cost of living we here in the u.s. are very very very good when it comes to bombing foreign lands and more people said jones it depends analyst at the center for strategic and international studies and former advisor to the special operations commander in afghanistan said the strategy behind this surge in bombing is that the taliban may be more likely to agree to a peace deal acceptable to the united states and the afghan government if the taliban believes they can win the war in afghanistan. right because up until now what we've only been lightly involved in the longest war in u.s. history we've just kind of bad of them around like a kiddie so that really jones went on to point out that despite the recent surge in bombing the taliban does not appear to be coerced and still believes it can win on the battlefield. so let's kick things off today with a look at the latest efforts by the u.s. government to keep on pouring money and missiles into the war but never read as we start watching the hawks.

it looks like. it's really. hard to see. what it's like you know that i got. with. the. world we're going to watching the hawks i am tyrrel them tour and joining me today today to discuss the latest record breaking numbers in afghanistan is former secretary former senior security policy analyst in the office of the secretary of defense the one and only mr michael maloof michael always a pleasure having you on thanks for having me so why are we seeing this dramatic uptick in marriage strikes in afghanistan over the last few years especially since donald trump took office 2017 why why are we putting now more bombs. more strikes

and breaking these records well in the midst of peace negotiations that are going on between the united states and taliban in qatar. off and on i might add i think each side is trying to establish leverage. strength and order what what will be how afghanistan will be divided them and how the afghan government if it survives will have its portion taliban will have its portion but taliban is just waiting this out they know they know we're not going to hang around forever and that and that trump has already announced we're moving out all they have to do is wait us out and they've already begun their own constitutional committee of what they want in a success in a succeeding government and it does not include the existing government that. they want to talk to them for the most part you know it's interesting because when i look at this strategy that they're kind of employing you know words like ok we're

drawing troops we're going to just bomb the living hell out of this country and does that actually work i mean has that ever worked in the theater of war where you just you bomb them to the negotiating table especially in afghanistan i just don't see the target and i don't see the military advantage there no no in in afghanistan in particular it's very very difficult because because it's mountainous it's rugged and flat land sure it's not it's not poland we're trying we're tanks would roll right across you don't have that in afghanistan it's a it's a different world there and we're seen insurgents hanging out there isis is just waiting this out. al qaeda is waiting us out and taliban are still linked up together and al-qaeda is actually stronger and isis is actually. going into provinces. surrounding. kabul and that borders the mountains and it borders

pakistan in the in the section where a lot of their. other militants are hanging out like this raises the question if we know that that kind of military strategy in this suppose of drawdown or bringing the peace table doesn't really work in afghanistan you know you and i are smart people we see that you laid it out perfectly why why would we pick that strategy at this point well i think it's desperation at this point what what else can they and what else can we do except bomb it's it's got to be primarily aerial y. and they're hitting where they think the strongholds might be and but when you do that a number of number things happen number one we don't have intelligence on the ground to do surgical strikes so you're bombing inadvertently a lot of civilians will never know the casualty rate on that although i'm sure it's going to be horrendous and it just builds in resenting it you know they will they

don't really want to work with us they don't want to talk to us and it's going to it's going to build a resentment for years to come and i'm afraid that this is going to be the norm and . what we're doing right now is not the way to to move move forward and that's the next thing i was curious about because look at u.n. investigation last may found that an air strike of multiple drug labs in those early run by the taliban killed wounded about 30 kilometer about 3910 civilians that was last may. airstrikes like this like you said when they're not surgical targets when they're not when you don't know if they're really a military target now we say on the show there's not really such a thing as a smart bomb no it's a bomb. that essentially doesn't that just grow the ranks of the supposedly enemy because i mean every civilian you kill there's a sister a brother a cousin so there's been like well i know these guys in my neighborhood didn't kill that person arrested sure and that's that's the reason and it can. last for

