capital but aside from a new does rarely have strikes on gaza the global south is turning their eyes to latin america not just the super power block of the 21st century brics meeting in brazil's capital the cia backed coup in south america's poorest country bolivia it comes as brazil's most popular politician luis enough your lula da silva has been released from prison igniting hope the recent victories against neoliberalism in venezuela and mexico apart are in a sense in the latin american left joining me now from sao paolo is former president as cody defense counsel for let's take sara martin's one of the those responsible for taking his case to the u.n. and who has spent the past 4 years championing his case for that's good thanks for coming on the show what's the latest on your client lula. thank you it's an honor to be here in russia today so president lula actually was released from jail on friday he spent 580 days in an illegal imprisonment he should never been incarcerated he was in a solitary confinement he was. taken to jail and forbidden from running in

$2800.00 alexion which he would have won had he been able to to run as the united nations. gave an interim to interim measures demanding that brazil allow him to run and to give interviews while in the elections brazil did not comply with its international obligations. and the latest a supreme court decision only it restore and it's just a small step. forward and moving in towards the rule of law in brazil i know you took the case to the u.n. you must be a with the president also now. britain and the united states said do not give ammunition to the scoundrel who is momentarily free but full of guilt what did you make of your president saying well obviously he has not read the file he has not

studied the cases because we have in all of the procedures overall miley proved and his innocence not only to get through that you accuse asian had no evidence to president lula but that he was innocent and me bro proven his innocence however we were dealing with a presiding judge who had a biased nature and was simply overlooked all of the evidences all of the evidences of innocence that were provided for in the cases in all 3 cases handled by him we have filed a hey vs corpus before the supreme court in november of last year when he surprisingly was nominated. to be the minister of justice of both so narrow which then. made it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was politically motivated while presiding that at the trial and this has corpus. which shewed if granted

a no all the procedures is to be heard by the supreme court so the fight is not over because because he was released but the fight will still go on the legal battle will go on until all of the injustices made against perpetrated against president lula our over over woold and he's free actually real free men with all of these political rights with his assets with his dignity. and his freedom. judge those you moreover as you say the justice minister denies all wrongdoing do you expect him to go to trial and what is the time scale here so this could be at the end of november beginning of december that lulu would be free and then more trial proceedings against the justice minister brazil oh yes reparation to president lula he was illegally detained for $580.00 days he's a 74 year old man this is not something to be taken lightly just be just and the

reason was to remove them from due to 2800 elections. this is something that brazil will have to and the legal community will have to understand that we have to meet and comply with our international obligations with human rights with our constitutional basic principles and with our legislation i know all of the documents all of the testimonies and i can affirm and reaffirm to you that there is no guilt there is nothing that would indicate a guilt. actually the only thing that we're not wrong in this entire political persecution what we call law fair is that that is innocent so they broke into his house they they searched and seized his house took him on their arrested him for 6 hours in an airport released illegally. a video audios of private

conversations between his wives his late wife and his church and her child. private conversations of the family and the wars is the fact they surveil surveyor surveyed. and wiretapped our law firm just to get an upper hand strategic information on the defense on the moves and strategy of the defense they've. monitored. 25 lawyers more than 300 clients just to have an upper hand on the defense strategy they listen to all the conversations between lula and his attorneys between the defense team and up to the point up to now nothing has been done. in this regard go so nobody has been held accountable this is a major breach of basic defense right basic human rights

so did the you personally because i don't know whether you think this is an echo of the famous case when the president dilma rousseff she turned the plane back from washington when she was under surveillance from the national security agency in washington do you see that both of our as using u.s. surveillance techniques against your device you're a law firm well i was not so nervous about a judge moral while presiding the investigation he authorized the monitoring wiretapping of our landline of one of our. farms partners cell phone as well as monitor all of lula's telephone calls with his attorneys with the different attorneys so they strategize then they monitor they make a good anticipate all of the moves all of this defense strategies so this is a this by itself should be reason enough. to lead to

