and there are a lot of people like me who are very visual people and they don't get conceptual art unless someone like you are an artist as their takes they do you feel like. that art should be more adapt to people so that we understand it's more easy to for us to understand more accessible i think you're right i would not say i like contemporary art. practice my art could be really to tradition really to clear old the concept and most of the combat per art. it's just rubbish you know it's not really designed before the people there i reckon they push people away and the leave. the art has nothing to do with ordinary people which is very sad situation yes also there's a problem with what i see as contemporary art because it's supposed to be the most

liberal of self expression places but then somehow there is a complete dictatorship of the within that specter off contemporary art. for instance you can say this is art and if you're an artist and you said this is art there we're supposed to be of that this is art and then where do you make. that the difference whether is real art or not how do you make that difference will be temporary for me in the judgment is how real it can be and not have it really motions really being out in the real world of a free it's a real struggle but the so-called liberals are very often is also dictatorship a liberal idea which is a very. no one has nothing to do with or through a struggle. i've spoken to many people during my career and there was a period when i was interviewing war reporters

a lot and i would ask them why are you doing this because they would keep going back and back to hot spots and making this scary but amazing photos and then come back home and go to a psychiatrist all the time and not able to have a normal life and they're like well because we feel like if we capture the review deal and we show the horror to the whole world this will change things and wars will stop and i mean i don't want to discourage them but wars don't stop they don't and same for like. the something that you are doing i mean it can be a protest against i don't know fires in amazon chinese system hong kong protest anything but does it like make you sad that it's not going to actually change the real course of events. my own for i feel sad because so you feel. there's not much being changed if you know what should be changed it's never really going to be changed or

a person same won't be changed in the short time but when you become part of the dog side best butter refuse to defend itself and not to become a part of something i don't believe you. some of these the protesting this stablish men dislike in your way and some would think that you know you would only criticize the chinese government but then you don't. make it is it for the white house or the for the european establishment did you ever think that. at some point you could separate the political aspects from your art or you don't see your art at all without the political aspect i don't see my arc or subhuman struggle on the wholly to go as practice very strong part of our human struggle so my art has not. just not just about the. art it's about humor it's about the freedom of speech to

be jews freedom so they would always take the struggle and you wonder doesn't matter europe or china so what you are saying fits perfectly the definition of the world word dissident do you consider yourself a descendant i was born. i think what i ask and so in your own words what's a dissident because for us people with the soviet background will automatically think about salt cellars and it's in with think about sato of and in the eighty's when there are statues were actually normalized they came back and they started criticizing their liberators you know because this is a perpetual motion they would say what is in your own words a dissident and the mission of a dissident i think of the. individuals judgment always relate to human rights and human conditions and. seem very different

political conditions and be alone be individual oh yes in what sense like alone a little fighter. alone won't fire in terms of intellectual judgment you know you know who you are not easy to just be yourself and you kind. of meant but really come out for your own experience. so basically always make it super uncomfortable for the system that is whatever it's this. it is that your existing right now and you know i think. if i can i want to make them uncomfortable. questioning the power or the system that will power if they're just to print you for the be. there for the people so i've been here for a week in berlin and what i found out that i was going to interview i told some of

my german friends i'm going to interview and way way and it's like what can a asking why he's being you know so snobbish about berlin because we love same when we welcomed him here we gave him this raising space to work and it was like this. safe haven for him and now he's saying germany is not tolerant enough so i'm going to move to u.k. so do you see how germans may think that you are great for all that doesn't matter when it comes to self-expression and art it doesn't matter nobody comes by me that's a problem if they'd give me a space that's totally wrong i wrote good germans very self-centered. they're not open for deeper discussions i don't like that kindness and i don't like to be decorative for german society of course the they have many good characters but that's not what i appreciate a pretty sure a real intelligent individual struggle so you're moving to united kingdom from what

i got there right while i'm and i'm moving to and you were a refugee over the road you know i can go to russia kind of go to india but i knew where i cannot go back to my nation. that's my problem so i knew where it was to me this is a say so german to me stunned the sending. me you know i'm not a user grassed. for sure you know making music for people so can i talk a little bit about the difference between. the western culture trends and the chinese because western culture the way i see it centers around individual and individual needs and then from what i understand of the chinese culture it's much more socially elevated. it's much more collective so when i hear you because you're saying you're a refugee of the world because they can't go back to china but mostly you live in

