he is i think if they're going to do they're going to lose seats in london again to lose seats in the southwest again to lose seats in scotland the question then the whether that the mythical working class vote the brics it votes in consider up in the northeast and in the midlands they're going to come over abandon labor and go on to the conservatives let's see it's a massive gamble i think at the end we'll get to a positive result from the point of view there simply will get a big increase in seats and we'll get a mandate for a new independence referendum and now for your responses to the program terry says peter obama's excellent never really saw much of him before i must admit his ballance and satan manner refreshing perhaps a show of his own is coming perhaps as. door mogo us says hello ali looking forward to your insight in the political shambles that is breaks it and james

grieve of something of the same theme says great sure again we are on the titanic and we need a lifeboat and listen hard battle says scotland's christmas for flowing to the christmas selection the best present ever red o s webster and finally from ruby dixon no farm of the prime minister she says but door bought us dollars just the scale of scotland a lot of people here runs away every time is in our country. but from the christmas election back to an issue which has been progress this year despite the domination of the european debate cruelty to animals is an issue close to the hearts of m.p.'s constituents and therefore is one of the relatively few issues which can fill even the westminster hall that some such a chamber of the house of commons which is specializes in backbench debates has been no charts the progress of luce's law through the debates in westminster hall to the house of lords to its legs was full of introduction in the house of commons

that the westminster parliament has been dissolved for the general election and the northern ireland assembly remains in abeyance this means that the only problem it's currently in operation in the united kingdom are the national assembly wills and the scottish parliament in edinburgh i trust mr there are no members of parliament merely candidates being lined up by the vedas parties for individual constituencies cynics will say of course that the west this apartment has actually been out of operation for some time being totally deadlocked and absorbed by bricks it that is certainly how it's been reported however and it's not altogether the reality today issue we feature a cross party initiative which is pro forward remarkable legislative success on a subject which means it creates a deal to millions of people cruelty to animals this is how the then in peace across the parties broke through the folk of pics it she joined we achieved stick to regulation of the seal of poppies otherwise known as lucy's law which will now come into effect next year from. the smuggling

a heart is an industry perpetrated by people motivated purely by money they can make up to an incredible $35000.00 pounds per week illegally transporting puppies through our borders to be sold on unsuspecting dog lovers in the u.k. and the root cause of puppy smuggling seems to indeed be these with which gangs can abuse the pet travel scheme that operates across europe of was known as pets so it's a notable gentleman forgive me for giving way and he rightly identifies the large sums of money to be valued by the individual canards crime and don't they make a very fine cost benefit calculation and therefore doesn't that bring in force the need a whole number of animal charities in order to actually raise the penalties for for maltreating maltreating out of the malls and also confiscation of vehicles so that there's no longer is a plain business this is a matter for people in the street they care that the animal they bring into their homes to become a partner from is an animal that has been cared for i am a supporter of making life and impossible for those fretting the rolls with the

regard for well fresh and that's why i'm here today to support on the dumb and everybody else that i see him as chair of the all party parliamentary group for told where all fear after all his successful meetings on the subject and well attended members events backed up by a very well supported e.d.m. and e.p. tension securing over 100 place and signatures and just 13 days unsupported by the arabs p.c. kennel club and almost every other welfare organization in the u.k. was also instrumental in the success of the cease law and i commend all of the work that's been done to bring this sport i know it's i'm concerned that this legislation going to not come into force until 2020 and i hear what the minister said. but i would like to press a minister on why this cannot be done sooner christmas comes between now and april 2020 and many families may succumb to the pressure. to provide a kitten or

a puppy for christmas it would be much better if pet shops were not able to display kittens or puppies in the run up to christmas the savoy date unnecessary misery and suffering a new path to christmas is often followed by possible bonding that in january this legislation is important because it puts into place lucy's law it establishes a ban on the commercial 3rd party sales of puppies and kittens under 6 months of age in england a band that's been called for by committed campaign is and has overwhelming public support this is a positive step forward in cracking down on scrupulous breeders and tackling the scourge of poppy smuggling alex spoke to one of the parliamentary organizers serving as shit if lisa can. lisa welcome back to the it's of i'm sure thank you very much this idea of the clothing no parliamentary agenda has made it difficult for members of parliament to represent the causes that the normally would

do by parliamentary activity i think in many ways it is however there have been opportunities to take it forward and given that the government has had to bring forward there was i think where there's cross party engagement and consensus and particularly in relation to animal welfare on lisey's law which is the ban on 3rd party poppy sales in pet shops and through poppy farmers what you say because the government consumer this epic parliamentary battle on the other legislation is told to be consensual not as provided a lot of truth to a stranger with additional opportunity for members of parliament to bring forward their only job yeah i think our hearts and we've really capitalized on not as a c. we had massive success with lisey's law and we also had friends law brought through which is to protect service dogs and to make sure that animals are here in service