a know all of the procedures against president lula president both of our o. is the 1st brazilian president ever to go to langley to cia headquarters there's nothing to suggest is there the judge morro got help from the cia when they were monitoring all of the well we are still both sonera said last week that he would not be president if mara had not accomplished his mission. this is made. what we say in his behavior is corpus we are saying that both moral act acted politically morrow was acting as a political figure a political 0 ponens of low presiding. over the case without any jury you have to remember them brazil we don't have juries only in very. exceptional cases death death related cases and a few others but the thing is this man who is politically motivated by

is an all manners that you can imagine. he ordered lula to be arrested he convicted in spite of all of the evidences of innocence that were produced in the file. and then it becomes. an hour away and he removes a lot of the race and he becomes then minister of justice and what is being speculated now is that he wants a seat in the supreme court. now held by to mallow the oldest supreme court justices in the court. so it is it is it is it is so clear and avid and that is motivation while presiding the case of all preside investigations were never fired curbside to fight corruption they were

political reasons imagine you have to fight with your legal team the power of the federal police the internal revenue service. the prosecutor's office with a judge that was on their side as the carwash leaks have clearly now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was working with the accusation against lula and that they knew in the 1st game. that there was no evidence linking lula to the petro brass to the oil and gas state owned better scandal you didn't mention the cia so presumably you're not alleging. from washington but tell me would you have even got to this stage would be free without the release of the watch signal and telegram audio recordings . apparently helped you ok well let me go back then in just a minute we are absolutely certain and we have asked the courts to look into the

d.o.j. . and all its. surveillance agency's informal cooperation with the. carwash task force we are absolutely certain n s has as the prosecutor has already announced that they were out there were responsible for the construction of the gays i guess president lula we want to track we want to have access to all of the evidence to make sure that this informal cooperation is brought to public and. is used by the defense because we have no doubt that they were working together with the operation to illegally any legitimate li persecute politically you mean the united states. the united states i mean the didn't department of justice. alongside with with their police

powers in various cases this is the key informally is what our constitution does not stand for our laws are very clear in terms of sovereignty that. they have information has to go through proper sham channels in brazil and they have been working informally with the d.o.j. since perhaps the using of back in one snowden was monitoring. former president dilma. that is what we want is to have access to all of the information to determine whether there was. some mates for there or intermission by the d.o.j. in our sovereignty and just finally in terms of what it means for the entire world the amazon rain forest is in brazil the world's largest or certainly the world's most important natural resource arguably both so narrow as ugly cut it down to

your club wanted to save the rain forest what is the bigger importance of the case of nothing of the silver well lou it will be this is what he told us yesterday and he will be running brazil speaking to every leader in the world to save democracy not only in brazil but to make sure that indigenous peoples rights are respected that 70 respected that the land of his is respected this is what these messages will fight for the people of brazil and for every people in the world to make sure that their rights are upheld. that no more destruction is done in the name of private interest against public against the poor and against against the country but already planning to to go tour the country and and make sure that new plans to fight the destruction that is in our country and and in

other countries as well overturned let's get to experience since thank you thank you after the break as countries representing a combined g.d.p. of $16.00 trillion dollars we did the bric summit in brazil we asked the country's former finance whether it's to luis calio recip are rare if u.s. influence on brazil is crushing growth in the global south all this more coming up a budget of going underground. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to be. the 2 going to be press it's like well before 3 in the morning can't be good. i'm

interested holes in the walls and not how. things should. feel or or specter of socialism 30 years after the fall of the berlin wall social and is now remarkably popular what explains this how to explain why so many successful and even privileged people look to socialism to solve social problems maybe it's because liberalism itself is failing. your government and our government and all the other major governments of the world know what's going to them when it's going to. but they haven't told you and they haven't told me they haven't announced. imagine something as big as the earth is

