institutions concern the manage this

process. the crown prosecuting service at the behest of. the foreign and colonial office which acts at the behest of the united states department of justice and say i that i would be delighted if julian collapsed under the pressures that they've put upon him but the judiciary is independent and maintaining their independence is one of their prime concern. or also if the reputation of the united kingdom is to mine they mine time it would be best to a by international covenants and loaves that they've signed on to and you tell them talk to julian about that in prison. presumably he doesn't have as much faith as as you do in the british government is attacked you end up with terrorism obviously

his asylum was breached will you does that that's what they have done and it's both them nothing but obviously and accusation and so. we presume and we hope i can realise it's to their benefit to establish the independence of action and that's the benefit of the u.k. to support international covenants and law which cover the people of the united kingdom presumably he doesn't get newspapers or access to the internet but he said he got some legal documents is he aware of the story in the spanish papers about the fact that he was being bugged by cia linked security contractors what did he say about i haven't discussed that with a minute that's. several ongoing court cases involved there but i mean it's you know they were with they had 3 feeds one for them so which they tried to

sell $3000000.00 another one for the space at the dorian government and another one which was called a swiss we can. which according to david morales who ran the country the company. according to him it went to the cia there's a further difficulty they have because c.i. is part of 5 eyes of the leading. intelligence institution in 5 a striders a member so we have 2 problems they one if that was being fed into our stride if this information then it's a scandal as they knew was happening to julian. if they didn't it's a scandal because this is supposed to share information in both cases it's

going to the australian government they're not helping this is. the government and malcolm turnbull. saint instructed foreign minister bishop to rise the matter with germany which she did and. said you know he's facing serious charges both at the time there were no charges whatsoever he just lawyer. the week before and take it yes then the week later from mr bishop. approach. in sacramento california at a meeting with pio said we're not interested in talking about that might not you know world's forums if you are not saying to act independently your voice is not heard i just simply said well you know a striving will just say what it's told to do but the united states similarly the

united kingdom if it's perceived that the united kingdom doesn't stand up for the laws of the. conventions as a sign to then its voice becomes weak in will form and the emergent emerging multipole there a-t. requires you to have a sound voice in will form to get that you act independently and thoughtfully transshipped and thank you thank you. well u.k. labor leader jeremy corwin appears to have said little or nothing in defense of julian as sunday faces us extradition this is called in the flounders in opinion polls ahead of any imminent general election so how teflon is no bricks it deal boris johnson has just corruption scandals unlawful attempts to shut down democracy joining me now is labor prime minister gordon brown's pollster and founding partner of britain thanks deborah madden's and deborah thanks for coming on the show the

last time around it has to be said the 2017 goal winning greece labor's share of the vote by more than anyone since clever that lead in the why did it live governor . can he do it again he didn't win that crucially and i think it's very important when we say that to remember that he didn't win it was very unusual circumstances and it was particularly unusual that the 2 main parties polled as well as they did because they both collectively they polled more than 80 percent they hadn't done that since the 1970 s. so that was a bit of an outlier it was very unusual it is not what we're going to see in the next election i mean that's what we actually can make what should we believe the polls i mean this week in the past 10 days or so what are we had supreme court decisions in johnson acted unlawfully we've had him throw out $21.00 m.p. now the corruption scandal over funding yet and yet he's doing better we have these rating went up 2 percent after the corruption investigations yeah you know i mean

you have the right to have a because of that 2 percent is obviously within a margin of error so you need to make sure you're looking at and also you need different posters are giving different scores to the main party leaders but one thing is for sure that however you look at it right now boris johnson has a fairly comfortable lead over jeremy corbyn and that certainly isn't changing and it may well be that it's increased a little bit and sort of shored up his view shored up those his views of him over the last few weeks what they think of him is that he is determined and energetic and there is a characteristics that they very much like in a leader it contrasts between in may and certainly contrast to germany corben so with the mismatch between if you go to any of the betting shops in london or around the country corbin is odds on favorite to be the next prime minister by a huge deal and has been for weeks and then as you say ok that one was there a margin you govern opinion so the tories went up in polls by double digits after.

he acted on law and then people complain about posters but actually i'm not sure the betting markets have been any more accurate. in recent years so i wouldn't necessarily place much store by that either to be honest all the polls accurate i don't know it's all that we have and so let's look at them and see what they're saying what i tend to do and what we do thinks in our international work for world things is to marry together the quantitative the numbers with more intimate sort of focus groups and qualitative information that helps us to interpret those polls that's what we've done recently on our work looking at the particularly the 2 main leaders and it's been very telling and it starts to i think explain to you why it is that boris johnson is is liked so much more by voters than jeremy corbyn basically as a sadist in his energetic if we ask him if he was an animal what kind of animal would he be he's something quite strong and tough as a lawyer and his

a ball we played a game where we said it's like put in a china shop yeah we played a game where we said you know if this person was you know as a leader if they were the conductor of the orchestra what kind of music with they play if they were the manager of a football team what would what sort of football with they play and he comes very well out of that so if you say what kind of football team would boris johnson be manager of then the answer is one that is determined to win. whereas if you ask the same question of jeremy corbyn it's a football team that is actually mute in a very neat and sort of rebelling against the manager if we say this was one of the really telling things if boris johnson was a conductor conducting an orchestra what kind of music was he paid people say that is exactly what it's like he is like a conductor his arms are flailing around you have no idea what's going on but somehow it works and you get great music and i think what that tells us is that

people believe that boris johnson has a plan a plan that they can't necessarily understand just like they don't understand how it is the conductor gets great music now there will come a moment perhaps where they start to doubt that right now that's what they're placing their faith in i mean i have to ask you about what it's like actually running this organization britain thinks and finding it because i don't go through all your client list but huge institutions n.g.o.s and multinational companies are relying on this kind of information to predicted this in the context of the fact that i mean even organizations that use this kind of focus group rolling in the burst arguably they got it wrong the tories would. not get a majority with cameron would win a majority in the cameron that would get bracks said. the whole industry of this kind of research in deep trouble but i don't think so i mean i think that that kind

of political polling is obviously not how most companies like mine pay the rent it's something of a sort of shop window for us and obviously it's problematic when pollsters get it wrong and i have said britain things doesn't do that kind of political polling although we analyze other we do do the qualitative work but what we are doing is working with our clients to help them navigate a very difficult and uncertain time and we use a number of different. who's to do that which includes kind of you know really digging underneath the depths of what people feel as well as looking at numbers looking at a date and so on so we bring those things together to sort of both strategic advice . thank you. for the job back on saturday the day after the irish backstop agreement deadline of a greater than 35 years to the date of the provisional bright new term for medical treatment for the tories were killed or injured and they keep good questions would

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