generations and i've seen it i've seen it in past wars and i have a friend who hates the turks for example even though and he's armenian to this day he will not go to turkey that's a lot long these kinds of resentments can fester and we're going to we're going to see that for years to come the question is how then does the united states gain any influence in that region if we really belonged there or even even at peace time how do we conduct ourselves and there is no plan it's all. there is no plan there's just no plan where do you feel that we went wrong i mean this is 18 years long where did we really go wrong or i mean i know it's a we don't have all day but what was there a moment that really jumps out to you where you're like you know what this was the turning point in this war where we truly went wrong you know was should we have even gone there in the 1st place the way we did well i think i think to go in and go after bin laden was probably legitimate and you had

a number of other countries belonging to nato who did in fact that was the only time article 5 of nato was ever invoked was was and has ever been invoked and yet what's happened now is that you have. what i think was the turning point was when we shifted attention away from afghanistan which is stablished the government we were setting up schools and everything else doing doing the the social thing that try to rebuild that country but then we switched. chairs all of a sudden and began to focus on iraq 2003 that was to me the beginning of the end and it was also the beginning of the end of a lot of other things in terms of our entire strategy in the middle east and we're now reaping the consequences and we're not and it's we're not going to see the end of it for quite some time and we see the turmoil that exists there today now and not only in afghanistan but and throughout the entire middle east it is truly. when

you look at the u.s. history and that decision that was made you know i think there was a lot of people even that at the time. even after 911 everyone's like we're going to get the bad guys and i think a lot of people were you know did question a full military assault on afghanistan when really hardened terrorists as that's investigative that's what i want to call it we had defeated the taliban yeah they were they were out yeah they were out it's because we it became the the forgotten war it was known as the forgotten war because a far from focused on iraq instead and what did that bring is it brought in greater influence today of iran into that region and now we're seeing the consequences and i know that russia is trying to look for ways to try and reestablish some normalcy in that in that region and it's very difficult they're trying to set up a persian gulf security and cooperation organization patterned after the o.s.c. in europe but you know if they're not getting any u.s. cooperation and afghanistan u.s.

refuses to even attend that meeting you know it's interesting because i want to ask where things stand with the peace talks i mean i know we just saw a prisoner exchange with the taliban they were least one american kevin king 63 and australia 20 weeks were teachers at the american university in kabul they were abducted back in 2016 then we exchanged thing for you guys back to ben is there any realist i mean you said they're waiting this out is there any realistic idea that we are going to find like some kind of peace deal between or are they just going to kind of wait out one of the provisions we give you know one of the u.s. conditions is that taliban talks to the existing government then they refuse and as i said they've already begun developing their own. government and waiting just waiting for the u.s. just to pull out and that's basically what's going to happen they'll just come on back and they occupy most of the more and more than half of the provinces now when in fact we had them all cleared out and we are in a spot. the areas but but we've also seen that the afghan security people are still

able to this day to hold their own and that was the purpose were were trained in the system and that's the problem with any time you fight i think a war overseas against an enemy that you know in their home country to a certain extent i mean a great example of the american movie right on you know when you're back in the 1980s the russians and the cubans invade us these kids lose people in the mountains once they escape up to the mountains in montana or wherever it was to me it's very similar it's like you're not going to those people know the terrain you're never going to. the border one of the only successful insurgency was the french in algeria that was the only one and why if you study that you understand we we goofed it up we we basically pulled out we became as i said the forgotten war and refocused attention elsewhere in iraq they didn't the french did not in algeria and as a consequence it's more stable today then than it was back then fascinating stuff great

and great thank you i'm with you as always michael thank you for coming on. while the hashtag resistance house democrats have been busy patting themselves on the back for the great president trump and pietschmann hearings of 2019 they they appear to have little a little thing like oh i don't know handing the president the dangerous surveillance tools of the patriot act slipped through the cracks you have leaders in the house and senate agreed to a deal to avoid a government shutdown on monday but the legislation they are pushing forward has sparked criticism from advocates for civil liberties who argue that both parties are failing their constituents are too great job lebanese have the details democrats or republicans have reportedly come together to move forward with a continuing resolution that funds the government until december 20th but there is one major provision hypnotise that both sides seem to agree on republican congressman thomas mouthy addressed the ad. on twitter writing quote today while