if they're attacked that there is a law where those who perpetrate are can be held responsible and accountable so i hope all will feel both domestic and they didn't the last that has been one of your your key campaigns as a campaigning member of parliament how does a vigil m.p. go both getting the issue onto the agenda and making progress through the laws of the initiatives you've mentioned there i mean i tear em all party parliamentary welfare so that's been. based in terms of making sure that we pick through this agenda in parliament and that we get the across party members to support it that we need to do so. i honestly think in parliament over the. couple of years although the agenda hasn't been as phyllis perhaps the government would have light we have to be able to capitalize on not and not spin fantastic for animal welfare right across united kingdom but with

a cover thank you so much for joining us again on the. short term we saw a little bit of the normal activities of of parliamentarians continue despite brits thank you very much. so a parliamentary success but what difference will actually make who better to ask than the celebrated market for him how does it work innovate on television personality go by marshalling across party campaign in the palace of westminster mark speaks to alex. and i'm delighted to be joined by mark abraham better known at least twitter handle as mark mark welcome to the alex salmond shill hi alex i don't know if you have just achieved a. pretty significant campaigning success eleusis law how what is it tell us that and how did you manage that when blacks as completely dominated the political agenda well firstly thanks for inviting me to be on your

show lucy's law is basically a ban on the sale of puppies and kittens by commercial dealers so anyone who isn't the breeder selling the poppy of the kittens so for example pet shops people motorway service stations anyone who delivers a popular kid into your house so the person who hasn't actually bred the dog or cat is a 3rd party dealer the reason this is important to ban is because 3rd party sellers these dealers enable and encourage poppy farming to happen behind closed doors so it's a campaign against poppy farming and poppy farming happens in wales and scotland in ireland in eastern europe in england and poppy farming is the mass production of dogs purely for profit with no regard for their welfare or twice a bad thing i mean why is the mass production of poppies to a willing audience why it's a essentially a bad thing it's a bad thing because the conditions that they're kept in just horrific because the public never see them and the local authority inspectors may see them maybe once

a year so the rest of year it's a free for all so they're kept as a culture animals and straws sawdust in pens they're not socialized they're not vaccinated or not given any form of very treatment and they're basically bred to death the bred every season which is twice a year for dogs until they're infertile and then they're destroyed puppies are removed too early and then the puppies sent around the country sometimes overseas to be sold without their mums by these dealers who could not have been addressed just by better read. elation and inspection. first of all you'd have to have someone inspecting pretty much every day to ensure adequate welfare standards which is obviously impossible. and it's just the process of selling vajra 3rd party is so detrimental to the welfare because they're removed too early to fix a socialization of the puppy that mixed in batches as they go around the country so they transfer disease because they're anxious and stressed and the end product you

see is when people go to a pet shop which is usually regulated and licensed is the fact that this little tiny ball of puppy is actually riddled with medical disease surgical disease and behavioral disease and usually doesn't last more than 24 to 40 hours in the new home so affects human welfare to turn will to mean only lasts 24 to 40 over the. years that they die of the flow they don't know the stress of going to their new home and the end of their mother's limited immunity because they're usually 8 weeks of age they usually overcome with virus typically parvovirus they go downhill very quickly and the new family who's excited and they've got a new bedding and they've got toys and they've got new food is now either burying a pup in the garden or actually telling the vet to put it to sleep because it's in too much pain and can't be treated which talk was lucy so lucy was a cavalier king charles spaniel who was rescued from a licensed copy farm in wales in

a terrible state she had epilepsy dry eye arthritis separation anxiety a cataract in her left eye she was a broken dog and she was discarded because she couldn't breathe anymore she was useless technically she was adopted by a lovely lady called lisa in the west midlands and rehabilitated and lucy were incredible journey in her 3 our 3 years of of living in freedom she met celebrities she attended dog shows and she got a following on facebook which is lucy the rescue cavalier still a fantastic page which. sort of attracted us from around the world and when sadly she succumbed to all her illnesses in december 2016 we decided to all of the campaign to ban 3rd party commercial popping kid dealers after her cool lucy's law and that really proved to be the game changer in the campaign. join us after the break when alex continues his interview with t.v. bit market for him.

