evidences of innocence that were provided for in the cases in all 3 cases handled by him we have filed a hades corpus before the supreme court in november of last year when he surprisingly enough of it was nominated to be the minister of justice of both so narrow which then. made it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was politically motivated while presiding that at the trial and this habeas corpus. which should if granted a no all the procedures is to be heard by the supreme court so the fight is not over because because he was released but the fight will still go on the legal battle will go on until all of the injustices made against a perpetrator against president lula our over over woold and he's free actually real free men with all of these political rights with his assets with his dignity.

and his freedom judge those you more as you say the justice minister denies all wrongdoing do you expect him to go to trial and what is the time scale here so this could be at the end of november beginning of december that lulu would be free and then more trial proceedings against the justice minister brazil oh reparation to president lula he was illegally detained for $580.00 days he's a 74 year old man this is not something to be taken lightly just be just and the reason was to remove them from due to 2800 elections. this is something that brazil will have to and the legal community will have to understand that we have to meet and comply with our international obligations with human rights with our constitutional basic principles and with our legislation i know all of the dock.

it's all of the testimonies and i can affirm and reaffirm to you that there is no guilt there is nothing that would indicate a guilt. actually the only thing that we're not wrong in this entire political persecution what we call lawfare is that that is innocent so they broke into his house they they searched and seized his house took him on their arrested him for 6 hours in an airport released illegally. video audios of private conversations between his wives his late wife and his chin and her child. private conversations of the family and the wars is the fact they surveil survey a survey and. and wiretapped our law firm just to get an upper hand strategic information on the defense on the moves and strategy of the defense they've.

monitored 25 lawyers more than 300 clients just to have an upper hand on the defense strategy they listen to all the conversations between lula and his attorneys between the defense team and up to the point up to now nothing has been done. in this regard so nobody has been held accountable this is a major breach of basic defense right basic human rights so did the you personally because i don't know whether you think this is a go of the famous case when the president dilma rousseff she turned the plane back from washington when she was under surveillance from the national security agency in washington you see that both of our as using u.s. surveillance techniques against your device you're a law firm well i was not also nervous about. judge morrow while presiding the

investigation he authorized the monitoring wiretapping of our landline of one of the firms partners' cell phone as well as monitor all of lula's telephone calls with his attorneys with the different attorneys so they strategize they monitor a good anticipate all of the moves all of this defense strategies so this is a this by itself should be reason enough. to lead to a no all of the procedures against president lula president both of our o. is the 1st brazilian president ever to go to langley to cia headquarters there's nothing to suggest is that the judge mauro got help from the cia when they were monitoring all of well we are still so narrow said last week that he would not be president if mora had not accomplished his mission. this is

basically what we say in his behaviors corpus we are saying that both moral act acted politically morrow was acting as a political figure a political opponent of law while presiding. over the case without any jury you have to remember them brazil we don't have juries only in very. exceptional cases death death related cases and a few others but the thing is this man who is politically motivated by is an all manners that you can imagine. he ordered lula to be arrested he convicted in spite of all of the evidences of innocence that were produced in the file. and then becomes. an hour away and he removes a lot of the raw. and he becomes then minister of justice and what is being speculated

now is that he wants a seat in the supreme court. now held by to mallow the oldest supreme court justices in the court. so it is it is it is it is so clear and avid and that his motivation while presiding the case of all preside investigations were never fight to fight corruption they were political reasons imagine you have to fight with your you know legal team the power of the federal police the internal revenue service. the. prosecutor's office with a judge that was on their side as the carwash leaks have clearly now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was working with the accusation against lula and that they knew in

the 1st case that there was no evidence linking lula to the petro brass to the oil and gas stage owned. scandal you didn't mention the cia there so presumably you are not alleging. in washington but tell me would you have even got to this stage would be free without the release of the water signal and telegram audio recordings that apparently helped your case but let me go back then in just a minute we are absolutely certain and me if asked the courts to look into the d.o.j. and all its. surveillance agencies informal cooperation with the. carwash task force we are absolutely certain and as has as the prosecutor has already announced that they were out there are responsible for the construction of the gays i guess president lula we want to tack. we want to have

access to all of the evidence to make sure that this informal corporation is brought to public and. is used by the defense because we have no doubt that they were working together with the operation to illegally any legitimate li persecute politically you mean the united states. the united states i mean the didn't department of justice. alongside with with their police powers in various cases this is the key informally is what our constitution does not stand for our laws are very clear in terms of sovereignty that. they have information has to go through proper shammed channels in brazil and they have been working informally with the d.o.j. since perhaps the using off ice back in one snowden was monitoring.

