coming up in today's going underground a 1st going underground team a back from damascus arriving before israel's reported attack on the syrian capital but aside from a new does really have strikes in gaza the global south is turning their eyes to latin america not just a super power block of the 21st century brics meeting in brazil's capital the cia backed coup in south america's poorest country bolivia it comes as brazil's most popular politician luis enough here lula da silva has been released from prison igniting hope the recent victories against neoliberalism in venezuela argentina and mexico now potter in a sense in the latin american left joining me now from sao paulo is former president as cody defense counsel for let's take sara martin's one of the those responsible for taking his case to the u.n. and who has spent the past 4 years championing his case for that's good thanks for coming on the show what's the latest on your client lula. thank you it's an honor to be here in russia today so president lula actually was released from jail on friday he spent 580 days in an illegal imprisonment he should never been

incarcerated he was in a solitary confinement he was. taken to jail and forbidden from running in $2800.00 alexion which he would have won had he been able to to run as the united nations. gave an interim to interim measures demanding that brazil allow him to run and to give interviews while in the elections brazil did not comply with its international obligations. and the latest a supreme court decision only it restore and it's just a small step. forward and moving in towards the rule of law in brazil i know you took the case to the u.n. you must be a with the president. of britain and the united states said do not give ammunition to the scoundrel who is momentarily free but full of guilt what did you make of

your president saying well obviously he has not read the file he has not studied the cases because we have in all of the procedures over only proved and he's in a sense not only to get through that you accuse asian had no evidence to persecute president lula but that he was innocent and me bro proven his innocence however we were dealing with a presiding judge who had a biased nature and was simply overlooked all of the evidences all of the evidences of innocence that were provided for in the cases in all 3 cases handled by him we have filed a hey bruce corpus before the supreme court in november of last year when he surprisingly enough of it was nominated. to be the minister of justice of both so narrow which then. made it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was politically motivated while presiding that at the trial and

this habeas corpus. which should if granted a no all the procedures is to be heard by the supreme court so the fight is not over because because he was released but the fight will still go on the legal battle will go on until all of the injustices made against perpetrated against president lula are over over woold and he's free actually real free men with all of these political rights with his assets with his dignity. and his freedom. judge those you moreover as you say the justice minister denies all wrongdoing do you expect him to go to trial and what is the time scale here so this could be at the end of november beginning of december that lulu would be free and then more trial proceedings against the justice minister brazil oh reparation to president lula he was illegally detained for $580.00 days he's

a 74 year old man this is not something to be taken lightly just be just and the reason was to remove them from due to 2800 elections. this is something that brazil will have to and the legal community will have to understand that we have to meet and comply with our international obligations with human rights with our constitutional basic principles and with our legislation i know all of the documents all of the testimonies and i can affirm and reaffirm to you that there is no guilt there is nothing that would indicate a guilt. actually the only thing that we're not wrong in this entire political persecution what we call law fair is that that is innocent so they broke into his house they they searched and seized his house took him on their arrested him for 6

hours in an airport released illegally. video audios of private conversations between his wives his late wife and his church and her child. private conversations of the family and end the wars is the fact they surveil surveyor surveyed. and wiretapped our law firm just to get an upper hand strategic information on the defense on the moves and strategy of the defense they've. monitored. 25 lawyers more than 300 clients just so you have an upper hand on the defense strategy they listen to all the conversations between lula and his attorneys between the defense team and up to the point up to now nothing has been done. in this regard go so nobody has been held accountable this is

a major breach of basic defense right basic human rights so did the you personally because i don't know whether you think this is an echo of the famous case when the president dilma rousseff she turned the plane back from washington when she was under surveillance from the national security agency in washington do you see that both of our as using u.s. surveillance techniques against your device you're a law firm well i was not so nervous about a judge moral while presiding the investigation he authorized the monitoring wiretapping of our landline of one of our. farms partners cell phone as well as monitor all of lula's telephone calls with his attorneys with the different attorneys so they strategize then they monitor a good anticipate all of the moves all of this defense strategy so this is