the western part of the world so when you protest in the existing establishment anywhere you go into west do you think. this is the chinese background coming into play because you're talking about things that matter not only to you but to other people. who feel. different understanding. try nice. in the old tradition not to come and assist they have this kind of. belief so that individuals some more relate to. you merriment you know could be nature could be larger understanding of the region right or wrong which is beyond the so-called individual and the government so in the west i think individuals become. the point it's not the individual that you see what happens in the west the so-called individual is opposing

is not really a strong democratic society and under the freedom of the individual. just on top of your had would you say there is such place on planet earth where is there is like a perfect democracy individual freedom self expression is there such a place on our planet yes there is such a place in the individual the more human rights or freedom of expression. in my heart so that's why i have to fight for my dream and i don't see that would i were going to become a reality while well protected in my heart so we agree that there is no such country or play no i don't stand. on earth which would be like this perfect democratic heaven no i don't think so i think all the so-called of the

bass come to have today just leave me the suffer of the place so you pretty sad pretty to not understand the the people become selfish and very narrow minded but we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to legendary i way way. your government and our government and all the other major governments of the world know what's going to them when it's going to. but they haven't told you and they

haven't told me they haven't and they'll. imagine something as big as the earth. is going to cause tidal waves earthquakes volcanoes are going to wrapped and it's going to chill. so we're in for a while right. my great grandfathers. nobody would care about the law or prison so you wallace those should have. a turtle between the. join me every thursday on the alex i'm unsure when i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. the tense situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in

venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been faced only implement from the inside venezuela things are different we're going to announce sanctions against petroleum to venezuela associate the. famous will have a son of the moment goes. down person that political battle to stay on the path to come up with a moment of focus the who story isn't new nixon called in henry kissinger to tell him that he would not be tolerated that in latin america an alternative economic and social system could take hold and therefore the policy would be to make the chilean economy scream so what's now making the economy of venezuela screed.

we're back with a way so i want to talk a little bit about you and you know what happened to you and what form to you as it's huge bigger in today's contemporary art. forceful in your own words what is the difference between the expectations of an artist in china and in the west because you were in china before you were persecutor you were also a huge figure. what is the society expect from an artist there and here society has artists to be part of the party's. machine of course you are not directly employed the party but you cannot see which party some like their hero how

did it that's why i got all candor trouble and that's all i'm being forced out for my own nation in the west under the name of freedom every individual is encouraged or to do their own was thinking but. it's not said relevant or meaningful or made people very spoiled. and the people. they live in conditions and the true state. of mind. i know you once at that had you not been harassed by the government. maybe you wouldn't be this famous to you you said that right yes that's true ok so do you feel like if you weren't persecuted back then by the chinese government you wouldn't be this huge figure in the art will just because of your art. is hard to measure. if you just measure heart it's far more. than

has much more meaning than what we generally seeing in the western society. but they just don't have the measurement to measure my heart you know i have to use the same kind of measurement they measure to try to enter the system. be more precise what is in your art that the west doesn't see because they don't have that i rinsed with it i see art as. desperately seeking the truth which is always the value which art has been caustic hart has being from chris. morrow about cold conditions and no i think the come to practice have lost because they are not to focus on those issues and the so they don't understand what. what do you think they see new art if

they don't see any of the what you've just said and see i think of what they see from art partially because i'm a person more use to. a sarky or or see my works in some i've been doing this or i'm comfortable situation. for general. practice in the west so you're saying they see this just cool guy who is not afraid to speak out and because the western ballet this sort of means that there must be a rebel hero there that's why they have been here just to have you paraded as the guy who rebels but really don't see beyond that you know i think the i think the and they used to put under used to admit to me they see me more like a rock star or some you know underpayment guy to blame them

i don't blame them you know people only seeing what they can see and i appreciate this suhasini. but if we flip it from the other side from the government side i always think about it and i don't have an answer why is it that. government that is criticized through art any government is so afraid of it i mean art does not organize protests or strikes or art doesn't help win or lose elections and yet every time any government does anything against art on the contrary it employs. the problem and actually plays in the hands of the artists or the art why is it that governments are so afraid and not able to sort of you know you know the japs you make by art i think you ask him very good question here. i think art cannot be harmed for it doesn't demonstrate some march but art provide