going to cause tidal waves earthquakes volcanoes erupt and it's going to hell. so worry for a while right. my great grandfather's. nobody would care about the law or prison so you'd have wallace those should have. a terrible life between the and the. welcome back as we heard in part one the leaders of the brics nations together representing half of the world's population meet in brazil today for a summit hosted by brazilian president higher balsa naro among subjects like increased security cooperation the future of the amazon rain forest the shadow of washington interference will arguably hang over the meeting after western backed coup attempts across latin america from bolivia to venezuela joining me now via

skype from paris for more on this and the significance of the brics on it is brazil's former finance minister who has a new east colace press app pereira thanks so much professor for coming on the show before we get to the brics summit is it your understanding that washington was behind the coup in bolivia in the past few days i don't know if formation that was loose behind what's very clear is that there was a good at it what is what's asked. now why not only because he was a nationalist and this is not present to the united states but also because he made a big mistake in the last election. there was a problem when they suspended for some time to county and there was clearly some intervention to guarantee to him. just to be elected divorced he didn't and that he did not need that but this we continue very much and this mistake it ended

a. government that was very successful i think in that country like we needed it's a country very difficult to go there is a country. in this country. what alice that 5 percent. every year. that's latinas. and there was steady that in the last year seems began to make it difficult and now we have this this. tragedy called to believe in people because the coup in. livea is making waves even in britain we're under broadcasting restrictions here because of imminent election but the conservative party the liberal democrats the labor party sion frame green party yes and they're all out they all of us and in the united states as we can talk about donald trump says this is a victory for democracy that evo morales is gone while alexander cortez the

prominent u.s. senator presidential candidate bernie sanders they are expressing their does may that even more others as i had to leave the country you seem to be saying there is some fault there with evo morales you you echo the organization of american states view that he was wrong in abusing his power look at raising their tour as a good president he made a mistake in the election and this he also its position will. make another election. but do you position obviously we salute blocked external support me do press and press and the army for he was not able to control the army what alice and then you have to go now and this is. a very sad thing for them obviously the mood received was. it we don't have democracy now when will you go to the last 14 years this is effect and they're not

a model it is a look at that would present because they believe the debate is really as far east as. sadness and finally was a disaster and what alice and was not a disaster at all ok i'm pretty sure president maduro would differ from that view of chavez let alone yes that alone where you just said about about teva marla's tell us what you think of this summit to break summit in brasilia what can we expect above the narrow of. as the host as a good friend of washington i think that this is a pathetic reunion to have been a very important scene as the breaks of a with a deal there to deal with foreign biggest countries in book relation plus south africa and what tonight it. and to share problems and. big countries that are supposed to be independent autonomous parts of bating in the

world so society can do all of the. independent way and is a stroll in the bricks were created in brazil who had the rule not all a little before him. and brazil has a tradition of a reasonable alternative the. foreign policy politics and it is chanted fully and his balls are not also a matter of already. exposed very strongly his allegiance his commitment to his native state. manner that i may view is contradictory is a deal of the brics but arguably the biggest cia base in the world the permanent one is in brazil our really dependent as brazilian a foreign policy being even on the moon or even on the roof f.

i know of course we'll get on to the fact miller has been released from prison yes the fact is that. brazil is essentially a dependent country. it was told this country till the eighty's but since 1990 color illustrations brazil decides to adopt the. ideas. of open its economy commercial terms and in financial terms and from that moment all the rest of the rules of brazil that was around. for. going to 5 percent a year at the temples barrier 8 195986 then is it a point 8 percent that was assessed for us saying you supported the dictatorship in brazil drano absolute mean i don't know not only did i say i know the navy. strong defense of democracy i had been all of these but they don't think that these

this change in outcomes from 4.5 percent to 0.8 is due to democracy it is due to the option for a merely broke regime with the actions agreed to be game over a very good deal older with interest rates became very high and the people there do want really just in this matter the rentier and financiers ok but the bric summit they're supposed to be all about threatening the neoliberal convince us what do you think of together these countries can threaten the i.m.f. world bank new liberal consensus which has forced privatization and the power of finance capital on these countries the i.m.f. the world bank what about firsts that i met and they material are instruments of