a this by itself should be reason enough. to lead to a know all of the procedures against president lula president both of our o. is the 1st brazilian president ever to go to langley to cia headquarters there's nothing to suggest is there the judge morro got help from the cia when they were monitoring all of the well we are still both scenarios said last week that he would not be president if mara had not accomplished his mission. this is made. what we say in his behavior is corpus we are saying that both moral act acted politically morrow was acting as a political figure a political 0 ponens of low presiding. over the case without any jury you have to remember them brazil we don't have juries only in very. exceptional cases

death death related cases and a few others but the thing is this man who is politically motivated by is an all manners that you can imagine. he ordered lula to be arrested he convicted in spite of all of the evidences of innocence that were produced in the file. and then it becomes. an hour away and he removes a lot of the race and he becomes then minister of justice and what is being speculated now is that he wants a seat in the supreme court. now held by to mallow the oldest supreme court justices in the court. so it is it is it is it is so clear an avid and that his motivation while presiding the case of all

preside investigations were never fight to fight corruption they were political reasons imagine you have to fight with your legal team the power of the federal police the internal revenue service. the. prosecutor's office with a judge that was on their side as the carwash leaks have clearly now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was working with the accusation against lula and that they knew in the 1st game. that there was no evidence linking lula to the petro brass to the oil and gas state owned bit about scandal ago you didn't mention the cia so presumably you're not alleging. in washington but tell me would you have even got to this stage would be free without the release of the water signal and telegram audio recordings. well let me go back then in just

a minute we are absolutely certain and we have asked the courts to look into the d.o.j. . and all its. surveillance agencies informal cooperation with the. carwash task force we are absolutely certain n s has as the prosecutor has already announced that they were out there were responsible for the construction of the gays i guess president lula we want to track we want to have access to all of the evidence to make sure that this informal cooperation is brought to public and. is used by the defense because we have no doubt that they were working together with the operation to illegally any legitimate li persecute politically you mean the united states. the united states i mean the dean department of justice. alongside with with their police

powers indeed in various cases this is the key informally is what our constitution does not stand for our laws are very clear in terms of sovereignty that. they have the information has to go through proper sham channels in brazil and they have been working informally with the d.o.j. since perhaps the using of back in one snowden was monitoring. former president dilma. but there is what we want is to have access to all of the information to determine whether there was. some mates for there or intermission by the d.o.j. in our sovereignty and just finally in terms of what it means for the entire world the amazon rain forest is in brazil the world's largest or certainly the world's

most important natural resource arguably both so narrow as ugly cut it down to your club wanted to save the rain forest what is the bigger importance of the case of the silver well lou it will be this is what he told us yesterday and he will be running brazil speaking to every leader in the world to save democracy not only in brazil but to make sure that indigenous people's rights are respected that 70 respected that the lender's is respected this is what these messages will fight for the people of brazil and for every people in the world to make sure that their rights are upheld. that no more destruction is done in the name of private interest against public against the poor and against against the country but already planning to to go tour the country and and make sure that the

new plans to fight this destruction that is in our country and and in other countries as well overturned let's go take 0 evidence that you thank you after the break as countries representing a combined g.d.p. of $16.00 trillion dollars we did the bric summit in brazil we asked the country's former finance minister luis calio recip are rare if u.s. influence on brazil is crushing growth in the global south all this more coming up a budget of going underground.

with you or. you know world a big part of the law and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. welcome back as we heard in part one the leaders of the brics nations together

representing half of the world's population meet in brazil today for a summit hosted by brazilian president have also naro among subjects like increased security cooperation the future of the amazon rain forest the shadow of washington interference will argue be hang over the meeting after western backed coup attempts across latin america from bolivia to venezuela joining me now via skype from paris for more on this and the significance of the bric summit is brazil's former finance minister reza luis carlos press apparat thanks so much professor for governing on the show before we get to the brics summit is it your understanding there. washington was behind the coup in bolivia in the past few days i don't know formation that was close behind what's very clear is that there was a good at that even when i was also asked. now why not only because he was a nationalist and this is not present to the united states but also because he made

a big mistake in the last election. there was a problem when they suspended for some time to counting and that there are clearly some intervention to the barrington to him. just to be elected to 1st he didn't that he did not need that but this we continue very much and this mistake it ended a. government that was very successful i think that a country like we needed as a country very difficult to get there is a country. in this country. what alice. 5 percent. every year does that 14 years. and there was steady that in the last year seems began to make it difficult and now that it is this. tragedy called to believe in people because the coup in bolivia is making waves even in britain where under broadcasting restrictions here because of imminent election but the