a way open to. provide questioning of the value judgement so as not to tube which shake shake shake in the foundation of the legitimacy of the governing and that's a very dangerous all of the kids on the all the powerful people and by the. and. the need for them. so try to be honest here when you got backlash by the cover i don't have to try to be honest here because sometimes i try to be honest but somehow i have so many layers that only one layer in me speaks because i thought so much about your life so you got backlash from the government. and you were under house arrest and potentially would go to prison and you didn't know how you would end up like you had no guarantee that you'll be

sitting here in berlin you mean to write did you at any point and it point out that i have only one life and this art that i doing is not worth it it's not worth this what i'm going through i would see. only by doing doing i recognize what's the value of them are you you know yes the obvious ultimate question of life either publish it and you know also we have to be so my. my you moment make me. want life. can i go a little further you know this i understand how you would say this now but is this the way what you were thinking back then when you're under house arrest having no guarantees you would get out. this question i was

deeply regret that i don't have someone or something come protect myself and that kind of company should. be in the very dark that's why. i'm always scared boys to the people in that kind of condition because it's a hopeless make you will regret about it what are you doing so here's another. emotional question because there's a general perception that big masters no matter with its visual arts or poets or writers or directors they usually cannot create as well outside of their country as they can on their soil and you started this interview by saying i want to go back to china because that's where i belong do you feel like your art would be even grander and different if you were able to do it on your own soil. i i feel in the same way i think for writers pressure writers

i think myself also us are writers you loose so much porn dot for me omar's you know it's like a tree and if you a big tree that's more dangerous if you have small tree of course you can move to a new words through kind so why so i have so much rooted. and what people say me my performance in the west may be less than 5 percent i can really achieve or even much less or if i have the earth's orbit the sun shy or the wind the computer much. better performance. i want to turn back to fighting the systems again because whether it's china america or europe it is still a system somewhere to craddick there is are more democratic but it's a system so for an artist who is living in this and not somewhere in

a jungle right. it's always a dilemma because you're part of you know this whole string of curators exhibitions galleries grants but then you have to criticize that that feeds you do you ever have that damn i don't i don't see they feed me i think i'm probably fizzy some kind of poisoning but. they don't feed me nobody feed me i feed off and also i don't care about the system i don't people. words i'm going to use but about. not do i would i ever have one more except not it's not my. so you have a 10 year old son and i have heard once again you said that he once said no more i will wait because he was like not into the whole political art do you ever think that you are getting carried away with your art and he want to say way way come on

no more i will wake you yourself a break is telling me. all the time but i do have some responsibility for the for you you know there's the people. ask me be your voice please be there please stay so but i have to make this kind of balance much so-called the private life i would have. contributed to the struggle you know the attorney question is comparing contemporary art and what you say protest art or social art with traditional art for instance. or renoir or by levy i mean we agree both that it's arts right of course revolutionary art but there are much more about self

thinking and self reflection rather than i don't know political statement in your art or protesting what do you think when it comes to arts today is more relevant and more poignant self digging or making a statement that is commenting on a certain event. if you. do you gain deep enough you have to make a political statement why because to be created by the system already through certain cultures under a certain establishment and. questioning those who said to them and establishment you cannot really create your own true self. so let's say i don't know they guys ballerinas that's not real art because it doesn't conflict an existing system i think it's not so relevant what impression no. art has

to it in general. to the past but there are one of the. not so relevant at their own poa one said that there is no greater value for the piece of art than art itself that a poem is actually written for nothing else other than the desire to write it. as a doll set that there is no art for the sake of art which side you're on the doll or edgar allen poe as into there is no art just a product i think art is already being used by an ideology. liberal or conservative pope's or us. and also there's always individual announcement. of the practice so.

it's just like a real world. where we thank you very much for this interview and in a pleasure talking to you i wish you all the best in the future endeavors thank you so much such a pleasure so. to my hardest to or dashboards to cambodia. dhanush i think is among. the design team of the bin. laden are we keep.

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