did nelly ruled an asian indian look sees. the 80s but maybe may do is that now liberalism is in crisis is in crisis in the warped india in the in the developed world in the ritual. i now understand that the election of united states and the brics it in britain and many cistercians of this the analysis ramel say that what stepping is tracked is a populist threat to liberal democracy. i don't think szell i think that what does this do these movements are happening as also italy broker instance some of the loss and that that will never only liberalism all deeper globalization project but we can think also globalization as a project a project of the united states of the rich countries specifically don't make states

. opening old the old the frontiers. and the meeting can tell is moving nearly broke up there is everywhere and this failed bailout because they suppose that with this they would think we. don't vantage would be for the rich countries and it was not interventionist by china and more recently is also for india trent says this is very clearly and has to change i think this time to changing our own weight. is an altered diet in himself. and the right is too much to make based and a so that mcgrath's went into a bit of the strong by devise the problem there i suppose one of the biggest issues on the planet is the climate catastrophe the impending climate catastrophe it is ironic that the biggest resource on the planet that rory thor's is the amazon

a lot of it of course in brazil and this is where the bric summit is being held you think climate crisis and maybe. infrastructural investment in climate change technologies we part of the brics talks in brasilia to their well i hope something happens on this matter because the climate problems is a very bottom problem only now we also know that to us against the ideas sensually so i do it is difficult for me to understand how they are going to. do scares this giving this position maybe they realize that they must still sort of get together with the chinese the russians and the indians and they do something good because it's very important of course when he was president said the brics should be about replacing the dollar as a reserve currency is that off the table though why not take and so long for the

brics countries to properly create a new currency no i think that does make no sense if the us said years ago i was wrong. the idea of. changing the currency is something that takes time when does america problems not a political problem the chinese that are more near these. a when they will do festing this matter they can be endangered they aren't rules because the rules of china may do or every country to have the control of dictionary and keep it competitive not all bad but competitive make indeed with companies in the country to be competitive you need to also to have an exchange rate that's competitive then the idea of an international moon a message be slow slowly day just finally then what we are thoughts when you saw

president lula former president lula being released from jail in brazil a lot. very happy i think that he is measurability sion he makes his mistakes for sure but he was a great good president and a very democratic president and then center to the left not extreme left at all most are mad it was history right. we've had in brazil well 15 years elder nation between a social democrat. centered to the left government of the ruling center to the right of the candles and that's all very it was a good democratic system and then there are mistakes in the administration. as all the facts and the pain and the we got into a major crisis because it was today president these pieces a major economic and moral crisis political crisis.

these are not designed not a good time for brazil deputy president he's got us president for era thank you that's it for the show we'll be back of saturday with one of the most popular politicians in south america's richest country chile democratic revolution 5 w. o. jackson will tell us about the ongoing fight back against the legacy of british back to take drug mr pena shantel that he would advise us reader to describe to going on the revenue to. join me every thursday on the alec salmon shore and obviously going to get after the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see that. time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability very important

to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport sustainability stay in one manner the more equitable and sustainable world. they claim their production is completely harmless. the big. companies want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away and this is something else this is the point any minute i mean look. this is the mood stimulus and we didn't even an. undisputed superman in. you know world of big partisan lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and

shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for washing clothes for watching the hawks. in the headlights right now the leaders of the world 5 major emerging economies are in brazil for the annual brics summit to develop economic and political cooperation across the nations are going to go there live later on a correspondent there to give us a preview as well this hour also the news another potential scandal emerges of a data collection by a tech giant the federal investigation has been launched into google's efforts to share information on the health of millions of americans with medical care provided . seeking to ease tensions he says turkey's president says he hopes to reset relations with the u.s. and head to talks in washington later today with double trouble coming up we look at some.