everyone is distracted by impeachment drama congress will extend warrantless data collection provisions of the patriot act by hiding this language on page $25.00 of the continuing resolution that temporarily funds the government he also said democrats are suspending a chamber role which requires the text of a bill to be released at least 72 hours before a vote is held in order for the resolution to be passed as quickly as possible now the patriot act was 1st passed one month after $911.00 and it was presented as legislation that would enhance national security by helping the government conduct surveillance of terrorist suspects in foreign countries however as the american civil liberties union has noted the patriot act also made it easier for the government to spy on ordinary americans by expanding the authority to monitor phone and e-mail communications collect bank and credit reporting records and track the activity of innocent americans on the internet now the inclusion of the patriot act extension is one that the overwhelming majority of the members in congress are not

talking about because they're focusing on the impeachment inquiry but independent congressman just in a marsh revealed that he actually tried to stop it this week he wrote on twitter quote i endured use an amendment to strip the patriot act extensions from the spending bill it has no business in there and just like g.o.p. leaders daimler zwolle of my amendment out of order neither party protect your rights even though securing rights is why government exists so it seems that even though republicans and democrats appear to be on opposite sides of the spectrum they are still in the same mind when it comes to controversial legislation that hat many have argued lacks crucial oversight and is blatantly unconstitutional for watching the hawks rachel glove and archie. gotta love the patriot act or as we go to break log watchers don't forget to let us know what you think of the topics we've covered on our social media be sure to check out watching the hawks a pod cast album spotify apple news. i know everywhere you listen to your favorite

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kissinger to tell him that it would not be tolerated in latin america an old turn of the economic and social system could take hold and therefore the policy would be to make. the chilean economy scream so wants to make the economy of venezuela scream. join me every thursday simon sure i'll be speaking to. small business i'm show business. today many feel that we are no longer living in the united but the divided states of america since the election of donald trump back in 2016 and every day since many

living in this country seem to be retreating deeper and deeper into their chosen political factions with cult like fervor we've seen both republican and democratic party members ostracizing in d. platforming anyone that may have had may have voiced a thought or idea that is not in lockstep with the approved agenda of party bosses and political thought leaders we've seen this cult mentality play out in our living rooms with family members and friends at our jobs with coworkers and superiors even in schools with classmates and teachers this factionalized a shit back channel izing of of the country has created a steady rise in culture of fear and group think across the nation and on our social media which is why we hear of watching the hawks felt it is important to look back this week and recognize the 41st anniversary of the jonestown massacre which occurred on nov 18th back in the 1978 over 900 people lost their lives through a mass murder and suicide at the would be utopia created by cult leader jim jones

in the south american country of guyana after he and almost a 1000 of his followers fled the united states the jonestown massacre is the end result of group think an unchecked devotion to a charismatic pied piper and it's dangerous joining me today is one of the few survivors of the people's temple and the jonestown saga san francisco police department veteran you a lot of the williams who managed to escape jonestown with her husband roughly a year before the tragedy occurred thank you for coming on the show today along the . thank you for having me i want to be 1st start out now ask you how did you 1st become involved with the people's temple and what led to you know pack up your things here in the u.s. and follow jim jones down to guyana. first of all my father was a baptist minister here in san francisco and he has sustained a serious heart condition which was limiting his ability to go back to work and one of his clergy friends had told him about jim jones and that he was

a prophet and he was able to heal people and so i was only 11 at the time and we started to. go to the people's temple location and where put valley california. and when did you know then at one point to join up down in guyana why god about move occur and how did how did you end up on that journey. well after being a member for almost 10 years everyone who was a member of people's temple had of course a desire for a better and brighter future a perfect utopia and so jim jones told us about that and that it was a beautiful country that was interracial and that it would be an opportunity for us to be able to live in a more comfortable suitable environment and it was for that reason that i