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a complete. the day that i was raped i'll be instructed you know told to shut up or they'd kill me and i see how it destroyed my life many screamed at me and he made me come in and you graham my arm and he write me with his birth ink area if you take into account that women don't report because of the extreme retaliation and it's probably somewhere near about half a 1000000 women have now been sexually assaulted in the u.s. military rape is a very very traumatizing thing tat happen but i've never seen trauma like i've seen from women who are veterans who have suffered military sexual trauma reporting rape is more likely to get the victim punished than the offender i had an almost 10 year career which i was very invested in and i gave that up to report a sex offender who was not even put to justice or put on the registry this is simply an issue of tower and file. male sexual predators for the large part of target whoever is there to prey upon whether that's a man or woman. welcome back alex

is in conversation with t.v. that mark abraham who is also behind the campaign for the cecil mark explains how it will make a difference to the lives of so many puppies when introduced next year. i'm remember when i finally got a dog when i was a lot. we got shot to kill teddy soft he'll kill. a breed of. folks. and he came back in the bus with me in a moment of his head sticking the shopping. legal black hole much to the consternation of my father peter because of a load of a month or so remember. some not the kind of not the way that people got poppy's into the house important f. is wrong with absolutely nothing wrong with that if you're going to the breeder which is fine and you're seeing the pop interacting with its mom and its little mates in the place it was born that's how you buy

a puppy responsibly the alternative is to go to a rescue shelter which is also an appropriate way to get a dog so what lucy's lore is all about really is moving forward is the only options available to anyone looking for a dog or cat is to go directly to the breeder and see the puppy or kitten interacting with his mom in the place was born great or to consider rescue as well which also have puppies and kittens that it's removing the poorly bred irresponsibly bred dogs and cats from the system i want to turn to campaigning space yes because i really am fascinated by ho for support a number of members of parliament you've managed to achieve this law in england and wales and coming in scotland as it will how did you manage that against the you were the backbone of the all consuming issue of blacks which has been dominating the parliamentary agenda how did you go about securing that initial attrition i think is one word to somebody up you know no doubt but yeah i think we did are when

i was growing up i had no interest whatsoever in politics or history or law i was artists collecting caterpillars not even talking to other humans i was the nerdiest geekiest square ever. and i will only cared about helping animals went to school continued to be quite geeky went at the brain averse thing discovered having a good time let's say in the wonderful city of edinburgh and then i. i'm a vet obviously and i saw some puppies come into my emergency clinic one night suffering from a disease called parvovirus. and i identified where they were from they were from a dealer buying him in from a license puppy farm and that was the spark that ignited me then started doing awareness talk shows because doing the t.v. work at the time with paul o'grady in the morning so i had a media profile. which started in brighton where i live then i moved to london but it's a very retro wryly with super kings all these celebrities came on board to support raising the profile but it wasn't enough so i started to go to westminster to find

out if there was more i could do i met some phenomenal parliamentarians many s and pull morning and lisa cameron martin day tommy shepherd really influential for my campaign and it was cross party so caroline lukas goldsmith was thompson as well. really committed animal welfare focused parliamentarians and we just carried on campaigning with rallies and events and drop ins and every parliamentary tool in the in the tool box which was accessible to campaigners and to find out for alan a welfare killer to say a little politics because you couldn't think of 2 more the split m.p.'s than the ones you've mentioned the ross thompson. killer of johnston a tory from from above dean and tommy shepherd you know a left wing scottish nationalist for from from edinburgh we list quite disparate

people but they're both share the concern for the other but we couldn't agree more it's been phenomenal cross party effort and labor as well you know. when he was in westminster was hugely hugely influential see him in on the shuttle front bench it was an amazing filter actually of of taking away all the other stuff if you like and just focusing on something that people could unite around and push forward and finally get over the line and you know it's thanks. michael gove who is the minister responsible for passing nuisance laura ingle and leslie griffiths of a say in wales and mary crucial in the scottish parliament you can identify your social put your fellow travels in pieces so you get to get them all together. get your politics here this is valuable we have this is last meeting in a way but we the lobbying was so so intense when we finally got it through

we had a petition actually we did 2 we lost our 1st one in 2014 we got the 2nd 100000 in 2018 that took 13 days i mean it's insane how popular this became and it wasn't just popular investments to cross party it was popular with celebrities as popular with the public so we kind of covered every single angle and almost made it unbearable not to pass lucy's door also is important to provide evidence one of the clinchers as well was setting up an a.p.a.p. gene from scratch so i was undersecretary whole passably parliamentary group correct and i set up the a.p.g. for dog welfare and we were able to invite in organizations that were trying to fight and sabotage and block what we were doing and kind of out them so again lisa's the chair lisa cameron is the chair of the a p p g and many s.n.p. members are part that too so as i said we used every tool available and more to finally get this lucy's laura over the line which which we achieved last year and

