documentary filmmaker as well as coeditor of dot net an independent voice on latin american politics culture and media in washington we have what. she is an associate professor at the shar school of policy and government at george mason university and in santiago we crossed to francisco cohen he is a political analyst as well as a former u.n. officer in asia and africa or across the uk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it but i will let me go to you 1st in london i peruse the american media landscape about the events that happened in bolivia the coup i will use the word but they won't a.b.c. news morales resigned simply c.b.s. news because of weist widespread protests the new york times said because of an infuriated pop population fox news said people were angry over election fraud none has been shown to date and the miami herald well said that it was what was overthrown was a full blown dictatorship what's the media coverage in the u.k.

i bet it's similar. very much so i mean i think the british media and this this includes from the riots the so-called progressive left have been very much on the playing the fact that it's a coup that it's taken place in bolivia they talk of a power vacuum they talk of resignation but they don't really use the word coup and i think this is not surprising for anyone that's been looking at the media the british media's reporting on that's in america and especially on the left and lots of america very much echoes the u.s. media which again very much coves there seems to be a correlation between the degree to which a country is an official enemy of the u.s. and the degree to which they were saved hostile reporting from the u.s. and u.k. media what a low pay this is remarkably similar to what we saw in you goes in serbia yugoslavia what we saw in ukraine in 2014 and now we're seeing it in bolivia this

is this. color revolution playbook it's remarkably similar in each one of these cases here you have these fake n.g.o.s fake social. social groups that are supported by foreign money training and of course we have the military that all of latin america's military is trained in the united states so there's so many different avenues to go after a government and bolivia's was open to it i want to talk about maybe why i'm where i was didn't have more fire walls because they've been doing it to venezuela for a while now they've been able to push back he wasn't go ahead what to look. absolutely i mean that the democratic car the war or the or fights for them ocracy it's just like it's faking whether it's really happening. the mexican government or recognized of these. in this event i mean this event is a coup and there financially we could see how the elites prepare the to happen but

in reality this is i mean this was not this was not arrested nation from the press then when the military for us this is a president they mean retire i mean takes out its support if you know it doesn't leave any space and mexico was a very i mean the mexican president the mexican minister of foreign affairs was very straightforward this is a coup and that's why we are we are assigning political asylum to the believe in president ever more dallas definitely this is the result of so-called color revolution or a revolution for the most of that turning into a quit at that and there's no question about that and of course the media covering it correctly you know francisco you talk about some of the opposition leaders here i think if the truth were known about their ideology and their own worldview people would be and should be shocked but nobody's ever told about neo-fascist ideas and tie ins to these types of groups in the past i mean it's all out there if you want

to know but the media won't report it francisco talk about that. well the word but still very much used in american politics i mean i mean people are afraid i mean even the lefties believe you should use your troops you should. because you know to move to be very aggressive the phoenician of the political moment but basically what the u.s. she's doing for you over a very germany and primitive in that region is to apply to use. the really. strong. sure it's because if i should country coach i mean this is. an organ loss for the singers i mean. it's a very very. recent example and you believe the same thing i mean. was there. you know there was a kind of a. cover up short of say very few who main. what i was

trying to say or what country has made a very strong progress and eradicating racist but it wasn't the case i mean racism expression. is person in disco again when i was you know pablo it let's go back to london i mean if you look at the stats of the time that this was in power i mean any politician would be very gratified about that legacy dealing with probably dealing with the literacy it's really quite extraordinary some of the things that he did now my viewers know very well i am a conservative and i am not a supporter of socialism however i am a supporter of success and i'm a supporter of democracy and this is what people voted for and given given the logic that the last election was unfair then why don't you just let him finish his term ok and where is the evidence there was fraud there's none been presented to

the public that i'm aware of go ahead in london. i think the most robust exploration of the publicly available electoral figures by the c.e. the think tank in washington a show that's absolutely no evidence of fraud no i think what i just made a mistake inviting the amp to bolivia the oas has completely discredit any any type of little legitimacy it had on the loose i've become an open supporter of the far right and the regime change operations in that most notably in venezuela and really this is not about whether a government does well in terms of socio economic indicators macroeconomic indicators believe it did very well but it's not really about that it's about any government that tries to reassert at the greed of sovereignty over its economic policy over its political decision making that tries to incorporate previously marginalized sectors into the political process will come up against the u.s.