volunteered myself and members of my immediate family to go to jonestown and to become involved in the missionary project which was relayed to us and other members of people's temple when did you 1st start realizing that something was amiss after you got there and how did you end up leaving that area before the tragedy took place. well i must admit after we got to georgetown which is actually the capital of guyana. and i looked around at the airport and then walked out to a waiting vehicle for us i certainly realized that the place did not resemble anything that he had shown us the pictures and movies that he had presented to us so at that point i looked at my then husband and he looked at me

and we shook our heads in disbelief and concern for what we had in the gotten ourselves into and so it was at that very moment that i realized that we had to find some type of way to get back to the united states. and thankfully you were able to do that you know coming from that and being involved in not only. as people would call it a cult and then escaping that the tragic ending that happened to a lot of the people that were in that call with you when you look around today do you see a lot of like cult mentality in how people kind of react to things today you know i look at like you know a lot of the this weird devotion to 2 political parties in this country that kind of scares me when they put politicians or or even celebrities in this kind of

mythical status you know have our political parties here in the u.s. become too cult like and their demand for money and devotion from their followers and not an idea of exchanging ideas and only one idea is the only way to go. i'm gravely concerned at the current status of our country and definitely because of the political parties but at the same time also the organized church the requirements that are made up i look at i look at domestic violence situations and all of them have so many things in common with each other because each one is required to lose yourself to follow a certain point didn't leader and then that leader becomes extremely sinister narcissistic and a tyrant requiring you to do things that under normal circumstances you would even consider and. that's what truly is frightening about what's happening today and i

think i think your story is important for people to hear and understand. so they get a better perspective of the world around them so they're not led astray by the groups they belong to or the or the people and the people they follow and listen to i think is a great point you made about modern religion. what advice do you have for folks who are looking to get themselves or a family member out of a cold or a dangerous group or that group think mentality like what what out how can how can people best get out of these situations. well 1st of all they have to recognize that the member of any of these types of organizations has been extremely brainwashed and 9 times out of 10 they've been isolated for periods of time from their family so the best thing that families and friends can do to support a person who might be considering wanting to get out of this type of organized

group is to be there be a comforting listening ear knowing that there is going it's going to be a difficult battle it's a difficult in a battle with someone who has been involved in a cult survivorship and survivors have what i call survivor's remorse and survivorship guilt and it takes anywhere from 51015 years to really be able to process what you have been through and then to be able to move forward. and it's sometimes very difficult for an ex cult member to certainly realize that they can make decisions on their own and to realize that they do have some value and meaning because

oftentimes you have lost your own personal identity based on the requirements of the cults and these organized groups you know i really applaud you for you know how you put your life back together since since that since your time in the people's temple and in the things that you've done in your life i we have a little bit of time left what what do you what advice do you give to other people who are individuals who have gotten out of that and what's the best road for them to follow in terms of once they're out of that mentality like you're just talking about. one out of it the best advice i can give you is to have faith have faith in yourself have faith in your ability to find that inner strength because everyone deserves an opportunity to live in a constable environment one that is safe and no one should have the right

to be able to punish you and especially to inflict corporal punishment on you i'm also a survivor of many domestic violence relationships and i realize again that was me trying to punish myself because i felt the tragic loss of the 900 people that i once knew and i considered my extended family but family is very very important if most and it's important that you show love that is great and i thank you for saying that my thank you for the hard work you've done and the work you've done to help victims of these things i think it's truly an honor to have you on the show thank you so much a lot of williams for coming on and talking to us about your experiences. thank you . all right everybody that is our show for you today remember everyone in this world the real up and up so i tell you all i love. i roll with her keep watch off of a great day and night of. temperance

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a young girl in the streets. what happens to her family and daughters in florida you know the mother daughter is buried in a cemetery it really messes with your head what happens to the community the public was screaming for a scapegoat the police needed a scapegoat so why not choose a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to pen this than him and what happens in court. be. shocked shocked as far society we feel. we don't know still just brutal. end of this trial unfortunately you. will still love no chill just.

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