conservative party the liberal democrats the labor party asian frame green party yes and pay their all or they all of us and in the united states as we can talk about donald trump says this is a victory for democracy that evo morales is gone while alexander cars are cortez the prominent u.s. senator presidential candidate bernie sanders they are expressing their does may that even more others as i leave the country you seem to be saying there is some fault there with evo morales you you echo the organization of american states view . that he was wrong in abusing his power look at i think that it was a good president he made a mistake in the election and there's. also a disposition of. make another election. but do position obviously we support external support made press and press and the

army for he was not able to control the army what alice and then you had to go up and this was. a very sad thing for them obviously the receiver was. it we don't have the will proceed now when will you go to the last 14 years this is in fact and they're not to my i don't disregard that with the press and because they believe the debate is read as far east as. sadness and i really was a disaster and what alice and was not a disaster at all ok i'm pretty sure president maduro would differ from that view of chavez that yes that alone where you just said about. our as tell us what you think of this summit break summit in brasilia what can we expect for the people that one really does in this matter the reindeer and financiers ok

but the bric summit they're supposed to be all 'd about threatening the neoliberal convince us what do you think that together these countries can threaten the i.m.f. world bank new liberal consensus which has forced privatization and the power of finance capital on these countries the i.m.f. the world bank your quarterback 1st snowman and the whole we are instruments of did nearly rule the relation into what cease. the eighty's what made. in my view is that now liberalism is in crisis is in crisis in the warped indie in the in the developed world in the ritual. i now understand that the election of the term united states and the brics it in britain and many cistercians of this the analyst is normal saying that what stepping is tracked is

a populist threat to liberal democracy i don't think so i think that what does this do these movements are happening as also italy broke or instance some of the loss and at that all know only liberalism all depend on to globalization project but we can think also globalisation as a project a project of the united states of the rich countries specifically don't make states . opening old the old the frontiers. and a meeting can tell is moving nearly broke up there is everywhere and this failed bailout because they suppose that with this they would think we. don't vintage it would be for the rich countries and it was not and eventually our china and more recently is also for india says this very clearly and the 1st to change i think

this time to changing our own weight. is an altered diet in himself. and the right is too much to make taste and a source of the mcgraths but anyway. these drawn by death divides the problem there i suppose one of the biggest issues on the planet is the climate catastrophe the impending climate catastrophe is it ironic that the biggest resource on the planet that rory thought is the amazon a lot of it of course in brazil and this is where the bric summit is being held do you think climate crisis and maybe. infrastructural investment in climate change technologies we part of the brics talks in brasilia to their well i hope something happens on this matter because the climate problems is a very bottom problem only now also now that to us again does it in the ideas

sensually so it. is difficult for me to understand how they are going to. do squares this giving this position maybe they realize that they must still sort of get together with the chinese the russians and the indians and they do something good because it's very important of course when he was president said the brics should be about replacing the dollar as a reserve currency is that off the table though why not take it so long for the brics countries to properly create a new currency no i think that does make no sense if the us said years ago i was wrong. the idea of. changing the currency is something that takes time when does america problems not a political problem the chinese that are more near these. a when they will

do festing this matter they can endangered they aren't rules because the rules of china may do or every country to have the control of dictionary and keep it competitive not all the bad but competitive make indeed with companies in the country to be competitive you need also to have an exchange rate that's competitive then the idea of an international moon a lesson to be slow slowly they just finally then what way of thought when you saw president lula former president lula being released from jail in brazil. very happy i think that he is majorly teachin he makes his mistakes for sure but he was a great good president and a very democratic president and then center to the left not extreme left at all most a matter history right. we've had in brazil for 1415 years elder

nation between a social democrat. centered to the left government of the ruler and the center to the right of the candles and that's all very well it was a good democratic system and then there are mistakes in that indeed a demonstration display as other effects and a pain in the we got into a major crisis because it was today brazil with a species a major economic and moral crisis political crisis. is or not does a not a good time for brazil deputy president of colors present pereira thank you that's it for the show will be back of that they were one of the most popular politicians in south america's richest country chile democratic revolution father borneo jackson will tell us about the ongoing fight back against the legacy of british back to take drug mr pinochet until then he would advise us readers it's got to going on the revenue to get out.

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