government's interest and its local allies this is happened remember francisco is in chile the birthplace of neo liberal capitalism where supposedly they came through by force and we talk about fascism the pinochet dictatorship the greed to which they've policies torture huge gross human rights violations this is the model which is hedge of money it was born in chile in 1973 it's what people in chile today are trying to change and have there's a mass uprising which is being brutally repressed of course the oas and the u.s. government don't have any qualms with going along with the right wing panetta government in bolivia they will they will come up with all manner of excuses to justify these atrocities that's taking place what a little bit can you just briefly tell our viewers what outside forces were involved in this illegal coup overthrowing a democratically elected government go ahead in d.c. . if this very interesting because i cood like that the one that

we cannot take place if you don't have supporters and they're finitely the organization of american states show. us what we're talking about. some involvement of the international community led by possibly the united states. and the recognition of the no self declared president of of bolivia receiving support and the recognition that that that that elections can take place without a levy and electing this person as a president and the problem is that. when you recognize when when the united states recognizes a government that was not elected and does not recognize. it you know it justifies the these this takeover of government so there finitely here there are players that are you know very well recognized that are supporting the of. of a country that has over 40 percent of the total or resort of supply and you know

what and natural resources that we need to take into account you know francisco can you talk about there i mean you know 1st of all i think it's ideological and i think problem really well any government that wants to be do maintain its sovereignty and be able to determine its destiny is always a target to be used tactics here but there is an economic angle to this here and the bolivian government was beginning to work closely with countries like china is this a tipping point where you say this is that when they make this move because this was being planned for a long time they're doing it with venezuela they're doing it with nicaragua. it is the timing of this a coincidence i don't know what i'm just asking you go ahead well. printer one. burner. cuba of course. america rebounder me. i mean the they are paranoid regarding the rebirth. in the region time.

there were birth of. or independence in that sense i mean i meet the american foreign policy i started against the policy towards the region or so for america i mean. and they feel that they have to take. in the truth. i mean europe. japan asia the u.s. atlantic and the pacific i mean in terms of the cold and gone to so. american foreign policy to control and now they've lost. in the last to the nigger the loss of the cuban that as well as the argentinos never sure that's going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the libya

state with r.t. . the west and the western mindset is in decline the us is in relative decline china is rising europe some people see it as rising other people see this as declining it's likely that the sort of western mindset and western culture will decline relative to eastern culture that's probably what's going to happen. i think anyone that says something will happen is pushing it a bit. join me every day. and i'll be speaking to the politics small business

i'm show business. i'll see that. time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability it's very important it's accelerate the transition to sustainable transport sustainability stadium and a more equitable and sustainable well. they claim that production is completely harmless. the be going to focus on the markets and not it does on the companies want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away this is something else this must be done to me even as i made my. own since i moved in unison we didn't i mean when i'm stumped seemed to be based on disconnect with who is going and.

i don't want to trade russia wants to trade trump want to trade the enemies or trade our conflict in a war as they love war this seems like the top opposition parties in america are the warm. welcome back to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing bolivia. ok let's go back to london with my question i will date myself unfortunately but i remember very well i was a young man very young i been and been politically active for a long time aware of politics but i remember the military dictatorships ok in south america and how the us would say give the people the voice bring democracy to the region it will bring prosperity eccentrics cetera well now we've had democracy for

for 2 generations and ah shucks people. vote the wrong way it's amazing the evolution of the of the democratic idea for the western hemisphere because when people vote the wrong way they get punished go ahead in london absolutely i mean with the famous quote by nixon i believe will kissinger that was when the chilean voted in again the in 1970 was which we won't let the irresponsibility of the chilean people get you know we won't let that get in the way of what we want so it's only now worse i think it kissinger also said that he would make the economy how all i think it was not a term you know scream scream he said and you know and these are kind of recipes that the u.s. government has for an acting regime change we've seen that with the sanctions in venezuela but just quickly going back to the issue of lithium i mean i think again to make an interesting comparison between chile the number one current world producer in lithium where the pineta government effectively hands over lithium

production to western multinationals with no value added in chile in bolivia the the that modellers government was attempting to create an industry where value was added within the country as we know it said the lithium is the fuel of the of the future essential for electric cars and it was a very complicated process because of partly because of the type of scenery there is in bolivia and western companies had been unable to accept that the moms that the more i was government had put on the on coming into partnerships with with the government and the government had turned to chinese companies and then also i think also this is a very interesting part of the of this story which is the degree to which this new cold war between china and the us how things are playing out in bolivia that might have affected the decision to sort of up the ante in terms of getting rid of my list by the u.s. government what a little bit you know we could use the venezuela example is that a not allowing the venezuelan government approves of its own exports i mean you

have the u.s. government. taking over venezuelan companies then they get the cash not for the government so it looks like this is also a tried and tested pattern not allowing these countries to profit from their own natural resources amazing go ahead. exactly and again this is this is this is enough for us to pair with the elites of a country there for your question who is behind this economic interests that are connected to foreign governments not what eilis was able to provide for its people to get the highest rates of growth in the hall continent and a great distribution of resources for for the people in bolivia and unfortunately now as in the case of venezuela venice what i call them via had a history where the elites were connected to the military and were connected to foreign powers so they can profit from the sun and resources they didn't get to the