genuinely can't thank every parliamentarian celebrity member of the public enough for making that happen a we have an amended back in the day when people used to do for the banks and you go into the members' lobby those are common sort of there was an issue for example to selling greenpeace which i was a supporter of then mitchell you made a statement or a speech that entire message board would lay top 40 messages but no of course you. campi beloved in the social media as you tried to persuade the honorable members to come on to your your say so what was the killer of carry forward in the social media if you use a term of office and we've got you know several 100000 followers here waiting to see what you're going to say it's a really good point i mean you know the sort of the 3 dimensional meeting m.p.'s in westminster and i must have been to westminster over 300 times in the last 6 years every day off from work so still are parts invest the whole time. i mention on

social media incredibly powerful to have a hash tag at the end like lucy's law very sharable very memorable to. i'm not one for entertaining trolls i tend to mute or just ignore i don't even block because then they know you've wasted a millisecond of your life thinking about them sensible advice to many celebrities of ugly absolutely what our philosophy in it wasn't just me doing it was a small coalition of campaigners all doing in our spare time was to pour praise on the good parliamentarians and i mean good by the ones who supported and i think if you're getting retreated and shared by mine paid carry out all these accounts plus my all party parliamentary group for the uk welfare. other m.p.'s will see that and they want to be a part of it and we always made lucy's low completely inclusive whether you were working in westminster or living in australia everyone was welcome to be a part of lucy's law so it became a movement that we had very cool celebrities in

a relevant seventy's wreckage of ace and brian may and break to riley so it became this sort of group on so many different levels influencing and being attractive to so many different demographics that i think it became quite hard not to want to be a part of and everyone was welcome so it just escalated and just got bigger and bigger more powerful and was a phenomenal. phenomenal project really to lead and so you've got lucy's law now going for the statute book to westminster and the programme for government for the for the scottish parliament. secures that there so what's next for campaigning in both 2 things actually firstly. how we will be able to know that looses law is being effective of course what with the difference or me and secondly what's next i think we'll know what a difference it makes because there will just be a reduction in poppies entering vet research or ease with problems i think will

also have a reduction in dogs with social problems and behavioral problems because they've been well adjusted and properly socialized as puppies and that goes for kittens too we're also in terms of raising awareness about lucy's law i'm working with defra now to you know when this campaign all come out in the spring because it's already in law but it hasn't been. would you call activated your supposed until the 6th of april so it's going to be a huge awareness campaign around that to make sure that when the law comes it works which is obviously very important and people know about it and next for me is this there's many other animal welfare campaigns i'm involved with and it's a privilege and an honor really to help other campaigns are there to give advice or to represent them or to or just to be on the phone for an hour and just giving some tips on what to do next. good to cap salut the sooner the book is funny you should

say that but you know i am writing a book which is all about lucy's law and they'll be full of campaigning tips as well but it would be how we kind of how we did it from having no resources no background in law no background in politics so changing the law in 3 different countries and effectively securing the best start in life for the dogs and cats not just now but well into the future well congratulations to you and north towards just excess i'm able to present you with the i'll examine quicker no more thank those quite simple you were skilled quakers a graduate federal university a lot of talking about all this course nothing else works well you know plastered load all your animal welfare campaign and we will accept enough. the show lucy's gore campaign was very clear. this was the best results of a particular crime doubt and its represents animal welfare a positive trends from the most and one of the most important pieces of legislation this country's ever seen i will pray thank you sir thank you.

anyone following you keep politics of the last 3 years would be forgiven for believing it has been ultimate a one trick pony successive break to deadlines the knife edge parliament votes the fall of 2 prime ministers the unlawful probing of parliament and finally the 1st wind chill action since fairbairn 1974 the astonishing twists and turns of the bricks melodrama have consumed the papers and dominated online and t.v. coverage however all this notice it seems today show demonstrates that beyond the smoke of the back seat battlefield there has been a remarkably successful campaign to let's cross party support to make progress on the rights of animals it may not be the issue which tops any party's manifesto but it is one which matters to many millions of people the story of lucy's loss shows that there is political life beyond bricks it next week we move from a country entering a general election campaign to a country just finishing one how will the new spanish government tackle the

political crisis in ca to do your join us to find tight but until then from alex and i and all of the shoe is goodbye for now you and i hope to see my. in my iphone i have a 1000 times the capability of that of the computers we had on board the spacecraft at the top i mean it's ridiculous that in my back pocket i have much much more capability to go then we had in the hood in the entire apollo program.

time after time called parishioners repeat the same mantra sustainability it's very important to excel or a transition to sustainable transport sustainability stay number man at a more equitable and sustainable well. they claim their production is completely hama's. it's a complex number. it didn't design the companies want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away and this is something else this must be going to mean and i mean look. this is the move and you mustn't be doing to me man i'm stunned seemed to be based on just good looks so good and. bad guys are financial survival guide liquid assets not those that you can convert into caste quite easily. to keep in mind no assets mean to

a place in the large guys or board. what politicians do so. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected . so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to. have to go right to be close to survival before 3 in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the. first sydney.

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