former president dilma but this is what we want is to have access to all of the information to determine whether there was. some. foreign there or intermission by the d.o.j. in our sovereignty and just finally in terms of what it means for the entire world the rain forest is in brazil the world's largest or certainly the world's most important natural resource arguably both so narrow as. really cut it down. to to save the rain forest what is the bigger importance of the case of the silver well lou it will be this is what he told us yesterday i mean he will be running brazil speaking to every leader in the world to save democracy not only in brazil but to make sure that indigenous people's rights are respected that 70 respected that the. and risk is respected this is what he's message is we will fight for the

people of brazil and for every people in the world to make sure that their rights are upheld. that no more destruction is done in the name of private interest against public against the poor and against against the country but already planning to to go tour the country and and make sure that new plans to fight this destruction that is in our country and and you know other countries as well overturned let's get $60.00 thank you thank you after the break as countries representing your g.d.p. of $16.00 trillion dollars meet at the bric summit in brazil we asked the country's former finance minister luis called recip are rare if u.s. influence on brazil is crushing growth in the global south all this of all coming up above to have going underground.

feel or or specter of socialism 30 years after the fall of the berlin wall socialism is now remarkably popular what explains this how to explain why so many successful and even privileged people look to socialism to solve social problems maybe it's because liberalism itself is failing. or i suggest as a call the reverse hunger games that reverse hunger games are randomly pick $10.00 to $15.00 billionaires every year and strip them of everything get it down to 0 and course i'm out there make it into the world of commerce and see if they can build it up to scratch again introduce risk back into the american capital system because once you have a certain amount of money there's no more risk you're just clipping coupons for finity and you have no. stake in the game whatsoever.

time after time to repeat the same mantra sustainability. tries board sustainability. the more equitable and sustainable. they claim their production is completely hama's. companies want us to feel good about products while the damage is being done far away this is a this. is a tense situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in venezuela

is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been phased fully implemented inside venezuela things look different we're going to announce sanctions against petroleum to venezuela associated. famously have a supplement is. that it is. the cutting of the moment the focus of the whose story is a new nixon called in henry kissinger to tell him it would not be tolerated in latin america. terms of economic and social system could take hold and therefore the policy would be to make. the chilean economy scream so wants an economy of venezuela screed. welcome back as we heard involved one the leaders of the brics nations together

representing half of the world's population meet in brazil today for a summit hosted by brazilian president higher balsa naro among subjects like increased security cooperation the future of the amazon rain forest the shadow of washington interference will arguably hang over the meeting after western backed coup attempts across latin america from bolivia to venezuela joining me now via skype from paris for more on this and the significance of the brics on it is brazil's former finance minister resume's carlos press apparat thanks so much professor for coming on the show before we get to the brics summit is it your understanding that washington was behind the coup in bolivia in the past few days i don't know really formation that was close behind what's very clear is that what it what is was asked. now why not only because he was a nationalist and this is not present to the united states but also because he made

a big mistake in the last election. there was a problem when they suspended for some time to counting and that there was clearly some intervention to the very deep to him. just to be a lead can do 1st he didn't and that he did not need that but this we continue very much and this mistake it ended a. government that was very successful i think that a country like we needed it's a country very difficult to go there is a country. in this country. what alice. 5 percent. every year. that's latinas. and there was steady but in the last year seems began to make it difficult and now we're going to discuss this. tragedy called to believe in people because the coup in by. livea is making waves even in britain we're under broadcasting restrictions here because of imminent

election but the conservative party the liberal democrats the labor party sion frame green party yes and pay their all that they all have views and in the united states as we can talk about donald trump says this is a victory for democracy that evo morales is gone while alexander cortez the prominent u.s. senator presidential candidate bernie sanders they are expressing their does may that even more others as i leave the country you seem to be saying there is some fault there with evo morales you you echo the organization of american states view that he was wrong in abusing his power look at raising their tour as a good president he made a mistake in the election and this he also its position will. make another election. but do you position obviously we support external support me do press and press and the. reef he was not

able to control the army what alice and then you have to go out now and does a lot. of very sad thing for them obviously the most received was. we do not and they will proceed now in will go ahead the last 14 years this is effect and they're not a model it is a look at that would present because they believe the debate is ritter's far east as. sadness and failure was a disaster and what alice and was not a disaster thought ok i'm pretty sure president maduro would differ from that view of java's level yes but i don't where you just said about about teva marla's tell us what you think of this summit brick summit in brasilia what can we expect above the narrow of. the host is a good friend of washington i think that this is