to the people when leftwing governments were governments and were more connected to the people arrived that generated a lot of unrest from the elites but now the elites are able to i mean to pair with with foreign governments with foreign companies this is going to go back to what. they history a country like libya where their resources and go to the people you know francisco what happens next to the bolivian people i mean what i was was obviously a popular figure i mean even his detractors cannot deny that ok even if they want to call him a dictator he was the people supported him here what is going to happen to these people now because up until his leaving office for mexico there were there were his party there were officials in his party that were there the houses were being victims of arsonists we had members individuals that were tortured publicly i mean this is to some of the minute information i've gleaned from sources like the gray

zone which i encourage our viewers to look at. which we highlighted in this program before what's going to happen to the people who are going to be a retribution is there's going to be some kind of lustration i mean it was morales's government to me is going to be completely cleaned out go ahead and santiago. well i think it's more of a quick departure or spectacle is because people threaten to do we're going to be killed i particularly are fairly narrow and other going to be very hard i mean repression against come when it's in flood or. first war but it sure will grow. the country will get very fermented politically speaking on most couldn't return terms because there would be in the indians or the indigenous people you could marry the us people get married you know lives completely from the benefits i mean

it's going to be a rat's. against those measures so they're going to these months will socialist policies whatever socially is where functioning there in terms of distribution of resources so i think would be not chaos but the press which is your point the press the western press when. they believe in print well how did i think we have to do to go for programs at your school board press and to get it and to dig into these iceberg which is not the iceberg to the really good metaphor because believe you see it very hard country but if you're going to be a sick day or of faking you know of lies and they're going to be you know what i call 'd it jakarta against the leftists in bolivia definitely and this is marian policy particularly from those boxes which trying to recall the very quickly age of one in the region is that the basic point in the region

stop allowing certain states is fabulous in any regime against us a prima facie or a german. which is pretty bad because you know if you read stephen ward's your if john mayer sharman accident if you go to scientists i mean do. craig parr no american tennessee is making complimentary yeah well america i mean we're all in a while all these regime changes in machinations do cause population movements in the united states will have itself to blame for that is well ok the immigration issue is very complicated but the u.s. there is itself no favors by meddling with its southern neighbors problem let me go back to you in line we started out the program talking about me simply white washing the events in bolivia and you kind of react to what francisco i did say i mean if there is a dirty war committed against the bolivian people we're not going to hear much about it from the mainstream are we salute and i think the media need to the

western brain stream media have to have a long look at themselves in the mirror i mean they haven't learned the lessons of iraq when they essentially went along and if you skated the reasons for the growth you know human rights violations that followed the illegal occupation and invasion of iraq with a 1000000 with a 1000000 there if not more and they continue to systematically to store misrepresent these processes in latin america and then you know we saw it with the coup against dilma rousseff in brazil when there was a kind of reporting that made it very nebulous around corruption and that and then they often selves years down the line how did we get to a situation where we have a fascist in power so there seems to be they want to have it both ways where they they kind of play the game go along with it obfuscate misreport and then once you have a far right leader like trump in the u.s. also not oh in brazil they say oh how did we get to this position we don't know it

was terrible you know we the liberal censor. completely against this so i think the media have you know a very very. big role in the unfolding of events in how they report things and i think they need to take responsibility because what they're doing now is really contributing to. and human rights abuses you're overly optimistic my friend i mean considering their behavior with all these foreign wars i mean i could spend a lot of time you know syria comes to mind you're right shameful rule here what a loopy let's tell our viewers how they can find out what's really going on in bolivia i mentioned the gray zone which i encourage people to go to where else can they go to besides argy and cross talk of course but we're else can we go to learn about these important events i will tell you something and this is because this is this gives me hope and that has to do with my country with mexico because the government of mexico has recognized that there is a mean that there with

a coup in believe via and it's providing support to the government of i mean to the to the elected president of libya to have a more that is well he resigned but he is there and also mexico and the mexican media if they are you know they are covering what's happening so i see i think the thoughtful media overall i see mexican government the mexican official communiques but also the social media blogs people there are conscious of what's happening you know i i think twitter every day i check it very frequently and people are conscious so i'm hopeful many people are not happy with what is happening in body b. and they are expressing their different and not in the mainstream media but people are seeing that there's something that's not right happening in our hemisphere ok

francisco mexico is also well i mean the way they accepted morello's was a very honorable thing to do and they openly express what really happened which was actually very positive for me because so many other governments want to francisco i'm going to give you the last word in the program one minute goes to you in santiago won't just you hold. i mean we cannot work with a loop over all share of all the media i mean the western media liberal media has to challenge some people to need to know to go to the truth truth on the facts because they're contributing to this will be very confucian i mean western media by not revealing the reader would scoff and believe you it's going. to another you know wave of the they don't shoot. in the region which is the euro which is coming pretty close you know we should be but what they are what i would also maybe the lot now give myself the last word here is that what is being

diminished the most is the very idea of participation in democracy the indigenous people of bolivia for the 1st time under their ex-president former president now had that opportunity and that shouldn't be denied anyone no matter what your skin color is or your views you should fight for democracy that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests in london washington and in santiago and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember trust the worlds. to my the hardest you were dashed was to care but it. was in his own image to be.

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