a pathetic reunion to have been a very important thing as the brinks of a with a deal there to deal with foreign biggest countries in book relation plus south africa and the tonight it to discuss and to share problems and big countries that are supposed to be independent autonomous parts of beijing in the world so society can do all of the. independent way and is a stroll in the bricks were created in brazil who had the rule not all of the thought in doors of brazil has a tradition or is a little all totally. foreign policy politics and it is changing to fully his balls are not also a matter of already the. spoils of very strongly his allegiance his commitment to his native state. manner that i may view is contradictory 'd is

a deal of the brics but arguably the biggest cia base in the world the permanent one is in brazil our really dependent as brazilian foreign policy being even on the moon or even on the roof if i know of course we'll get on to the fact miller has been released from prison yes the fact is that. brazil is essentially a dependent country. it was told this country till the eighty's but since 1990 color illustrations brazil decides to adopt the. ideas. of open its economy commercial terms and in financial terms and from that moment all the regular also brazil that was around. for. going to 5 percent a year at the temples they are 895986 then is it

a point 8 percent that was assessed for us saying you supported the dictatorship in brazil but you don't know the absolute mean i don't know not only that the navy. strong defense of democracy i had been always but they don't think that these does change in outcomes from 4.5 percent to 0.8 is due to democracy it is due to the option for a merely broke regime with the actions agreed to be game over a very good deal older with interest rate became very high and the the people that one really does in this matter the printer and financiers ok but the bric summit this supposed to be all about threatening the neoliberal convince us what do you think of together these countries can threaten the i.m.f.

world bank new liberal consensus which has forced privatization and the power of finance capital on these countries the i.m.f. the world bank what about 1st met and the immaterial instruments of did nearly ruined the relation into what sees. the 80s but the main may do is that now liberalism is in crisis is in crisis in the warped indi in the in the developed world in the rich will. understand that the election of the united states and the brics it in britain and many cistercians of this the analysis normal say that what stepping is tracked is a populist threat to liberal democracy. i don't think so i think that what does

this do these movements are happening as also being entirely progressed and some of the loss and at that all know only liberalism all deeper on to globalization project but we can think also globalization as a project a project of the united states of the rich countries specifically don't make states . opening old the old the frontiers. and a meeting can tell is moving nearly broke up there is everywhere and this failed failing because they suppose that with this they would think we. don't veges it would be for the rich countries and it was not interventionist by china and more recently is also for india says this very clearly and the 1st to change i think this time to changing our own weight. is an altered diet in himself. and the right is too much to make taste and

a source of the mcgraths anyway bourbonnais these trump identifies the problem there i suppose one of the biggest issues on the planet is the climate catastrophe the impending climate catastrophe is it ironic that the biggest resource on the planet that rory thor's is the amazon a lot of it of course in brazil and this is where the bric summit is being held do you think climate crisis and maybe infrastructural investment in climate change technologies we part of the brics talks in brasilia to their well i hope something happens and does matter because the climate problems is a very bottom problem only now we also know that to us against dissident their ideas sensually so it. is difficult for me to understand how they are going to. 2 squares this giving this position maybe they realize that they must still sort of

get together with the chinese the russians and the indians and they do something good because it's very important of course when he was president said the brics should be about replacing the dollar as a reserve currency is that off the table though why not take it so long for the brics countries to properly create a new currency no i think that does make no sense if the rule is that these who are wrong. the idea of. changing the currency is something that takes time when does america problems not a political problem the chinese that are more near these. they when they will too fast in this matter they can be endangered they aren't rules because the rules of china may view of every country to have the control of dictionary and keep

it competitive not all the bad but competitive make indeed with companies in the country to be competitive you need to also to have an exchange rate that's competitive then. the idea of an international movement a lesson to be slow slowly day just finally then what way of thought when you saw president lula former president lula being released from jail in brazil i was very happy i think that he is measurable edition he made his mistakes for sure but he was a great good president and a very democratic president and then a center to the left not extreme left at all most a matter is history right. we had in brazil 1415 years elderly should be doing a social good. sinton to the left government of the ruling and sent it to the

right on the goggles and this was maybe it was a good democratic system and then there was a mistake seemed indeed a demonstration display as all the facts and the same indeed we got into a major crisis because it was today these pieces a major economic and moral crisis political crisis. these are not does a not a good time for brazil deputy president he's got his present for era thank you that's it for the show we'll be back of saturday with one of the most popular politicians in south america's richest country chile democratic revolution 5 w.-o. jackson will tell us about the ongoing fight back against the legacy of british back to take drugs to pinochet until then he does my social media it's got to going on the revenue to get out.

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